[Boatanchors] Boatanchors Digest, Vol 82, Issue 36/ Wikipedia entry on Command Sets

[Henry Mei'l's]

Re: Wikipedia entry on Command Sets:

I would also be obliged if any errors present were pointed out
and corrected. I've found the entry it to be a very concise and
seemingly comprehensive, detailled overview,
but I'm not an expert on the subject

Henry, OZ1UF / N2NR

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>   1. Re: 416B threads ... was RE:  SI units and the rest (Carl)
>   2. Re: Bird Termaline 50 Ohm load  - 82A - Need adapter (Carl)
>   3. Re: Need a Schematic Copy (Rod Hogg)
>   4. Re: Fw: Re: SI units and the rest (sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov)
>   5. Re: Fw: Re: SI units and the rest (mac)
>   6. Re: Apology - My  Commentary (rbethman)
>   7. Re: Fw: Re: SI units and the rest (rbethman)
>   8. Re: Fw: Re: SI units and the rest (J. Forster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:16:22 -0500
> From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 416B threads ... was RE:  SI units and the
> rest
> To: "jmfranke" <jmfranke at cox.net>, "Kludge" <wh7hg.hi at gmail.com>,
> <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <003b01cb8744$55044460$6501a8c0 at DAVES>
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>
> Anybody have a couple of spare 416 nuts?
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jmfranke" <jmfranke at cox.net>
> To: "Kludge" <wh7hg.hi at gmail.com>; <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 416B threads ... was RE: SI units and the rest
>
>
> Both! and provide thermal path.
>
> John  WA4WDL
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Kludge" <wh7hg.hi at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:21 PM
> To: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Boatanchors] 416B threads ... was RE:  SI units and the rest
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jmfranke [mailto:jmfranke at cox.net]
>>> The grid ring on a 416B triode is threaded 3/4"-40.
>>
>> Hmmm ... was this used to support the tube or simply to ensure positive
>> contact?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michael, WH7HG BL01xh
>> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx
>> http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/
>> http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com
>> Hiki N?!
>>
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> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:43:37 -0500
> From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Bird Termaline 50 Ohm load  - 82A - Need
> adapter
> To: "Price Smith" <w0rihps at sbcglobal.net>,
> <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <00c901cb8748$23b12c80$6501a8c0 at DAVES>
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>
> I did a hit and run yesterday Price and didnt read all the posts.
>
> I still have a 250' roll of RG-177 with LC connectors and N adaptors that
> Ive had since the late 60's and it still measures within specs. Its been
> used by me outdoors for maybe 2 years tops and had been originally used
> indoors in a military building. Im saving it for when the power rules go 
> up
> by 10dB (-;
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Price Smith" <w0rihps at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>; "LARRY D GODEK" <telegrapher at q.com>;
> <k2gkk at hotmail.com>; <mellema at qis.net>; <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>;
> <tentec at contesting.com>
> Cc: <mortonph at comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Bird Termaline 50 Ohm load - 82A - Need adapter
>
>
>> Carl,
>>
>> There were many connectors used on RG-17. I use RG-17 for my main 
>> feedline
>> with HN connectors.
>> The Amphenol catalog RF-2 is a good source of information. That was
>> published in the 70s.. The first page
>> has some great info on connectors and cable.
>> If anyone would like a copy, I will scan it and e-mail it to them...
>>
>> 73 de Price W?RI
>>
>>
>>
>>> The LC was the used on RG-17
>>>
>>> Carl
>>> KM1H
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: LARRY D GODEK
>>> To: k2gkk at hotmail.com ; km1h at jeremy.mv.com ; mellema at qis.net ;
>>> boatanchors at mailman.qth.net ; tentec at contesting.com
>>> Cc: mortonph at comcast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:54 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Boatanchors] Bird Termaline 50 Ohm load - 82A - Need
>>> adapter
>>>
>>>
>>> Well the type connector that i have on a piece of RG-17 is anAmphenol
>>> 82-325
>>> which translates to either the HN or C, not sure which.  So many
>>> connectors,
>>> so many names, so little time!  The above connector does not fit into an
>>> "N"
>>> type as it appears it's one step bigger.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>> W0OGH
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: k2gkk at hotmail.com
>>>> To: km1h at jeremy.mv.com; mellema at qis.net; boatanchors at mailman.qth.net;
>>>> tentec at contesting.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:38:40 -0600
>>>> CC: mortonph at comcast.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Bird Termaline 50 Ohm load - 82A - Need
>>>> adapter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is definitely NOT a type C. Type C is the same size
>>>> as type N but is a bayonet instead of threaded connector
>>>> (a maxi BNC, so to speak).
