[Boatanchors] Boatanchors Digest, Vol 82, Issue 18

Sun Nov 14 13:10:11 EST 2010

Yeah and my name is Henry, so of course
I get kidded with uH, mH   .. my ego tells me
I'm a MH. No one's called me kH, pH or nH, yet.
The women just
think of me as 1H, this being more than enough
for them.
73
O'Henry

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>   1. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (Carl)
>   2. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (Carl)
>   3. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (Lee Buller)
>   4. Re: to better communication - was: Xtals (even mHz)
>      (Bill Cromwell)
>   5. Re: to better communication - was: Xtals (even mHz)
>      (D C *Mac* Macdonald)
>   6. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (oldradio at comcast.net)
>   7. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (rbethman)
>   8. New Jersey QSLs (Carl Nord)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:30:35 -0500
> From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
> To: "Brian Clarke" <brianclarke01 at optusnet.com.au>,
> <boatanchors at qth.net>
> Message-ID: <002f01cb8408$8235f490$6501a8c0 at DAVES>
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> And New Zealand still remains a highly isolationist country with many
> strange practices.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Clarke" <brianclarke01 at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <boatanchors at qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>
>
>> Why not get it right?
>>
>> In New Zealand, that tiny little island nation that dared to stand out
>> against the might of that which proclaims itself right, was educating its
>> citizens in the metric system of measurement over 60 years ago. At
>> engineering school 50 years ago, we learned how to work comfortably with
>> measures ancient and modern. Systeme Internationale has been in operation
>> in
>> most of the civilised world for at least 40 years - so, if you missed it,
>> then you may be representative of a whole generation of conveniently left
>> greenies, like Al Gore whose only degree in science was given to him at
>> the
>> same time as Dolly Parton got hers.
>>
>> 73 de Brian, VK2GCE
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bruce" <bsugarberg at core.com>
>> To: <boatanchors at qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Let's just forget about all that "hurts" stuff, and just go back to
>>> kc and mc.  Life would be a lot simpler and easier.
>>>
>>> 73, Bruce WA8TNC
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:41:14 -0500
> From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
> To: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk at hotmail.com>, "W5UQ, Hardie, Bob"
> <w5uq at att.net>
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
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> Its simple, just use khz and mhz and piss everyone off.
>
> Carl
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
> To: "W5UQ, Hardie, Bob" <w5uq at att.net>
> Cc: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>
>
>>
>> Not to worry, Bob.
>>
>> For quite awhile longer than it should have taken,
>> I was using KHz for kilohertz until some OTHER
>> smartypants cleared up that error on MY part.
>>
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
>> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
>> * Oklahoma City, OK *
>> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 07:17:19 -0600
>> From: W5UQ at att.NET
>> To: k2gkk at hotmail.com
>> CC: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>
>> Oh I don't question SI Mac.
>>
>> In college, many many years ago,(more than I want to admit) we all had to
>> learn the correct SI language. Or our prof got really upset. And I do 
>> seem
>> to remember the capital M and m being like you say. Just forgot it.
>>
>> Also, I was just adding another method that has been taught. Not that 
>> it's
>> correct. HI. But it may explain why some used the lower case m.
>>
>> So, I will do MHz from now on... okey dokey? And thanks for letting us
>> know so we can avoid being incorrect. :-)
>> boB
>> and the BEAT goes onnnnnn....See W5UQ.com& QRZ.com is accurate for
>> W5UQAlso see QRZ.com for A25UQ and V31UQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/2010 7:06 AM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
>> Not correct. Metric prefixes signifying GREATER than
>> the basic unit are normally capitalized. Those that
>> signify that the unit is SMALLER than the basic unit
>> are lower case.
>>
>> With frequency, there is a difference with kilohertz
>> because the upper case "K" has already been assigned
>> to Kelvin temperature where any K temperature is
>> referenced to 0 degrees K which is ABSOLUTE ZERO
>> (- 273 Celsius).
>>
>> That's the reason for the apparent anomaly where the
>> convention is MHz for megahertz and kHz for kilohertz.
>>
>> If there were an actual unit "mHz" would it signify
>> one cycle every 1000 seconds? HAR!
>>
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
>> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
>> * Oklahoma City, OK *
>> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:55:19 -0600From: W5UQ at att.NETTo:
>> boatanchors at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even
>> mHz)Well, he may be right. However, I was taught that since Hertz is a
>> proper name, that it, and only it, should be capitalized. Hence, mHz or
>> kHz.Oh well, who am I to questions SI's. I bow to Those who Knows... hee
>> hee.Boband the BEAT goes onnnnnn....See W5UQ.com& QRZ.com is accurate for
>> W5UQAlso see QRZ.com for A25UQ and V31UQOn 11/14/2010 4:09 AM, David
>> Stinson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Why would you want crystals in the sub audible range??
