[Ares-races] "Vest" selection yet!
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On a previous post someone offered the following website as a source of safety vests and I gotta agree, it is the best so far. I'm saving my dollars for one of their jobs. www.cops911.com73 de KD5CZM Joe GuerraGood things come to those who wait.--- On Fri 07/19, < [email protected] > wrote:From: [mailto: [email protected]]To: [email protected]: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:01:07 -0400 (EDT)Subject: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #42 - 8 msgsSend ARES-RACES mailing list submissions [email protected] subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' [email protected] can reach the person managing the list [email protected] replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ARES-RACES digest..."Today's Topics:1. Re: Safety Vests (Doug Younker)2. Re: Safety Vests (Ralph Milnes)3. Re: Safety Vests (Charles Harris)4. Re: Safety Vests (Paul Cavnar)5. Re: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests ([email protected])6. Re: Safety Vests (Lowell Steele)7. RE: Safety Vests (George Brand)8. Re: Safety Vests (Doug Younker)--__--__--Message: 1From: "Doug Younker" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:13:02 -0500Organization: None what so ever----- Original Message -----From: "Howard Watson" To: "Doug Younker" ; Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:43 AMSubject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests: Yes, ARES recommends lime green, as does FEMA.:: HowardThe lime green vest available at Galls in my opinion is an attention getterand very distinct from the green in the photo of the CERT volunteers and thegreen worn by some EMS personnel in some localities.--73Doug, [email protected]__--__--Message: 2Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:10:52 -0400To: From: Ralph Milnes Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsI seem to remember that the ARRL was looking into the idea of standardizing ARES apparel, probably around a vest. I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but I seem to remember an ARRL Board resolution on this.If you're seriously thinking of creating your own vest, you might want to check with the ARRL first. Maybe Steve Ewald at the ARRL would know what's going on.73,Ralph KC2RLMChatham NJ ARES/RACES--__--__--Message: 3From: "Charles Harris" To: [email protected], [email protected]: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:17:35 -0400Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be used for non public safety volunteers. The green used by CERT and other volunteers is more of an Irish St. Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green".>From: "Doug Younker" >To: >Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:13:02 -0500>>>----- Original Message ----->From: "Howard Watson" >To: "Doug Younker" ; >Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:43 AM>Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests>>>: Yes, ARES recommends lime green, as does FEMA.>:>: Howard>>The lime green vest available at Galls in my opinion is an attention getter>and very distinct from the green in the photo of the CERT volunteers and >the>green worn by some EMS personnel in some localities.--73>Doug, N0LKK> [email protected]>>>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.>>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.>_______________________________________________>ARES-RACES mailing list>[email protected]>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races73 de KE4SKY, Regards Ed(r) 703-280-1247(w) 703-324-5224epage [email protected] to: [email protected] Member, Northern VA FM AssociationVirginia RACES State Training Officer_________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx--__--__--Message: 4From: "Paul Cavnar" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:20:25 -0700Hi Doug -> This brings me to a question that I have been wanting to ask for quit some> time. Is there a standard unique color generally accepted to identifythat> the wearer is part of an emergency communications team? How about> decals and patches,or art work other than available ARES RACES, which> IMO are not readily recognizable for their meaning by others looking forus.> --73Unfortunately, this issue has surfaced many times over the years and therehas never been a "standard" established on a national basis. What has beenthe rule is a vest or color of vest for ARES/RACES operators is designatedby the local jurisdictions and EM's. In one ares, the lime green ispreferred.In another, the fluorescent yellow. But, orange is standard in yet another.What is important is that you be in compliance with what your local EM'shave established. Many don't like volunteers wearing the same colors asthe EMT's and police. Others prefer that they be different colors so, thereis no way to really say conclusively in this forum.CERT standardized with the lime green which is good. CERT is a "national"organization under FEMA. There is no "national" organization for amateurradio volunteers except ARES and I have yet to see what they recommendas a "standard". Discussions two years ago produced what seemed to bea common color combination but, several groups across the country statedthey could not use a particular color since it belonged to law enforcementor other responders.... This is not an easy one to answer. And, yes, ifyougo into another area to assist with communications, you will need to beissued a vest or ID that complies with their standard locally.There have been several good comments on this subject and all of them arevalid and well taken. So, in conclusion, I would check with your local EM'sand see what they recommend and prefer first before buying something.73, Paul Cavnar - NN7BFormer Nevada DSRO & SEC--__--__--Message: 