>>>>
>>>> Type C is my absolute favorite coax connector.
>>>>
>>>> It would appear that the connetor on the 82A is one that
>>>> would have been used on the old RG-17/U coax.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know the type number, but will try to research it
>>>> later today in my old 73 Magazine Coax Handbook.
>>>>
>>>> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
>>>> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
>>>> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
>>>>
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
>>>> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
>>>> * Oklahoma City, OK *
>>>> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > From: km1h at jeremy.mv.com
>>>> > To: mellema at qis.net; boatanchors at mailman.qth.net;
>>>> > tentec at contesting.com
>>>> > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:59:13 -0500
>>>> > CC: mortonph at comcast.net
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Bird Termaline 50 Ohm load - 82A - Need
>>>> > adapter
>>>> >
>>>> > Attachments automatically get stripped on QTH forums.
>>>> >
>>>> > There is a good chance the connector is a Type C.
>>>> >
>>>> > Carl
>>>> > KM1H
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> > From: "Bill Mellema" <mellema at qis.net>
>>>> > To: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>; "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
>>>> > <tentec at contesting.com>
>>>> > Cc: "Peter Morton" <mortonph at comcast.net>
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:44 AM
>>>> > Subject: [Boatanchors] Bird Termaline 50 Ohm load - 82A - Need 
>>>> > adapter
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > >I have a friend who just bought a used Bird 500 watt Termaline 50 
>>>> > >ohm
>>>> > >load,
>>>> > >model 82A. It has a coaxial connector as shown in the photo linked
>>>> > >below.
>>>> > >He needs an adapter to adapt this connector to type N (or UHF) like
>>>> > >the
>>>> > >one
>>>> > >sitting on the table in the photo. (The photo is not of the 82A that
>>>> > >I
>>>> > >have but it illustrates the connector and the adapter I need.) The
>>>> > >connector on the load measures 1.125 in. diameter across the 
>>>> > >threads.
>>>> > >The
>>>> > >QC type connectors now used on Bird products is not what is used on
>>>> > >the
>>>> > >model 82A.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Does anyone know where he can purchase an adapter?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks In Advance,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Bill N3WM
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:46:49 -0600
> From: "Rod Hogg" <revcom at wbsnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Need a Schematic Copy
> To: "'Ronald Doering'" <wa9qnn at yahoo.com>,
> <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <A1701F833C3549C290F7B069544DC5B0 at rod>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Ron,
> The Coronado C800 is listed as the Gamble-Skogmo, Inc. C800 in Rider's
> Volume XII, Page 12-17, with "Clarified Schematics" Pages 12-3 and
> 12-4. The C.S. pages are basically showing how the band switching
> works. The volume control is sort of a weird arrangement, and the manual
> does not show the value of it, merely P/N 101233.  My guess is probably
> around 1Meg or so.
>
> Bound volumes are hard to scan or would run it off, can maybe do the edge 
> of
> schematic showing the audio section.  PP 6F6s ought to sound good.
>
> Rod
> K?EQH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ronald Doering
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Boatanchors] Need a Schematic Copy
>
> I need a schematic for the Coronado Model C-800 wood console radio.? Bama 
> is
> not working.? Nostalgia Air gives you some pages but NOT the main 
> schematic.
>
> Any tips on replacing the volume control.? The one they use was a 6 pin
> split pot. I want to use a regular 3 pin potentiometer.? Thank you.? Ron??
> wa9qnn at yahoo.com?
