From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct  3 12:33:59 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Mark D. Conklin N7XYO)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:33:59 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] 2004 Green Country Hamfest, Inc. annual scholarship.
Message-ID: <003201c389a2$3f07f820$60c214d0@olp.net>

There's still time to apply for the
2004 Green Country Hamfest, Inc. annual scholarship.

In 1993 the Green Country Hamfest, Inc. annual scholarship was established.
The scholarship is awarded each fall and is in memory of William Moore,
KF5DL who contributed so much during his lifetime to the teaching and
promotion of the hobby of amateur radio. The scholarship is intended
exclusively for educational use, to provide assistance with the costs of
tuition, books, room, board, and associated fees essential to the advanced
education of the recipient. The scholarship is awarded for students that are
or will be attending for on-site, in-class courses only. Mail, Internet or
TV courses are not considered.

Do you know of a young ham getting ready to go off to college? This
scholarship was created for him/her. To apply go to
http://www.greencountryhamfest.org/App.htm and print the application form.
The application deadline is October 30.

Mail your completed application to:
Green Country Hamfest, Inc.
PO Box 470132
Tulsa, OK 74147-0132

www.GreenCountryHamfest.org
Green Country Hamfest, Inc.
a 501c3 Corporation


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct  5 22:52:26 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:52:26 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Hamfests etc
Message-ID: <20031005.171937.-362099.3.kc5fm@juno.com>

Thanks to the QCWA list for this information:

 
     EVENT CALENDAR:
 
     CHAPTER 63 MEETING      - Sat. Oct.  11th.  - 63rd. and NW Highway
                                                   11:00AM HOMETOWN
BUFFET
 
     QCWA NATL. CONVENTION   - Fri/Sun Oct 17/19 - Addison, Texas. See
QCWA
                                                   Summer Journal or Web
Site
 
     GRANDVIEW MO. HAMFEST   - Sat. Oct.  18th.  - Grandview, MO.
 
     TEXHOMA HAMARAMA        - Fri/Sat Oct 24/25 - Lake Texhoma Lodge
                                                   Kingston, OKla.

Lloyd Colston             Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK USA           http://www.geocities.com/mccem
        Homeland Security begins at HOME.

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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct  5 23:33:07 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:33:07 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Packet by Telnet
Message-ID: <20031005.174603.-362099.5.kc5fm@juno.com>

telnet://kf9up.rexnet.net:23

That's a packet station online with an HF output port.

My regular account is at

telnet://gw.n5vda.ampr.org

He is one hop away from WB0TAX who also has an HF port.

I am searching for a path back up here from the latter one.

Let me know if you find one.

Thanks...

Lloyd Colston             Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK USA           http://www.geocities.com/mccem
        Homeland Security begins at HOME.

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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct  6 12:23:50 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Mark D. Conklin N7XYO)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:23:50 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] =?iso-8859-1?Q?NE_Oklahoma's_Hamfest_rises_to_the_=22Tampa_Bay_Challeng?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?e=22_to_raise_funds_to_fight_BPL_?=
Message-ID: <002901c38bfc$51343020$60c214d0@olp.net>

NE Oklahoma's Hamfest rises to the "Tampa Bay Challenge" to raise funds to
fight BPL

Oct 6, 2003, Tulsa Okla. - The Green Country Hamfest Inc. committee voted at
it's monthly board meeting to answer the challenge by The Florida Gulf Coast
Amateur Radio Council (FGCARC). The challenge was to donate funds raised at
the hamfest to the ARRL's Broadband over Power Line (BPL) Defense Fund. For
every attendee to the Oklahoma Section Convention (Green Country Hamfest)
will have the opportunity to add $1 to the ticket price and that $1 will go
directly to the Defense Fund. Also throughout the event there will be
collections points and other opportunities to contribute to the fund.

"We average 1,500 to 2,500 attending this event our goal is to receive a
donation from everyone," said ARRL Oklahoma Section Public Information
Coordinator Mark Conklin N7XYO. "Green Country Hamfest is a well attended,
fun and informative event." Flyers will be distributed to everyone attending
the hamfest as well as posters with information about the harmful
interference BPL will cause to communication in times of emergency and the
threat to the hobby. For more information about the Oklahoma Section
Convention (Green Country Hamfest) visit www.GreenCountryHamfest.org


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct  6 12:42:16 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:42:16 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Balloon Flight
Message-ID: <20031006.065825.-702831.18.kc5fm@juno.com>

Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:29:34 -0500
   From: "Eddie Roberts" <kc5ter@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: ORB-6 BALLON FLIGHT
 
ORB-6
 
   Balloon - 300g
  Altitude - 60,000 - 80,000 feet
Payload #1 - 2m-70cm Cross-Band Repeater.
Payload #2 - APRS, K12 CW Beacon, Audio beacon, Digital PenCam.
 
I will tenatively set the date for Saturday October 18.
with the backup date of Sunday October 19. Let me know
how this fits into everyones plans.
 
We also need some input as to the weather prognosis for
that weekend.
 

Lloyd Colston             Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK USA           http://www.geocities.com/mccem
        Homeland Security begins at HOME.

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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct 11 00:09:57 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:09:57 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Fw: Webelos Woods, Ham Demo
Message-ID: <20031010.182335.-642617.1.kc5fm@juno.com>

If you can help Mr. Roberts, please contact him directly.


Lloyd Colston             Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK USA           http://www.geocities.com/mccem
        Homeland Security begins at HOME.

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: mdrobe761@att.net
To: lloyd@colston.com (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:27:11 +0000
Subject: Webelos Woods, Ham Demo
Message-ID: <101020032227.21009.1999@att.net>

Dear Mr. Colston:
  I have been working with the TRO to put together a small group of 
volunteers for the Webelo Woods at Camp Garland October 24 through the
26th.  
I am preparing a program for the kids where they will have activities and
Ham 
Radio's with control operators for 3rd party traffic.
  Our empahsis of the program will be the Boy Scout Radio, Electronics, &

emergency preparedness Merit badges.  I will be playing the video program

Amateur Radio Today narrated by Walter Cronkite, some tornado storm chase

footage, and Question and Answer time.  I will have a small am shortwave 
radio kit for the kids to put together on the table.
  We have alocated a small pavillion near the dining hall, and we will
need a 
generator to provide electricity.  Paul Papke, wb5mpu has offered his 
assistance with some equipment and may be able to come out for the 
presentation on Saturday. I still need one more Extra class or General
Class 
operator to assist with the HF as control operator.
  I have Mike Rieser, KD5LPE, from Troop 222 who will represent scouting
& 
ham radio. Mike is a visually impared General Class handi ham and has his
own 
rig set up for voice readout.  I am providing my own HF station which is
MARS 
capable and will be checking into the NAVY-MARINE MARS net Friday,
Saturday, 
and Sunday morning.  My Navy Mars call is NNN0LPL-T.   I am sending the 
information to our MARS members to call the station on 40 meters general 
frequency of 7.225 to 7.300 phone after the mars nets conclude.
  There is contact information at www.tulsahamradio.org for volunteers to

help at the station or to call me at my home phone & e-mail address. 
Please 
contact me if you can offer assistance and pass the word along regarding
our 
special event station.  We would like to give the kids a great time and
get 
them on the air and perhaps influence their parents as well. 73's
Sincerely,
Mark Roberts
KD5SMF / NNN0LPL-T
918-296-9038

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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct 11 18:34:48 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (AE5MH)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:34:48 +0100
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Fw: Webelos Woods, Ham Demo
References: <20031010.182335.-642617.1.kc5fm@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c3901d$f84db780$02fea8c0@ok.cox.net>

I have practically had to BEG to get our council to move this annual Fall
Camporee to the week preceding EVERY year to afford the boys the opportunity
to participate in JOTA..

Three of the last five years I have set up portable tower(s) and beams..

It is my intention to go chase a balloon in Tulsa this year as nobody has
asked or even casually mentioned JOTA.

This being a Scouting event, I would have thought that the Scout Council
would jump at the chance..

I also offered to rotate the JOTA event between districts so the same boys
would not be "Bored" by having it every year..

I would go to any council in the state on JOTA weekend if they would move
thier Fall camporee one week..  I understand the importance of showing the
boys just how much fun the amatuer hobby can be.
I am a well trained Scout leader

I feel better now..

Mark Hamblin
WB 610-91
Fox Patrol


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lloyd Colston" <kc5fm@juno.com>
To: <arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net>; <mchams@yahoogroups.com>;
<okham@yahoogroups.com>; <okham@mailman.qth.net>; <ok-mars@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <mdrobe761@att.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:09 AM
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Fw: Webelos Woods, Ham Demo


> If you can help Mr. Roberts, please contact him directly.
>
>
> Lloyd Colston             Mayes County Emergency Management
> Pryor, OK USA           http://www.geocities.com/mccem
>         Homeland Security begins at HOME.
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: mdrobe761@att.net
> To: lloyd@colston.com (Lloyd Colston)
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:27:11 +0000
> Subject: Webelos Woods, Ham Demo
> Message-ID: <101020032227.21009.1999@att.net>
>
> Dear Mr. Colston:
>   I have been working with the TRO to put together a small group of
> volunteers for the Webelo Woods at Camp Garland October 24 through the
> 26th.
> I am preparing a program for the kids where they will have activities and
> Ham
> Radio's with control operators for 3rd party traffic.
>   Our empahsis of the program will be the Boy Scout Radio, Electronics, &
>
> emergency preparedness Merit badges.  I will be playing the video program
>
> Amateur Radio Today narrated by Walter Cronkite, some tornado storm chase
>
> footage, and Question and Answer time.  I will have a small am shortwave
> radio kit for the kids to put together on the table.
>   We have alocated a small pavillion near the dining hall, and we will
> need a
> generator to provide electricity.  Paul Papke, wb5mpu has offered his
> assistance with some equipment and may be able to come out for the
> presentation on Saturday. I still need one more Extra class or General
> Class
> operator to assist with the HF as control operator.
>   I have Mike Rieser, KD5LPE, from Troop 222 who will represent scouting
> &
> ham radio. Mike is a visually impared General Class handi ham and has his
> own
> rig set up for voice readout.  I am providing my own HF station which is
> MARS
> capable and will be checking into the NAVY-MARINE MARS net Friday,
> Saturday,
> and Sunday morning.  My Navy Mars call is NNN0LPL-T.   I am sending the
> information to our MARS members to call the station on 40 meters general
> frequency of 7.225 to 7.300 phone after the mars nets conclude.
>   There is contact information at www.tulsahamradio.org for volunteers to
>
> help at the station or to call me at my home phone & e-mail address.
> Please
> contact me if you can offer assistance and pass the word along regarding
> our
> special event station.  We would like to give the kids a great time and
> get
> them on the air and perhaps influence their parents as well. 73's
> Sincerely,
> Mark Roberts
> KD5SMF / NNN0LPL-T
> 918-296-9038
>
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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct 11 02:15:01 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:15:01 EDT
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Fw: Webelos Woods, Ham Demo
Message-ID: <a9.498797fa.2cb8b395@aol.com>

Jus read your e-mail reference JOTA.  I have a ham station located at our 
Salvation Army  here in Lawton.  Each  year we have the Lawton Fort Sill scouts 
at  the Salvation Army to operate amateur radio. We will
have the Sal station operating and 3 to 4  mobile stations operating in the 
parking lot.  Each station operates on different bands allowing the scouts to 
talk to other scouts around the country.  We rotate each group from one vehicle 
to another which allows them to talk different states and DX.  Soft drinks 
and snacks is provided for the scouts.  Fort Sill will have adult leaders with 
the scouts. (They enjoy hearing  contacts the scouts are making state side and 
DX.)  I will have code oscillators with
hand keys and code charts that they really enjoy learning to send code.
( I understand the code requirement is being dropped as a requirement)
They will still enjoy learning  using the code keys.  73, Frank, AB5J 


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct 12 14:27:36 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:27:36 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] TARA's PSK Rumble Rumble Page
Message-ID: <3F8956C8.7030700@ureach.com>

http://www.n2ty.org/seasons/tara_rumble_rules.html

-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 13 03:43:24 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:43:24 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] October events
Message-ID: <3F8A114C.6070208@ureach.com>

QCWA NATL. CONVENTION   - Fri/Sun Oct 17/19 - Addison, Texas. See QCWA
                                                   Summer Journal or Web 
Site
 
     GRANDVIEW MO. HAMFEST   - Sat. Oct.  18th.  - Grandview, MO.
 
