[ARC5] Was the P-51 Mustang unbeatable?

[Tim]

Scott said " Fighters don’t win wars, Bombers win wars.  Fighters protect
bombers."

Bumper stickers frequently seen around NAS Alameda, (home of VA-304 an A-6
Intruder squadron) in the 1970's:

"Fighter pilots make Movies.  Attack pilots make History"

Gotta love them Zoomies....LOL
Tim
N6CC

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:48 PM <scottjohnson1 at cox.net> wrote:

> Fighters don’t win wars, Bombers win wars.  Fighters protect bombers.
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> *From:* Captain D. <mkdorney at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 6:43 PM
> *To:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net; scottjohnson1 at cox.net
> *Subject:* Re: [ARC5] Was the P-51 Mustang unbeatable?
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> The "Dora" model of the FW-190 was every bit as good as the P-51.  There
> just wasn't enough of them to turn the tide in Europe.
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> Mark D.
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> WW2RDO
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> In a message dated 8/17/2021 9:19:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> scottjohnson1 at cox.net writes:
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> I beg to differ:
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> The Thunderbird F-16s are not modified in any great fashion.  With a new
> paint job, and the removal of the smoke system, they are combat ready.
> Almost all military jet engines I can think of can run in any attitude.
> Like larger aircraft reciprocating engines, they have a dry sump oiling
> system, which simply require that the oil tank have a pivoting pickup tube,
> or alternate pickups.
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> The Packard Merlin V-1650 was water cooled, so certainly it didn’t need as
> much displacement to make an equivalent amount of power.  Less frontal area
> as well.  The ultimate version of the Allison V-1710 made 3000 HP. Quite
> impressive for an engine that turned at less than 3000 RPM.  BTW, the
> Nakajima Sakae in the A6M was essentially a metric pattern Wright R-1830
> (the Sakae was 1687 cu. In.)  It delivered about 1200 HP at takeoff, the
> V-1650-7 in the P-51D developed 1490 HP at T.O.
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> Scott
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> *From:* arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net <arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Eleazer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 5:40 PM
> *To:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* [ARC5] Was the P-51 Mustang unbeatable?
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> The ability to fly upside down is a compeletly useless capability for a
> military aircraft.  No production military aircraft, from 1944 or 1984 or
> 2021 is capable of flying upside down for more than 10 sec. Interesting
> that the P-40 flight manual, the F-86 flight manual and the F-16 flight
> manual all say the same thing on that subject.
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> Acro display aircaft, such as the Thunderbirds F-16's are various civilian
> airshow machines are modified with inverted fuel and oil systems.
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> Early war Spitfires and Hurricanes could not dive after enemy aircraft
> because they had float type carburetors in their Merlin engines that could
> handle neither negative G nor the flood of fuel that accompanies pulling
> out of negative G. US built engines, including the Allison and US built
> Merlins had pressure type carburetors that essentially were a form of
> throttle body injection and could handle shoving over into a dive with no
> problem.
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> The odd thing about the Merlin engined P-51 was that it was a world beater
> but was equipped with the smallest dispacement front line aircraft engine
> of the entire war.  Even the Japanese Zero had bigger engine.
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> Wayne
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