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:24:38 +0300
> From: sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Fw: Re: SI units and the rest
> To: Kludge <wh7hg.hi at gmail.com>
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net, 'rbethman' <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <b43d8e56.8e56b43d at KUW.IBB.GOV>
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>
> Playing a bit of devil's advocate here, and since
> I don't know enough about the ARC-5 system to
> dispute the Wikipedia page, I've got two questions.
>
> Would you detail what parts of the Wikipedia page
> are incorrect?
>
> What input are you providing to Wikipedia to correct
> the errors that you have noted?
>
> I am not asking these questions to pick a fight, but
> if information in the Wikipedia page on the ARC-5 system
> is wrong, let the forum know what you believe to be
> incorrect.  That can be discussed and debated and then
> the corrected information can be submitted back to
> Wikipedia with comments and suggestions to improve
> the entry.
>
> To me, that is a win-win all around.  The misinformation
> is corrected and Wikipedia is improved.  To simply say
> Wikipedia is incorrect is too broad a paint brush for
> a large information database as Wikipedia.
>
> Any errors here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_triangle
>
> If not, well, there is one page where Wikipedia is
> correct.
>
> 73
> Sheldon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kludge <wh7hg.hi at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Fw: Re: SI units and the rest
>
>>
>> Yes, this is true.  And *no* one polices the entries.  I mean,
>> look at the
>> one on the ARC-5 as an example of a terrible entry.  Who ever
>> produced it
>> should be shot quite and utterly deadity-dead.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michael, WH7HG BL01xh
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:39:14 -0800
> From: mac <w7qho at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Fw: Re: SI units and the rest
> To: sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net, 'rbethman' <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <4BA1D7AD-4A56-4963-AF93-ADE7D6055D80 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> I would like to second the motion.
>
> Dennis D. W7QHO
> Glendale, CA
>
> ******************
>
> On Nov 18, 2010, at 10:24 AM, sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov wrote:
>
>> Playing a bit of devil's advocate here, and since
>> I don't know enough about the ARC-5 system to
>> dispute the Wikipedia page, I've got two questions.
>>
>> Would you detail what parts of the Wikipedia page
>> are incorrect?
>>
>> What input are you providing to Wikipedia to correct
>> the errors that you have noted?
>>
>> I am not asking these questions to pick a fight, but
>> if information in the Wikipedia page on the ARC-5 system
>> is wrong, let the forum know what you believe to be
>> incorrect.  That can be discussed and debated and then
>> the corrected information can be submitted back to
>> Wikipedia with comments and suggestions to improve
>> the entry.
>>
>> To me, that is a win-win all around.  The misinformation
>> is corrected and Wikipedia is improved.  To simply say
>> Wikipedia is incorrect is too broad a paint brush for
>> a large information database as Wikipedia.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:58:11 -0500
> From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Apology - My  Commentary
> To: boatanchors at qth.net
> Message-ID: <4CE57743.5040200 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> To my friend Al Parker, I would like to extend an apology. Al, I am very
> sorry if this gave the appearance of being directed at yourself. You and
> I have worked at the Hammarlund Info, and those offers still stand.
>
> I would also like the entire group to accept that Michael has INDEED
> extended an apology. I realize that the "majority" haven't gotten to
> know Michael. I would "Highly" recommend that you visit his web sites.
> You will gain a healthy insight!
>
> I do NOT post this as a "defender", from the viewpoint of a "supporter",
> or as a "close friend". I post this as a disabled veteran whom has seen
> MANY of the Viet Nam Era vets that have lifelong issues.
>
> The remainder of Michael's rambling is only "just" that - rambling.
>
> The entire thread has been off topic to "some members" of the list. I
> would like to point out that THIS list and ANY other one DOES have
> periods where we stray.
>
> In this instance, the issues had to do with Hertz versus "cycles per
> second", the use of either 'M' or 'm' for the mega prefix, and the use
> of either 'K' or 'k' for the kilo prefix.
>
> *I* have been guilty of this "misuse" of capital letters in lieu of
> lowercase ones. I suspect that I will make errors in the future.
