[CALV-AUXCOMM] Fwd: [winlink_for_emcomm] WINMOR is Deprecated.

k3uga k3uga at comcast.net
Sat Jul 11 14:18:26 EDT 2020 

Steve, Very good explaination thank you. My question wasn’t exactly clear and Im sorry for that. I was not referring to VARA system at this time. I understand that VERA is sound card based for HF and VHF, Was not thinking that ARDOP was a similar program, sound card based; not TNC based. I thought ARDOP WINLINK was a protocol similar to Packet Winlink as far as hardware nand expecting to see the Kenwood D710 in the setup as for the Packet Winlink, But it is more like the VARA Winlink protocol using the sound card. So for the Time being I suppose for awhile Packet Winlink will still be in use; maybe pushing 9600 baud in favor of the mostly used 1200 baud (limit on older TNC’s), and that the Gateways will remain; although transition to 9600 soon. I had used a sound card with VHF FM several years ago but it required a third party program in conjunction to RMS express and was buggy.  Signal Link usb will have limits in these new protocols.
Thanks for you time, this was kind of a shock to see this email this morning, and as I have seen VARA in the drop down menu I never noticed ARDOP before.
73,
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Best Regards, 
James Preston Tetlow
K3UGA, 73.

From: Steven Keller
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 13:05
To: Calvert County, MD AUXCOMM
Subject: Re: [CALV-AUXCOMM] Fwd: [winlink_for_emcomm] WINMOR is Deprecated.

Not sure I exactly understand your question...but the D710 is VHF./UHF. It
has a built-in AX25 TNC for both 1200 and 9600 packet (a nice TNC
actually). So you can use the D710 'regular' packet like you normally have
or you can run VARA FM very easily and actually runs VFM very reliably. VFM
is an audio card mode and requires the use of an external audio card
(Signalink, Master Communications DRA series card, etc.) to work. The audio
card is plugged into the *rear of the rig *into the 6PIN DIN port. A very
simple process. The Signalink will only do narrow band (up to about 12k due
to it's internal transformers but is still leaps and bounds faster than
1200 packet) but other audio cards can allow the D710 to pump data out at
25k. I routinely get 22-25k transfers wideband with a DRA card.

As far as the D710 nothing will change. You can run regular P2P, WInlink,
etc. sessions with it's built in TNC at either 1200 or 9600 via Express as
you always have. The FT-897 nothing will change there either. Simply start
a ARDOP session and ensure it see's the Signalink you have installed; in
and out USB audio card. Minor change but very simple. You can also run Vara
FM with the FT-897 with the Signalink as well. I did with mine and my
FT857D. My FT857D is mounted in my Go Box with a D710G. Both have
Signalinks and run very well.

Basically, the Winmor protocol will not be included one day in an Update of
Winlink Express. Just simply configure ARDOP (if you are talking no cost)
to use your Signalink and you are good to go with ARDOP.

I hope this helps.

73
Steven Keller
KC3DSO
Prince George's County, MD ARES
Assistant Emergency Coordinator - Operations
MDC Assistant Section Emergency Coordinator
www.pgares.org
https://www.facebook.com/pgaresraces/


On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 12:41 PM k3uga <k3uga at comcast.net> wrote:

> Steve Thanks, I understand the HF concept kinda staying the same with
> ARDOP. I use the Yeasu FT 897 and w/ signal link sound card set up is
> recognized, My problem  is this is sound card based, what will be the
> protocall for Kenwood TM D710 with internat TNC? Still winlink packet ?P2P?
> Does this mean a VHF radio will not be used in future, as it is going to
> all sound card base?
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Steven Keller
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 10:44
> To: Calvert County, MD AUXCOMM
> Subject: Re: [CALV-AUXCOMM] Fwd: [winlink_for_emcomm] WINMOR is Deprecated.
>
> WInmor is a HF protocol for Gateway and P2P. So no effect on VHF. ARDOP
> works good on HF...a good free substitute for Winmor. ARDOP uses the game
> gear you have been using for Winmor. Just a change in the Session Type and
> easy setup like you did with Winmor. Some folks will probably move to VARA
> HF to replace Winmor but it's $$ but considerably faster.
>
> 73
> Steven Keller
> KC3DSO
> Prince George's County, MD ARES
> Assistant Emergency Coordinator - Operations
> MDC Assistant Section Emergency Coordinator
> www.pgares.org
> https://www.facebook.com/pgaresraces/
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:31 AM k3uga <k3uga at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Interesting, as this addresses WINMOR for HF; But what of WINLINK for
> VHF?
> > Or is the whole shebang going to Pay  for Licence/use  Programs? How does
> > ARDOP work on HF? And Does it work VHF? How are we going to be exposed to
> > it, will it mean new and more equipment to run it? How will this effect
> the
> > EOC vhf equipment? Will this mean that we really need HF radio at EOC so
> we
> > don’t have to tier messages to an HF capable station from EOC?
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > Best Regards,
> > James Preston Tetlow
> > K3UGA, 73.
> >
> > From: Shawn Donley
> > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 10:50
> > To: ARES Reflector
> > Subject: [CALV-AUXCOMM] Fwd: [winlink_for_emcomm] WINMOR is Deprecated.
> >
> >
> > >     ---------- Original Message ----------
> > >     From: Jim Montgomery <wb3kas at aol.com>
> > >     Date: 07/10/2020 9:57 PM
> > >     Subject: Fwd: [winlink_for_emcomm] WINMOR is Deprecated.
> > >
> > >
> > >     It is official; Winmor is no more! The powers that be have moved on
> > to ARDOP. Click on the link for more information.
> > >
> > >     Take due notice. . .
> > >
> > >     tnx es 73, de
> > >     Jim
> > >     WB3KAS
> > >     PRGE ARES EC
> > >     MDC SEC
> > >
> > >     wb3kas at arrl.net mailto:wb3kas at arrl.net
> > >
> > >
> > >     -----Original Message-----
> > >     From: xe2-n6kzb Member WDT/Moderator <n6kzb at outlook.com>
> > >     To: Winlink_For_EmComm <winlink_for_emcomm at googlegroups.com>
> > >     Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2020 2:26 pm
> > >     Subject: [winlink_for_emcomm] WINMOR is Deprecated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     WINMOR is Deprecated.
> > >
> > >
> > >     Read here:   https://winlink.org/content/ winmor_deprecated
> > https://winlink.org/content/winmor_deprecated
> > >
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