[Boatanchors] Disc caps vs paper caps

james.liles at comcast.net james.liles at comcast.net
Thu Sep 27 18:59:05 EDT 2012


Hi John, Ian:

I believe there is a possibility that chirp may have been caused by using a 
high K Ceramic cap either in the key click circuit or in the tuned loop. 
Using a high K Ceramic cap in a resonant circuit is a bad idea because the 
capacity varies with voltage --- deadly if you key the oscillator.

I believe the National NCX-5 had key clicks because they used a class 3 
ceramic cap in the key click circuit --- may be wrong --- never owned 
one --- someone know?

Kindest regards Jim K9AXN


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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Disc caps vs paper caps
To: "Ian Wilson" <ianmwilson73 at gmail.com>
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Prove it.

-John

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> I have noticed enormous amounts of drift in Colpitts-type crystal
> oscillators using some
> types of ceramic capacitors in the loop. This resulted in significant
> chirp
> on each key down.
>
> I don't know whether this is due to some form of self-heating, but the
> capacitance changes
> were so large that I can readily imagine that if you scaled the values up,
> and used these
> capacitors in an audio coupling network, that you should be able to detect
> the nonlinear
> change of time constant with input readily enough using both normal ears
> or
> some sort
> of audio spectrum analyzer.
>
> 73, ian K3IMW


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