     TEXHOMA HAMARAMA        - Fri/Sat Oct 24/25 - Lake Texhoma Lodge
                                                   Kingston, OKla.
 
     CHAPTER 63 MEETING      - Sat. Jan.  17th.  - 63rd. and NW Highway
                                                   11:00AM HOMETOWN BUFFET

Thanks for the QCWA list for this information.

-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 14 12:57:00 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:57:00 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] WTB Radio Shack Digitraveler
Message-ID: <3F8BE48C.90304@ureach.com>

I am seeking one working Digitraveler 20-1602

This is a closeout item.

The local store does not have one.

Can you point me to a store that has one?  Do YOU have one you'd like to 
sell?

Thanks

-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 15 12:32:19 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:32:19 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] NEOCAMS
Message-ID: <3F8D3043.6090702@ureach.com>

http://chapters.ametsoc.org/NEOCAMS/oct2003redwards.htm

NEOCAMS is the Northeast Oklahoma Chapter of the American Meteorological 
Society.  Membership in this group is open to storm spotters, chasers, 
emergency managers, and anyone else with an interest in meteorology.

The next meeting features Roger Edwards with the Storm Prediction Center.

If you are interesting in joining this group, please feel free to email me.

Let me know how more I can help.


-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.





From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 15 18:14:23 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:14:23 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] FOX hunt WAS [Fwd: Re:]
Message-ID: <3F8D806F.2000205@ureach.com>

I'm sorry.
SaTROday is our monthly fox hunt. A Tulsa Repeater Organization event 
held each 3rd Saturday of the month.
The fox hunts will begin at 1000 A.M. local Tulsa, Oklahoma time on the 
146.28-88 repeater (a 88.5PL is required to access this repeater.
1. The fox must not move after the start of TX. He must TX one minute 
every ten minutes or so.
2. The fox may hide on private property with the owners permission for 
them to be there as well as the fox hunters to enter the property.

3. The fox may hide in other than Tulsa County only if it is publicized 
before and during the hunt.
73's
WB5MPU
Paul Papke

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Lloyd Colston <mailto:kc5fm@ureach.com>
    To: Paul Papke <mailto:wb5mpu@cox.net>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:15 AM
    Subject: Re:



    Paul Papke wrote:

     > When I talked to Merlin about the fox, I asked if there was much
    club
     > involvement. To spur interest I will offer, one year’s membership to
     > TRO to the fox hunters.
     >
    What are you talking about and when it is happening?



-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 15 23:51:43 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:51:43 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Success
Message-ID: <3F8DCF7F.1030508@ureach.com>

I have located the item I was seeking in OH.

Thanks to all who helped.


-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct 18 16:48:07 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:48:07 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] George AC5JV gear for sale
Message-ID: <3F9160B7.5060906@ureach.com>

George, AC5JV, is having to sell some of his gear because he lost his job.

He has a number of different items.

Therefore, rather than try to get him to send a bunch of email, he has 
listed his items at
http://www.neoksimplex.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi

Please check to see if what he has you need and contact him directly.  I 
am sure he will appreciate it.

73


-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct 19 01:07:09 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:07:09 EDT
Subject: [ARRL-OK] (no subject)
Message-ID: <166.27107f53.2cc32fad@aol.com>

Posted: Oct. 13 2003,21:19      FROM QRZ.com by Larry, AA0BY    
I am starting a new publication just for kids in the ham radio hobby, as well 
as those kids wanting to be hams called Hamtastic Kids. I am looking for 
people to submit articles on the following topics:
ragchewing, DXing, antennas, contesting, foxhunts, awards and other 
ham-related topics as they pertain to children.
Adults may submit articles as well, or assist their children. 

LOGO CONTEST
We also want kids to submit a logo of their own design so we can use it on 
the publication. Winner will receive $25 and a free year subscription to 
Hamtastic Kids.
Email your logos or articles to:

<A HREF="mailto:hamtasitickids@mail2world.com">hamtasitickids@mail2world.com</A>

You can also email me at the above address if you wish to receive the 
snail-mail address.

Thank you.

73,
Larry, AA0BY    
 


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 20 02:44:17 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:44:17 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Venue Management and Weather
Message-ID: <3F933DF1.8000100@ureach.com>

Date:                      Wed, Oct. 29th
Meeting time:         
Location:                Red Cross Bldg, 2nd Floor, Norman Room (ask 
Security Guard for directions)
                                 (Immediately behind the bldg housing 
NWSFO-TUL at 11th St/US169 interchange)
Speaker:                Roger Edwards, SPC
Talk:                      Svr Wx Preps for large venues
 
Roger will share his views and comments on what large venue management 
should consider for preparations for severe weather.  It's not hard to 
imagine a scenario here in Oklahoma -- severe spring storms or tornadoes 
-- or severe weather occurring anytime of the year -- proms, school 
functions, graduations, conventions, large meetings, outdoor or indoor 
sporting events...even just an ordinary weekend at the shopping mall -- 
are these facilities equipped to handle a severe weather event occurring 
in their immediate vicinity with large numbers of people in attendance?  
Have facility management teams, or event organizers, considered weather 
risk management for customers, attendees, and the general public at 
their location/event?  Are the current plans in place, if there is a 
plan in place, enough to ward off disaster?


-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 22 00:27:07 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lee E.Dumas)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:27:07 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] FW: October 21, 2003 (Tuesday) - 01:31:27 pm
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAsur2GR4670e0g8xoX828xcKAAAAQAAAAf4Q1rSlSTUu3Vq+KuYdFKQEAAAAA@brightok.net>


The good you do today may be quickly forgotten, but the impact of what =
you
do will never disappear.=20
--Anonymous=20





773
NOUS44 KOUN 211830
PNSOKC

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
130 PM CDT TUE OCT 21 2003

...REPLACE YOUR BATTERIES WHEN YOU CHANGE THE CLOCKS...

WHEN YOU SET THE CLOCKS BACK THIS WEEKEND...REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE =
BATTERIES
IN YOUR SMOKE DETECTOR...AND YOUR NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WEATHER =
RADIO.

A WEATHER RADIO WITH BATTERY BACK-UP CAN BE A LIFE SAVER WHEN DANGEROUS
STORMS APPROACH...SO BE SURE YOUR RADIO WILL BE THERE WHEN YOU NEED IT =
BY
REPLACING THE BATTERY.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WEATHER RADIO...VISIT YOUR NATIONAL WEATHER
SERVICE ON THE INTERNET AT WWW.SRH.WEATHER.GOV/OUN.

SMITH


SINCE THE NWS DID NOT SPECIFY THE SPECIFIC COUNTIES FOR WHICH THIS =
BULLETIN
WAS INTENDED, WE HAVE RESTRICTED IT TO ALL COUNTIES FOR WHICH THE =
ISSUING
WEATHER FORECAST OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE.  INCLUDING:

IN OKLAHOMA: ALFALFA, ATOKA, BECKHAM, BLAINE, BRYAN, CADDO, CANADIAN,
CARTER, CLEVELAND, COAL, COMANCHE, COTTON, CUSTER, DEWEY, ELLIS, =
GARFIELD,
GARVIN, GRADY, GRANT, GREER, HARMON, HARPER, HUGHES, JACKSON, JEFFERSON,
JOHNSTON, KAY, KINGFISHER, KIOWA, LINCOLN, LOGAN, LOVE, MAJOR, MARSHALL,
MCCLAIN, MURRAY, NOBLE, OKLAHOMA, PAYNE, PONTOTOC, POTTAWATOMIE, ROGER
MILLS, SEMINOLE, STEPHENS, TILLMAN, WASHITA, WOODS, WOODWARD.  IN TEXAS:
ARCHER, BAYLOR, CLAY, FOARD, HARDEMAN, KNOX, WICHITA, WILBARGER.




From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 23 03:25:17 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Mark D. Conklin N7XYO)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:25:17 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Green Country Hamfest mentioned on ARRL web site front page!
Message-ID: <004401c3990c$e6c47d80$60c214d0@olp.net>

Green Country Hamfest mentioned on ARRL web site front page!

http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/22/1/?nc=3D1#Oklahoma

73 Mark Conklin N7XYO

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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 23 18:10:00 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:10:00 -0400
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Mayes County Cub Scouts
Message-ID: <200310231710.NAA12038@db20a.ureach.com>

http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=46730

I got a call from Mark Roberts last night.  He is needing help
setting up Friday afternoon.  If you can give your support to
this mission this weekend, please contact him directly.


Lloyd Colston    Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK  USA    http://www.geocities.com/mccem
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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 23 18:08:57 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:08:57 EDT
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Texoma Hamfest, Etc.
Message-ID: <25.3fcfd13f.2cc96529@aol.com>

Hello OK Section:

This weekend is the Texoma Hamarama at the Lodge in Kingston, OK.

Quite a list of good programs, vendors and flea market to be enjoyed by all.=
=A0=20
Look forward to seeing many Section members at the Hamfest.=A0 Effort is=20
underway to work in a League forum.=A0 Be looking and listening for the oppo=
rtunity to=20
get an update on Section happenings.=A0 Hpe to see many of you.....drive=20
carefully as we have learned to bring an umbrella to Texoma!  Would like to=20=
give the=20
opportunity for Section leaders and club members to share progress in their=20
areas. =A0 Rising tide elevates all boats.

Also, our PRB-1 bill has been submitted to the OK Legislature.  This bill=20
requires ordinances to reasonably accommodate Amateur Radio Communication an=
d=20
Antennas.  The bill is being prefiled as this is an advantage when the next=20
session convenes in 2004.  20 other states have passed this legislation.  It=
 is=20
time to make connect with your state legislators to talk up Amateur Radio. A=
 copy=20
of the proposed bill is available via email. =20

Hpe your team wins in the World Series and this weekend!

73, John-WB5SYT
OK Section Manager


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 24 22:51:35 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:51:35 EDT
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Solar Event
Message-ID: <24.47fa0d83.2ccaf8e7@aol.com>

 strong geomagnetic storm with the potential to
affect electrical grids and satellite communications
was expected to hit Earth today. One of the largest
sunspot clusters in years developed over the past
three days and early Wednesday produced a coronal mass
ejection, similar to a solar flare, forecasters at the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.
The disturbance was expected to result in a
geomagnetic storm with an aurora visible as far south
as Illinois and New York. 

More here:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2003/s2104.htm
http://www.spaceweather.com


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 27 12:22:54 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Mark D. Conklin N7XYO)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:22:54 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Texoma Hamfest, Etc.
References: <25.3fcfd13f.2cc96529@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005301c39c85$0c6a91c0$60c214d0@olp.net>

John,

Who Introduced the bill PRB-1?  Who are the OK Legislatures intrudcine this?

73 Mark N7XYO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Wb5syt@aol.com>
To: <arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Texoma Hamfest, Etc.


Hello OK Section:

This weekend is the Texoma Hamarama at the Lodge in Kingston, OK.

Quite a list of good programs, vendors and flea market to be enjoyed by all.
Look forward to seeing many Section members at the Hamfest. Effort is
underway to work in a League forum. Be looking and listening for the
opportunity to
get an update on Section happenings. Hpe to see many of you.....drive
carefully as we have learned to bring an umbrella to Texoma!  Would like to
give the
opportunity for Section leaders and club members to share progress in their
areas. Rising tide elevates all boats.

