Success! I found the problem. It just seemed like SOMETHING was being told to draw way too much, so I started looking at the control circuitry.

There is a small (10 watt) variable resistor (remember the cigar-sized Ohmite "Dividohm" with the exposed resistance wire and a sliding clamp)? A small version of one of those. It was completely open circuit! And its function is to set the voltage output via a carbon pile regulator which drove the 400 Hz generator field. So with it open, the field (rotor) was driving wide-open all the time. Which means the RPM was excessively high and likewise lots of power going somewhere it shouldn't. Glad I didn't fry it.

Given the clamp position, it looked like it should be somewhere around 350-400 ohms. So I tacked in a handy 383 ohm power resistor, and left the 150 ohm wirewound adjustment pot (which also had some oxidation but improved after working it back and forth) in the center where it had been.

Fired it up with the usual horrendous starting surge, near 20 amps primary transformer current on the Amprobe, transformer ratio 18:210 taps = 11.7:1. That 220 amps I measured on the transformer secondary wasn't so far off after all! Primary current dropped to 10 amps as the machine spun up, as before... but suddenly, there was an audible entry to closed-loop operation just like letting off the gas, and the primary current immediately dropped to just 3.5 amps. That translates to 41 secondary amps which is (estimated 41/1.8)* = 23 DC amps... not bad for nameplate 115 full load amps. *(Signal Transformer's power supply design catalog says the RMS secondary current is 1.8 amps the DC current in a capacitor-input, bridge rectifier system).

DC power supply volts under that load now up to 23 with less ripple, RPM sounding more reasonable too. Should be much better once my 220,000 uF filter cap gets here later this week.

And without even tweaking the pot, there is exactly 115 VAC measured with my Triplett 630-A on all three line-to-lines (A-B/gnd, C-B/gnd and A-C)! So it really is a 115 delta with corner ground. I still can't tell if that will work with a Collins 618T-2 or not. The schematic says it should, showing a 115 delta input to the HVPS, but the literature keeps referring to 115/208Y which is the current aircraft standard...

Haven't loaded it yet because I don't have the bridge rectifier properly cooled (just a 3x4" heat sink that might not be enough for frequent or prolonged use).
I will check the frequency too, although it's not adjustable (fixed parallel-resonant LC).

About the resistor, I don't have an exact replacement (750 ohm)...does anyone have one on hand? 500 ohm would also work fine. Or I'll just mount the 383 fixed resistor in there! :)


On 2/26/22 15:23, Charles wrote:

It's not the capacitor on phase A.  Oh pooh. Now I have to look for zebras rather than horses...

Yes, I am aware of the basic motor physics ;) That "about a second" is with a stiff supply. Mine is apparently not stiff enough <that's what she said> :D

My original plan was to acquire a 618T with the 400 Hz three-phase supply - usually much cheaper than the 28 vdc or the 400 Hz single phase versions. But this inverter is becoming a real white elephant. It would be running all the time, not PTT like the ART-13.

Anyway I am tempted to go buy a pair of car batteries and find out, just because I'm stubborn that way! (My two "ARC-5" receivers have their dynamotors, but I only run one at a time, and the 28v supply I built with a handy Stancor RT-204 transformer has no trouble).

Charles, WB3JOK/0 since '76


On 2/26/22 15:13, Christopher Bowne wrote:
No, just a an Ames (Harbor Freight) 80 buck multimeter with a clamp on AC or DC ammeter.

Peak current is always at initial 0 RPM, as the motor winds up the counter EMF brings the current down in about a second. Basic
DC motor physics.  Considering the instrument pedigree I take no responsibility for the accuracy of the reported result.

As an alternative to floating batteries on the output of a DC supply, one could implement a step starter circuit, but you would need
some hefty dropping resistors and contactor relays.  Wouldn’t lend itself to quick PTT operation on voice.

Chris AJ1G
Stonington CT

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On Feb 26, 2022, at 15:38, Charles <[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks, there's a data point of 5 times the nameplate.. What was the decay time of that 160 amp peak (did you use a scope)?

If I HAD a couple of spare car batteries I'd certainly try them ;) but have you seen the prices lately? they start at $55 plus core plus tax at Wally World...


On 2/26/22 13:37, Christopher Bowne wrote:
I’ve measured the peak inrush current on my ART-13’s DY-17A dynamotor,  it was a nominal 160 amps.  Just float a couple of 12 batteries across the output of your supply, make sure that they are fully charged and full sized automotive or deep cycle marine type, small one may not deliver enough peak current to preclude tripping the output breaker in on your high current supply.

Chris AJ1G
Stonington CT

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On Feb 26, 2022, at 13:57, Charles via ARC5 <[email protected]> wrote:

I am sure I would have no trouble starting a DY-17 with a 33 amp full load rating. This beast is 3.5 times that full load draw and consequently any surge current would likely also be 3.5 times that...

Anyway I am going to investigate shorts on the AC side, and my prime suspect is the (noise reduction?) capacitor on A phase. Hope it's not the armature. It does have a repair request tag from the 80's or 90's (don't remember at moment) and an unreadable "Serviceable" tag. The electromechanical regulator (carbon piles!) will get a look after I check the cap. Something else I have no experience with.



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