From occupant@rushmore.com  Wed Jul 17 01:25:09 2002
From: occupant@rushmore.com (John Burch)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:25:09 -0600
Subject: [Ares-races] Magnetic Vehicle Signs?
Message-ID: <003d01c22d28$68acebe0$73b8793f@bhfc.net>

Do any of you have a source for *good* magnetic
signs that would be useful in ARES/RACES activities?

These signs would be used for identifying certain vehicles 
as those involved in the execution of emergency radio 
communications.

Thanks for your time and help with this question.

73 de John
..



From KD5PCK@cs.com  Wed Jul 17 11:49:31 2002
From: KD5PCK@cs.com (KD5PCK@cs.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:49:31 EDT
Subject: [Ares-races] magnetic vehicle signs
Message-ID: <6c.1f418ea4.2a66a5bb@cs.com>

Check out this site. There's information about magnetic signs there. There's 
also a good bit of useful information on ARES/RACES.

 <A HREF="http://www.va-ares.org/">VIRGINIA RACES</A>    www.va-ares.org 

                               73
                               Scott Hernandez
                               KD5PCK


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From smprior@att.net  Wed Jul 17 02:28:06 2002
From: smprior@att.net (Stephen Prior)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:28:06 +0100
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
Message-ID: <004201c22d31$346cfb00$4060560c@compaq>

What is a good source for reflective safety vests? I am only interested in
one at this time

Thanks
Steve
N3UYI
Chelsea AL



From kb5rvv@qsl.net  Wed Jul 17 23:29:25 2002
From: kb5rvv@qsl.net (Chuck Boyle KB5RVV)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
In-Reply-To: <004201c22d31$346cfb00$4060560c@compaq>
Message-ID: <LKEFIEOIPGIHFIABHDLJEEKCCIAA.kb5rvv@qsl.net>

Look up Police/Fire suppliers and uniform shops in your phone book. Most
will sell directly to individuals when you're not buying official items
like badges and uniforms.



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What is a good source for reflective safety vests? I am only interested in
one at this time

Thanks
Steve
N3UYI
Chelsea AL


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From marnells@snowcrest.net  Wed Jul 17 23:51:26 2002
From: marnells@snowcrest.net (Harry Marnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:51:26 -0700
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
References: <LKEFIEOIPGIHFIABHDLJEEKCCIAA.kb5rvv@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <006701c22de4$7be39120$097ba8c0@sd.cox.net>

Also try Safety Equipment & Supplies Dealers - the places that sell hard
hats, road/construction cones, vests, signs etc...

Harry / N6URU

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To: "ares-races" <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 15:29
Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


> Look up Police/Fire suppliers and uniform shops in your phone book. Most
> will sell directly to individuals when you're not buying official items
> like badges and uniforms.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ares-races-admin@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:ares-races-admin@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Prior
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:28 PM
> To: ares-races@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
>
>
> What is a good source for reflective safety vests? I am only interested in
> one at this time
>
> Thanks
> Steve
> N3UYI
> Chelsea AL
>
>
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From jdockery@erols.com  Wed Jul 17 23:47:59 2002
From: jdockery@erols.com (Jim Dockery)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:47:59 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
In-Reply-To: <004201c22d31$346cfb00$4060560c@compaq>
Message-ID: <LNBBIMJKBJDHKNPEAOFIAEIMEHAA.jdockery@erols.com>

Try http://www.galls.com.

They supply all sorts of things for police, fire and ems.  They probably
have plain vests as well.

73,

Jim Dockery
WB2HBZ
Oakland, NJ


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Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 9:28 PM
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Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


What is a good source for reflective safety vests? I am only interested in
one at this time

Thanks
Steve
N3UYI
Chelsea AL


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From KD5PCK@cs.com  Thu Jul 18 02:56:52 2002
From: KD5PCK@cs.com (KD5PCK@cs.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:56:52 EDT
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
Message-ID: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com>

What is a safety vest? What pops in my mind is a "hunter's orange" vest. Try 
WalMart or KMart. Less than 10 bucks. A sporting goods stor may even have the 
ones with the reflective stripes. 



                               73
                               Scott Hernandez
                               KD5PCK


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From kc2cxh@qsl.net  Thu Jul 18 04:18:58 2002
From: kc2cxh@qsl.net (Martin T. Focazio - KC2CXH)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:18:58 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
In-Reply-To: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com>
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com>
Message-ID: <p05100318b95be3b729c5@[192.168.1.6]>

Here's two links to safety vests:

Expensive:
http://www.galls.com/shop/viewProductDetail.jsp?item=HS172

Cheap:
http://www.galls.com/shop/viewProductDetail.jsp?item=HS028

You can get the exact same item as the cheap ones at Home Depot.
I keep one in my Jeep - very handy when changing a tire or soing 
something on the side of the road.




At 9:56 PM -0400 7/17/02, KD5PCK@cs.com wrote:
>What is a safety vest? What pops in my mind is a "hunter's orange" vest. Try
>WalMart or KMart. Less than 10 bucks. A sporting goods stor may even have the
>ones with the reflective stripes.
>
>
>
>                                73
>                                Scott Hernandez
>                                KD5PCK
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From N7EIM@undermyhat.net  Thu Jul 18 04:39:41 2002
From: N7EIM@undermyhat.net (Mark Matthies N7EIM)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
In-Reply-To: <p05100318b95be3b729c5@[192.168.1.6]>
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com>
 <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020717203301.00a1cec0@mail.undermyhat.net>


The state department of transportation here in Washington had to get rid of 
their traffic vests and obtain new ones, since the Feds changed the safety 
standards on them. This resulted in a large quantity of them being 
transferred to state surplus and being put up for sale at $5.00 apiece 
(most of the unused). Our county emergency management office just picked up 
a quantity of them for issue to SAR/ARES personnel.

You might want to check with the appropriate local agencies and see if 
something similar has occurred in your area.

Thanks.

Mark
N7EIM@arrl.net


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From dougy@ruraltel.net  Thu Jul 18 07:32:49 2002
From: dougy@ruraltel.net (Doug Younker)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:32:49 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com>
Message-ID: <015e01c22e25$7053c140$2d13e118@dougy>

This brings me to a question that I have been wanting to ask for quit some
time.  Is there a standard unique color generally accepted to identify that
the wearer is part of an emergency communications team? How about decals and
patches,or art work other than available ARES RACES, which IMO are not
readily recognizable for their meaning by others looking for us.--73
Doug, N0LKK
 dougy@ruraltel.net
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From: <KD5PCK@cs.com>
To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:56 PM
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


: What is a safety vest? What pops in my mind is a "hunter's orange" vest.
Try
: WalMart or KMart. Less than 10 bucks. A sporting goods stor may even have
the
: ones with the reflective stripes.
:
:
:
:                                73
:                                Scott Hernandez
:                                KD5PCK
:
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From Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us  Thu Jul 18 07:41:09 2002
From: Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us (Nick Meacher)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:41:09 -0800
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
Message-ID: <6D66553E346DD311A5B000062950959B6ACA5A@jpd_mail.ci.juneau.ak.us>

No there is not - however, green is being recognized as a standard color for
members of Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT) (see FEMA web site for
more info)

The ARES badge is standard and orange is a standard color for emergency
stuff.  Additionally ball caps or white hard hats could have the ARES decal
placed on them.  By staying with the ARES decal we are generating a
"standard" which will quickly be recognized by others.  In addition "COMMS"
or "ARES" could be placed on the vest in reflective letters - there are many
companies who make vest with your choice of letters on them

Hope this helps
Nick N3WWE
Emergency Coordinator
Northeren SE Alaska ARES

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Younker [mailto:dougy@ruraltel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 22:33
To: ares-races@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


This brings me to a question that I have been wanting to ask for quit some
time.  Is there a standard unique color generally accepted to identify that
the wearer is part of an emergency communications team? How about decals and
patches,or art work other than available ARES RACES, which IMO are not
readily recognizable for their meaning by others looking for us.--73
Doug, N0LKK
 dougy@ruraltel.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <KD5PCK@cs.com>
To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:56 PM
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


: What is a safety vest? What pops in my mind is a "hunter's orange" vest.
Try
: WalMart or KMart. Less than 10 bucks. A sporting goods stor may even have
the
: ones with the reflective stripes.
:
:
:
:                                73
:                                Scott Hernandez
:                                KD5PCK
:
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From marnells@snowcrest.net  Thu Jul 18 08:25:20 2002
From: marnells@snowcrest.net (Harry Marnell)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com> <015e01c22e25$7053c140$2d13e118@dougy>
Message-ID: <008201c22e2c$466ecb20$ba7ba8c0@sd.cox.net>

Don't know how "standard" it is, but there's some info, including pics of vests,
at
http://www.qsl.net/sdgarrl/ares.htm  and at
http://cops911.com/AmateurRadioVest1.asp

Harry / N6URU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Younker" <dougy@ruraltel.net>
To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 23:32
Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


> This brings me to a question that I have been wanting to ask for quit some
> time.  Is there a standard unique color generally accepted to identify that
> the wearer is part of an emergency communications team? How about decals and
> patches,or art work other than available ARES RACES, which IMO are not
> readily recognizable for their meaning by others looking for us.--73
> Doug, N0LKK
>  dougy@ruraltel.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KD5PCK@cs.com>
> To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:56 PM
> Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
>
>
> : What is a safety vest? What pops in my mind is a "hunter's orange" vest.
> Try
> : WalMart or KMart. Less than 10 bucks. A sporting goods stor may even have
> the
> : ones with the reflective stripes.
> :
> :
> :
> :                                73
> :                                Scott Hernandez
> :                                KD5PCK
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From dougy@ruraltel.net  Thu Jul 18 09:13:02 2002
From: dougy@ruraltel.net (Doug Younker)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:13:02 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com> <015e01c22e25$7053c140$2d13e118@dougy> <002601c22e2e$c8db6530$8d60b2d0@WATSONH>
Message-ID: <018901c22e32$f09f2800$2d13e118@dougy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Watson" <n3tnq@mercednet.com>
To: "Doug Younker" <dougy@ruraltel.net>; <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


: Yes, ARES recommends lime green, as does FEMA.
:
: Howard

The lime green vest available at Galls in my opinion is an attention getter
and very distinct from the green in the photo of the CERT volunteers and the
green worn by some EMS personnel in some localities.--73
Doug, N0LKK
 dougy@ruraltel.net



From milnes1@rcn.com  Thu Jul 18 13:10:52 2002
From: milnes1@rcn.com (Ralph Milnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
In-Reply-To: <018901c22e32$f09f2800$2d13e118@dougy>
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com>
 <015e01c22e25$7053c140$2d13e118@dougy>
 <002601c22e2e$c8db6530$8d60b2d0@WATSONH>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718080623.02c20d88@pop.rcn.com>

I seem to remember that the ARRL was looking into the idea of standardizing 
ARES apparel, probably around a vest. I'm sorry I can't be more specific, 
but I seem to remember an ARRL Board resolution on this.

