Tony is correct in that Greenlee is the only way to go. I have had mine for over 40 years with no problems. "It is like buying oats. If you want first quality oats, the price can be high. If you want oats that have been run through the horse, the price will be cheaper". 73, Gene, WØQFC (OK on QRZ) Spring Hill, Florida 34606 WEB SITE: http://www.w0qfc.com