>> They make really nifty paper weights.In the mean time, I'm going to ride
>> my by-Hertzover to the junk box and see if I can find anyof those
>> crystals.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:44:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lee Buller <k0wa at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
> To: leecraner at aol.com, boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <926831.4970.qm at web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Lee...
>
> International Crystal in Oklahoma City.  Call them, and tell them what you
> need.  They have it and it is not that expensive.
>
> Lee - K0WA
>
>
> In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you 
> don't
> have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't 
> find any
> Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
> Common
> Sense divine?
>
> Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my 
> mind.
> -  J. Wolf
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "leecraner at aol.com" <leecraner at aol.com>
> To: boatanchors at qth.net
>Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:52:47 PM
> Subject: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>
> Hello list,
> ?
> I need the following crystals for the LO of a homebrew transmitter I'm 
> currently
> building:
> ?
> 2 mHz, 4 mHz, 9 mHz 12.5 mHz, 13 mHz.? FT243 style pin spacing.
> ?
> I know that I can order them from International Crystal.? But before I go 
> to
> that expense, I thought I'd check with the list members first.? Cash or 
> trade
> for some spare FT243 40 meter CW xtals I've got.
> ?
> Thanks for your time
> ?
> 73
> Lee WB6SSW
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:37:21 -0500
> From: Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] to better communication - was: Xtals (even
> mHz)
> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <1289745441.28618.18.camel at lancelot.workgroup>
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>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> Sometimes we just make 'honest' mistakes or typos. I would think in a
> *technical* hobby we would try to use the right words and forms. I can
> usually dig out the correct meaning of what some people say even if they
> use incredibly sloppy language. But sometimes not. I haven't said
> anything before and I am not going to say much about it now.
> Radio/electronics is not the only place where usage is important to
> understanding. If we use the wrong words we are quite likely to get
> something we weren't expecting. The unexpected has sometimes proven
> fatal. Short of fatal it can be expensive. More often it's just an
> irritation. It's really not bliss.
>
> My own pet peeves? As long as I'm here:
>
> "Tranny". Transformer? Transistor? A gearbox? A bus? A transvestite? A
> transgenedered person (yes they're different). Yeah I can figure it out
> from context but it's clumsy and slows down reading comprehension.
>
> *Filament/Heater*. They are *NOT* the same things. If I really need to
> know I have to look up tube specs. Lots of time wasted when we can't say
> exactly what we mean. This one gets a lot of abuse.
>
> If you're one of the people who whine and cry about the "grammar police"
> you will have used up your whining quota and will not be allowed to
> whine when you get what you really asked for (incorrectly).
>
> Finally, none of us is innocent. I won't whine or cry if you point out a
> place where I need to look at the right word(s). Please be gentle when
> you do but also please do.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill  KU8H
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:19:51 -0600
> From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] to better communication - was: Xtals (even
> mHz)
> To: <wrcromwell at gmail.com>, <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <BLU129-W27798C33EFB03C76ED3030F1350 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I'm not sure about that "filament/heater" difference.
>
> I know the difference between directly and indirectly
> heated cathodes (emission devices).  As far as I
> know, describing the cathode in THAT manner is the
> only way to differentiate the two.
>
> As far as I know, ALL filaments serve as heaters
> to either directly emit the electrons or to cause
> the separate cathode to do that function.
>
>
> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
>
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *
> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
> * Oklahoma City, OK *
> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: wrcromwell at gmail.com
>> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:37:21 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] to better communication - was: Xtals (even 
>> mHz)
>>
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> Sometimes we just make 'honest' mistakes or typos. I would think in a
>> *technical* hobby we would try to use the right words and forms. I can
>> usually dig out the correct meaning of what some people say even if they
>> use incredibly sloppy language. But sometimes not. I haven't said
>> anything before and I am not going to say much about it now.
>> Radio/electronics is not the only place where usage is important to
>> understanding. If we use the wrong words we are quite likely to get
>> something we weren't expecting. The unexpected has sometimes proven
>> fatal. Short of fatal it can be expensive. More often it's just an
>> irritation. It's really not bliss.
>>
>> My own pet peeves? As long as I'm here:
>>
>> "Tranny". Transformer? Transistor? A gearbox? A bus? A transvestite? A
>> transgenedered person (yes they're different). Yeah I can figure it out
>> from context but it's clumsy and slows down reading comprehension.
>>
>> *Filament/Heater*. They are *NOT* the same things. If I really need to
>> know I have to look up tube specs. Lots of time wasted when we can't say
>> exactly what we mean. This one gets a lot of abuse.