If you're seriously thinking of creating your own vest, you might want to 
check with the ARRL first. Maybe Steve Ewald at the ARRL would know what's 
going on.

73,

Ralph KC2RLM
Chatham NJ ARES/RACES

  



From fairfaxraces@hotmail.com  Thu Jul 18 14:17:35 2002
From: fairfaxraces@hotmail.com (Charles Harris)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:17:35 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
Message-ID: <F43Ih9D973V7lNbx7AQ000020c6@hotmail.com>

Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be used for 
non public safety volunteers.  The green used by CERT and other volunteers 
is more of an Irish St. Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green".

>From: "Doug Younker" <dougy@ruraltel.net>
>To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:13:02 -0500
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Howard Watson" <n3tnq@mercednet.com>
>To: "Doug Younker" <dougy@ruraltel.net>; <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
>
>
>: Yes, ARES recommends lime green, as does FEMA.
>:
>: Howard
>
>The lime green vest available at Galls in my opinion is an attention getter
>and very distinct from the green in the photo of the CERT volunteers and 
>the
>green worn by some EMS personnel in some localities.--73
>Doug, N0LKK
>  dougy@ruraltel.net
>
>
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73 de KE4SKY, Regards Ed
(r) 703-280-1247
(w) 703-324-5224
epage 7037025856@metrocall.com
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From nn7b@powernet.net  Thu Jul 18 14:20:25 2002
From: nn7b@powernet.net (Paul Cavnar)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:20:25 -0700
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com> <015e01c22e25$7053c140$2d13e118@dougy>
Message-ID: <004401c22e5e$0a1ef640$40815a40@nn7b>

Hi Doug -


> This brings me to a question that I have been wanting to ask for quit some
> time.  Is there a standard unique color generally accepted to identify
that
> the wearer is part of an emergency communications team? How about
> decals and patches,or art work other than available ARES RACES, which
> IMO are not readily recognizable for their meaning by others looking for
us.
> --73

Unfortunately, this issue has surfaced many times over the years and there
has never been a "standard" established on a national basis.  What has been
the rule is a vest or color of vest for ARES/RACES operators is designated
by the local jurisdictions and EM's.  In one ares, the lime green is
preferred.
In another, the fluorescent yellow.  But, orange is standard in yet another.

What is important is that you be in compliance with what your local EM's
have established.  Many don't like volunteers wearing the same colors as
the EMT's and police.  Others prefer that they be different colors so, there
is no way to really say conclusively in this forum.

CERT standardized with the lime green which is good.  CERT is a "national"
organization under FEMA.  There is no "national" organization for amateur
radio volunteers except ARES and I have yet to see what they recommend
as a "standard".  Discussions two years ago produced what seemed to be
a common color combination but, several groups across the country stated
they could not use a particular color since it belonged to law enforcement
or other responders....  This is not an easy one to answer.  And, yes, if
you
go into another area to assist with communications, you will need to be
issued a vest or ID that complies with their standard locally.

There have been several good comments on this subject and all of them are
valid and well taken.  So, in conclusion, I would check with your local EM's
and see what they recommend and prefer first before buying something.

73, Paul Cavnar - NN7B
Former Nevada DSRO & SEC



From ka0azs@commkey.net  Thu Jul 18 15:58:29 2002
From: ka0azs@commkey.net (ka0azs@commkey.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
Message-ID: <b09528d4e8804a3cb74564e6907415e9.ka0azs@commkey.net>

Any message like this should probably include the line "in my area"=2E  Police in this area that I've seen wear blue vests with hi vis stripes (when I've seen them wear any type of vest at all), and the lime (florescent) green vests is what we use for Amateur Radio ops=2E=
=20

 On a national list, definitive statements have a way of coming back to bite you (as when I stated on this list a couple of years ago, using best info available to me at the time, that the lime green was a "FEMA standard"=2E  My education then began ;-) =
=20

  The suggestion in another posting to coordinate with your local EMA is probably the best answer=
=2E

73

Randy KA=D8AZS
Asst=2E EC Montgomery County Ohio
www=2Eqsl=2Enet/ohd3ares

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Harris

> Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be used for=
=20
> non public safety volunteers=2E  The green used by CERT and other volunteers=
=20
> is more of an Irish St=2E Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green"=2E
>=20
>=20


From bostinc@adelphia.net  Thu Jul 18 16:00:26 2002
From: bostinc@adelphia.net (Lowell Steele)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:00:26 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
References: <76.1f555d04.2a677a64@cs.com> <015e01c22e25$7053c140$2d13e118@dougy> <004401c22e5e$0a1ef640$40815a40@nn7b>
Message-ID: <000d01c22e6b$dae34120$23234544@bobsteele.mgtnwv.adelphia.net>

For all who are inquiring about ARES vests.
The below questionnaire was sent by the ARRL, I have not seen any follow up
from them, maybe they are working on a standard vest for ARES?????

Bob Steele/N8HGL
ARRL, OES, VE, ARES/EC, SKYWARN
MARS/NNN0LLL
FM09bp
n8hgl@arrl.net
--------------------------------------------

(Below message was sent in February 2002)

To: ARRL Section Managers, Section Emergency Coordinators, District
Emergency Coordinators, Emergency Coordinators

From: Steve Ewald, WV1X, ARRL Field Organization/ Public Service Team
and Bob Inderbitzen, NQ1R, ARRL Marketing Coordinator

Subject: ARES Vests and Jackets

Please note: To respond to this message, email sewald@arrl.org.
Do not click on the "reply" button when responding to this message via the
list server. Thank you.

At the 2002 Annual Board of Director's Meeting, ARRL staff were tasked to
research the possibility of developing a distinctive garment for use by
Amateur Radio Emergency Service volunteers, similar to those used by Red
Cross volunteers.

Please take a few moments to complete this questionnaire. Your responses and
comments will help determine how much interest there is in developing ARES
apparel.

Q1) Please tell us how many volunteers you represent if your responses to
the following questions represent the preferences of your group or club:

Q2) If you had the opportunity, would you (or your ARES members) be
interested in purchasing:

     Vest with the ARES logo. YES/NO

     Windbreaker (jacket) with the ARES logo. YES/NO

     I am not interested in buying either option. [ ]


Our preliminary investigations for vests and windbreakers indicate some of
the following options and price ranges.

VESTS
Option A: Full zip, all fleece, nylon with microfleece lining (a high
quality option), embroidered or screen printed. Retail $40-50.

Option B: Reflective style vest, like the type you see police or runners
wearing (a basic quality option). "Bib" style. Retail $15

WINDBREAKERS (jackets)
Option C: Basic unlined windbreaker (a basic quality option). Retail
$30-$40.

Option D: Kasha lined full zip windbreaker (a high quality option). Retail
$40-$50.

Q3) Indicate which options (A, B, C or D) you would be most interested in
buying. Answer "none" if you are not interested in any of the options. If
you like more than one option, please list them in the order of preference:

Do you have additional comments or suggestions that may be helpful to our
marketing research?

Please respond by March 5, 2002, to sewald@arrl.org.

Thank you for your help! 73.



From george@bud-jones-insurance-agency.com  Thu Jul 18 16:12:14 2002
From: george@bud-jones-insurance-agency.com (George Brand)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:12:14 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
In-Reply-To: <000d01c22e6b$dae34120$23234544@bobsteele.mgtnwv.adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBKOAANBDEKPMCABHLOEEOCHAA.georgeb@i2k.net>

If I understood the Great Lakes Director correctly last Saturday, this board
meeting started this morning in Newington.

George  WA8SCO




For all who are inquiring about ARES vests.
The below questionnaire was sent by the ARRL, I have not seen any follow up
from them, maybe they are working on a standard vest for ARES?????

Bob Steele/N8HGL
ARRL, OES, VE, ARES/EC, SKYWARN
MARS/NNN0LLL
FM09bp
n8hgl@arrl.net
--------------------------------------------

(Below message was sent in February 2002)


Subject: ARES Vests and Jackets



At the 2002 Annual Board of Director's Meeting, ARRL staff were tasked to
research the possibility of developing a distinctive garment for use by
Amateur Radio Emergency Service volunteers, similar to those used by Red
Cross volunteers.



From dougy@ruraltel.net  Thu Jul 18 19:38:26 2002
From: dougy@ruraltel.net (Doug Younker)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:38:26 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] Safety Vests
References: <F43Ih9D973V7lNbx7AQ000020c6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c22e8b$e0551780$2e13e118@dougy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Harris" <fairfaxraces@hotmail.com>
To: <dougy@ruraltel.net>; <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests


: Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be used
for
: non public safety volunteers.  The green used by CERT and other volunteers
: is more of an Irish St. Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green".
:/mailman/listinfo/ares-races

In any event one would look  into local conventions used by PS before going
through the effort and expense.  Shoot; there may be conflicts using "ARES
yellow", "RACES red" and "hunter safety orange. I really just want to avoid
my volunteers outfitting themselves in a manner where they would be looked
upon as "wannabes" and still have a readily visible presence.  When I first
seen the survey, I thought it a fishing expedition to determine a possible
market.--73
Doug, N0LKK
 dougy@ruraltel.net


From jbond7@prodigy.net  Fri Jul 19 14:16:46 2002
From: jbond7@prodigy.net (James E Bond)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:16:46 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
In-Reply-To: <6c.1f418ea4.2a66a5bb@cs.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBKBOPLMHAKJIHLOJKAEOMCLAA.jbond7@prodigy.net>

I am interested in ways to
find funding for emergency
communications equipment in
our new E-911 Center currently
being constructed in our
county. It seems that no
expense is being spared for
this center, including a 300
ft tower designed as a
complete back up to the
trunked 800MHz system.  That
is, except for the RACES
station.

Last year I participated on a
committee to make
recommendations on ham
equipment for the center. The
design of the center does not
allow copper wire to penetrate
into same. We came up with a
suitable design and
recommended they use the
TS-2000 (in duplicate).

Now come to find out they have
not made any allocations
whatsoever in their budget for
ham equipment, despite having
our input. Now come to find
out they plan to use existing
VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
not entirely sure.

I am curious to know if anyone
has had similar issues to
contend with; and if so, and
how the money was raised.  I
have heard of the ARRL giving
grants for such projects, but
I do not know how to approach
this.

Any other suggestions?

Thank you very much.

73,

James E. Bond, K6SPY
k6spy@arrl.net
METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
Tennessee
http://www.meters.org




From Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us  Fri Jul 19 14:43:49 2002
From: Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us (Nick Meacher)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:43:49 -0800
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
Message-ID: <6D66553E346DD311A5B000062950959B6ACB48@jpd_mail.ci.juneau.ak.us>

The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
organization will do anything without this status.

Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out the
Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
to local groups and companies.

You may well find that several groups will have funs available for donations
once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.

The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have equipment
donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
it!

Good luck

-----Original Message-----
From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
Importance: High



I am interested in ways to
find funding for emergency
communications equipment in
our new E-911 Center currently
being constructed in our
county. It seems that no
expense is being spared for
this center, including a 300
ft tower designed as a
complete back up to the
trunked 800MHz system.  That
is, except for the RACES
station.