Also, our PRB-1 bill has been submitted to the OK Legislature.  This bill
requires ordinances to reasonably accommodate Amateur Radio Communication
and
Antennas.  The bill is being prefiled as this is an advantage when the next
session convenes in 2004.  20 other states have passed this legislation.  It
is
time to make connect with your state legislators to talk up Amateur Radio. A
copy
of the proposed bill is available via email.

Hpe your team wins in the World Series and this weekend!

73, John-WB5SYT
OK Section Manager


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 28 12:25:34 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:25:34 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
References: <20031028090223.DB942328C16@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <3F9E603E.5040103@ureach.com>


arrl-ok-request@mailman.qth.net wrote:

> 
> John,
> 
> Who Introduced the bill PRB-1?  Who are the OK Legislatures intrudcine this?
> 
> 73 Mark N7XYO
> 

Mark,

http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/

is the web site to use to track any legislation through the process.

SB-389 poses, IMO, some harm to amateur radio operators.  This bill, if 
passed in its current form, may prohibit amateur radio operators from 
installing even the most primitive of antenna supports without a permit 
from the Department of Environmental Quality.  As you are aware, these 
antennas are necessary for the support of our Citizens during a 
disaster, ex. the ice storm of a few years back.

The bill is sponsored by Shurden in the Senate and Leist in the House.

IMO, the bill needs verbiage to exempt licensed amateur radio operators. 
  For example,

C.	No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio 
operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the 
structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities are 
required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio 
operators registered and participating with their local emergency 
management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.

D.	No structures in place when the bill is passed will be required to 
submit to the provisions of the bill.

That verbiage would do two things.  One it would grant the greatest 
protection to the amateur radio operator while, at the same time, 
fostering a support to the local EMA.  At the same time, it would foster 
protection to existing structures.

I would encourage each person to contact their legislator, in writing 
and by phone, to encourage some minor change to the bill.  You can find 
your legislator by clicking the bottom link of the middle section of the 
page mentioned.

Just my two cents.

Let me know how more I can help.



-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
    When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.



From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 28 13:53:58 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (EXT-Reimer, Jim D)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:53:58 -0800
Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
Message-ID: <3DD6433F08A5A145AD7DA03566BDBFAF1419BF@xch-sw-06.sw.nos.boeing.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lloyd Colston [mailto:kc5fm@ureach.com]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: EXT-Reimer, Jim D
> Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389

<snip>

>=20
> http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/
>=20
> is the web site to use to track any legislation through the process.
>=20
> SB-389 poses, IMO, some harm to amateur radio operators. =20
> This bill, if=20
> passed in its current form, may prohibit amateur radio operators from=20
> installing even the most primitive of antenna supports=20
> without a permit=20
> from the Department of Environmental Quality.  As you are=20
> aware, these=20
> antennas are necessary for the support of our Citizens during a=20
> disaster, ex. the ice storm of a few years back.
>=20

<snip>

First, I wonder why they changed the permitting agency from the
Corporation Commission (as introduced), to DEQ (floor version).
Guess it doesn't really matter, though.

If you'll re-read the definitions contained in the bill, I think
you'll see that the intent is to regulate only commercial antennas,
not every TV, ham, or CB antenna that gets put up out in the
country.  The whole thing, though, seems poorly worded with some
built-in loop holes - if we could get them to just clarify the
existing language, I don't think there'd be any problems.

-jdr-
WA5RRH

From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 28 18:37:47 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:37:47 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] [Fwd: [EM] Solar Flare Day 4 from a ham radio club mailing list]
Message-ID: <3F9EB77B.5020702@ureach.com>




Major Flare Today: Sun Kicks Up Biggest Storm in Years
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 10:20 am ET
28 October 2003

Updated at 11:29 a.m. EST

The Sun today unleashed what appears to be the third most powerful flare
in
recorded history, a storm of charged particles that could hit Earth
midday
Wednesday with more effect than any since 1989, when power was knocked
out to
an entire Canadian province.

Depending on the storm's magnetic orientation, it could set off a
dramatic
display of colorful northern lights well into mid-latitudes of the
United
States and Europe.

<http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solar_flare_031028.html>


=====
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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 02:19:41 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Jim Glover)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:19:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
In-Reply-To: <3F9E603E.5040103@ureach.com> from "Lloyd Colston" at Oct 28, 2003 06:25:34 AM
Message-ID: <20031029021941.B9502146C5@mail.okcforum.org>

>   For example,
> 
> C.	No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio 
> operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the 
> structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities are 
> required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio 
> operators registered and participating with their local emergency 
> management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.
> 

Whoa!!!!

I am absolutely floored to see the suggestion that exemption from
antenna-hindering legislation be afforded only hams who are affiliated
with EM or ARES.  I am both shocked and dismayed to see that someone
has that sort of narrow view concerning which sorts of hams are worth
protecting from legal impediments to operating an amateur radio station.
Legislation of the sort proposed here would make second-class hams out
of non ARES/EM members, in that they would not have the same right to
put up good antennas that ARES/EM members might have.

Please consider these scenarios (using fictional names, but describing
situations which could easily apply to many hams' lives):

Joe Ham is a new ham.  He's busy learning things, like how to get a
basic station on the air, how to participate in routine QSO's, in
nets, in repeater round-tables, how to make antennas, and theory and
maybe Morse code for an upgrade.  Joe's finding the nets the most
fun, followed closely by ragchew, but really has no idea what will
interest him in the future.  If we had the necessary crystal ball,
we could see that in 5-10 years, Joe, now more experienced, and
feeling confident about his ability to operate properly under even
the most stressful conditions, will decide it's time to look seriously
at getting involved in public service.  For now, though, he's busy
just getting to know the hobby.

Mary has been a ham for years, and has held a general class license
for almost that long.  A busy wife, mother, and career woman, Mary
has very little time to get on the air, and spends what little time
she has chasing DX.  She's not involved in any sort of emergency
preparedness, but she buys a new radio every few years, and pays dues
to her local club and the ARRL.  Good fortune willing, we will never
have to find out, but it just so happens that in the event of the
sort of catastrophe that might wipe out communications over much
of the North American continent, her knowledge of propagation could
quite possibly prove invaluable.  (Of course, she'd have a hard time
developing that skill in the first place without a decent antenna
and support system for it.)  Without her and thousands like her,
amateur radio would have fewer manufacturers making ham gear, less
influence to support things like spectrum protection legislation, and
a smaller, weaker, national organization.

Bob has held an extra class for even longer than Mary, but gets on
the air very little.  He's too busy reading technical journals and
tinkering with computers and circuitry.  When he decides to try to
get on the air and do some experimenting, he discovers that he
doesn't belong to one of the qualifying groups which would lend him
the credibility necessary in the eyes of the law to qualify for
having an antenna up.  Discouraged, he decides to sell his ham
equipment, and let his license lapse.  He continues to work on his
research, and eventually develops an ingenious method of filtering
that virtually makes BPL interference disappear.  Rather than write
his article for QST, providing amateur radio a bright glimmer of
hope in the midst of its downward spiral after the onslaught of the
BPL disaster, he instead submits his idea to the US military, who
quietly sits on it.

Jerry is 75 years old, and has been a ham for over 50 years.  For
over three decades of that 50 years, he was involved in some sort
of public service.  On 11 different occasions, he responded to
tornadoes, floods, and other natural disasters by leaving his job
and family behind to assist with emergency communications in the
stricken areas.  His health no longer permits that level of
involvement, but his greatest joy in retirement is getting on 40M
CW at night, and 20M CW during the day, to keep in touch with
friends and make new ones.  Some of the guys at the local club
have been helping Jerry maintain his tower and antennas, but they're
not sure they should go on doing so since, technically, Jerry is no
longer qualified to have a tower up.

Do you really want to exclude Joe, Mary, Bob and Jerry from fully
participating in amateur radio, just because they don't happen to
belong to ARES, or whatever?  Do you really believe that hams who
are members of emergency preparedness organizations are the only
ones who deserve accommodation?  Do you think that hams who'd rather
devote their time to building equipment, modeling antennas, studying
propagation, working contests, maintaining repeaters, working EME,
working meteor scatter, writing articles, or educating the next
generation of hams, don't deserve the right to erect antennas and
support structures, unless they devote some of their time to some
emergency preparedness organization instead?

Do you really believe that's what's best for ham radio?

Everyone, please do support accommodations for amateur radio in any
legislation which aims to restrict the building of antennas or
their support structures.  However, please do not even *think* of
limiting this support to hams who belong to any particular type of
additional organization, such as RACES.  Let's support the right
for *all* hams to build and maintain effective amateur radio
stations.

73,
Jim  WB5UDE

From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 02:44:26 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Kim Elmore)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:44:26 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
In-Reply-To: <20031029021941.B9502146C5@mail.okcforum.org>
References: <3F9E603E.5040103@ureach.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031028202831.02738428@129.15.69.4>

Jim hits the nail right on the head here.  It is not appropriate to judge=20
which hams are Worthy and which are Unworthy based upon their=20
activities.  The rationale for the Amateur Radio Service is quite clearly=20
elucidated within the FCC regulations.  If you have perhaps lost sight of=20
this, I'll remind you:

=A797.1 Basis and purpose.

The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur=20
radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following=20
principles:

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the=
=20
public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly=20
with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to=20
contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules=20
which provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical=
=20
phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of=
=20
trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance=20
international goodwill.

I hope this sounds familiar. Limiting protection to the "right" amateurs=20
who participate in "worthy" activities is wrongheaded in the=20
extreme.  *ANY* amateur licensee must be subject to to the same protections.

While the proposed wording was almost certainly well-intentioned, it's=20
simply wrong-headed. Amateur radio is a marvelously diverse service and=20
this diversity is key to our survival; everything we do must keep in mind=20
preserving and encouraging this diversity.

Kim Elmore, N5OP

                           Kim Elmore, Ph.D.
                        University of Oklahoma
         Cooperative Institute for Mesoscale Meteorological Studies
"All of weather is divided into three parts: Yes, No, and Maybe. The
greatest of these is Maybe" The original Latin appears to be garbled.





