[Central-Electronics] CE Relay Coils
NICKTUSA at aol.com
NICKTUSA at aol.com
Mon Mar 29 18:52:14 EDT 2010
Fellows,
I guess this is the season for relay coils going SK in Central Electronics
transmitters. I have shipped a surprising number of these over the last
couple of weeks. I have another lot ordered for production and will have
fresh stock in three weeks or sooner. That being said, I have relay coils on
hand to fill perhaps eight more orders. So, if your set is not dead but
you just want to keep a spare coil handy, please hold off ordering until the
new shipment arrives. This way coils can be sent to those sidelined by a
true failure.
73 Nick K5EF
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul <w2ec at bmjsports.com>
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V voltages
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Comparing the 100V schematic to the 200V, the power transformer was
clearly changed to get rid of the filament windings for the rectifiers and the
secondary high/low voltage windings changed. Both the 100V and 200V show low
voltage to be +340 volts, so you probably want to keep your 100V at that
low voltage value. The high voltage goes from +600v for the 100V to +680V for
the 200V. Haven't fired my "new" 200V up yet so can't tell you how close
those values come to what my rig does.
?
73, Paul W2EC
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:49:28 EDT
From: NICKTUSA at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] Central-Electronics Digest, Vol 70,
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Well, first off I don't have quite 50 years experience with CE rigs, as
then I would have started when I was a mere lad of six! I have known Wes
Schum since my college days. We became friends and soon after my
mentor....and who could have a better mentor than he?
The 200V was designed with solid state rectifiers so the transformer was a
minor redesign ...fewer secondary turns on the B+ winding and elimination
of the two rectifier filament windings. The rigs were tested at 117vac
and
the voltage allowed to vary between +/- 10%. Wes, always the realist,
did
not build anything to design centers and hope it would work under field
conditions. When I was helping him with the Schum Electronics high
voltage
breakdown equipment line, each product had to pass the +/- 10% upper and
lower line voltage limits and no component "abused" along the way. That
said,
it obviously doesn't hurt to adjust one's line voltage to meet equipment
design centers. If your line voltage is well above 120vac, call the
utility
company and make them do a tap change on your outdoor pole/pedestal
transformer (sometimes this requires installation of a different
transformer). I
had my utility do this for me and it was no big deal. Just ask nicely!
Back to the CE 100V and elevated temperatures. The 100/200V power
transformers were designed for continuous service, not intermittent use as
many
amateur equipment manufacturers did after ssb took hold. Of the fifty six
transformers left after CE stopped 100/200V production, only four of that
replacement stock have been used as replacements...they rest lived a life
of
leisure in Wes' garage...now they are doing the same here in Covington.
Lightning seems to be their killer, not heat. Even the filter caps
having
been baked by tube rectifiers for fifty+ years have stood the test of
time.
They have become a problem just within the past seven or so years. Just
replace them with the specials I had manufactured and these sets will
live
another 40+ years if cared for.
Actually, the slow warm up characteristic of the rectifier tubes is much
better for the capacitors as this essentially current-limits the charging
surge. When I was full bore into the CE restoration biz prior to August
2005, most of the capacitor changes I did were on 200Vs as the instant-on
brought a potential sudden and instant death for those old caps. That's
why I
had the new caps made.
By the way, my old CE technician...Merlin...is returning on Monday and we
will be able to restart restoration services again.
Please visit the Tusa Consulting web site (_www.tusaconsulting.com_
(http://www.tusaconsulting.com) ) as Bob Sullivan, W0YVA, has been adding
newly-found Central Electronics info on the site. I have acquired a
huge stack of
CE documents from Wes and these are just incredibly interesting. I will
be
posting the significant ones on my web site as they give a wonderful
glimpse into the inner workings of a historically important radio
manufacturing
company of the time. To those interested in the design of high
performance
AF phasing networks, and the phasing method of ssb generation/detection
itself, you will find some interesting info and a few surprises on the
site
very soon...perhaps by this weekend if Bob hasn't found too many great
deals
at the hamfest he planned to attend today..
Please let Bob know about interest in the replacement meters and KC dials
as he is collecting a list to see if there is sufficient interest to make
their production economically viable. The originals are looking pretty
scruffy from the effects of heat and the unstable plastics of the 1930-40s
that
were still widely used, post war. I've found a quality source for these
parts, but between Bob and me we might need only six or so for our own
collections....not quite enough of a known interest to consider sticking
our
necks out for several hundred pieces of each type part!