Last year I participated on a
committee to make
recommendations on ham
equipment for the center. The
design of the center does not
allow copper wire to penetrate
into same. We came up with a
suitable design and
recommended they use the
TS-2000 (in duplicate).

Now come to find out they have
not made any allocations
whatsoever in their budget for
ham equipment, despite having
our input. Now come to find
out they plan to use existing
VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
not entirely sure.

I am curious to know if anyone
has had similar issues to
contend with; and if so, and
how the money was raised.  I
have heard of the ARRL giving
grants for such projects, but
I do not know how to approach
this.

Any other suggestions?

Thank you very much.

73,

James E. Bond, K6SPY
k6spy@arrl.net
METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
Tennessee
http://www.meters.org



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From Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us  Fri Jul 19 14:44:19 2002
From: Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us (Nick Meacher)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:44:19 -0800
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
Message-ID: <6D66553E346DD311A5B000062950959B6ACB49@jpd_mail.ci.juneau.ak.us>

oops forgot to give you the link www.JuneauARC.org  

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Meacher 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:45
To: 'James E Bond'; ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911
Center


The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
organization will do anything without this status.

Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out the
Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
to local groups and companies.

You may well find that several groups will have funs available for donations
once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.

The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have equipment
donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
it!

Good luck

-----Original Message-----
From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
Importance: High



I am interested in ways to
find funding for emergency
communications equipment in
our new E-911 Center currently
being constructed in our
county. It seems that no
expense is being spared for
this center, including a 300
ft tower designed as a
complete back up to the
trunked 800MHz system.  That
is, except for the RACES
station.

Last year I participated on a
committee to make
recommendations on ham
equipment for the center. The
design of the center does not
allow copper wire to penetrate
into same. We came up with a
suitable design and
recommended they use the
TS-2000 (in duplicate).

Now come to find out they have
not made any allocations
whatsoever in their budget for
ham equipment, despite having
our input. Now come to find
out they plan to use existing
VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
not entirely sure.

I am curious to know if anyone
has had similar issues to
contend with; and if so, and
how the money was raised.  I
have heard of the ARRL giving
grants for such projects, but
I do not know how to approach
this.

Any other suggestions?

Thank you very much.

73,

James E. Bond, K6SPY
k6spy@arrl.net
METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
Tennessee
http://www.meters.org



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From milnes1@rcn.com  Fri Jul 19 16:09:06 2002
From: milnes1@rcn.com (Ralph Milnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:09:06 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911
 Center
In-Reply-To: <6D66553E346DD311A5B000062950959B6ACB48@jpd_mail.ci.juneau.
 ak.us>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719110121.00b4fad8@pop.rcn.com>

Technically, a RACES unit is a sub-unit of the Office of Emergency 
Management -- at least here in NJ. So we aren't a separate entity that 
could be non-profit. As such, we would find it very hard to get money for 
RACES from outside groups. For that reason, we try to develop the best 
possible relations with the officials who head up the OEM and who control 
the budget. They are the ones who ultimately end up funding OEM/RACES 
operations.

In James' case, perhaps the best thing to do is work with those officials 
to get the money next year... or in pieces over the next few years.

ARES is of course a different animal -- technically. You might be able to 
get money via the ARES names. Even so, what ARES "is" is a little murky -- 
an ARRL org?  The units around here who have incorporated as non-profits 
and have obtained grants did so as separate clubs or organizations.

73,

Ralph KC2RLM
Chatham NJ ARES

At 09:43 AM 7/19/2002, Nick Meacher wrote:
>The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
>is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
>organization will do anything without this status.
>
>Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
>The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out the
>Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
>"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
>government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
>that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
>to local groups and companies.
>
>You may well find that several groups will have funs available for donations
>once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.
>
>The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
>station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
>recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
>Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
>in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have equipment
>donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
>it!
>
>Good luck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
>To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Importance: High
>
>
>
>I am interested in ways to
>find funding for emergency
>communications equipment in
>our new E-911 Center currently
>being constructed in our
>county. It seems that no
>expense is being spared for
>this center, including a 300
>ft tower designed as a
>complete back up to the
>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>is, except for the RACES
>station.
>
>Last year I participated on a
>committee to make
>recommendations on ham
>equipment for the center. The
>design of the center does not
>allow copper wire to penetrate
>into same. We came up with a
>suitable design and
>recommended they use the
>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>
>Now come to find out they have
>not made any allocations
>whatsoever in their budget for
>ham equipment, despite having
>our input. Now come to find
>out they plan to use existing
>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>not entirely sure.
>
>I am curious to know if anyone
>has had similar issues to
>contend with; and if so, and
>how the money was raised.  I
>have heard of the ARRL giving
>grants for such projects, but
>I do not know how to approach
>this.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>73,
>
>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>k6spy@arrl.net
>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>Tennessee
>http://www.meters.org
>
>
>
>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>
>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
>_______________________________________________
>ARES-RACES mailing list
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races
>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>
>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
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>ARES-RACES mailing list
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races



From fairfaxraces@hotmail.com  Fri Jul 19 18:20:06 2002
From: fairfaxraces@hotmail.com (Charles Harris)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
Message-ID: <F47gtopWd7KKQpQq5pn00000179@hotmail.com>

Virginia RACES, Inc. is chartered by the Virginia State Corporation 
Commission as a nonprofit educational and public service organization.  This 
enables is to receive private and corporate donations of radio equipment and 
computers to support our statewide digital network and other resources, such 
as free tower space for digital and voice repeater sites, remote receivers, 
voting and digital backbone linking systems.

In Fairfax County some of the federal funds being allocated for public 
safety resources under the new homeland defense are being used to equip the 
RACES operating position in our EOC.  It will have HF, VHF and UHF  and 
phone and data.  Our ARES EC and the RACES RO advise the County's Emergency 
Management Coordinating Committee.  Amateur radio taskings are written into 
the Emergency Support Functions of our County Emergency Operations Plan 
which deal with Alert, Notification and Public Warning; Emergency Public 
Information; Damage Assessment; Mass Care; Emergency Management; and 
Resource Management.

The key is to get to know the needs of and to "serve the customer."  Don't 
tell the served agency what you can do or how to do their job.

Instead, work with them to identify which organizations need auxiliary 
communications.  Develop a needs assessment.  Identify suitable tasks for 
amateur radio.  Determine what equipment and resources are necessary to meet 
the needs.  Honestly evaluate current amateur radio assets and capabilities 
to fill the need.  Don't promise what you can't deliver!  Identify all 
training and equipment requirements needed.

Then work with  served agencies to develop the necessary SOPS, job aids, 
checklists, procedures, forms and position descriptions.  Then you can train 
people to do the job, test them in exercises, evaluate their performance and 
seek continuous improvement while building rapport and trust with the 
customer.

If you have an opportunity to attend an Emergency Management Planning 
Workshop as part of your local EMCC, commit the time to work with your 
locality to revise or update its EOP.  Networking with emergency management 
officials in your community will reap GREAT dividends which go far beyond 
amateur radio!

>From: Nick Meacher <Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
>To: Nick Meacher <Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>,James E Bond 
><jbond7@prodigy.net>, ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:44:19 -0800
>
>oops forgot to give you the link www.JuneauARC.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Meacher
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:45
>To: 'James E Bond'; ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911
>Center
>
>
>The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
>is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
>organization will do anything without this status.
>
>Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
>The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out 
>the
>Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
>"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
>government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
>that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
>to local groups and companies.
>
>You may well find that several groups will have funs available for 
>donations
>once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.
>
>The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
>station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
>recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
>Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
>in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have 
>equipment
>donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
>it!
>
>Good luck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
>To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Importance: High
>
>
>
>I am interested in ways to
>find funding for emergency
>communications equipment in
>our new E-911 Center currently
>being constructed in our
>county. It seems that no
>expense is being spared for
>this center, including a 300
>ft tower designed as a
>complete back up to the
>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>is, except for the RACES
>station.
>
>Last year I participated on a
>committee to make
>recommendations on ham
>equipment for the center. The
>design of the center does not
>allow copper wire to penetrate
>into same. We came up with a
>suitable design and
>recommended they use the
>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>
>Now come to find out they have
>not made any allocations
>whatsoever in their budget for
>ham equipment, despite having
>our input. Now come to find
>out they plan to use existing
>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>not entirely sure.
>
>I am curious to know if anyone
>has had similar issues to
>contend with; and if so, and
>how the money was raised.  I
>have heard of the ARRL giving
>grants for such projects, but
>I do not know how to approach
>this.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>73,
>
>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>k6spy@arrl.net
>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>Tennessee
>http://www.meters.org
>
>
>
>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>
>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
>_______________________________________________
>ARES-RACES mailing list
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races
>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>
>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
>_______________________________________________
>ARES-RACES mailing list
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races




73 de KE4SKY, Regards Ed
(r) 703-280-1247
(w) 703-324-5224
epage 7037025856@metrocall.com
Reply to: ke4sky@att.net
Board Member, Northern VA FM Association
Virginia RACES State Training Officer


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From jbond7@prodigy.net  Fri Jul 19 20:38:58 2002
From: jbond7@prodigy.net (James E Bond)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
In-Reply-To: <F47gtopWd7KKQpQq5pn00000179@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBKBOPLMHAKJIHLOJKIEPECLAA.jbond7@prodigy.net>

I want to thank everyone who
has responded, I appreciate
the input very much!


--

73,

James E. Bond, K6SPY
k6spy@arrl.net
METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
Tennessee
http://www.meters.org





-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Harris
[mailto:fairfaxraces@hotmail.c
om]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002
1:20 PM
To:
Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us;
jbond7@prodigy.net;
ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Ares-races]
Finding Funding for Ham
Equipment - E-911
Center


Virginia RACES, Inc. is
chartered by the Virginia
State Corporation
Commission as a nonprofit
educational and public service
organization.  This
enables is to receive private
and corporate donations of
radio equipment and
computers to support our
statewide digital network and
other resources, such
as free tower space for
digital and voice repeater
sites, remote receivers,
voting and digital backbone
linking systems.

In Fairfax County some of the
federal funds being allocated
for public
safety resources under the new
homeland defense are being
used to equip the
RACES operating position in
our EOC.  It will have HF, VHF
and UHF  and
phone and data.  Our ARES EC
and the RACES RO advise the
County's Emergency
Management Coordinating
Committee.  Amateur radio
taskings are written into
the Emergency Support
Functions of our County
Emergency Operations Plan
which deal with Alert,
Notification and Public
Warning; Emergency Public
Information; Damage
Assessment; Mass Care;
Emergency Management; and
Resource Management.

The key is to get to know the
needs of and to "serve the
customer."  Don't
tell the served agency what
you can do or how to do their
job.

Instead, work with them to
identify which organizations
need auxiliary
communications.  Develop a
needs assessment.  Identify
suitable tasks for
amateur radio.  Determine what
equipment and resources are
necessary to meet
the needs.  Honestly evaluate
current amateur radio assets
and capabilities
to fill the need.  Don't
promise what you can't
deliver!  Identify all
training and equipment
requirements needed.

