[ARC5] [External Sender] Re: RFI noise sources

Wed Aug 28 10:59:27 EDT 2024

Yes, those new power meters can and often do generate interference.

Seems they work together in some kind of network.

If you find this to be the case (RFI generation) contact your power company.

 - Bill H. / va3hwa

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 10:53 PM hwhall--- via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

> Some people have claimed that the new smart-meter power line meters have
> been sources of broadband interference.
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 11:19:03 AM MDT, Bob Groh <
> bob.groh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Larry, your noise problem is Very interesting. Hope you keep us apprised
> of what happens. Certainly that noise level is totally unacceptable. The
> fact that if you kill the ac power to your house, nothing happens is a clue
> - it is NOT in your house but it is certainly related to the ac power
> feed.  I would wage a guess that is a 'leaky' or bad insulator on the ac
> power line in your immediate vicinity. What you might try is taking your
> portable radio, outdoors and going some distance away (in all directions)
> from your house and listening and recording the noise level. You may want
> to drive in your car as you might have go a couple of miles away.
>
> Well worth the time. Take a look at ARRL site and the web - lots on both
> on ac line noise sources and tales of wandering around neighborhoods
> wacking at power poles with a small sledge hammer.
>
> 73 and good luck!!
>
> Bob Groh, WA2CKY
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 10:48 PM Larry Osborne <ozinret at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a similar, but worse, problem. I retired several years ago and I
> finally got my ham license. I have played with HF since I was 12 (although
> I stopped transmitting illegally when I was 16 or so), and looked forward
> to finally being legal. One night I was aligning a Heathkit Mohican when
> suddenly the whole shebang was overrun with noise. I figured I had done
> something stupid and went to bed figuring I'd see what I had done wrong the
> next day.
>
> But the noise was still there. My Kenwood had always shown noise at about
> the S3 or 4 level, which was bad but still usable. Now the noise pinned the
> needle. Same thing on my vintage sets and my Sangean portable. When we had
> the big ice storm and the power was off the noise went back down to S3.
>
> There doesn't seem to be a source of the noise; I've tried to locate it.
> No luck; there's no null anywhere. It happened all of a sudden. It's power
> related (but that might mean it's caused by something *being* powered). I
> tried turning off the master circuit breaker for the house, hoping I had
> something causing it plugged in … no dice. I've tried phasing noise
> cancellers, directional antennas, magnetic antennas, all sorts of things.
> Very irritating. Everything from AM broadcast to 30 mHz is useless in my
> whole neighborhood.
>
>
> Larry Osborne Ph.D. (Ret.)
>    No longer an authority on anything
> KI7UFC
> +1 808.630.8176
>      or via W.A.S.T.E.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 1:28 PM Tim <timsamm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Didn't want to hijack the Code Wheel  thread...However:  Interesting RFI
> paper Steve - Thanks...
>
> Just for fun I just tuned my HF receiver from 7.0 to 8.0 mc.  Located in
> Suburbia, low halfwave dipole, noise floor at quiet freqs about S2 at 1315
> Local.
> I counted 24 hashy, fairly broad noise sources in that band that showed
> above S4, there were many other weaker ones.  You can even see their
> presence on some remotely located SDR sites that were picked as to be
> "quiet".  You can watch them drift around in the waterfall tuning
> ranges...Probably local to the antenna.
>
> Since I work 40 CW fairly often I find these things drift around and
> invariably land on that weak CW op I am trying to work. They then drift
> away after a minute or so.
> Since our ((not)great) power utility power company fails pretty often
> around here I get a chance to scan the bands while the neighborhood is
> "out" using battery powered receivers - very quiet.  I did find a bad wall
> wart in my own house that way - it powered a USB gizmo.  Replaced, S9 noise
> gone from that one; gave it a new attitude with a ball peen hammer...
>
> Anyway my $ 0.02
> Thanks, Tim
> N6CC
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