At 06:19 PM 10/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >   For example,
> >
> > C.    No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio
> > operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the
> > structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities are
> > required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio
> > operators registered and participating with their local emergency
> > management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.
> >
>
>Whoa!!!!
>
>I am absolutely floored to see the suggestion that exemption from
>antenna-hindering legislation be afforded only hams who are affiliated
>with EM or ARES.  I am both shocked and dismayed to see that someone
>has that sort of narrow view concerning which sorts of hams are worth
>protecting from legal impediments to operating an amateur radio station.
>Legislation of the sort proposed here would make second-class hams out
>of non ARES/EM members, in that they would not have the same right to
>put up good antennas that ARES/EM members might have.
>
>Please consider these scenarios (using fictional names, but describing
>situations which could easily apply to many hams' lives):
>
>Joe Ham is a new ham.  He's busy learning things, like how to get a
>basic station on the air, how to participate in routine QSO's, in
>nets, in repeater round-tables, how to make antennas, and theory and
>maybe Morse code for an upgrade.  Joe's finding the nets the most
>fun, followed closely by ragchew, but really has no idea what will
>interest him in the future.  If we had the necessary crystal ball,
>we could see that in 5-10 years, Joe, now more experienced, and
>feeling confident about his ability to operate properly under even
>the most stressful conditions, will decide it's time to look seriously
>at getting involved in public service.  For now, though, he's busy
>just getting to know the hobby.
>
>Mary has been a ham for years, and has held a general class license
>for almost that long.  A busy wife, mother, and career woman, Mary
>has very little time to get on the air, and spends what little time
>she has chasing DX.  She's not involved in any sort of emergency
>preparedness, but she buys a new radio every few years, and pays dues
>to her local club and the ARRL.  Good fortune willing, we will never
>have to find out, but it just so happens that in the event of the
>sort of catastrophe that might wipe out communications over much
>of the North American continent, her knowledge of propagation could
>quite possibly prove invaluable.  (Of course, she'd have a hard time
>developing that skill in the first place without a decent antenna
>and support system for it.)  Without her and thousands like her,
>amateur radio would have fewer manufacturers making ham gear, less
>influence to support things like spectrum protection legislation, and
>a smaller, weaker, national organization.
>
>Bob has held an extra class for even longer than Mary, but gets on
>the air very little.  He's too busy reading technical journals and
>tinkering with computers and circuitry.  When he decides to try to
>get on the air and do some experimenting, he discovers that he
>doesn't belong to one of the qualifying groups which would lend him
>the credibility necessary in the eyes of the law to qualify for
>having an antenna up.  Discouraged, he decides to sell his ham
>equipment, and let his license lapse.  He continues to work on his
>research, and eventually develops an ingenious method of filtering
>that virtually makes BPL interference disappear.  Rather than write
>his article for QST, providing amateur radio a bright glimmer of
>hope in the midst of its downward spiral after the onslaught of the
>BPL disaster, he instead submits his idea to the US military, who
>quietly sits on it.
>
>Jerry is 75 years old, and has been a ham for over 50 years.  For
>over three decades of that 50 years, he was involved in some sort
>of public service.  On 11 different occasions, he responded to
>tornadoes, floods, and other natural disasters by leaving his job
>and family behind to assist with emergency communications in the
>stricken areas.  His health no longer permits that level of
>involvement, but his greatest joy in retirement is getting on 40M
>CW at night, and 20M CW during the day, to keep in touch with
>friends and make new ones.  Some of the guys at the local club
>have been helping Jerry maintain his tower and antennas, but they're
>not sure they should go on doing so since, technically, Jerry is no
>longer qualified to have a tower up.
>
>Do you really want to exclude Joe, Mary, Bob and Jerry from fully
>participating in amateur radio, just because they don't happen to
>belong to ARES, or whatever?  Do you really believe that hams who
>are members of emergency preparedness organizations are the only
>ones who deserve accommodation?  Do you think that hams who'd rather
>devote their time to building equipment, modeling antennas, studying
>propagation, working contests, maintaining repeaters, working EME,
>working meteor scatter, writing articles, or educating the next
>generation of hams, don't deserve the right to erect antennas and
>support structures, unless they devote some of their time to some
>emergency preparedness organization instead?
>
>Do you really believe that's what's best for ham radio?
>
>Everyone, please do support accommodations for amateur radio in any
>legislation which aims to restrict the building of antennas or
>their support structures.  However, please do not even *think* of
>limiting this support to hams who belong to any particular type of
>additional organization, such as RACES.  Let's support the right
>for *all* hams to build and maintain effective amateur radio
>stations.
>
>73,
>Jim  WB5UDE
>______________________________________________________
>___________________ Information __________________________
>ARRL Oklahoma Section Manager - John Thomason, WB5SYT wb5syt@arrl.org
>Oklahoma Section Web page http://www.qsl.net/wb5syt/index.html
>
>
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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 02:50:17 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Jim Reimer)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:50:17 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
In-Reply-To: <20031029021941.B9502146C5@mail.okcforum.org>
References: <3F9E603E.5040103@ureach.com> from "Lloyd Colston" at Oct 28, 2003
 06:25:34 AM <20031029021941.B9502146C5@mail.okcforum.org>
Message-ID: <2292351829.20031028205017@wa5rrh.org>

Jim wrote: 

>>   For example,
>> 
>> C.	No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio 
>> operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the
>> structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities are
>> required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio
>> operators registered and participating with their local emergency 
>> management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.
>> 

> Whoa!!!!

<snip snip snip>

I agree - why just ARES folks?

---however---

Look at the language above.  Communities?  Read the bill.  If you're
in an area covered by "community" zoning, the bill does *not* apply
to you.  It only applies to areas outside of communities, (i.e.
"rural" areas) and *appears* to only apply to commercial concerns.

-jdr-



From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 04:49:00 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Kim Elmore)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:49:00 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] RTTY Signal near 10132 kHz?
In-Reply-To: <2292351829.20031028205017@wa5rrh.org>
References: <20031029021941.B9502146C5@mail.okcforum.org>
 <3F9E603E.5040103@ureach.com>
 <20031029021941.B9502146C5@mail.okcforum.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031028224443.026fdd68@129.15.69.4>

Curiosity has gotten the better of me and after all this time I have to 
ask: Does anyone know what the RTTY signal around 10132 kHz is?  I've tried 
all sorts of ways to decode it with no success.  I don't expect it to 
necessarily make sense (it's almost certainly encrypted), but I haven't 
found any combination that acts as if I'm decoding the characters properly. 
It's 850 Hz shift and so probably government/military.  It's quite strong 
and so probably originating in NA, ands it's there every night and quite 
possibly 24/7.

What is it?

Kim Elmore, N5OP


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 12:35:10 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:35:10 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Verbiage
Message-ID: <3F9FB3FE.7050406@ureach.com>

So you don't like ARES, RACES, MARS being appreciated in a bill to 
protect amateur radio stations from being penalized ... in short, Mary, 
Bill and all the rest would be subject to the bill ... it just reads too 
broadly.

What does it take to be involved in RACES, ARES, etc.?  In this County, 
one form and a checkin on a two meter net once in a while.  Of course, 
you can do more.  During a disaster, it makes more sense to know that I 
have a potential resource right next door than to bring resources in 
from two counties away.  As it stands now, with a ham population of 100 
locally, I have 10 on the roster.

The issue is the bill.  I focused on the public service aspect of 
amateur radio.  I hope you take the same time it took to reply to my 
message blasting my choice of words to contact your legislator to 
support the hams who are not affiliated.  My letter is not intended to 
disparage anyone.  It is intended to bring to the Legislator an issue 
that concerns me and hook it to Homeland Security, an issue he will 
understand, in simple language.

My apologies to anyone I have offended.

Let me know how more I can help.

-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
    When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.



From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 14:04:16 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Jim Glover)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:04:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Verbiage
In-Reply-To: <3F9FB3FE.7050406@ureach.com> from "Lloyd Colston" at Oct 29, 2003 06:35:10 AM
Message-ID: <20031029140416.7A71B146BE@mail.okcforum.org>

> So you don't like ARES, RACES, MARS being appreciated in a bill to 
> protect amateur radio stations from being penalized

I didn't, and wouldn't, say that!  Although I can't see how it belongs
in a bill destined to become a law, rather than in a resolution, I'd
have no problem with ARES, RACES, and MARS being "appreciated."  What
you asked for went way beyond appreciation.  It called for limiting
the full protection of the law to members of such groups.  That is
what I'd have a problem with.

I certainly meant no disrespect for ARES, RACES, or MARS.

> What does it take to be involved in RACES, ARES, etc.?  In this County, 
> one form and a checkin on a two meter net once in a while.  Of course, 
> you can do more. 

It doesn't take a whole lot to be involved in lots of different
activities.  I'm vice-president of a local repeater club, helping in
that role to keep multiple wide-coverage repeaters on the air and
available for emergencies.  I frequently serve as net control for a
Thursday-evening "Tech Net" where hams have the opportunity to share
their knowledge (usually, everyone learns at least a little something)
and have fun while learning to participate in nets.

Being a member of RACES, ARES, etc. simply isn't the only valid way
to support amateur radio's emergency preparedness role.  Hams who
contribute to the hobby/service in any meaningful way help keep it
strong.  Only a strong hobby/service is of any use to any of us,
including those who wish to focus on emergency preparedness.

> During a disaster, it makes more sense to know that I 
> have a potential resource right next door than to bring resources in 
> from two counties away.  As it stands now, with a ham population of 100 
> locally, I have 10 on the roster.

You know, I do have some concern about this.  Currently, I devote
my Thursday evenings to Tech Net, which takes 1.5 - 2 hours.  The
net used to begin at 8:00 PM, as did the local ARES net, on another
repeater.  We worked out an agreement with them whereby we moved
our start time up to 8:30, and they moved theirs back to 7:30, so
that there would be less conflict between the two nets.  Sometimes
their net lasts a little past when ours begins, but we welcome late
check-ins, so that's no problem for people who want to participate
in both nets.  

I keep telling myself I should get in the habit of checking into
the ARES net.  I haven't gotten around to it yet, though.  When I
do, my family will barely see me at all every Thursday evening.
Since I normally do the cooking around here, they'd really miss
that!  Due to a physical limitation, my wife has historically 
had a difficult time cooking, but she had surgery recently and
should soon be able to take that over for me.  That would be one
less reason not to go ahead and devote more of each Thursday
evening to amateur radio than I do now.

Now, I know I should go ahead and participate in ARES nets, and
that my doing so would help the leadership of ARES know I'd be
available in an emergency, and would help me be more familiar
with the way ARES operates.  However, I reject the notion that
only those who are card-carrying members of ARES can be useful
in emergencies.  Putting aside the fact that everyone who
contributes to the hobby/service helps make us all stronger, it
remains my strong conviction that people who aren't members of
ARES, RACES, or whatnot can still contribute in emergencies.

When the May 3, 1999 tornadoes happened, I was asleep.  I'd
been missing a lot of sleep, and had gone to bed early, without
even checking the weather.  The storm took me by surprise!  But
the next morning, at daybreak, I was on the air, looking for a
way to contribute.  The ARES-sponsored net I offered my services
to told me that they had no use for anyone who'd not been involved
in emergency training, and that I might as well just go away
and think about getting some training before the *next*
disaster hit.  The club I belong to, though, was providing a
net to support communications between the Red Cross sites in
OKC, including their temporary posts out in the stricken areas,
some without adequate means of communication otherwise.  The
guy who'd been net control overnight needed to go to work, so
I took over net control.  I was able to get some time off from
work, so I devoted the next few days to being net control for
that net.  The Red Cross asked for 50 volunteers to provide
ham radio communication in support of their damage assessment
efforts that weekend.  First, I asked that ARES group (the one
who'd turned me down).  Sorry, but, no more trained hams to
devote to even a worthy cause.  The Red Cross would be on
their own, I was told.  So, we put the word out, and by the
end of the week, had 50 volunteers.  I ended up being the
liaison between the Red Cross and the volunteer hams who were
helping out in this effort.  I stayed in that role for the
next two weeks.  The Red Cross continued to ask for our help,
and expressed gratitude for what some of the Red Cross national
volunteers described as one of the best amateur radio support
efforts they'd seen.  Not bad for a bunch of un-trained
volunteers, huh?

I recognize the value of emergency preparedness training
during the calm times between emergencies.  I recognize the
value of a well-coordinated group who have a well-rehearsed
response they're ready to provide at a moment's notice.  I
applaud those who devote themselves to making that sort of
thing a part of the amateur radio hobby/service.  However, I
reject the notion that only those who belong to groups which
focus on emergency preparedness are doing their part to help
keep the amateur radio hobby/service ready to be useful in
emergencies.

> The issue is the bill.  I focused on the public service aspect of 
> amateur radio.  I hope you take the same time it took to reply to my 
> message blasting my choice of words to contact your legislator to 
> support the hams who are not affiliated.  My letter is not intended to 
> disparage anyone.  It is intended to bring to the Legislator an issue 
> that concerns me and hook it to Homeland Security, an issue he will 
> understand, in simple language.

I understand that the issue is the bill.  I responded because I
believe the modifications to the bill which you proposed would
injure amateur radio.  I understand that emphasizing the connection
between amateur radio and emergency preparedness will help those
who write our laws appreciate the value of our hobby/service.
However, the place for that emphasis is in our letters, phone
calls and email to our representatives, not in restrictions on
which hams the bill as ultimately written would actually protect!

> My apologies to anyone I have offended.