Then work with  served
agencies to develop the
necessary SOPS, job aids,
checklists, procedures, forms
and position descriptions.
Then you can train
people to do the job, test
them in exercises, evaluate
their performance and
seek continuous improvement
while building rapport and
trust with the
customer.

If you have an opportunity to
attend an Emergency Management
Planning
Workshop as part of your local
EMCC, commit the time to work
with your
locality to revise or update
its EOP.  Networking with
emergency management
officials in your community
will reap GREAT dividends
which go far beyond
amateur radio!

>From: Nick Meacher
<Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
>To: Nick Meacher
<Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
,James E Bond
><jbond7@prodigy.net>,
ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races]
Finding Funding for Ham
Equipment - E-911 Center
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002
05:44:19 -0800
>
>oops forgot to give you the
link www.JuneauARC.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Meacher
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002
05:45
>To: 'James E Bond';
ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races]
Finding Funding for Ham
Equipment - E-911
>Center
>
>
>The first issue you'll need
to take care of (as I've been
through this one)
>is make sure that your group
is registered as a non-profit.
No agency or
>organization will do anything
without this status.
>
>Next, approach FEMA, local
businesses, Rotary, etc and
outline your needs.
>The best way to do this is to
show why, what you can do,
etc.  Check out
>the
>Emergency and Disaster
Communications report on our
ARES page under the
>"forms" section.  It might
give you some ideas.  It's
surprising home many
>government officials are not
aware of their capabilities
and the problems
>that they may encounter.
This kind of report can then
be used as an opener
>to local groups and
companies.
>
>You may well find that
several groups will have funs
available for
>donations
>once they realize that there
is an important need that
needs to be met.
>
>The one problem that I've
encountered in our brand new
$1,000,000 police
>station that houses our new
EOC is that the "planning
group" deleted the
>recommendations for space for
amateur equipment "as there is
not a need".
>Now we have a new Emergency
Coordinator and Police Chief
who are very much
>in favor of us being there
but there is not space for us!
We have
>equipment
>donated from our State
Division of Emergency Services
and no where to put
>it!
>
>Good luck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James E Bond
[mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002
05:17
>To:
ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding
Funding for Ham Equipment -
E-911 Center
>Importance: High
>
>
>
>I am interested in ways to
>find funding for emergency
>communications equipment in
>our new E-911 Center
currently
>being constructed in our
>county. It seems that no
>expense is being spared for
>this center, including a 300
>ft tower designed as a
>complete back up to the
>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>is, except for the RACES
>station.
>
>Last year I participated on a
>committee to make
>recommendations on ham
>equipment for the center. The
>design of the center does not
>allow copper wire to
penetrate
>into same. We came up with a
>suitable design and
>recommended they use the
>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>
>Now come to find out they
have
>not made any allocations
>whatsoever in their budget
for
>ham equipment, despite having
>our input. Now come to find
>out they plan to use existing
>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>not entirely sure.
>
>I am curious to know if
anyone
>has had similar issues to
>contend with; and if so, and
>how the money was raised.  I
>have heard of the ARRL giving
>grants for such projects, but
>I do not know how to approach
>this.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>73,
>
>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>k6spy@arrl.net
>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox
County.
>Tennessee
>http://www.meters.org
>
>
>
>Please help QSL.NET by
sending a donation now.
>
>If you have already donated,
thanks for your support.
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epage 7037025856@metrocall.com
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From jreimer@totalzone.com  Fri Jul 19 21:39:44 2002
From: jreimer@totalzone.com (Jerry Reimer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:39:44 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #43 - 7 msgs
Message-ID: <200207191539.AA503317058@totalzone.com>

Generally, I am opposed to government purchased amateur radio equipment.  My opposition is because it gets purchased, installed, and briefly used.  Following an initial period, first the manuals get lost, then the equipment stops working, and no one seems to ever get around to getting it repaired.  When the hams show up to use it, it doesn't work.

In my experience, it is much better for individual hams to bring in their own gear for several reasons.  First, they are very familiar with it.  Second, it probably works, because it gets used very often.

If they must, let government spend our tax money on their dedicated, proprietary trunking systems.  When they quit working, hams can show up and bring in our throw-down gear that works.

KK5CA
DEC, Harris County Texas



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From: ares-races-request@mailman.qth.net
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:56:00 -0400 (EDT)