>>
>> If you're one of the people who whine and cry about the "grammar police"
>> you will have used up your whining quota and will not be allowed to
>> whine when you get what you really asked for (incorrectly).
>>
>> Finally, none of us is innocent. I won't whine or cry if you point out a
>> place where I need to look at the right word(s). Please be gentle when
>> you do but also please do.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Bill KU8H
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:50:54 +0000 (UTC)
> From: oldradio at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
> To: Bruce <bsugarberg at core.com>
> Cc: boatanchors at qth.net
> Message-ID:
> <2005046398.1073467.1289749854981.JavaMail.root at sz0128a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I agree with Bruce.  I see calling it a kilocycle or megacycle as a badge 
> of honor for we who remember when it was called only that.
>
> It's sort of like when you have a nice old street in your town and 
> everybody knows its name.  Then the newbies in town change the name to 
> that of their favorite politician (that nobody liked anyway).
>
> Later when you give someone "new to town" directions based on the old 
> street name you remember, they get lost.
>
> And speaking of directions - I remember when I was 17, working at nights 
> at a gas station just outside of Atlantic City.  Pappy, the owners father, 
> had a gimic he used for people who would pull in when it was raining and 
> only wanted directions, not gas.  No matter which way they pulled in the 
> directions were always the same, standing in the rain he would tell them, 
> "Straight ahead, you can't miss it, then turn right."  (The wide ramp the 
> Miss America Parade floats used to exit the Boardwalk was at the end of 
> the highway, and looked like a street.)
>
> The AC press was always confused why so many cars drove right up on the 
> Boardwalk, and then off the end where it zig-zaged at the next city, 
> Ventnor. And it only happened when it rained.
>
> 73, John Dilks, K2TQN
>    "Straight Ahead!"
>
>
> -.-
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce" <bsugarberg at core.com>
> To: boatanchors at qth.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:47:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>
> Hello,
>
> Let's just forget about all that "hurts" stuff, and just go back to
> kc and mc.  Life would be a lot simpler and easier.
>
> 73, Bruce WA8TNC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:12:46 -0500
> From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
> To: boatanchors at qth.net
> Message-ID: <4CE00A7E.7030708 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Respect to ALL,
>
> The crystals themselves are marked in Kc.
>
> My "older" radios and manuals are "labeled" or in the case of manuals,
> "printed" withe Kc, (or Kilocycles), and Mc, (or Megacycles).
>
> Yep!  Around 40 years or so ago I learned both.
>
> The LAST I looked, the "name" of the list IS - BOATANCHORS!  I can
> converse in Hertz or in Cycles.  It doesn't make a single bit of 
> difference.
>
> Everybody enjoy!
>
> Bob - N0DGN
>
> On 11/14/2010 10:50 AM, oldradio at comcast.net wrote:
>> I agree with Bruce.  I see calling it a kilocycle or megacycle as a badge 
>> of honor for we who remember when it was called only that.
>>
>> It's sort of like when you have a nice old street in your town and 
>> everybody knows its name.  Then the newbies in town change the name to 
>> that of their favorite politician (that nobody liked anyway).
>>
>> Later when you give someone "new to town" directions based on the old 
>> street name you remember, they get lost.
>>
>> And speaking of directions - I remember when I was 17, working at nights 
>> at a gas station just outside of Atlantic City.  Pappy, the owners 
>> father, had a gimic he used for people who would pull in when it was 
>> raining and only wanted directions, not gas.  No matter which way they 
>> pulled in the directions were always the same, standing in the rain he 
>> would tell them, "Straight ahead, you can't miss it, then turn right." 
>> (The wide ramp the Miss America Parade floats used to exit the Boardwalk 
>> was at the end of the highway, and looked like a street.)
>>
>> The AC press was always confused why so many cars drove right up on the 
>> Boardwalk, and then off the end where it zig-zaged at the next city, 
>> Ventnor. And it only happened when it rained.
>>
>> 73, John Dilks, K2TQN
>>      "Straight Ahead!"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:50:26 -0500
> From: "Carl Nord" <chnord at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Boatanchors] New Jersey QSLs
> To: <njarc at mailman.qth.net>, <Boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <71D96D2E98B243649FAB983FC6D2EAEB at CARL2006>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> There was a gentleman by the name of Tony or Anthony who specialized in 
> old
> QSLs from NJ as a collection
> I have done some swaps with him before and would like to get in touch with
> him butt cannot find his address. Anyone remember him?
>
>
> Carl
> WA1KPD
> Visit My Boatanchor Collection at
> http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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