You alarmed me, even "shocked and dismayed" me...but certainly
didn't offend me!  :)  Don't worry... I have pretty thick skin.

> Let me know how more I can help.

I'm glad you asked.

I'd imagine it would be helpful if every call for support of a
particular piece of legislation (or calls like this one, to
suggest modifications to proposed legislation) would provide
information about how to identify one's representatives, and
contact them.  That way, those inclined to respond can do so
without having to look elsewhere to research those important
details.

Thanks very much for your support of amateur radio!

73,
Jim  WB5UDE

From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 15:32:54 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Kim Elmore)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:32:54 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Verbiage
In-Reply-To: <3F9FB3FE.7050406@ureach.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031029091800.0857d708@129.15.69.4>

Hi Lloyd,

At 06:35 AM 10/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>So you don't like ARES, RACES, MARS being appreciated in a bill to protect 
>amateur radio stations from being penalized ... in short, Mary, Bill and 
>all the rest would be subject to the bill ... it just reads too broadly.

I don't see how you read that into what has been written.  What I and 
another object to is identifying a subgroup within the amateur service as 
particularly deserving of protection. This is a slippery slope the amateur 
service cannot afford to go down.

A resolution of appreciation is very different from a written law. your 
intentions are no doubt good, but they would have what amount to unintended 
consequences that could be potentially very harmful to the amateur service. 
Never underestimate this possibility; having lived in Boulder County, CO, 
I've seen exactly this sort of thing blow up in amateur's faces and once 
the fuse is lit, there's no going back.

>What does it take to be involved in RACES, ARES, etc.?  In this County, 
>one form and a checkin on a two meter net once in a while.  Of course, you 
>can do more.  During a disaster, it makes more sense to know that I have a 
>potential resource right next door than to bring resources in from two 
>counties away.  As it stands now, with a ham population of 100 locally, I 
>have 10 on the roster.
>
>The issue is the bill.  I focused on the public service aspect of amateur 
>radio.

That's fine!  Wonderful, in fact! Public service is our most visible 
contribution to those outside the service. My point is that your particular 
focus should be a preamble to why you want the bill changed and should not 
be part of the bill itself. You focus is eminently appropriate, but should 
not be contained within the bill itself.

>I hope you take the same time it took to reply to my message blasting my 
>choice of words to contact your legislator to support the hams who are not 
>affiliated.

You bet!

>My letter is not intended to disparage anyone.

Clearly not, but your *intent* cannot be deduced from the wording you 
proposed. Someone without your good will and knowledge might (and probably 
would) interpret the wording in a way that would ultimately be harmful to 
the amateur service.

>It is intended to bring to the Legislator an issue that concerns me and 
>hook it to Homeland Security, an issue he will understand, in simple language.

Your motivation is laudable and unassailable. Such motivation belongs in a 
preamble, not in the bill itself.

>My apologies to anyone I have offended.

No apology needed, Lloyd.  I'm not in the least offended by what you wrote 
or by your intent. I'm simply counseling care and deliberation.  Remember: 
no good deed goes unpunished.

Kim Elmore, N5OP
Technical Specialist, ARRL

                           Kim Elmore, Ph.D.
                        University of Oklahoma
         Cooperative Institute for Mesoscale Meteorological Studies
"All of weather is divided into three parts: Yes, No, and Maybe. The
greatest of these is Maybe" The original Latin appears to be garbled.


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 16:47:51 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (M. Schneider)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:47:51 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Re: Verbiage
Message-ID: <003701c39e3c$676e15c0$65eaa2cd@msokla>

I would suggest the following as a more acceptable wording:


C.  REGULATION OF AMATEUR RADIO ANTENNAS.

     (1)  A municipality or county may not enact or enforce an ordinance or
            order that does not comply with the ruling of the Federal
            Communications Commission in "Amateur Radio Preemption, 101 FCC
2nd
            952 (1985)" or a regulation related to amateur radio service
            adopted under 47 C.F.R. Part 97.

    (2)  If a municipality or county adopts an ordinance or order
           involving the placement, screening, or height of an amateur radio
           antenna based on health, safety, or aesthetic conditions, the
           ordinance or order must:
               (a)  reasonably accommodate amateur communications; and
               (b)  represent the minimal practicable regulation to
           accomplish the municipality's or county's legitimate purpose.

   (3)  This section does not prohibit a municipality or county
          from taking any action to protect or preserve a historic,
          historical, or architectural district that is established by the
          municipality or county or under state or federal law.

   (4)  Private land use documents, commonly referred to as CC&Rs
          (Codes, Covenants & Restrictions), may not be enforced where
           such enforcement would conflict with the intent of 1 or 2 above

   (5)  Amateur radio structures in place when the bill is passed would
          be exempt from the provisions of the bill.


Note:  Sections 1, 2,  & 3 are taken from a bill passed by the Texas
legislature, pretty much word for word.  I added Section 4, and Section 5 is
reworded from Lloyd's original post.  Obviously, someone with legal training
should check the wording, especially Sec. 4, to make sure it would stand up
in a court.

(Note to John, WB5SYT:  I believe we have a legal rep for the OK ARRL area,
Larry Hazelwood, W5NZS.  Perhaps you could run this past him?)

Then, we could see about a letter-writing campaign to our representatives.


Mark Schneider - K5MAR
Asst. EC, Payne County, OK ARES


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 13:54:08 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Craig Roberts)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:54:08 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Re: ARRL-OK digest, Vol 4 #146 - 7 msgs
References: <20031029090239.24260328C80@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <003901c39e24$1fa2cc80$6401a8c0@users66r060bt1>

These people are whining about your and my efforts, but they are not making
any efforts of their own to contact their reps.

The reply to them is to complain about the bill and try to have it stopped.
Or to add more verbiage to include their concerns.  Not knock those of us
who are in the arena and fighting already.