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>   3. RE: Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center (Nick Meacher)
>   4. RE: Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911
>       Center (Ralph Milnes)
>   5. RE: Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center (Charles Harris)
>   6. RE: Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center (James E Bond)
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 1
>From: "James E Bond" <jbond7@prodigy.net>
>To: <ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:16:46 -0400
>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>
>
>I am interested in ways to
>find funding for emergency
>communications equipment in
>our new E-911 Center currently
>being constructed in our
>county. It seems that no
>expense is being spared for
>this center, including a 300
>ft tower designed as a
>complete back up to the
>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>is, except for the RACES
>station.
>
>Last year I participated on a
>committee to make
>recommendations on ham
>equipment for the center. The
>design of the center does not
>allow copper wire to penetrate
>into same. We came up with a
>suitable design and
>recommended they use the
>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>
>Now come to find out they have
>not made any allocations
>whatsoever in their budget for
>ham equipment, despite having
>our input. Now come to find
>out they plan to use existing
>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>not entirely sure.
>
>I am curious to know if anyone
>has had similar issues to
>contend with; and if so, and
>how the money was raised.  I
>have heard of the ARRL giving
>grants for such projects, but
>I do not know how to approach
>this.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>73,
>
>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>k6spy@arrl.net
>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>Tennessee
>http://www.meters.org
>
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 2
>From: Nick Meacher <Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
>To: James E Bond <jbond7@prodigy.net>, ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:43:49 -0800
>
>The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
>is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
>organization will do anything without this status.
>
>Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
>The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out the
>Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
>"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
>government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
>that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
>to local groups and companies.
>
>You may well find that several groups will have funs available for donations
>once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.
>
>The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
>station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
>recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
>Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
>in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have equipment
>donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
>it!
>
>Good luck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
>To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Importance: High
>
>
>
>I am interested in ways to
>find funding for emergency
>communications equipment in
>our new E-911 Center currently
>being constructed in our
>county. It seems that no
>expense is being spared for
>this center, including a 300
>ft tower designed as a
>complete back up to the
>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>is, except for the RACES
>station.
>
>Last year I participated on a
>committee to make
>recommendations on ham
>equipment for the center. The
>design of the center does not
>allow copper wire to penetrate
>into same. We came up with a
>suitable design and
>recommended they use the
>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>
>Now come to find out they have
>not made any allocations
>whatsoever in their budget for
>ham equipment, despite having
>our input. Now come to find
>out they plan to use existing
>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>not entirely sure.
>
>I am curious to know if anyone
>has had similar issues to
>contend with; and if so, and
>how the money was raised.  I
>have heard of the ARRL giving
>grants for such projects, but
>I do not know how to approach
>this.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>73,
>
>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>k6spy@arrl.net
>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>Tennessee
>http://www.meters.org
>
>
>
>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>
>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
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>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 3
>From: Nick Meacher <Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
>To: Nick Meacher <Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>,
>	James E Bond <jbond7@prodigy.net>, ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:44:19 -0800
>
>oops forgot to give you the link www.JuneauARC.org  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Meacher 
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:45
>To: 'James E Bond'; ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911
>Center
>
>
>The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
>is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
>organization will do anything without this status.
>
>Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
>The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out the
>Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
>"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
>government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
>that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
>to local groups and companies.
>
>You may well find that several groups will have funs available for donations
>once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.
>
>The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
>station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
>recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
>Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
>in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have equipment
>donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
>it!
>
>Good luck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
>To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Importance: High
>
>
>
>I am interested in ways to
>find funding for emergency
>communications equipment in
>our new E-911 Center currently
>being constructed in our
>county. It seems that no
>expense is being spared for
>this center, including a 300
>ft tower designed as a
>complete back up to the
>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>is, except for the RACES
>station.
>
>Last year I participated on a
>committee to make
>recommendations on ham
>equipment for the center. The
>design of the center does not
>allow copper wire to penetrate
>into same. We came up with a
>suitable design and
>recommended they use the
>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>
>Now come to find out they have
>not made any allocations
>whatsoever in their budget for
>ham equipment, despite having
>our input. Now come to find
>out they plan to use existing
>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>not entirely sure.
>
>I am curious to know if anyone
>has had similar issues to
>contend with; and if so, and
>how the money was raised.  I
>have heard of the ARRL giving
>grants for such projects, but
>I do not know how to approach
>this.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>73,
>
>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>k6spy@arrl.net
>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>Tennessee
>http://www.meters.org
>
>
>
>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>
>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
>_______________________________________________
>ARES-RACES mailing list
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:09:06 -0400
>To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>From: Ralph Milnes <milnes1@rcn.com>
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911
>  Center
>
>Technically, a RACES unit is a sub-unit of the Office of Emergency 
>Management -- at least here in NJ. So we aren't a separate entity that 
>could be non-profit. As such, we would find it very hard to get money for 
>RACES from outside groups. For that reason, we try to develop the best 
>possible relations with the officials who head up the OEM and who control 
>the budget. They are the ones who ultimately end up funding OEM/RACES 
>operations.
>
>In James' case, perhaps the best thing to do is work with those officials 
>to get the money next year... or in pieces over the next few years.
>
>ARES is of course a different animal -- technically. You might be able to 
>get money via the ARES names. Even so, what ARES "is" is a little murky -- 
>an ARRL org?  The units around here who have incorporated as non-profits 
>and have obtained grants did so as separate clubs or organizations.
>
>73,
>
>Ralph KC2RLM
>Chatham NJ ARES
>
>At 09:43 AM 7/19/2002, Nick Meacher wrote:
>>The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
>>is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
>>organization will do anything without this status.
>>
>>Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
>>The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out the
>>Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
>>"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
>>government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
>>that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
>>to local groups and companies.
>>
>>You may well find that several groups will have funs available for donations
>>once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.
>>
>>The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
>>station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
>>recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
>>Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
>>in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have equipment
>>donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
>>it!
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
>>To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>>Importance: High
>>
>>
>>
>>I am interested in ways to
>>find funding for emergency
>>communications equipment in
>>our new E-911 Center currently
>>being constructed in our
>>county. It seems that no
>>expense is being spared for
>>this center, including a 300
>>ft tower designed as a
>>complete back up to the
>>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>>is, except for the RACES
>>station.
>>
>>Last year I participated on a
>>committee to make
>>recommendations on ham
>>equipment for the center. The
>>design of the center does not
>>allow copper wire to penetrate
>>into same. We came up with a
>>suitable design and
>>recommended they use the
>>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>>
>>Now come to find out they have
>>not made any allocations
>>whatsoever in their budget for
>>ham equipment, despite having
>>our input. Now come to find
>>out they plan to use existing
>>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>>not entirely sure.
>>
>>I am curious to know if anyone
>>has had similar issues to
>>contend with; and if so, and
>>how the money was raised.  I
>>have heard of the ARRL giving
>>grants for such projects, but
>>I do not know how to approach
>>this.
>>
>>Any other suggestions?
>>
>>Thank you very much.
>>
>>73,
>>
>>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>>k6spy@arrl.net
>>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>>Tennessee
>>http://www.meters.org
>>
>>
>>
>>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>>
>>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
>>_______________________________________________
>>ARES-RACES mailing list
>>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races
>>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>>
>>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
>>_______________________________________________
>>ARES-RACES mailing list
>>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 5
>From: "Charles Harris" <fairfaxraces@hotmail.com>
>To: Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us, jbond7@prodigy.net,
>	ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:20:06 -0400
>
>Virginia RACES, Inc. is chartered by the Virginia State Corporation 
>Commission as a nonprofit educational and public service organization.  This 
>enables is to receive private and corporate donations of radio equipment and 
>computers to support our statewide digital network and other resources, such 
>as free tower space for digital and voice repeater sites, remote receivers, 
>voting and digital backbone linking systems.
>
>In Fairfax County some of the federal funds being allocated for public 
>safety resources under the new homeland defense are being used to equip the 
>RACES operating position in our EOC.  It will have HF, VHF and UHF  and 
>phone and data.  Our ARES EC and the RACES RO advise the County's Emergency 
>Management Coordinating Committee.  Amateur radio taskings are written into 
>the Emergency Support Functions of our County Emergency Operations Plan 
>which deal with Alert, Notification and Public Warning; Emergency Public 
>Information; Damage Assessment; Mass Care; Emergency Management; and 
>Resource Management.
>
>The key is to get to know the needs of and to "serve the customer."  Don't 
>tell the served agency what you can do or how to do their job.
>
>Instead, work with them to identify which organizations need auxiliary 
>communications.  Develop a needs assessment.  Identify suitable tasks for 
>amateur radio.  Determine what equipment and resources are necessary to meet 
>the needs.  Honestly evaluate current amateur radio assets and capabilities 
>to fill the need.  Don't promise what you can't deliver!  Identify all 
>training and equipment requirements needed.
>
>Then work with  served agencies to develop the necessary SOPS, job aids, 
>checklists, procedures, forms and position descriptions.  Then you can train 
>people to do the job, test them in exercises, evaluate their performance and 
>seek continuous improvement while building rapport and trust with the 
>customer.
>
>If you have an opportunity to attend an Emergency Management Planning 
>Workshop as part of your local EMCC, commit the time to work with your 
>locality to revise or update its EOP.  Networking with emergency management 
>officials in your community will reap GREAT dividends which go far beyond 
>amateur radio!
>
>>From: Nick Meacher <Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
>>To: Nick Meacher <Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>,James E Bond 
>><jbond7@prodigy.net>, ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:44:19 -0800
>>
>>oops forgot to give you the link www.JuneauARC.org
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Nick Meacher
>>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:45
>>To: 'James E Bond'; ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911
>>Center
>>
>>
>>The first issue you'll need to take care of (as I've been through this one)
>>is make sure that your group is registered as a non-profit.  No agency or
>>organization will do anything without this status.
>>
>>Next, approach FEMA, local businesses, Rotary, etc and outline your needs.
>>The best way to do this is to show why, what you can do, etc.  Check out 
>>the
>>Emergency and Disaster Communications report on our ARES page under the
>>"forms" section.  It might give you some ideas.  It's surprising home many
>>government officials are not aware of their capabilities and the problems
>>that they may encounter.  This kind of report can then be used as an opener
>>to local groups and companies.
>>
>>You may well find that several groups will have funs available for 
>>donations
>>once they realize that there is an important need that needs to be met.
>>
>>The one problem that I've encountered in our brand new $1,000,000 police
>>station that houses our new EOC is that the "planning group" deleted the
>>recommendations for space for amateur equipment "as there is not a need".
>>Now we have a new Emergency Coordinator and Police Chief who are very much
>>in favor of us being there but there is not space for us!  We have 
>>equipment
>>donated from our State Division of Emergency Services and no where to put
>>it!
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: James E Bond [mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 05:17
>>To: ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>>Importance: High
>>
>>
>>
>>I am interested in ways to
>>find funding for emergency
>>communications equipment in
>>our new E-911 Center currently
>>being constructed in our
>>county. It seems that no
>>expense is being spared for
>>this center, including a 300
>>ft tower designed as a
>>complete back up to the
>>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>>is, except for the RACES
>>station.
>>
>>Last year I participated on a
>>committee to make
>>recommendations on ham
>>equipment for the center. The
>>design of the center does not
>>allow copper wire to penetrate
>>into same. We came up with a
>>suitable design and
>>recommended they use the
>>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>>
>>Now come to find out they have
>>not made any allocations
>>whatsoever in their budget for
>>ham equipment, despite having
>>our input. Now come to find
>>out they plan to use existing
>>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>>not entirely sure.
>>
>>I am curious to know if anyone
>>has had similar issues to
>>contend with; and if so, and
>>how the money was raised.  I
>>have heard of the ARRL giving
>>grants for such projects, but
>>I do not know how to approach
>>this.
>>
>>Any other suggestions?
>>
>>Thank you very much.
>>
>>73,
>>
>>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>>k6spy@arrl.net
>>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>>Tennessee
>>http://www.meters.org
>>
>>
>>
>>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
>>
>>If you have already donated, thanks for your support.
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races
>>Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.
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>
>
>
>
>73 de KE4SKY, Regards Ed
>(r) 703-280-1247
>(w) 703-324-5224
>epage 7037025856@metrocall.com
>Reply to: ke4sky@att.net
>Board Member, Northern VA FM Association
>Virginia RACES State Training Officer
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>Message: 6
>From: "James E Bond" <jbond7@prodigy.net>
>To: "Charles Harris" <fairfaxraces@hotmail.com>,
>	<Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>, <ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Finding Funding for Ham Equipment - E-911 Center
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:38:58 -0400
>
>I want to thank everyone who
>has responded, I appreciate
>the input very much!
>
>
>--
>
>73,
>
>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>k6spy@arrl.net
>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox County.
>Tennessee
>http://www.meters.org
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Harris
>[mailto:fairfaxraces@hotmail.c
>om]
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002
>1:20 PM
>To:
>Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us;
>jbond7@prodigy.net;
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [Ares-races]
>Finding Funding for Ham
>Equipment - E-911
>Center
>
>
>Virginia RACES, Inc. is
>chartered by the Virginia
>State Corporation
>Commission as a nonprofit
>educational and public service
>organization.  This
>enables is to receive private
>and corporate donations of
>radio equipment and
>computers to support our
>statewide digital network and
>other resources, such
>as free tower space for
>digital and voice repeater
>sites, remote receivers,
>voting and digital backbone
>linking systems.
>
>In Fairfax County some of the
>federal funds being allocated
>for public
>safety resources under the new
>homeland defense are being
>used to equip the
>RACES operating position in
>our EOC.  It will have HF, VHF
>and UHF  and
>phone and data.  Our ARES EC
>and the RACES RO advise the
>County's Emergency
>Management Coordinating
>Committee.  Amateur radio
>taskings are written into
>the Emergency Support
>Functions of our County
>Emergency Operations Plan
>which deal with Alert,
>Notification and Public
>Warning; Emergency Public
>Information; Damage
>Assessment; Mass Care;
>Emergency Management; and
>Resource Management.
>
>The key is to get to know the
>needs of and to "serve the
>customer."  Don't
>tell the served agency what
>you can do or how to do their
>job.
>
>Instead, work with them to
>identify which organizations
>need auxiliary
>communications.  Develop a
>needs assessment.  Identify
>suitable tasks for
>amateur radio.  Determine what
>equipment and resources are
>necessary to meet
>the needs.  Honestly evaluate
>current amateur radio assets
>and capabilities
>to fill the need.  Don't
>promise what you can't
>deliver!  Identify all
>training and equipment
>requirements needed.
>
>Then work with  served
>agencies to develop the
>necessary SOPS, job aids,
>checklists, procedures, forms
>and position descriptions.
>Then you can train
>people to do the job, test
>them in exercises, evaluate
>their performance and
>seek continuous improvement
>while building rapport and
>trust with the
>customer.
>
>If you have an opportunity to
>attend an Emergency Management
>Planning
>Workshop as part of your local
>EMCC, commit the time to work
>with your
>locality to revise or update
>its EOP.  Networking with
>emergency management
>officials in your community
>will reap GREAT dividends
>which go far beyond
>amateur radio!
>
>>From: Nick Meacher
><Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
>>To: Nick Meacher
><Nick_Meacher@ci.juneau.ak.us>
>,James E Bond
>><jbond7@prodigy.net>,
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: RE: [Ares-races]
>Finding Funding for Ham
>Equipment - E-911 Center
>>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002
>05:44:19 -0800
>>
>>oops forgot to give you the
>link www.JuneauARC.org
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Nick Meacher
>>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002
>05:45
>>To: 'James E Bond';
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: RE: [Ares-races]
>Finding Funding for Ham
>Equipment - E-911
>>Center
>>
>>
>>The first issue you'll need
>to take care of (as I've been
>through this one)
>>is make sure that your group
>is registered as a non-profit.
>No agency or
>>organization will do anything
>without this status.
>>
>>Next, approach FEMA, local
>businesses, Rotary, etc and
>outline your needs.
>>The best way to do this is to
>show why, what you can do,
>etc.  Check out
>>the
>>Emergency and Disaster
>Communications report on our
>ARES page under the
>>"forms" section.  It might
>give you some ideas.  It's
>surprising home many
>>government officials are not
>aware of their capabilities
>and the problems
>>that they may encounter.
>This kind of report can then
>be used as an opener
>>to local groups and
>companies.
>>
>>You may well find that
>several groups will have funs
>available for
>>donations
>>once they realize that there
>is an important need that
>needs to be met.
>>
>>The one problem that I've
>encountered in our brand new
>$1,000,000 police
>>station that houses our new
>EOC is that the "planning
>group" deleted the
>>recommendations for space for
>amateur equipment "as there is
>not a need".
>>Now we have a new Emergency
>Coordinator and Police Chief
>who are very much
>>in favor of us being there
>but there is not space for us!
>We have
>>equipment
>>donated from our State
>Division of Emergency Services
>and no where to put
>>it!
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: James E Bond
>[mailto:jbond7@prodigy.net]
>>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002
>05:17
>>To:
>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: [Ares-races] Finding
>Funding for Ham Equipment -
>E-911 Center
>>Importance: High
>>
>>
>>
>>I am interested in ways to
>>find funding for emergency
>>communications equipment in
>>our new E-911 Center
>currently
>>being constructed in our
>>county. It seems that no
>>expense is being spared for
>>this center, including a 300
>>ft tower designed as a
>>complete back up to the
>>trunked 800MHz system.  That
>>is, except for the RACES
>>station.
>>
>>Last year I participated on a
>>committee to make
>>recommendations on ham
>>equipment for the center. The
>>design of the center does not
>>allow copper wire to
>penetrate
>>into same. We came up with a
>>suitable design and
>>recommended they use the
>>TS-2000 (in duplicate).
>>
>>Now come to find out they
>have
>>not made any allocations
>>whatsoever in their budget
>for
>>ham equipment, despite having
>>our input. Now come to find
>>out they plan to use existing
>>VHF/UHF equipment, how I am
>>not entirely sure.
>>
>>I am curious to know if
>anyone
>>has had similar issues to
>>contend with; and if so, and
>>how the money was raised.  I
>>have heard of the ARRL giving
>>grants for such projects, but
>>I do not know how to approach
>>this.
>>
>>Any other suggestions?
>>
>>Thank you very much.
>>
>>73,
>>
>>James E. Bond, K6SPY
>>k6spy@arrl.net
>>METERS/ARES/RACES Knox
>County.
>>Tennessee
>>http://www.meters.org
>>
>>
>>
>>Please help QSL.NET by
>sending a donation now.
>>
>>If you have already donated,
>thanks for your support.
>>_____________________________
>__________________
>>ARES-RACES mailing list
>>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>http://mailman.qth.net/mailma
>n/listinfo/ares-races
>>Please help QSL.NET by
>sending a donation now.
>>
>>If you have already donated,
>thanks for your support.
>>_____________________________
>__________________
>>ARES-RACES mailing list
>>ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net
>>http://mailman.qth.net/mailma
>n/listinfo/ares-races
>
>
>
>
>73 de KE4SKY, Regards Ed
>(r) 703-280-1247
>(w) 703-324-5224
>epage 7037025856@metrocall.com
>Reply to: ke4sky@att.net
>Board Member, Northern VA FM
>Association
>Virginia RACES State Training
>Officer
>
>
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From kd5czm1@iwon.com  Fri Jul 19 23:07:18 2002
From: kd5czm1@iwon.com (kd5czm1@iwon.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ares-races] "Vest" selection yet!
Message-ID: <20020719220718.A05CE27C7F@email.iwon.com>