73 Nick K5EF
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2. Re: 100V vs 200V voltages (KEN)
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:17:59 -0700
From: k6jek <k6jek at comcast.net>
Subject: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V voltages
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Anyone out there with experience with both the 100V and 200V?
My 100V has solid state plug-ins for both high voltage supplies. These
make the voltages a good notch higher than the voltages in the book even
with
the AC mains voltage down at 115 V.
I'd like to stay with the plug-ins because the transmitter is hot enough
with out two more rectifier filaments burning. I'm considering doing
something to take the voltage down a bit at least for the low B+. But is
it
actually a problem?
I believe the 200V went to solid state rectifiers didn't it? Did CE
change the power transformer or live with higher voltages?
Any information would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Jon
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:55:05 -0500
From: "KEN" <n5cm at rtconline.com>
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V voltages
To: "k6jek" <k6jek at comcast.net>, <central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Jon,
Contact Nick Tusa, the expert on Central Electronics equipments and had
been
over a half century to my knowledge.
He restored my 100V and I bought a 200V from him that he had restored.
I don't have his Email address handy but I'm posting this also on the
list
so maybe someone can supply you with his Email address.
Good luck!
Ken N5CM
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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:17 PM
Subject: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V voltages
> Anyone out there with experience with both the 100V and 200V?
>
> My 100V has solid state plug-ins for both high voltage supplies. These
> make the voltages a good notch higher than the voltages in the book
even
> with the AC mains voltage down at 115 V.
>
> I'd like to stay with the plug-ins because the transmitter is hot
enough
> with out two more rectifier filaments burning. I'm considering doing
> something to take the voltage down a bit at least for the low B+. But
is
> it actually a problem?
>
> I believe the 200V went to solid state rectifiers didn't it? Did CE
> change the power transformer or live with higher voltages?
>
> Any information would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:50:59 -0500
From: "Ted Saba" <tgsaba at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V voltages
To: "KEN" <n5cm at rtconline.com>, "k6jek" <k6jek at comcast.net>,
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You can email Nick @ nicktusa at aol.com
73,
Ted
KN5O
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From: "KEN" <n5cm at rtconline.com>
To: "k6jek" <k6jek at comcast.net>; <central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V voltages
> Hi Jon,
>
> Contact Nick Tusa, the expert on Central Electronics equipments and had
> been
> over a half century to my knowledge.
> He restored my 100V and I bought a 200V from him that he had restored.
> I don't have his Email address handy but I'm posting this also on the
list
> so maybe someone can supply you with his Email address.
> Good luck!
>
> Ken N5CM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "k6jek" <k6jek at comcast.net>
> To: <central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:17 PM
> Subject: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V voltages
>
>
>> Anyone out there with experience with both the 100V and 200V?
>>
>> My 100V has solid state plug-ins for both high voltage supplies.
These
>> make the voltages a good notch higher than the voltages in the book
even
>> with the AC mains voltage down at 115 V.
>>
>> I'd like to stay with the plug-ins because the transmitter is hot
enough
>> with out two more rectifier filaments burning. I'm considering doing
>> something to take the voltage down a bit at least for the low B+. But
is
>> it actually a problem?
>>
>> I believe the 200V went to solid state rectifiers didn't it? Did CE
>> change the power transformer or live with higher voltages?
>>
>> Any information would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jon
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:26:41 -0500
From: "KEN" <n5cm at rtconline.com>
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] Central-Electronics Digest, Vol 70,
Issue 8
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Hi Nick & Central-Electronics Gang,
Well Nick, this old hunk of humanity "Ain't what it used to be!" obviously!
My pardon my friend.
I'm looking forward to further articles concerning Central Electronics
history, etc.
I regret the Central Electronics companion receiver was not mass produced
for us.
My 100V & 600L are presently awaiting me getting my HQ-129-X back up and
running. Take care,
Ken N5CM
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> Well, first off I don't have quite 50 years experience with CE rigs, as
> then I would have started when I was a mere lad of six! I have known Wes
> Schum since my college days. We became friends and soon after my
> mentor....and who could have a better mentor than he?
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