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(Lloyd Colston)
>    4. Re: SB-389 (Jim Glover)
>    5. Re: SB-389 (Kim Elmore)
>    6. Re: SB-389 (Jim Reimer)
>    7. RTTY Signal near 10132 kHz? (Kim Elmore)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:25:34 -0600
> From: Lloyd Colston <kc5fm@ureach.com>
> To: okham@mailman.qth.net, okham@yahoogroups.com,
> neoksimplex@yahoogroups.com, mchams@yahoogroups.com,
> arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net, OK-Mars@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
> Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
>
>
>
> arrl-ok-request@mailman.qth.net wrote:
>
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Who Introduced the bill PRB-1?  Who are the OK Legislatures intrudcine
this?
> >
> > 73 Mark N7XYO
> >
>
> Mark,
>
> http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/
>
> is the web site to use to track any legislation through the process.
>
> SB-389 poses, IMO, some harm to amateur radio operators.  This bill, if
> passed in its current form, may prohibit amateur radio operators from
> installing even the most primitive of antenna supports without a permit
> from the Department of Environmental Quality.  As you are aware, these
> antennas are necessary for the support of our Citizens during a
> disaster, ex. the ice storm of a few years back.
>
> The bill is sponsored by Shurden in the Senate and Leist in the House.
>
> IMO, the bill needs verbiage to exempt licensed amateur radio operators.
>   For example,
>
> C. No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio
> operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the
> structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities are
> required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio
> operators registered and participating with their local emergency
> management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.
>
> D. No structures in place when the bill is passed will be required to
> submit to the provisions of the bill.
>
> That verbiage would do two things.  One it would grant the greatest
> protection to the amateur radio operator while, at the same time,
> fostering a support to the local EMA.  At the same time, it would foster
> protection to existing structures.
>
> I would encourage each person to contact their legislator, in writing
> and by phone, to encourage some minor change to the bill.  You can find
> your legislator by clicking the bottom link of the middle section of the
> page mentioned.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Let me know how more I can help.
>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> Lloyd Colston Mayes County CEM
> Pryor, OK USA http://www.geocities.com/mccem
>     When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Subject: RE: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:53:58 -0800
> From: "EXT-Reimer, Jim D" <jim.d.reimer@boeing.com>
> To: <arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net>
> Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lloyd Colston [mailto:kc5fm@ureach.com]=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:36 AM
> > To: EXT-Reimer, Jim D
> > Subject: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
>
> <snip>
>
> >=20
> > http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/
> >=20
> > is the web site to use to track any legislation through the process.
> >=20
> > SB-389 poses, IMO, some harm to amateur radio operators. =20
> > This bill, if=20
> > passed in its current form, may prohibit amateur radio operators from=20
> > installing even the most primitive of antenna supports=20
> > without a permit=20
> > from the Department of Environmental Quality.  As you are=20
> > aware, these=20
> > antennas are necessary for the support of our Citizens during a=20
> > disaster, ex. the ice storm of a few years back.
> >=20
>
> <snip>
>
> First, I wonder why they changed the permitting agency from the
> Corporation Commission (as introduced), to DEQ (floor version).
> Guess it doesn't really matter, though.
>
> If you'll re-read the definitions contained in the bill, I think
> you'll see that the intent is to regulate only commercial antennas,
> not every TV, ham, or CB antenna that gets put up out in the
> country.  The whole thing, though, seems poorly worded with some
> built-in loop holes - if we could get them to just clarify the
> existing language, I don't think there'd be any problems.
>
> -jdr-
> WA5RRH
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:37:47 -0600
> From: Lloyd Colston <kc5fm@ureach.com>
> To: okham@mailman.qth.net, okham@yahoogroups.com,
> neoksimplex@yahoogroups.com, mchams@yahoogroups.com,
> arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net, OK-Mars@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ARRL-OK] [Fwd: [EM] Solar Flare Day 4 from a ham radio club
mailing list]
> Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
>
>
>
>
>
> Major Flare Today: Sun Kicks Up Biggest Storm in Years
> By Robert Roy Britt
> Senior Science Writer
> posted: 10:20 am ET
> 28 October 2003
>
> Updated at 11:29 a.m. EST
>
> The Sun today unleashed what appears to be the third most powerful flare
> in
> recorded history, a storm of charged particles that could hit Earth
> midday
> Wednesday with more effect than any since 1989, when power was knocked
> out to
> an entire Canadian province.
>
> Depending on the storm's magnetic orientation, it could set off a
> dramatic
> display of colorful northern lights well into mid-latitudes of the
> United
> States and Europe.
>
> <http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solar_flare_031028.html>
>
>
> =====
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> Lloyd Colston Mayes County CEM
> Pryor, OK USA http://www.geocities.com/mccem
>     When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Subject: Re: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
> To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:19:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: psykey@okcforum.org (Jim Glover)
> Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
>
> >   For example,
> >
> > C. No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio
> > operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the
> > structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities are
> > required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio
> > operators registered and participating with their local emergency
> > management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.
> >
>
> Whoa!!!!
>
> I am absolutely floored to see the suggestion that exemption from
> antenna-hindering legislation be afforded only hams who are affiliated
> with EM or ARES.  I am both shocked and dismayed to see that someone
> has that sort of narrow view concerning which sorts of hams are worth
> protecting from legal impediments to operating an amateur radio station.
> Legislation of the sort proposed here would make second-class hams out
> of non ARES/EM members, in that they would not have the same right to
> put up good antennas that ARES/EM members might have.
>
> Please consider these scenarios (using fictional names, but describing
> situations which could easily apply to many hams' lives):
>
> Joe Ham is a new ham.  He's busy learning things, like how to get a
> basic station on the air, how to participate in routine QSO's, in
> nets, in repeater round-tables, how to make antennas, and theory and
> maybe Morse code for an upgrade.  Joe's finding the nets the most
> fun, followed closely by ragchew, but really has no idea what will
> interest him in the future.  If we had the necessary crystal ball,
> we could see that in 5-10 years, Joe, now more experienced, and
> feeling confident about his ability to operate properly under even
> the most stressful conditions, will decide it's time to look seriously
> at getting involved in public service.  For now, though, he's busy
> just getting to know the hobby.
>
> Mary has been a ham for years, and has held a general class license
> for almost that long.  A busy wife, mother, and career woman, Mary
> has very little time to get on the air, and spends what little time
> she has chasing DX.  She's not involved in any sort of emergency
> preparedness, but she buys a new radio every few years, and pays dues
> to her local club and the ARRL.  Good fortune willing, we will never
> have to find out, but it just so happens that in the event of the
> sort of catastrophe that might wipe out communications over much
> of the North American continent, her knowledge of propagation could
> quite possibly prove invaluable.  (Of course, she'd have a hard time
> developing that skill in the first place without a decent antenna
> and support system for it.)  Without her and thousands like her,
> amateur radio would have fewer manufacturers making ham gear, less
> influence to support things like spectrum protection legislation, and
> a smaller, weaker, national organization.
>
> Bob has held an extra class for even longer than Mary, but gets on
> the air very little.  He's too busy reading technical journals and
> tinkering with computers and circuitry.  When he decides to try to
> get on the air and do some experimenting, he discovers that he
> doesn't belong to one of the qualifying groups which would lend him
> the credibility necessary in the eyes of the law to qualify for
> having an antenna up.  Discouraged, he decides to sell his ham
> equipment, and let his license lapse.  He continues to work on his
> research, and eventually develops an ingenious method of filtering
> that virtually makes BPL interference disappear.  Rather than write
> his article for QST, providing amateur radio a bright glimmer of
> hope in the midst of its downward spiral after the onslaught of the
> BPL disaster, he instead submits his idea to the US military, who
> quietly sits on it.
>
> Jerry is 75 years old, and has been a ham for over 50 years.  For
> over three decades of that 50 years, he was involved in some sort
> of public service.  On 11 different occasions, he responded to
> tornadoes, floods, and other natural disasters by leaving his job
> and family behind to assist with emergency communications in the
> stricken areas.  His health no longer permits that level of
> involvement, but his greatest joy in retirement is getting on 40M
> CW at night, and 20M CW during the day, to keep in touch with
> friends and make new ones.  Some of the guys at the local club
> have been helping Jerry maintain his tower and antennas, but they're
> not sure they should go on doing so since, technically, Jerry is no
> longer qualified to have a tower up.
>
> Do you really want to exclude Joe, Mary, Bob and Jerry from fully
> participating in amateur radio, just because they don't happen to
> belong to ARES, or whatever?  Do you really believe that hams who
> are members of emergency preparedness organizations are the only
> ones who deserve accommodation?  Do you think that hams who'd rather
> devote their time to building equipment, modeling antennas, studying
> propagation, working contests, maintaining repeaters, working EME,
> working meteor scatter, writing articles, or educating the next
> generation of hams, don't deserve the right to erect antennas and
> support structures, unless they devote some of their time to some
> emergency preparedness organization instead?
>
> Do you really believe that's what's best for ham radio?
>
> Everyone, please do support accommodations for amateur radio in any
> legislation which aims to restrict the building of antennas or
> their support structures.  However, please do not even *think* of
> limiting this support to hams who belong to any particular type of
> additional organization, such as RACES.  Let's support the right
> for *all* hams to build and maintain effective amateur radio
> stations.
>
> 73,
> Jim  WB5UDE
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:44:26 -0600
> To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
> From: "Kim Elmore" <Kim.Elmore@noaa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
> Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
>
> Jim hits the nail right on the head here.  It is not appropriate to
judge=20
> which hams are Worthy and which are Unworthy based upon their=20
> activities.  The rationale for the Amateur Radio Service is quite
clearly=20
> elucidated within the FCC regulations.  If you have perhaps lost sight
of=20
> this, I'll remind you:
>
> =A797.1 Basis and purpose.
>
> The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an
amateur=20
> radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the
following=20
> principles:
>
> (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to
the=
> =20
> public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly=20
> with respect to providing emergency communications.
>
> (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to=20
> contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
>
> (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules=20
> which provide for advancing skills in both the communications and
technical=
> =20
> phases of the art.
>
> (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service
of=
> =20
> trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
>
> (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
enhance=20
> international goodwill.
>
> I hope this sounds familiar. Limiting protection to the "right"
amateurs=20
> who participate in "worthy" activities is wrongheaded in the=20
> extreme.  *ANY* amateur licensee must be subject to to the same
protections.
>
> While the proposed wording was almost certainly well-intentioned, it's=20
> simply wrong-headed. Amateur radio is a marvelously diverse service and=20
> this diversity is key to our survival; everything we do must keep in
mind=20
> preserving and encouraging this diversity.
>
> Kim Elmore, N5OP
>
>                            Kim Elmore, Ph.D.
>                         University of Oklahoma
>          Cooperative Institute for Mesoscale Meteorological Studies
> "All of weather is divided into three parts: Yes, No, and Maybe. The
> greatest of these is Maybe" The original Latin appears to be garbled.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 06:19 PM 10/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >   For example,
> > >
> > > C.    No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio
> > > operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the
> > > structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities
are
> > > required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio
> > > operators registered and participating with their local emergency
> > > management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.
> > >
> >
> >Whoa!!!!
> >
> >I am absolutely floored to see the suggestion that exemption from
> >antenna-hindering legislation be afforded only hams who are affiliated
> >with EM or ARES.  I am both shocked and dismayed to see that someone
> >has that sort of narrow view concerning which sorts of hams are worth
> >protecting from legal impediments to operating an amateur radio station.
> >Legislation of the sort proposed here would make second-class hams out
> >of non ARES/EM members, in that they would not have the same right to
> >put up good antennas that ARES/EM members might have.
> >
> >Please consider these scenarios (using fictional names, but describing
> >situations which could easily apply to many hams' lives):
> >
> >Joe Ham is a new ham.  He's busy learning things, like how to get a
> >basic station on the air, how to participate in routine QSO's, in
> >nets, in repeater round-tables, how to make antennas, and theory and
> >maybe Morse code for an upgrade.  Joe's finding the nets the most
> >fun, followed closely by ragchew, but really has no idea what will
> >interest him in the future.  If we had the necessary crystal ball,
> >we could see that in 5-10 years, Joe, now more experienced, and
> >feeling confident about his ability to operate properly under even
> >the most stressful conditions, will decide it's time to look seriously
> >at getting involved in public service.  For now, though, he's busy
> >just getting to know the hobby.
> >
> >Mary has been a ham for years, and has held a general class license
> >for almost that long.  A busy wife, mother, and career woman, Mary
> >has very little time to get on the air, and spends what little time
> >she has chasing DX.  She's not involved in any sort of emergency
> >preparedness, but she buys a new radio every few years, and pays dues
> >to her local club and the ARRL.  Good fortune willing, we will never
> >have to find out, but it just so happens that in the event of the
> >sort of catastrophe that might wipe out communications over much
> >of the North American continent, her knowledge of propagation could
> >quite possibly prove invaluable.  (Of course, she'd have a hard time
> >developing that skill in the first place without a decent antenna
> >and support system for it.)  Without her and thousands like her,
> >amateur radio would have fewer manufacturers making ham gear, less
> >influence to support things like spectrum protection legislation, and
> >a smaller, weaker, national organization.
> >
> >Bob has held an extra class for even longer than Mary, but gets on
> >the air very little.  He's too busy reading technical journals and
> >tinkering with computers and circuitry.  When he decides to try to
> >get on the air and do some experimenting, he discovers that he
> >doesn't belong to one of the qualifying groups which would lend him
> >the credibility necessary in the eyes of the law to qualify for
> >having an antenna up.  Discouraged, he decides to sell his ham
> >equipment, and let his license lapse.  He continues to work on his
> >research, and eventually develops an ingenious method of filtering
> >that virtually makes BPL interference disappear.  Rather than write
> >his article for QST, providing amateur radio a bright glimmer of
> >hope in the midst of its downward spiral after the onslaught of the
> >BPL disaster, he instead submits his idea to the US military, who
> >quietly sits on it.
> >
> >Jerry is 75 years old, and has been a ham for over 50 years.  For
> >over three decades of that 50 years, he was involved in some sort
> >of public service.  On 11 different occasions, he responded to
> >tornadoes, floods, and other natural disasters by leaving his job
> >and family behind to assist with emergency communications in the
> >stricken areas.  His health no longer permits that level of
> >involvement, but his greatest joy in retirement is getting on 40M
> >CW at night, and 20M CW during the day, to keep in touch with
> >friends and make new ones.  Some of the guys at the local club
> >have been helping Jerry maintain his tower and antennas, but they're
> >not sure they should go on doing so since, technically, Jerry is no
> >longer qualified to have a tower up.
> >
> >Do you really want to exclude Joe, Mary, Bob and Jerry from fully
> >participating in amateur radio, just because they don't happen to
> >belong to ARES, or whatever?  Do you really believe that hams who
> >are members of emergency preparedness organizations are the only
> >ones who deserve accommodation?  Do you think that hams who'd rather
> >devote their time to building equipment, modeling antennas, studying
> >propagation, working contests, maintaining repeaters, working EME,
> >working meteor scatter, writing articles, or educating the next
> >generation of hams, don't deserve the right to erect antennas and
> >support structures, unless they devote some of their time to some
> >emergency preparedness organization instead?
> >
> >Do you really believe that's what's best for ham radio?
> >
> >Everyone, please do support accommodations for amateur radio in any
> >legislation which aims to restrict the building of antennas or
> >their support structures.  However, please do not even *think* of
> >limiting this support to hams who belong to any particular type of
> >additional organization, such as RACES.  Let's support the right
> >for *all* hams to build and maintain effective amateur radio
> >stations.
> >
> >73,
> >Jim  WB5UDE
> >______________________________________________________
> >___________________ Information __________________________
> >ARRL Oklahoma Section Manager - John Thomason, WB5SYT wb5syt@arrl.org
> >Oklahoma Section Web page http://www.qsl.net/wb5syt/index.html
> >
> >
> >______________________________________________________
> >
> >ARRL-OK mailing list
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> >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm
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>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:50:17 -0600
> From: Jim Reimer <jdr@wa5rrh.org>
> To: Jim Glover <arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ARRL-OK] SB-389
> Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
>
> Jim wrote:
>
> >>   For example,
> >>
> >> C. No provision in this bill shall prohibit licensed amateur radio
> >> operators from installing towers on their own property so far as the
> >> structures are permitted by current zoning ordinances.  Communities are
> >> required to accomodate, in the greatest possible manner, amateur radio
> >> operators registered and participating with their local emergency
> >> management agency and/or the Amateur Radio Emergency Service.
> >>
>
> > Whoa!!!!
>
> <snip snip snip>
>
> I agree - why just ARES folks?
>
> ---however---
>
> Look at the language above.  Communities?  Read the bill.  If you're
> in an area covered by "community" zoning, the bill does *not* apply
> to you.  It only applies to areas outside of communities, (i.e.
> "rural" areas) and *appears* to only apply to commercial concerns.
>
> -jdr-
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:49:00 -0600
> To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
> From: "Kim Elmore" <Kim.Elmore@noaa.gov>
> Subject: [ARRL-OK] RTTY Signal near 10132 kHz?
> Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
>
> Curiosity has gotten the better of me and after all this time I have to
> ask: Does anyone know what the RTTY signal around 10132 kHz is?  I've
tried
> all sorts of ways to decode it with no success.  I don't expect it to
> necessarily make sense (it's almost certainly encrypted), but I haven't
> found any combination that acts as if I'm decoding the characters
properly.
> It's 850 Hz shift and so probably government/military.  It's quite strong
> and so probably originating in NA, ands it's there every night and quite
> possibly 24/7.
>
> What is it?
>
> Kim Elmore, N5OP
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> ______________________________________________________
> ___________________ Information __________________________
> ARRL Oklahoma Section Manager - John Thomason, WB5SYT wb5syt@arrl.org
> Oklahoma Section Web page
http://www.qsl.net/wb5syt/index.html_________________________________
>
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>
>
> End of ARRL-OK Digest
>
>
>


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 18:41:21 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:41:21 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Re: verbiage
References: <20031029182803.2C646328A4B@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <3FA009D1.2060904@ureach.com>


arrl-ok-request@mailman.qth.net wrote:

 > Note:  Sections 1, 2,  & 3 are taken from a bill passed by the Texas

 > (Note to John, WB5SYT:  I believe we have a legal rep for the OK ARRL 
 > area,
 > Larry Hazelwood, W5NZS.  Perhaps you could run this past him?)