 On a previous post someone offered the following website as a source of safety vests and I gotta agree, it is the best so far.  I'm saving my dollars for one of their jobs.               www.cops911.com73 de KD5CZM  Joe GuerraGood things come to those who wait.--- On Fri 07/19, &lt; ares-races-request@mailman.qth.net &gt; wrote:From: [mailto: ares-races-request@mailman.qth.net]To: ares-races@mailman.qth.netDate: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:01:07 -0400 (EDT)Subject: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #42 - 8 msgsSend ARES-RACES mailing list submissions toares-races@mailman.qth.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' toares-races-request@mailman.qth.netYou can reach the person managing the list atares-races-admin@mailman.qth.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ARES-RACES digest..."Today's Topics:1. Re: Safety Vests (Doug Younker)2. Re: Safety Vests (Ralph Milnes)3. Re: Safety Vests (Charles Harris)4. Re: Safety Vests (Paul Cavnar)5. Re: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests (ka0azs@commkey.net)6. Re: Safety Vests (Lowell Steele)7. RE: Safety Vests (George Brand)8. Re: Safety Vests (Doug Younker)--__--__--Message: 1From: "Doug Younker" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:13:02 -0500Organization: None what so ever----- Original Message -----From: "Howard Watson" To: "Doug Younker" ; Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:43 AMSubject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests: Yes, ARES recommends lime green, as does FEMA.:: HowardThe lime green vest available at Galls in my opinion is an attention getterand very distinct from the green in the photo of the CERT volunteers and thegreen worn by some EMS personnel in some localities.--73Doug, N0LKKdougy@ruraltel.net--__--__--Message: 2Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:10:52 -0400To: From: Ralph Milnes Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsI seem to remember that the ARRL was looking into the idea of standardizing ARES apparel, probably around a vest. I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but I seem to remember an ARRL Board resolution on this.If you're seriously thinking of creating your own vest, you might want to check with the ARRL first. Maybe Steve Ewald at the ARRL would know what's going on.73,Ralph KC2RLMChatham NJ ARES/RACES--__--__--Message: 3From: "Charles Harris" To: dougy@ruraltel.net, ares-races@mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:17:35 -0400Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be used for non public safety volunteers. The green used by CERT and other volunteers is more of an Irish St. Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green".&gt;From: "Doug Younker" &gt;To: &gt;Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests&gt;Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:13:02 -0500&gt;&gt;&gt;----- Original Message -----&gt;From: "Howard Watson" &gt;To: "Doug Younker" ; &gt;Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:43 AM&gt;Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests&gt;&gt;&gt;: Yes, ARES recommends lime green, as does FEMA.&gt;:&gt;: Howard&gt;&gt;The lime green vest available at Galls in my opinion is an attention getter&gt;and very distinct from the green in the photo of the CERT volunteers and &gt;the&gt;green worn by some EMS personnel in some localities.--73&gt;Doug, N0LKK&gt; dougy@ruraltel.net&gt;&gt;&gt;Please help QSL.NET by sending a donation now.&gt;&gt;If you have already donated, thanks for your support.&gt;_______________________________________________&gt;ARES-RACES mailing list&gt;ARES-RACES@mailman.qth.net&gt;http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-races73 de KE4SKY, Regards Ed(r) 703-280-1247(w) 703-324-5224epage 7037025856@metrocall.comReply to: ke4sky@att.netBoard Member, Northern VA FM AssociationVirginia RACES State Training Officer_________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx--__--__--Message: 4From: "Paul Cavnar" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:20:25 -0700Hi Doug -&gt; This brings me to a question that I have been wanting to ask for quit some&gt; time. Is there a standard unique color generally accepted to identifythat&gt; the wearer is part of an emergency communications team? How about&gt; decals and patches,or art work other than available ARES RACES, which&gt; IMO are not readily recognizable for their meaning by others looking forus.&gt; --73Unfortunately, this issue has surfaced many times over the years and therehas never been a "standard" established on a national basis. What has beenthe rule is a vest or color of vest for ARES/RACES operators is designatedby the local jurisdictions and EM's. In one ares, the lime green ispreferred.In another, the fluorescent yellow. But, orange is standard in yet another.What is important is that you be in compliance with what your local EM'shave established. Many don't like volunteers wearing the same colors asthe EMT's and police. Others prefer that they be different colors so, thereis no way to really say conclusively in this forum.CERT standardized with the lime green which is good. CERT is a "national"organization under FEMA. There is no "national" organization for amateurradio volunteers except ARES and I have yet to see what they recommendas a "standard". Discussions two years ago produced what seemed to bea common color combination but, several groups across the country statedthey could not use a particular color since it belonged to law enforcementor other responders.... This is not an easy one to answer. And, yes, ifyougo into another area to assist with communications, you will need to beissued a vest or ID that complies with their standard locally.There have been several good comments on this subject and all of them arevalid and well taken. So, in conclusion, I would check with your local EM'sand see what they recommend and prefer first before buying something.73, Paul Cavnar - NN7BFormer Nevada DSRO &amp; SEC--__--__--Message: 5From: "" To: dougy@ruraltel.net, ares-races@mailman.qth.net,"Charles Harris" Subject: Re: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:58:29 -0400Any message like this should probably include the line "in my area"=2E Police in this area that I've seen wear blue vests with hi vis stripes (when I've seen them wear any type of vest at all), and the lime (florescent) green vests is what we use for Amateur Radio ops=2E==20On a national list, definitive statements have a way of coming back to bite you (as when I stated on this list a couple of years ago, using best info available to me at the time, that the lime green was a "FEMA standard"=2E My education then began ;-) ==20The suggestion in another posting to coordinate with your local EMA is probably the best answer==2E73Randy KA=D8AZSAsst=2E EC Montgomery County Ohiowww=2Eqsl=2Enet/ohd3ares----- Original Message -----From: Charles Harris&gt; Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be used for==20&gt; non public safety volunteers=2E The green used by CERT and other volunteers==20&gt; is more of an Irish St=2E Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green"=2E&gt;=20&gt;=20--__--__--Message: 6From: "Lowell Steele" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:00:26 -0400For all who are inquiring about ARES vests.The below questionnaire was sent by the ARRL, I have not seen any follow upfrom them, maybe they are working on a standard vest for ARES?????Bob Steele/N8HGLARRL, OES, VE, ARES/EC, SKYWARNMARS/NNN0LLLFM09bpn8hgl@arrl.net--------------------------------------------(Below message was sent in February 2002)To: ARRL Section Managers, Section Emergency Coordinators, DistrictEmergency Coordinators, Emergency CoordinatorsFrom: Steve Ewald, WV1X, ARRL Field Organization/ Public Service Teamand Bob Inderbitzen, NQ1R, ARRL Marketing CoordinatorSubject: ARES Vests and JacketsPlease note: To respond to this message, email sewald@arrl.org.Do not click on the "reply" button when responding to this message via thelist server. Thank you.At the 2002 Annual Board of Director's Meeting, ARRL staff were tasked toresearch the possibility of developing a distinctive garment for use byAmateur Radio Emergency Service volunteers, similar to those used by RedCross volunteers.Please take a few moments to complete this questionnaire. Your responses andcomments will help determine how much interest there is in developing ARESapparel.Q1) Please tell us how many volunteers you represent if your responses tothe following questions represent the preferences of your group or club:Q2) If you had the opportunity, would you (or your ARES members) beinterested in purchasing:Vest with the ARES logo. YES/NOWindbreaker (jacket) with the ARES logo. YES/NOI am not interested in buying either option. [ ]Our preliminary investigations for vests and windbreakers indicate some ofthe following options and price ranges.VESTSOption A: Full zip, all fleece, nylon with microfleece lining (a highquality option), embroidered or screen printed. Retail $40-50.Option B: Reflective style vest, like the type you see police or runnerswearing (a basic quality option). "Bib" style. Retail $15WINDBREAKERS (jackets)Option C: Basic unlined windbreaker (a basic quality option). Retail$30-$40.Option D: Kasha lined full zip windbreaker (a high quality option). Retail$40-$50.Q3) Indicate which options (A, B, C or D) you would be most interested inbuying. Answer "none" if you are not interested in any of the options. Ifyou like more than one option, please list them in the order of preference:Do you have additional comments or suggestions that may be helpful to ourmarketing research?Please respond by March 5, 2002, to sewald@arrl.org.Thank you for your help! 73.--__--__--Message: 7Reply-To: From: "George Brand" To: Subject: RE: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:12:14 -0400If I understood the Great Lakes Director correctly last Saturday, this boardmeeting started this morning in Newington.George WA8SCOFor all who are inquiring about ARES vests.The below questionnaire was sent by the ARRL, I have not seen any follow upfrom them, maybe they are working on a standard vest for ARES?????Bob Steele/N8HGLARRL, OES, VE, ARES/EC, SKYWARNMARS/NNN0LLLFM09bpn8hgl@arrl.net--------------------------------------------(Below message was sent in February 2002)Subject: ARES Vests and JacketsAt the 2002 Annual Board of Director's Meeting, ARRL staff were tasked toresearch the possibility of developing a distinctive garment for use byAmateur Radio Emergency Service volunteers, similar to those used by RedCross volunteers.--__--__--Message: 8From: "Doug Younker" To: Subject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety VestsDate: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:38:26 -0500Organization: None what so ever----- Original Message -----From: "Charles Harris" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:17 AMSubject: Re: [Ares-races] Safety Vests: Lime green is used by police for traffic control, and shouldn't be usedfor: non public safety volunteers. The green used by CERT and other volunteers: is more of an Irish St. Patrick's Day Parade "Kelly green".:/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesIn any event one would look into local conventions used by PS before goingthrough the effort and expense. Shoot; there may be conflicts using "ARESyellow", "RACES red" and "hunter safety orange. I really just want to avoidmy volunteers outfitting themselves in a manner where they would be lookedupon as "wannabes" and still have a readily visible presence. When I firstseen the survey, I thought it a fishing expedition to determine a possiblemarket.--73Doug, N0LKKdougy@ruraltel.net--__--__--_______________________________________________ARES-RACES mailing listARES-RACES@mailman.qth.nethttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesEnd of ARES-RACES Digest