5From: "" To: [email protected], [email protected],"Charles Harris" Subject: Re: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:58:29 -0400Any message like this should probably include the line "in my area"=2E Police in this area that I've seen wear blue vests with hi vis stripes (when I've seen them wear any type of vest at all), and the lime (florescent) green vests is what we use for Amateur Radio ops=2E==20On a national list, definitive statements have a way of coming back to bite you (as when I stated on this list a couple of years ago, using best info available to me at the time, that the lime green was a "FEMA standard"=2E My education then began ;-) ==20The suggestion in another posting to coordinate with your local EMA is probably the best answer==2E73Randy KA=D8AZSAsst=2E EC Montgomery County Ohiowww=2Eqsl=2Enet/ohd3ares----- Original Message -----From: Charles Harris> Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be used for==20> non public safety volunteers=2E The green used by CERT and other volunteers==20> is more of an Irish St=2E Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green"=2E>=20>=20--__--__--Message: 6From: "Lowell Steele" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:00:26 -0400For all who are inquiring about ARES vests.The below questionnaire was sent by the ARRL, I have not seen any follow upfrom them, maybe they are working on a standard vest for ARES?????Bob Steele/N8HGLARRL, OES, VE, ARES/EC, SKYWARNMARS/NNN0LLLFM09bpn8hgl@arrl.net--------------------------------------------(Below message was sent in February 2002)To: ARRL Section Managers, Section Emergency Coordinators, DistrictEmergency Coordinators, Emergency CoordinatorsFrom: Steve Ewald, WV1X, ARRL Field Organization/ Public Service Teamand Bob Inderbitzen, NQ1R, ARRL Marketing CoordinatorSubject: ARES Vests and JacketsPlease note: To respond to this message, email [email protected] not click on the "reply" button when responding to this message via thelist server. Thank you.At the 2002 Annual Board of Director's Meeting, ARRL staff were tasked toresearch the possibility of developing a distinctive garment for use byAmateur Radio Emergency Service volunteers, similar to those used by RedCross volunteers.Please take a few moments to complete this questionnaire. Your responses andcomments will help determine how much interest there is in developing ARESapparel.Q1) Please tell us how many volunteers you represent if your responses tothe following questions represent the preferences of your group or club:Q2) If you had the opportunity, would you (or your ARES members) beinterested in purchasing:Vest with the ARES logo. YES/NOWindbreaker (jacket) with the ARES logo. YES/NOI am not interested in buying either option. [ ]Our preliminary investigations for vests and windbreakers indicate some ofthe following options and price ranges.VESTSOption A: Full zip, all fleece, nylon with microfleece lining (a highquality option), embroidered or screen printed. Retail $40-50.Option B: Reflective style vest, like the type you see police or runnerswearing (a basic quality option). "Bib" style. Retail $15WINDBREAKERS (jackets)Option C: Basic unlined windbreaker (a basic quality option). Retail$30-$40.Option D: Kasha lined full zip windbreaker (a high quality option). Retail$40-$50.Q3) Indicate which options (A, B, C or D) you would be most interested inbuying. Answer "none" if you are not interested in any of the options. Ifyou like more than one option, please list them in the order of preference:Do you have additional comments or suggestions that may be helpful to ourmarketing research?Please respond by March 5, 2002, to [email protected] you for your help! 73.--__--__--Message: 7Reply-To: From: "George Brand" To: Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:12:14 -0400If I understood the Great Lakes Director correctly last Saturday, this boardmeeting started this morning in Newington.George WA8SCOFor all who are inquiring about ARES vests.The below questionnaire was sent by the ARRL, I have not seen any follow upfrom them, maybe they are working on a standard vest for ARES?????Bob Steele/N8HGLARRL, OES, VE, ARES/EC, SKYWARNMARS/NNN0LLLFM09bpn8hgl@arrl.net--------------------------------------------(Below message was sent in February 2002)Subject: ARES Vests and JacketsAt the 2002 Annual Board of Director's Meeting, ARRL staff were tasked toresearch the possibility of developing a distinctive garment for use byAmateur Radio Emergency Service volunteers, similar to those used by RedCross volunteers.--__--__--Message: 8From: "Doug Younker" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:38:26 -0500Organization: None what so ever----- Original Message -----From: "Charles Harris" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:17 AMSubject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests: Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be usedfor: non public safety volunteers. The green used by CERT and other volunteers: is more of an Irish St. Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green".:/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesIn any event one would look into local conventions used by PS before goingthrough the effort and expense. Shoot; there may be conflicts using "ARESyellow", "RACES red" and "hunter safety orange. I really just want to avoidmy volunteers outfitting themselves in a manner where they would be lookedupon as "wannabes" and still have a readily visible presence. When I firstseen the survey, I thought it a fishing expedition to determine a possiblemarket.--73Doug, [email protected]__--__--_______________________________________________ARES-RACES mailing [email protected]://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesEnd of ARES-RACES Digest
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