>
> Some have picked up little pieces of information, others may simply have
> gotten frustrated.
>
> I will simply finish with "Mea Culpa!"
>
> Bob - N0DGN
>
>
>
> On 11/18/2010 11:42 AM, Kludge wrote:
>> I?m told I owe Al Parker an apology for what has been seen as a personal
>> attack.  While it wasn?t intended as such, I?ve re-read my last message 
>> and
>> can see how that would be the case so, yes, I do apologize.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I do NOT apologize for is what was said.  The particular ?you?
>> indicated was supposed to be explicitly plural not singular (indicating I
>> should proofread better before hitting ?send?) and was directed at 
>> everyone
>> who cannot see their way clear to contribute rather than complain.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:01:37 -0500
> From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Fw: Re: SI units and the rest
> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4CE57811.9090402 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Personally, I do not see any "useful" result in this "tiny" piece of the
> Wikipedia entirety.
>
> The best that this could "possibly" do is continue a "thread" which is
> essentially a "dead horse".
>
> My $0.02
>
> Bob - N0DGN
>
> On 11/18/2010 1:39 PM, mac wrote:
>> I would like to second the motion.
>>
>> Dennis D. W7QHO
>> Glendale, CA
>>
>> ******************
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2010, at 10:24 AM, sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov wrote:
>>
>>> Playing a bit of devil's advocate here, and since
>>> I don't know enough about the ARC-5 system to
>>> dispute the Wikipedia page, I've got two questions.
>>>
>>> Would you detail what parts of the Wikipedia page
>>> are incorrect?
>>>
>>> What input are you providing to Wikipedia to correct
>>> the errors that you have noted?
>>>
>>> I am not asking these questions to pick a fight, but
>>> if information in the Wikipedia page on the ARC-5 system
>>> is wrong, let the forum know what you believe to be
>>> incorrect.  That can be discussed and debated and then
>>> the corrected information can be submitted back to
>>> Wikipedia with comments and suggestions to improve
>>> the entry.
>>>
>>> To me, that is a win-win all around.  The misinformation
>>> is corrected and Wikipedia is improved.  To simply say
>>> Wikipedia is incorrect is too broad a paint brush for
>>> a large information database as Wikipedia.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:06:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quik.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Fw: Re: SI units and the rest
> To: sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net, 'rbethman' <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <64166.12.6.201.2.1290107180.squirrel at popaccts.quikus.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I've used the Wiki page on ARC-5s and found it to be really a very useful
> summary of the radios.
>
> No, it is not a substitute for a shelf full of (unobtanable) manuals, but
> it's a hell of a lot better than the "Surplus Conversion Manuals" for
> example.
>
> FWIW,
>
> -John
>
> ===================
>
>
>> Playing a bit of devil's advocate here, and since
>> I don't know enough about the ARC-5 system to
>> dispute the Wikipedia page, I've got two questions.
>>
>> Would you detail what parts of the Wikipedia page
>> are incorrect?
>>
>> What input are you providing to Wikipedia to correct
>> the errors that you have noted?
>>
>> I am not asking these questions to pick a fight, but
>> if information in the Wikipedia page on the ARC-5 system
>> is wrong, let the forum know what you believe to be
>> incorrect.  That can be discussed and debated and then
>> the corrected information can be submitted back to
>> Wikipedia with comments and suggestions to improve
>> the entry.
>>
>> To me, that is a win-win all around.  The misinformation
>> is corrected and Wikipedia is improved.  To simply say
>> Wikipedia is incorrect is too broad a paint brush for
>> a large information database as Wikipedia.
>>
>> Any errors here:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_triangle
>>
>> If not, well, there is one page where Wikipedia is
>> correct.
>>
>> 73
>> Sheldon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kludge <wh7hg.hi at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:14 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Fw: Re: SI units and the rest
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, this is true.  And *no* one polices the entries.  I mean,
>>> look at the
>>> one on the ARC-5 as an example of a terrible entry.  Who ever
>>> produced it
>>> should be shot quite and utterly deadity-dead.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Michael, WH7HG BL01xh
>>
>>
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