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From ikemay@voicenet.com  Sat Jul 20 18:15:55 2002
From: ikemay@voicenet.com (Mike P.)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:15:55 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #40 - 1 msg
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020720131540.00aa85f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Howdy John!
         Not sure IF this is what you are looking for but feel free to 
check out the Bucks County ARES web site's "ARESWEAR" section. I spent some 
time(and my OWN) money having several of these items fabricated for our 
ARES Team. I decided to make the information available to ANYONE who was 
interested in ARES-RACES ID products. FYI, according to Jim, the magnetic 
vehicle signs can be REVISED for your particular Team. Check out the 
following URL:

         http://www.voicenet.com/~ikemay/areswear.htm


THANKS!

Mike
W3MJP
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>From: "John Burch" <occupant@rushmore.com>
>To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:25:09 -0600
>Subject: [Ares-races] Magnetic Vehicle Signs?
>
>Do any of you have a source for *good* magnetic
>signs that would be useful in ARES/RACES activities?
>
>These signs would be used for identifying certain vehicles
>as those involved in the execution of emergency radio
>communications.
>
>Thanks for your time and help with this question.
>
>73 de John

Mike Patton, CRNA, PHRN, Esquire
W3MJP
ARECC Level II Certification
Emergency Coordinator
Bucks County Amateur Radio Emergency Service(EPA- District 1)
Bucks County, Pennsylvania
Bucks County ARES web site: www.voicenet.com/~ikemay/ares.htm
E-mail: buckscountyares@comcast.net
215-491-0569(Office/Fax)
1-866-966-ARES(Emergency Activation)
http://findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?w3mjp
w3mjp@arrl.net




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DISTINCTIONS"

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From dougy@ruraltel.net  Sun Jul 21 01:02:39 2002
From: dougy@ruraltel.net (Doug Younker)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:02:39 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] government purchased amateur radio equipment
References: <200207191539.AA503317058@totalzone.com>
Message-ID: <014a01c2304c$b26c87a0$3d13e118@dougy>

With due respect, their has to be some permanently installed equipment where
Amateur stations are be planned to be used to assist getting on air as
quickly as possible, i.e. antenna systems.  If these aren't inspected
periodically, the "throw-down" approach is as susceptible as permanently
installed stations.  What ever approach an ARES or RACES group uses, it's
critical that some one takes on the responsibility of regular inspection of
any equipment permanently installed for use by AR.  Besides the obvious
need, it will go a long way to demonstrate your groups commitment and desire
to work in a professional manner.  A locking file cabinet goes a long way of
preserving original manuals after  copying, the personate pages to be placed
at operating positions.--73
Doug, N0LKK
 dougy@ruraltel.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Reimer" <jreimer@totalzone.com>
To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <jreimer@totalzone.com>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [Ares-races] Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #43 - 7 msgs


:
: Generally, I am opposed to government purchased amateur radio equipment.
My opposition is because it gets purchased, installed, and briefly used.
Following an initial period, first the manuals get lost, then the equipment
stops working, and no one seems to ever get around to getting it repaired.
When the hams show up to use it, it doesn't work.
:
: In my experience, it is much better for individual hams to bring in their
own gear for several reasons.  First, they are very familiar with it.
Second, it probably works, because it gets used very often, :
: If they must, let government spend our tax money on their dedicated,
proprietary trunking systems.  When they quit working, hams can show up and
bring in our throw-down gear that works.
:
: KK5CA
: DEC, Harris County Texas
:
: : >>county. It seems that no
:


From k1ike@snet.net  Sun Jul 21 13:20:15 2002
From: k1ike@snet.net (JOE)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 08:20:15 -0400
Subject: [Ares-races] government purchased amateur radio equipment
In-Reply-To: <014a01c2304c$b26c87a0$3d13e118@dougy>
References: <200207191539.AA503317058@totalzone.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020721081437.00ba8150@pop.snet.net>

This is where packet radio comes into play.  I have my town government 2 
meter station playing on packet radio 24/7/365.  This gives me quick 
notification of when the station/power supply/antenna/feedline/etc fail 
because my phone rings to tell me that the packet station is not working 
properly.  It also alerts me of theft of the equipment, as it will go off 
the air.

Consider putting your station on packet radio, possibly the local APRS or 
DX cluster frequency.  Turn the power down to midrange so as to conserve 
the equipment (although packet radio duty cycle is low) and let the ham 
community keep you informed as to your stations health.

73, Joe, K1ike

At 07:02 PM 7/20/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>ares-races@mailman.qth.net

Following an initial period, first the manuals get lost, then the equipment
stops working, and no one seems to ever get around to getting it repaired.
When the hams show up to use it, it doesn't work.


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From Lloyd Colston" <lloyd@colston.com  Sun Jul 21 13:56:20 2002
From: Lloyd Colston" <lloyd@colston.com (Lloyd Colston)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] Missing Manuals
References: <20020721080104.76161328669@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <00b701c230b8$22ca6380$6769d940@lloyd>

Just my two cents...

If manuals were missing, that tells me that

(1)    the volunteers were not active in the program, regularly drilling
with the rest of the team, not coming to the team meetings, not maintaining
the equipment, etc.

or

(2)    the leadership changes in the EM community did not understand the
importance of the manuals

OR

(3)    a combination of one and two.

The reality of this is that, if you are involved in the program, if you are
my volunteer, I won't disturb your work.  In fact, I will do everything I
can do to help you succeed in your mission, as long as you are helping me
move mine.

If you check out of the program, mentally or physically, you may find your
post replaced or your equipment removed.  Space is a premium in our EOC.  If
you won't come to play, then I must justify keeping the equipment in place.
Since I am a ham, I can justify it.  The next director probably will not.

Lloyd Colston                  Mayes County Emergency Management
Pryor, OK  USA                  http://www.geocities.com/mccem
           "When the Citizen in America is prepared,
                       then ALL of America is prepared."


From kd5czm1@iwon.com  Sun Jul 21 19:48:05 2002
From: kd5czm1@iwon.com (kd5czm1@iwon.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:48:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ares-races] Gov't provided gear
Message-ID: <20020721184805.D68DD27C67@email.iwon.com>

 Thank goodness the EMP in our county recognized the value of amateur radio at his EOC.  HE found the GRANT MONEY to fund an HF/VHF station and as far as maintaining the radio room his dictum is "whatever makes you happy, makes me happy." That is, tell me what you need and I'll find a way to get it. Joe GuerraEC Kleberg County, TXKD5CZMGood things come to those who wait.--- On Sun 07/21, &lt; ares-races-request@mailman.qth.net &gt; wrote:From: [mailto: ares-races-request@mailman.qth.net]To: ares-races@mailman.qth.netDate: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 04:01:04 -0400 (EDT)Subject: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #45 - 2 msgsSend ARES-RACES mailing list submissions toares-races@mailman.qth.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' toares-races-request@mailman.qth.netYou can reach the person managing the list atares-races-admin@mailman.qth.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ARES-RACES digest..."Today's Topics:1. Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #40 - 1 msg (Mike P.)2. government purchased amateur radio equipment (Doug Younker)--__--__--Message: 1Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:15:55 -0400From: "Mike P." To: ares-races@mailman.qth.netSubject: [Ares-races] Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #40 - 1 msgHowdy John!Not sure IF this is what you are looking for but feel free to check out the Bucks County ARES web site's "ARESWEAR" section. I spent some time(and my OWN) money having several of these items fabricated for our ARES Team. I decided to make the information available to ANYONE who was interested in ARES-RACES ID products. FYI, according to Jim, the magnetic vehicle signs can be REVISED for your particular Team. Check out the following URL:http://www.voicenet.com/~ikemay/areswear.htmTHANKS!MikeW3MJP******************************************************************************************************************************************************&gt;Today's Topics:&gt;&gt; 1. Magnetic Vehicle Signs? (John Burch)&gt;&gt;-- __--__-- &gt;&gt;Message: 1&gt;From: "John Burch" &gt;To: &gt;Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:25:09 -0600&gt;Subject: [Ares-races] Magnetic Vehicle Signs?&gt;&gt;Do any of you have a source for *good* magnetic&gt;signs that would be useful in ARES/RACES activities?&gt;&gt;These signs would be used for identifying certain vehicles&gt;as those involved in the execution of emergency radio&gt;communications.&gt;&gt;Thanks for your time and help with this question.&gt;&gt;73 de JohnMike Patton, CRNA, PHRN, EsquireW3MJPARECC Level II CertificationEmergency CoordinatorBucks County Amateur Radio Emergency Service(EPA- District 1)Bucks County, PennsylvaniaBucks County ARES web site: www.voicenet.com/~ikemay/ares.htmE-mail: buckscountyares@comcast.net215-491-0569(Office/Fax)1-866-966-ARES(Emergency Activation)http://findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?w3mjpw3mjp@arrl.net"SERVICE TO OTHERS IS THE HIGHEST OF DISTINCTIONS"- Unknown--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---multipart/alternativetext/plain (text body -- kept)text/htmlThe reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTMLor had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed.Please post in Plain-Text only.-----__--__--Message: 2From: "Doug Younker" To: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:02:39 -0500Organization: None what so everSubject: [Ares-races] government purchased amateur radio equipmentWith due respect, their has to be some permanently installed equipment whereAmateur stations are be planned to be used to assist getting on air asquickly as possible, i.e. antenna systems. If these aren't inspectedperiodically, the "throw-down" approach is as susceptible as permanentlyinstalled stations. What ever approach an ARES or RACES group uses, it'scritical that some one takes on the responsibility of regular inspection ofany equipment permanently installed for use by AR. Besides the obviousneed, it will go a long way to demonstrate your groups commitment and desireto work in a professional manner. A locking file cabinet goes a long way ofpreserving original manuals after copying, the personate pages to be placedat operating positions.--73Doug, N0LKKdougy@ruraltel.net----- Original Message -----From: "Jerry Reimer" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:39 PMSubject: [Ares-races] Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #43 - 7 msgs:: Generally, I am opposed to government purchased amateur radio equipment.My opposition is because it gets purchased, installed, and briefly used.Following an initial period, first the manuals get lost, then the equipmentstops working, and no one seems to ever get around to getting it repaired.When the hams show up to use it, it doesn't work.:: In my experience, it is much better for individual hams to bring in theirown gear for several reasons. First, they are very familiar with it.Second, it probably works, because it gets used very often, :: If they must, let government spend our tax money on their dedicated,proprietary trunking systems. When they quit working, hams can show up andbring in our throw-down gear that works.:: KK5CA: DEC, Harris County Texas:: : &gt;&gt;county. It seems that no:--__--__--_______________________________________________ARES-RACES mailing listARES-RACES@mailman.qth.nethttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesEnd of ARES-RACES Digest