 > Then, we could see about a letter-writing campaign to our
 > representatives.

Good plan!

Hate to admit anything good could come from Texas though, given their 
history of hiding out in OK.		:)

I am happy to see the list come to life!  Good discussion.

My issue with the bill goes beyond amateur radio, as you can imagine. 
The bill, as it stands now, would prohibit mobile towers, ex. COWS and 
Washington County's trailer-tower.  It could even make new installations 
at police, fire, and EMS centers subject.  It is just not good.

 From my legislators, I learned that the bill is dead for the time 
being.  It may come back later in the session.  We have some time to 
draft some really quality legislation, IF we work together.

Let me know how more I can help.



-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
    When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.



From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 18:42:57 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (D C Macdonald)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:42:57 +0000
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Re: SB-389 Verbiage
Message-ID: <Sea1-F84CGoznxWrwjv0000275e@hotmail.com>

Might I suggest that the criticism of some of the wording
made by several individuals, and the suggestion by Mark
Schneider, in particular, are simply attempts to get this
thing right the first time?

Any wording that can, in any manner, suggest preferential
treatment for one or several segments of the ham population
could be almost worse than no legislation in the long run.

In any desired legislation, the most general application
possible is to be sought by those who stand to benefit.

The wording suggested by Mark Schneider seems to me, at
least for now, to be highly desirable.  It appears to be
straightforward and clearly worded.  I suppose more verbiage
might be needed to satisfy "legal minds," but I subscribe
to the "Keep It Simple, Stupid" (K.I.S.S.) philosphy whenever
possible.  The simpler the wording, the less the likelihood for
undesirable interpretations by those whose interests are not
favorable to our own interests.

D C "Mac" Macdonald
K2GKK/5


----Original Message Follows----

From: "Craig Roberts" <centurion-ct@chouteautel.com>
Reply-To: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net
To: <arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Re: ARRL-OK digest, Vol 4 #146 - 7 msgs
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:54:08 -0600

These people are whining about your and my efforts, but they are not making
any efforts of their own to contact their reps.

The reply to them is to complain about the bill and try to have it stopped.
Or to add more verbiage to include their concerns.  Not knock those of us
who are in the arena and fighting already.

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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 29 23:35:43 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:35:43 EST
Subject: [ARRL-OK] OK Section Information
Message-ID: <d0.40c47638.2cd1a8cf@aol.com>

From: John-WB5SYT

This Saturday is the Enid Hamfest...a vy enjoyable and fun time.  We are=20
planning on having a League gathering at 10 am to go over Section happenings=
. =20
Saturday Nov 1
Contact  Tom Worth-N5LWT
enidhamfest@yahoo.com

Hpe to see many of you there.  Below is a writing prepared by Mark-K5YAC=20
which he agreed to have shared with the Section.  He does a great job of inf=
orming=20
and encouraging communication with your Congressional representatives.  Let=20
us put some energy in writing those in Congress!

Tnx, John-WB5SYT=20
----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
-------------------------------------------------
Let's get those letters going to ask for support on HR713, HR1478 and S537.

Info on these bills can be found at http://www.arrl.org/govrelations or at=20
U.S. Congress on the Internet http://thomas.loc.gov

If you want a standard letter, you can find it at the ARRL government page=20
(listed above), or you can request the text from Eddie Manley at=20
jema1@sbcglobal.net.

Updated news articles on BPL:

http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=3DWPN%2FMGArticle%2FWP=
N_Ba
sicArticle&c=3DMGArticle&cid=3D1031771762617&path=3D!news

http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=3DWPN%2FMGArticle%2FWP=
N_Ba
sicArticle&c=3DMGArticle&cid=3D1031771762771&path=3D!news

Also, I've listed addresses and phone numbers for all OK Senators and=20
Congressmen.=A0 If you prefer, you can e-mail these folks by going to their=20
web sites and clicking on the Contact section.=A0 NO EXCUSES!

Sure had a lot of fun in the CQ WW SSB test this weekend.=A0 No records=20
broken (except my own - hi hi), but lots of stations were on the air all=20
weekend.=A0 Hopefully our efforts will ensure that we can continue to enjoy=20
our hobby in the future.

73,

Mark - K5YAC


- - - - - OKLAHOMA DELEGATION CONTACT INFORMATION - - - - -


Senator Don Nickles

http://nickles.senate.gov

OKC
100 North Broadway
Suite 1820
Oklahoma City, OK 73102

Phone:(405) 231-4941

Tulsa
3310 Mid-Continent Tower
409 South Boston
Tulsa, OK 74103-4007

Phone:(918) 581-7651


Senator James Inhofe

http://inhofe.senate.gov

OKC
1900 NW Expressway, Suite 1210
Oklahoma City, OK 73118

Phone: 405-608-4381
Fax: 405-608-4120

Tulsa
1924 S. Utica Street, Suite 530
Tulsa, OK 74104-6511

Phone: 918-748-5111
Fax: 918-748-5119

Congressman John Sullivan (1)

http://sullivan.house.gov

2424 East 21st Street #510
Tulsa, OK 74114

Phone:(918) 749-0014
Fax:(918) 749-0781

Congressman Brad Carson (2)

http://carson.house.gov

403 West 1st Street, Suite 100
Claremore, OK 74017

Phone:(918) 341-9336
Fax:(918) 341-9437

Congressman Frank Lucas (3)

http://www.house.gov/lucas

720 South Husband, Suite 7
Stillwater, OK 74057

Phone:(918) 227-0354 or (405) 624-6407
Fax:(405) 624-6467

Congressman Tom Cole (4)

http://www.house.gov/cole

2420 Springer Drive, Suite 120
Norman, OK 73069

Phone:(405) 329-6500
Fax:(405) 321-7369

Congressman Ernest Istook (5)

http://www.house.gov/istook

120 N. Robinson, Suite 100
Oklahoma City, OK 73102

Phone:(405) 942-3636
Fax:(405) 942-3792


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 30 00:10:00 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:10:00 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Convergent Volunteers
Message-ID: <200310300010.TAA12273@db20a.ureach.com>

> I recognize the value of emergency preparedness training
> during the calm times between emergencies.  I recognize the
> value of a well-coordinated group who have a well-rehearsed
> response they're ready to provide at a moment's notice.  I
> applaud those who devote themselves to making that sort of
> thing a part of the amateur radio hobby/service.  However, I
> reject the notion that only those who belong to groups which
> focus on emergency preparedness are doing their part to help
> keep the amateur radio hobby/service ready to be useful in
> emergencies.

Jim, 

While I applaud your efforts with the Red Cross in May, your
thoughts speak volumes and makes some assumptions.

1) Convergent volunteers are no longer the rule in disasters. 
The only convergent volunteer on the plate any more is the
Community Emergency Response Team.  The disaster preparedness
folks learned too late on Twin Towers Day that convergent
volunteers were a liability, rather than an asset, when scores
of off-duty firefighters converged on the World Trade Center to
pay the ultimate sacrifice.  

2)  Your experience with Red Cross is because Red Cross has
their own rules and guidelines.  When they ask for volunteers,
you certainly have the right to step up to that plate.  Anything
you do brings glory or shame to them.  With lawyers waiting in
the wings to bring shame to everyone, I can't afford convergent
volunteers.  

3)  Speaking of liability, were you a volunteer with Mayes
County Emergency Management assigned to your Red Cross post and
had been injured, would Red Cross insurance have paid for your
medical care?  Mayes County covers all their volunteers, hams
and non-hams alike, because it's the right thing to do.  I can't
insure convergent volunteers.  That's just one more reason for
registering before hand.

3)  I am surely saddened to hear that an "ARES-sponsored net"
turned you down.  There are too many hams, I am sure, just like
you.  Move to Mayes County and apply
(http://lloyd.colston.com/application.htm).  After the
background check, we'll plug you in somewhere, unless, of
course, you are proven to be a terrorist.    :)

Having said that, it sounds like you have found a niche.  I know
that Red Cross needs capable volunteers.  I know a number of my
friends ... that I'd like to have in EM ... are too busy helping
Red Cross ... because they took the time to get the training
that Red Cross expects of its volunteers.  You opened to the
door.  I hope you walk through it.

4)  Your post assumes that I don't value those who "belong to
groups which focus on emergency preparedness".  That is an
incorrect assumption.  However, I build teams as I can build
teams.  If you don't want to help with EM, go enjoy DX, kit
building, scuba, anything that makes you happy.  I, myself, have
a life outside EM (most folks think otherwise though, though my
email alone would prove differently).  While I hope you would be
a part of the emergency communications programs such as the
Military Affilate Radio System, Amateur Radio Emergency
Services, or the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Services, there
is no intent to disparage anyone for what they do or don't do,
until the issue of liability arises (and it won't arise from me,
unless I am damaged <G>).

5)  Personal issues do keep folks from being involved all the
time.  Boy, do I ever know that!  I am not expecting everyone to
be their county EM director.  There's only 77 of those in the
State <G> and I know quite a few of those slots are covered by
hams.  I know I would have a hard time pulling this job along,
if I did not have the support of my wife, my family, Jesus, and
friends who help me deal with all the other stuff life throws at
me.  I know I could have forgotten about serving at the Olympics
had my coworkers not pitched in to help me with my job while I
am gone.  Your folks expect to eat; so do my clients.   :)

6)  While others are able to serve in a variety of manners,
which is just another way of saying "Being a member of RACES,
ARES, etc. simply isn't the only valid way to support amateur
radio's emergency preparedness role", certainly as a Citizen you
expect some degree of preparedness by those you expect to serve
you.  For example, if you fell off the roof and broke your leg,
you'd call 911 expecting someone to answer the phone and
dispatch competent help to assist you.  Then when they show up,
you expect them to do no harm (at least that's what I taught my
medics).  How do you know if someone performs to standards? 
Training and credentials.  Therefore, when I call for ham radio
operators from Woodward to come to Pryor because I don't have
time to find the local guy to help the Red Cross, they will, I
am assured, be trained and credentialed.

7)  You assume there is time to build a team during a disaster. 
That is rarely the case.  I can cite more examples than not of
when that assumption failed.

I don't harp the amateur radio involvement in Emergency
Management because I am a ham.  I do it because it's right.  The
"marriage", if you will, has fallen on hard times over the
years.  EMs are told the hams don't want to play, don't see the
need to play, and when they come to play don't follow the rules.
 The hams are told the EMs don't want anything to do with them. 


I am here to prove both camps wrong.  I think I am making some
progress.  Please prove me right.

Let me know how more I can help.



Lloyd Colston    Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK  USA    http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   Vigilance is the keystone of preparedness


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 30 00:15:02 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:15:02 -0500
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Legislators
Message-ID: <200310300015.TAA14529@db20a.ureach.com>

> I'd imagine it would be helpful if every call for support of
a
> particular piece of legislation (or calls like this one, to
> suggest modifications to proposed legislation) would provide
> information about how to identify one's representatives, and
> contact them.  That way, those inclined to respond can do so

Good suggestion!

I suggest a reread of 
<http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/arrl-ok/2003-October/000421.html>
would point one to the Legislative Service Bureau at
http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/

There, you can not only track the bills of interest to you but
you can also look up your State and Federal legislators.  Give a
good look to the page.  It's got more on there.

Let me know how more I can help.




