[Central-Electronics] Central-Electronics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 8

NICKTUSA at aol.com NICKTUSA at aol.com
Sat Mar 27 14:49:28 EDT 2010


Well, first off I don't have quite 50 years experience with CE rigs, as  
then I would have started when I was a mere lad of six!  I have known Wes  
Schum since my college days.  We became friends and soon after my  
mentor....and who could have a better mentor than he?
 
The 200V was designed with solid state rectifiers so the transformer was a  
minor redesign ...fewer secondary turns on the B+ winding and elimination  
of the two rectifier filament windings.  The rigs were tested at 117vac and  
the voltage allowed to vary between +/- 10%.  Wes, always the  realist, did 
not build anything to design centers and hope it would  work under field 
conditions.  When I was helping him with  the Schum Electronics high voltage 
breakdown equipment line, each product  had to pass the +/- 10% upper and 
lower line voltage limits and no  component "abused" along the way.  That said, 
it obviously doesn't hurt to  adjust one's line voltage to meet equipment 
design centers.  If  your line voltage is well above 120vac, call the utility 
company and make them  do a tap change on your outdoor pole/pedestal 
transformer (sometimes this  requires installation of a different transformer).  I 
had my utility do  this for me and it was no big deal.  Just ask nicely!
 
Back to the CE 100V and elevated temperatures.  The 100/200V power  
transformers were designed for continuous service, not intermittent use as many  
amateur equipment manufacturers did after ssb took hold. Of the fifty six  
transformers left after CE stopped 100/200V production, only four of that  
replacement stock have been used as replacements...they rest lived a life of  
leisure in Wes'  garage...now they are doing the same here in  Covington.  
Lightning seems to be their killer, not heat.  Even the  filter caps having 
been baked by tube rectifiers for fifty+ years have stood the  test of time.  
They have become a problem just within the past seven or so  years.  Just 
replace them with the specials I had manufactured and these  sets will live 
another 40+ years if cared for.
 
Actually, the slow warm up characteristic of the rectifier tubes is much  
better for the capacitors as this essentially current-limits the charging  
surge.  When I was full bore into the CE restoration biz prior to August  
2005, most of the capacitor changes I did were on 200Vs as the instant-on  
brought a potential sudden and instant death for those old caps.   That's why I 
had the new caps made.  
 
By the way, my old CE technician...Merlin...is returning on Monday and we  
will be able to restart restoration services again.
 
Please visit the Tusa Consulting web site (_www.tusaconsulting.com_ 
(http://www.tusaconsulting.com) ) as Bob  Sullivan, W0YVA, has been adding 
newly-found Central Electronics info on  the site.   I have acquired a huge stack of 
CE documents from Wes and  these are just incredibly interesting. I will be 
posting the significant  ones on my web site as they give a wonderful 
glimpse into the inner  workings of a historically important radio manufacturing 
company of the  time.  To those interested in the design of high performance 
AF  phasing networks, and the phasing method of ssb generation/detection 
itself, you  will find some interesting info and a few surprises on the site 
very  soon...perhaps by this weekend if Bob hasn't found too many great deals 
at the  hamfest he planned to attend today..
 
Please let Bob know about interest in the replacement meters and KC dials  
as he is collecting a list to see if there is sufficient interest to make  
their production economically viable.  The originals are looking pretty  
scruffy from the effects of heat and the unstable plastics of the 1930-40s that  
were still widely used, post war. I've found a quality source for these  
parts, but between Bob and me we might need only six or so for our own  
collections....not quite enough of a known interest to consider  sticking our 
necks out for several hundred pieces of each type part!
 
73  Nick  K5EF
 
 
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Today's Topics:

1. 100V vs 200V voltages (k6jek)
2. Re: 100V vs 200V voltages  (KEN)
3. Re: 100V vs 200V voltages (Ted  Saba)


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Message:  1
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:17:59 -0700
From: k6jek  <k6jek at comcast.net>
Subject: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V  voltages
To: central-electronics at mailman.qth.net
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Anyone out there with experience with both  the 100V and 200V?

My 100V has solid state plug-ins for both high  voltage supplies.  These 
make the voltages a good notch higher than the  voltages in the book even with 
the AC mains voltage down at 115 V.   

I'd like to stay with the plug-ins because the transmitter is hot  enough 
with out two more rectifier filaments burning.  I'm considering  doing 
something to take the voltage down a bit at least for the low B+. But is  it 
actually a problem?

I believe the 200V went to solid state  rectifiers didn't it?  Did CE 
change the power transformer or live with  higher voltages?

Any information would be much  appreciated.

Thanks,

Jon

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Message:  2
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:55:05 -0500
From: "KEN"  <n5cm at rtconline.com>
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V  voltages
To: "k6jek" <k6jek at comcast.net>,     <central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Jon,

Contact Nick Tusa, the expert on  Central Electronics equipments and had 
been 
over a half century to my  knowledge.
He restored my 100V and I bought a 200V from him that he had  restored.
I don't have his Email address handy but I'm posting this also on  the list 
so maybe someone can supply you with his Email address.
Good  luck!

Ken   N5CM

----- Original Message -----  
From: "k6jek" <k6jek at comcast.net>
To:  <central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010  1:17 PM
Subject: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V  voltages


> Anyone out there with experience with both the 100V  and 200V?
>
> My 100V has solid state plug-ins for both high  voltage supplies.  These 
> make the voltages a good notch higher  than the voltages in the book even 
> with the AC mains voltage down at  115 V.
>
> I'd like to stay with the plug-ins because the  transmitter is hot enough 
> with out two more rectifier filaments  burning.  I'm considering doing 
> something to take the voltage  down a bit at least for the low B+. But is 
> it actually a  problem?
>
> I believe the 200V went to solid state rectifiers  didn't it?  Did CE 
> change the power transformer or live with  higher voltages?
>
> Any information would be much  appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
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Message: 3
Date: Sat,  27 Mar 2010 07:50:59 -0500
From: "Ted Saba"  <tgsaba at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs  200V voltages
To: "KEN" <n5cm at rtconline.com>, "k6jek"  <k6jek at comcast.net>,
<central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
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You can email Nick @  nicktusa at aol.com

73,
Ted
KN5O

----- Original Message -----  
From: "KEN" <n5cm at rtconline.com>
To: "k6jek"  <k6jek at comcast.net>;  <central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010  4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V  voltages


> Hi Jon,
>
> Contact Nick Tusa, the expert  on Central Electronics equipments and had 
> been
> over a half  century to my knowledge.
> He restored my 100V and I bought a 200V from  him that he had restored.
> I don't have his Email address handy but I'm  posting this also on the 
list
> so maybe someone can supply you with his  Email address.
> Good luck!
>
> Ken    N5CM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "k6jek"  <k6jek at comcast.net>
> To:  <central-electronics at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 26,  2010 1:17 PM
> Subject: [Central-Electronics] 100V vs 200V  voltages
>
>
>> Anyone out there with experience with  both the 100V and 200V?
>>
>> My 100V has solid state  plug-ins for both high voltage supplies.  These
>> make the  voltages a good notch higher than the voltages in the book even
>>  with the AC mains voltage down at 115 V.
>>
>> I'd like to  stay with the plug-ins because the transmitter is hot enough
>> with  out two more rectifier filaments burning.  I'm considering  doing
>> something to take the voltage down a bit at least for the  low B+. But is
>> it actually a problem?
>>
>> I  believe the 200V went to solid state rectifiers didn't it?  Did  CE
>> change the power transformer or live with higher  voltages?
>>
>> Any information would be much  appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>  Jon
>>  ______________________________________________________________
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