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From km5qf@hotmail.com  Sun Jul 21 22:04:41 2002
From: km5qf@hotmail.com (Chad~~KM5QF~~)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:04:41 -0500
Subject: [Ares-races] Gov't provided gear spam???
References: <20020721184805.D68DD27C67@email.iwon.com>
Message-ID: <DAV52a9u0LDpR4z4mSR0000e7b9@hotmail.com>

what is this?
spam?
advertising?
poor letter writing skills?
annoying


----- Original Message -----
From: <kd5czm1@iwon.com>
To: <ares-races@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: [Ares-races] Gov't provided gear


> Thank goodness the EMP in our county recognized the value of amateur radio
at his EOC.  HE found the GRANT MONEY to fund an HF/VHF station and as far
as maintaining the radio room his dictum is "whatever makes you happy, makes
me happy." That is, tell me what you need and I'll find a way to get it. Joe
GuerraEC Kleberg County, TXKD5CZMGood things come to those who wait.--- On
Sun 07/21, &lt; ares-races-request@mailman.qth.net &gt; wrote:From: [mailto:
ares-races-request@mailman.qth.net]To: ares-races@mailman.qth.netDate: Sun,
21 Jul 2002 04:01:04 -0400 (EDT)Subject: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #45 - 2
msgsSend ARES-RACES mailing list submissions toares-races@mailman.qth.netTo
subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web,
visithttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-racesor, via email, send a
message with subject or body 'help' toares-races-request@mailman.qth.netYou
can reach the person managing the list
atares-races-admin@mailman.qth.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject
line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ARES-RACES
digest..."Today's Topics:1. Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #40 - 1 msg (Mike
P.)2. government purchased amateur radio equipment (Doug
Younker)--__--__--Message: 1Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:15:55 -0400From: "Mike
P." To: ares-races@mailman.qth.netSubject: [Ares-races] Re: ARES-RACES
digest, Vol 1 #40 - 1 msgHowdy John!Not sure IF this is what you are looking
for but feel free to check out the Bucks County ARES web site's "ARESWEAR"
section. I spent some time(and my OWN) money having several of these items
fabricated for our ARES Team. I decided to make the information available to
ANYONE who was interested in ARES-RACES ID products. FYI, according to Jim,
the magnetic vehicle signs can be REVISED for your particular Team. Check
out the following
URL:http://www.voicenet.com/~ikemay/areswear.htmTHANKS!MikeW3MJP************
****************************************************************************
**************************************************************&gt;Today's
Topics:&gt;&
> gt; 1. Magnetic Vehicle Signs? (John Burch)&gt;&gt;-- __--__--
&gt;&gt;Message: 1&gt;From: "John Burch" &gt;To: &gt;Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002
18:25:09 -0600&gt;Subject: [Ares-races] Magnetic Vehicle Signs?&gt;&gt;Do
any of you have a source for *good* magnetic&gt;signs that would be useful
in ARES/RACES activities?&gt;&gt;These signs would be used for identifying
certain vehicles&gt;as those involved in the execution of emergency
radio&gt;communications.&gt;&gt;Thanks for your time and help with this
question.&gt;&gt;73 de JohnMike Patton, CRNA, PHRN, EsquireW3MJPARECC Level
II CertificationEmergency CoordinatorBucks County Amateur Radio Emergency
Service(EPA- District 1)Bucks County, PennsylvaniaBucks County ARES web
site: www.voicenet.com/~ikemay/ares.htmE-mail:
buckscountyares@comcast.net215-491-0569(Office/Fax)1-866-966-ARES(Emergency
Activation)http://findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?w3mjpw3mjp@arrl.net"SERVICE TO
OTHERS IS THE HIGHEST OF DISTINCTIONS"- Unknown--- StripMime Report --
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20 Jul 2002 19:02:39 -0500Organization: None what so everSubject:
[Ares-races] government purchased amateur radio equipmentWith due respect,
their has to be some permanently installed equipment whereAmateur stations
are be planned to be used to assist getting on air asquickly as possible,
i.e. antenna systems. If these aren't inspectedperiodically, the
"throw-down" approach is as susceptible as permanentlyinstalled stations.
What ever approach an ARES or RACES group uses, it'scritical that some one
takes on the responsibility of regular inspection ofany equipment
permanently installed for use by AR. Besides the obviousneed, it will go a
long way to demonstrate your groups commitment and desireto work in a
professional manner. A locking file cabinet goes a
>  long way ofpreserving original manuals after copying, the personate pages
to be placedat operating positions.--73Doug, N0LKKdougy@ruraltel.net-----
Original Message -----From: "Jerry Reimer" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 19,
2002 3:39 PMSubject: [Ares-races] Re: ARES-RACES digest, Vol 1 #43 - 7
msgs:: Generally, I am opposed to government purchased amateur radio
equipment.My opposition is because it gets purchased, installed, and briefly
used.Following an initial period, first the manuals get lost, then the
equipmentstops working, and no one seems to ever get around to getting it
repaired.When the hams show up to use it, it doesn't work.:: In my
experience, it is much better for individual hams to bring in theirown gear
for several reasons. First, they are very familiar with it.Second, it
probably works, because it gets used very often, :: If they must, let
government spend our tax money on their dedicated,proprietary trunking
systems. When they quit working, hams can show up andbring in our throw-down
gear that works.:: KK5CA: DEC, Harris County Texas:: : &gt;&gt;county. It
seems that
no:--__--__--_______________________________________________ARES-RACES
mailing
listARES-RACES@mailman.qth.nethttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ares-r
acesEnd of ARES-RACES Digest
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From ranecurl@engin.umich.edu  Mon Jul 22 14:55:21 2002
From: ranecurl@engin.umich.edu (Rane Curl)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ares-races] Placement of tower guys.
In-Reply-To: <014a01c2304c$b26c87a0$3d13e118@dougy>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0207220952260.21937-100000@green.engin.umich.edu>

Can anyone direct me to codes, standards or recommendations on the
placement of 3-guyed tower guys when circumstances do not allow
120 degree placement? That is, in regard to "allowable" deviations
from 120 degrees?

--Rane L Curl,   N8REG



From kd5czm1@iwon.com  Mon Jul 22 23:52:44 2002
From: kd5czm1@iwon.com (kd5czm1@iwon.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:52:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ares-races] annoying govt spam
Message-ID: <20020722225244.A2A0E27C9E@email.iwon.com>

 My apologies to the hams subscribing to this list.  It appears that when I reply I am to start from scratch, otherwise the power editor will attach all postings to my reply.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Joe  KD5CZMGood things come to those who wait.

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From BillLennox@aol.com  Mon Jul 29 22:49:23 2002
From: BillLennox@aol.com (BillLennox@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:49:23 EDT
Subject: [Ares-races] RACES Activated Following DC-Area Train Derailment
Message-ID: <76.1fee8d40.2a771263@aol.com>

From:  www.arrl.org

RACES Activated Following DC-Area Train Derailment

NEWINGTON, CT, Jul 29, 2002--The Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service
(RACES) in Montgomery County, Maryland, has activated following a passenger
train derailment in the Washington, DC, area. Montgomery County Deputy
RACES Officer John Creel, WB3GXW, reports that up to 11 cars of an Amtrak
train bound for the nation's capital from Chicago were lying on their sides. 
Creel
said many people were injured, some seriously. No fatalities have been 
reported. 

"The 146.955 repeater is being used," Creel said. "We will be staffing the 
Hospital
Radio Net." Creel said 100-degree temperatures were complicating the rescue 
effort.
The train wreck occurred in Kensington, Maryland, just north of Washington. 

At least 14 RACES members responded to the activation, and one
operator--Montgomery County RACES Officer Howard Gorden, W3CQH--was at
the scene of the crash. Other operators have been stationed at the Montgomery
County Emergency Operations Center as well as at two local hospitals--Suburban
Hospital in Bethesda and Holy Cross in Silver Spring. Creel said amateurs may 
be
deployed to local shelters as well. 

Creel said much of the traffic the RACES team was handling concerned 
casualties.
"There are a lot of 'walking wounded' that they may need to move to 
shelters," he
said. In addition to the 2-meter repeater net, Creel said, RACES members also 
were
helping to operate the county's 800-MHz trunked radio system. Although the
Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) has not activated, Creel said, many
RACES members also belong to ARES. 

Rescue workers were attempting to free passengers trapped in the rail cars, 
one of
which reportedly rolled down an embankment. Some passengers kicked out windows
to escape, but others remained trapped, according to news reports. 

Dozens of rescuers are on the scene. The train derailed at approximately 2 PM 
Eastern Time--some 10 minutes from its
destination. 


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From KC0LFV@ICEng.Com  Wed Jul 31 18:21:56 2002
From: KC0LFV@ICEng.Com (Joshua Heidbrink (KC0LFV))
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:21:56 -0600
Subject: [Ares-races] From QRZ.com
Message-ID: <3D481CB3.3090008@ICEng.Com>

A plan is now in effect in many states that will issue "Amber Alerts" 
when a child is reported missing or abducted.  This system is activated 
via state authorities using the EAS (Emergency Alert System) equipment 
that TV and Radio broadcasting stations have as part of the system that 
replaced the old EBS that was to be activated as part of local or 
national emergencies.  What a great idea!  I am wondering if it would be 
possible to have some sort of Amateur radio participation, especially on 
the 2 meter and 440 mhz repeater bands when an alert of this sort goes 
out.  As Amateurs, we are usually highly mobile and out and about and 
could be of great public assistance by disemmination of these alerts to 
a bunch of folks who can be on the lookout for vehicles, perpetrators 
and the children who match the descriptions when these alerts are 
activated.  Maybe we could even take this a step further by implementing 
some sort of decoding reciever into primary coverage and usage 
repeaters.  Of course, there are recievers built that broadcast stations 
use for the EBS that can be programmed for certain alerts, be it severe 
weather, different emergencies covering certain counties, or a statewide 
Amber Alert, that can be inserted into audio lines.  At the very least, 
lets all be aware of the system and when an alert is broadcast, keep our 
eyes open, microphones ready, and be ready to put forth this extremely 
worthwhile service to the community.  Who knows, it might help save a 
childs life someday.  As a father, this is something that I think about 
daily, even several or more times.

For more information check out this site.

http://www.missingkids.com/html/amberplan.html

Whats more important than the kids?
73' de KE0VH