Lloyd Colston    Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK  USA    http://www.geocities.com/mccem
   Vigilance is the keystone of preparedness


From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 30 02:50:34 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Jim Glover)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:50:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Convergent Volunteers
In-Reply-To: <200310300010.TAA12273@db20a.ureach.com> from "Lloyd Colston" at Oct 29, 2003 07:10:00 PM
Message-ID: <20031030025034.B6329146BE@mail.okcforum.org>

Hello again, Lloyd...

> 1) Convergent volunteers are no longer the rule in disasters. 
<snip>

If you'd asked any of the ARES folks around here on May 2, 1999,
they'd have been glad to explain that in the event of a disaster,
only ARES personnel would be useful.

Sometimes, things are only the way they are, until they become
different.

> 2)  Your experience with Red Cross is because Red Cross has
> their own rules and guidelines.  When they ask for volunteers,
> you certainly have the right to step up to that plate.  Anything
> you do brings glory or shame to them.  With lawyers waiting in
> the wings to bring shame to everyone, I can't afford convergent
> volunteers.  

That's your decision.  When disaster strikes, I'm sure no one
would argue with your right to accept or decline assistance as
you see fit.

If you don't need assistance (and the disaster is sufficiently
widespread) someone else will.

> 3)  Speaking of liability, were you a volunteer with Mayes
> County Emergency Management assigned to your Red Cross post and
> had been injured, would Red Cross insurance have paid for your
> medical care?  Mayes County covers all their volunteers, hams
> and non-hams alike, because it's the right thing to do.  I can't
> insure convergent volunteers.  That's just one more reason for
> registering before hand.

That's an excellent policy.  As you said, it's the right thing 
to do, and I think it's a very good thing that you're willing to
make it happen in your arena.  It's unfortunate that doing so
constrains your choices about from whom to accept assistance (but
I don't think it's interfering with anything you'd rather be doing
instead, so that's just as well).

> 3)  I am surely saddened to hear that an "ARES-sponsored net"
> turned you down.  There are too many hams, I am sure, just like
> you.  Move to Mayes County and apply
> (http://lloyd.colston.com/application.htm).  After the
> background check, we'll plug you in somewhere, unless, of
> course, you are proven to be a terrorist.    :)

I'd have predicted that you'd welcome qualified help!  :)

> Having said that, it sounds like you have found a niche.  I know
> that Red Cross needs capable volunteers.  I know a number of my
> friends ... that I'd like to have in EM ... are too busy helping
> Red Cross ... because they took the time to get the training
> that Red Cross expects of its volunteers.  You opened to the
> door.  I hope you walk through it.

I helped the Red Cross in the May 3, 1999 aftermath because they
were in need of help, and I was in need of someone to help.  From
my conversations with many amateur radio operators who were Red
Cross volunteers doing things other than amateur radio, I came to
understand that if I had become specifically a Red Cross volunteer,
they would have soon explained to me that they could always find
hams, but that they really needed me to train for _______ instead.
For now I'm a freelancer, but who knows--at any time I could decide
to become affiliated with ARES or Infragard or who-knows-whom.

> 4)  Your post assumes that I don't value those who "belong to
> groups which focus on emergency preparedness".  That is an
> incorrect assumption.

Likewise, your assumption that I'd assumed that you don't value 
those who belong to groups which focus on emergency preparedness
is *very much* an incorrect assumption.  I assume you must be
quoting from the following context, from my last post:

: However, I
: reject the notion that only those who belong to groups which
: focus on emergency preparedness are doing their part to help
: keep the amateur radio hobby/service ready to be useful in
: emergencies.

When I said that, I was very much assuming that you do value
those who belong to groups which focus on emergency preparedness.

Perhaps you meant to say that I assume you do *not* value those
who do *not* belong to such groups.

I really don't know if you value us, or not.  I do know that
you proposed legislation which would have afforded us *less*
protection under the law against anti-antenna forces, than you
folks who *do* belong to such groups would have been afforded.

In a lot of text I'm not quoting here, you go on to make the case
for why hams who want to be involved in emergency communications
should be trained, certified, and so forth.  You don't have to sell
me on the value of those things.  I've said before, and I'll say
again, that I understand there is substantial value to that sort
of preparation.  Frankly, I'll be a little surprised if I never
someday get around to joining one of the official emergency
preparedness groups.  Meanwhile, I have taken part in emergency
communications before, and probably will again.  Also, my ongoing
support of amateur radio contributes to the presence of a strong
foundation upon which amateur radio's public service accomplishments
of *any* sort depend.

Inasmuch as your point is that *only* those who are members of
ARES, RACES, MARS, or whatever, can be helpful in providing emergency
communications, I respectfully disagree.  It is my opinion that in
response to disasters requiring up to some level of response, you
folks who are rehearsing on a regular basis make perfect sense as
the first responders of emergency communication, and can handle the
task quite well.  It is also my opinion that when the need goes
beyond what you guys can handle, the rest of us can pitch in and
be useful, too.  It's my opinion that meanwhile, the contributions
we *all* make to amateur radio are *essential* to providing the sort
of firm foundation upon which those of you who choose to do so can
base your amateur radio emergency response programs.  Through all
of this, it is my opinion that you folks who are active members of
emergency response preparedness groups of all sorts are making an
extremely valuable and important contribution, and I applaud you.
(I really do.)

Inasmuch as your point might be that members of ARES, RACES, MARS,
or whatever really deserve a little better right in the eyes of the
law to have good antennas than the rest of us, I think you are a
serious danger to amateur radio, and I will oppose your efforts to
promote that sort of policy any way I can, and I hope others will,
too, for *everyone's* sake.  That's really the only important point
I'm trying to make.

Cheers!

...es 73...
Jim  WB5UDE

From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 30 04:45:04 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:45:04 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] re: Convergent Volunteers
Message-ID: <3FA09750.2030809@ureach.com>

"Inasmuch as your point might be that members of ARES, RACES, MARS,
or whatever really deserve a little better right in the eyes of the
law to have good antennas than the rest of us, I think you are a
serious danger to amateur radio, and I will oppose your efforts to
promote that sort of policy any way I can, and I hope others will,
too, for *everyone's* sake.  That's really the only important point
I'm trying to make."

Well, this IS an ARRL medium.  The League exists to support ALL hams, 
regardless of their interest.

While you are certainly within your right to oppose anything I do, IMO, 
it is the League that probably will put together a response to this 
issue.

I am saddened to read that you see me as a danger to amateur radio. 
I've been a ham for over 30 years.  I've seen the good, bad, and ugly in 
  and out of our hobby.  I try not to replicate anything bad for OUR 
hobby, not yours, not mine, OURS.  I have friends who work only code, 
satellite, FM, DX, RTTY, and don't feel I am dangerous.

If we can have a ham in a nursing home on the roster, I don't think I am 
all that bad.		:)

I don't think I am the enemy.  They, in this case, are the two 
legislators who have proposed potentially harmful legislation, not only 
for amateur radio operators, but also for every police, fire, and EMS 
company in the State, not to mention every GMRS, CB, and any other type 
of user you can imagine.  You state that I don't protect all hams (and 
I'll agree that what I wrote can be read that way); I contend I am 
protecting more than this bill.  Again, the issue is the bill.

I have written way too much.  From your emails, it sounds maybe like I 
have not made a friend.  I am truly sorry for that.  I again offer my 
apologies for any offense.

Let me know how more I can help.


-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
    When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.



From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 30 05:37:42 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Jim Glover)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:37:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ARRL-OK] re: Convergent Volunteers
In-Reply-To: <3FA09750.2030809@ureach.com> from "Lloyd Colston" at Oct 29, 2003 10:45:04 PM
Message-ID: <20031030053742.505ED14179@mail.okcforum.org>

Hi, Lloyd...

> I am saddened to read that you see me as a danger to amateur radio. 
> I've been a ham for over 30 years.  I've seen the good, bad, and ugly in 
>   and out of our hobby. 

I don't doubt that you are, in most respects, a good ham.  However, if
you manage to cause the adoption of legislation which creates two classes
of hams, those who have the right to erect really good antennas, and those
who are not entitled to that same right, you *will* damage amateur radio.

> I try not to replicate anything bad for OUR 
> hobby, not yours, not mine, OURS.

Just not OUR right to have good antennas?  At least, not our EQUAL right?

> If we can have a ham in a nursing home on the roster, I don't think I am 
> all that bad.		:)

I do not mean to suggest that you are all bad.  I am sure you have done
many fine things in your ham career, as have so many others.

> I don't think I am the enemy.  They, in this case, are the two 
> legislators who have proposed potentially harmful legislation, not only 
> for amateur radio operators, but also for every police, fire, and EMS 
> company in the State, not to mention every GMRS, CB, and any other type 
> of user you can imagine.

I pretty much agree with you, here.  Communication facilities generally
pay very handsome dividends for our society, and it's very foolish and
short-sighted to try to "protect" citizens from having them visible.  I
truly wish your efforts to promote sanity in allowing the structures
which could support effective communications to flourish were not tainted
by this fatal flaw.  It would be really great if there were a position
the entire amateur radio community could support.

> You state that I don't protect all hams (and 
> I'll agree that what I wrote can be read that way)

Lloyd, I do not understand.  If you agree that what you wrote can be
read that way, then why do you want it to become law?  Do you actually
want to create a situation where hams who are members of certain groups
have more of a legal right to put up good antennas than the rest of us?
And if you do not want to create such a situation, why not simply
*change* the language you are suggesting?  Why not just drop the part
about having to be active in any type of group?

If you insist on defending that language as what should be called for
to help mitigate the bad effects of this proposed legislation, then
how can we possibly conclude anything *except* that you are in favor
of offering more rights to put up good antennas to those who are part
of certain groups?

Why not just give up on that one aspect?  Why not simply change the
language of the modification you proposed so that it still calls for
the greatest possible accommodation, but for *all* hams, and not just
*some* hams?

If you won't make that change, then, yes, you *are* proposing to
protect only some hams, and not others, and you need to own up to
that.

Why wouldn't you simply endorse the inclusion of *all* hams in your
call for the greatest possible accommodation?

I simply do not understand.

73,
Jim  WB5UDE

From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 30 23:02:51 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:02:51 EST
Subject: [ARRL-OK] OKC Repeater Change
Message-ID: <1d3.137eb464.2cd2f29b@aol.com>

Greetings,

The Oklahoma City 147.210 repeater is going to be putting a 141.3 PL tone on 
the machine.  This is to combat an extreme noise issue on the repeater.  The 
repeater is located in an RF rich environment and intermod is causing .21 to 
remain keyed after the input signal drops.  There will be an announcement on the 
repeater IDer to also let folks know about the change.

Please forward this message as far and as wide as possible.

Clay Mayrose, WA6LBU
Vice President, OCAPA  


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 31 04:06:05 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:06:05 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Meeting
Message-ID: <3FA1DFAD.5060503@ureach.com>

<http://chapters.ametsoc.org/NEOCAMS/oct2003redwards.htm>

I saw Roger Edwards presentation on large venue storm hazards.

It's a real eye-opener.  I'd recommend you have him come to your forum 
for a presentation.

Let me know how more I can help.


-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
    When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.


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From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 31 12:30:26 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:30:26 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Space Photo
Message-ID: <3FA255E2.6040707@ureach.com>

<http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-7/html/iss007e18088.html>

Here's a picture of the SoCal fires as seen from the International Space 
Station.


-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
    When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.



From arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 31 12:44:50 2003
From: arrl-ok@mailman.qth.net (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:44:50 -0600
Subject: [ARRL-OK] Christian Amateur Radio page
Message-ID: <3FA25942.1070102@ureach.com>

http://www.carf.net
is the web page for the Christian Amateur Radio Fellowship.

It is relatively new.

Let me know how more I can help.

-- 


Lloyd Colston		Mayes County CEM
Pryor, OK USA		http://www.geocities.com/mccem
    When Danger comes, it is too late to plan.



