Thanks to all who responded with ideas. The problem in both (strange that they would both go) is the K4 relay. Open coils on Both of them!! Anyhow, anyone have a K4 relay? I had one but need another. Anyhow, problem solved..... Cory/N2AQS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html