[ARC5] Jeep’s with ARC-5 radios
MARK DORNEY
mkdorney at aol.com
Sat Jul 31 19:27:57 EDT 2021
Also, no batteries visible
Mark D.
WW2RDO
“In matters of style, float with the current. In matters of Principle, stand like a rock. “. - Thomas Jefferson
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> On Jul 31, 2021, at 7:07 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
>
>
> There is no room for an operator in the vehicle with all that equipment in it.
> Unless the driver is the operator?
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
> Cc: arc5 at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 3:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [ARC5] Jeep’s with ARC-5 radios
>
> The SCR-274-N requires no radio operator.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MARK DORNEY <mkdorney at aol.com>
> Sent: Jul 31, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: Kenneth G. Gordon <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
> Cc: MARK DORNEY via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ARC5] Jeep’s with ARC-5 radios
>
> You need to put 4 automotive batteries wired in series, the APU, the radios and a radios operator in a vehicle with less room in it than a Yugo. You can’t have the operator sit with his feet on the batteries ( could cause a serious short). And the APU needs to be mounted in such a way as to prevent burns from the engine exhaust pipe and not expose the vehicle occupants to carbon monoxide from the APU engine exhaust if it is run while mounted in the Jeep. There is no room for an operator in the vehicle with all that equipment in it. There is also no evidence of an APU in any of the photos where these radios are already mounted in the vehicle. Mounting the APU and the battery bank in a 1/4 ton trailer is simply the most practical solution to the problem, if you have to use an SCR-274 in jeep. The 3/4 ton WC series vehicles have fewer problems. Obviously, there is room to mount everything and room for the operator. There is still the problem of exposing the vehicle occupan
> ts to burns from the APU engine exhaust pipe, and from exposing them to the carbon monoxide from the APU engine exhaust.
>
> Mark D.
> WW2RDO
>
> “In matters of style, float with the current. In matters of Principle, stand like a rock. “. - Thomas Jefferson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 31, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Kenneth G. Gordon wrote:
> > On 31 Jul 2021 at 11:40, MARK DORNEY via ARC5 wrote:
> >
> >> I think we´ve established that the only way to practically run an
> >> ARC-5 set up on a WW2 Jeep is to run it off an APU or to have a
> >> battery bank set up somewhere to provide 24 volt power to the set,
> >> since there was no conversion kit for the WW2 jeep to run 24 volt
> >> power, and Jeep´s and other light vehicles weren´t converted to run a
> >> 24 volt electrical system until the 1950s. More than likely this
> >> generator or APU was run separately from the vehicle, perhaps towed
> >> behind it on a trailer.
> >
> > I don't agree: small 24 V APUs were available from quite early on in WWII. They would not
> > have needed to be "towed". The one I am familiar with could have very easily be set down in
> > the Jeep's passenger seat area.
> >
> >> Batteries could be charged together or
> >> separately, depending on what was available to charge them. So what
> >> is needed now are pictures of the power set-up. It would have to be
> >> pictures, since there was no official 24 volt set up authorized by any
> >> military until well after the war. Even the PTO radio Jeep's purpose
> >> built during WW2 were 12 volt.
> >
> > Although I agree with your assessment for the most part, I am also trying to envision what I
> > would have done in a similar situation. I also agree completely that at this point in our
> > discussion we should consider the primary power source. What was it most likely to be?
> >
> > First of all, I cannot imagine that this setup would have been used for an extended period of
> > time, like to monitor used frequencies, mimicing a control tower. IMHO, it would have been
> > used for short periods when the aircraft involved were assembling, taking off, and returning
> > from a mission. I think it would have been called upon when needed, and not operated
> > continuously. If this is true, this, alone, would indicate battery power.
> >
> > Secondly, it seems to me that the technicians involved must have wanted to come up with
> > the simplest method of getting the job done. This, to me, would preclude doing any extensive
> > modifications, or in fact ANY modifications, to the equipment itself. There is also the fact that
> > modifications to military equipment was frowned upon.
> >
> > Taking only these two factors into account, it would seem to me that the simplest solution
> > would be simply two 12 V or four 6 V well--charged batteries. A pair of large 6 V batteries
> > were used in the 10 kW PE-95 generator to "motor" the generator for starting.
> >
> > The fact that the passenger's seat is not there would tend to lend credance to this scenario.
> >
> > The second less-simplest method would be the use of a 24 V APU, which, given that this
> > Jeep was being used at a forward air-field, these APUs may have been available. These
> > units were commonly available some time during WWII. I remember I had one once: a small,
> > yellow job using a single-cylinder engine which may have been a 2 cycle. It was a rope start
> > unit. As I remember it (dangerous at my age) it was capable of around 500 watts.
> >
> > These were small enough to be set down in any Jeep where the front passenger seat would
> > have been.
> >
> > It would really be nice to see a photo of the interior of this Jeep, or one like it, as you have
> > mentioned.
> >
> > BTW, I have 12 V dynamotors here which were used during WWII, I have two types, one
> > normally used in a receiver, outputting 250 VDC, used, I believe, in the BC-603/683 (?)
> > receivers (DM-35 maybe), and those normally used in the accompanying transmitters,
> > outputting 600 VDC. I am sure that although these were from tank-radios, I would think that
> > they would have been available in Iran at the time. Even so, using them would require
> > modifying the "ARC-5" equipment, and at this point, I don't think that would have been done.
> >
> >> "The game is afoot"
> >
> > Yes, it most certainly is. I am thoroughly enjoying this discussion as it shows, again, how our
> > radios were used in actual combat situations. The technicians, many of whom were hams
> > BTW, were ingenious and used what they had. Good for them.
> >
> > Ken W7EKB
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