[ARC5] B-17 Crash Near Hartford CT
CARL HUETHER
k1uhy at comcast.net
Fri Oct 4 10:49:04 EDT 2019
Did they have 115/145 widely available during WW2 especially during the South and Central Pacific operations? Lots of USN tankers sprung big leaks due to Jap subs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas
> On October 4, 2019 at 4:50 AM Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, but it is not available. 100LL can be used at reduced manifold pressure to avoid pre ignition. Reduced MP means less power. Preignition can quickly destroy an engine.
>
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> On Oct 4, 2019, at 03:40, Doran Platt < jeepp at comcast.net mailto:jeepp at comcast.net > wrote:
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> > >
> > Didn't thse engines need 115/145 avgas?
> >
> > > > > On October 4, 2019 at 12:21 AM Mark K3MSB < mark.k3msb at gmail.com mailto:mark.k3msb at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > NTSB Press Briefing
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoLU-I6C4Uo#action=share
> > >
> > > Pilot radioed ATC they had a problem with an engine. NTSB has the engine.
> > > Fuel sample in right wing -- 100 LL
> > > A/C made initial contact with the approach lights about 1000 ft from threshold end of RWY 06; hit 30 approach lights total.
> > >
> > > 73 Mark K3MSB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 8:52 PM Peter Gottlieb < kb2vtl at gmail.com mailto:kb2vtl at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > The NTSB investigators are very good and I'm sure they will be thorough and
> > > > figure out what happened.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/3/2019 8:45 PM, CARL HUETHER wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect a very few (thankfully) on here are fueled with adult beverages and
> > > > > are unable to control their fat mouth from spewing venom.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On October 3, 2019 at 7:54 PM Peter Gottlieb < kb2vtl at gmail.com mailto:kb2vtl at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Well like one person suggested, it may have been fueled with jet-a. Easy to
> > > > >> determine.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Peter
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Mike Bracey < mikebracey at att.net mailto:mikebracey at att.net > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It sounds like the pilot might have stalled the plane trying to make it back
> > > > >>> back to the field. The mystery is why was he losing power. A B-17 will fly
> > > > >>> all day on 3 engines. The first rule is fly the plane. After control is
> > > > >>> established, cut the fuel to the bad engine, feather the prop and pull the
> > > > >>> fire bottle. Then make the pattern to a normal landing. Most air disasters
> > > > >>> are caused by a sequence of events rather than one thing. I'm thinking this
> > > > >>> will be the same. It will be interesting to see what the investigation turns up.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Mike
> > > > >>> KE5YTV
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 3:18:03 PM CDT, Richard Knoppow
> > > > >>> < 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yes, this makes sense. I meant only that a single engine
> > > > >>> going out does not sound like running out of fuel although it
> > > > >>> could still be a fuel problem such as a leak or something else
> > > > >>> that would prevent fuel from getting to the engine. Might also
> > > > >>> account for the fire.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 10/3/2019 12:59 PM, gordon white wrote:
> > > > >>> > Engine failure on takeoff is not usually from running out of oil,
> > > > >>> > but maximum power used briefly on takeoff (METO) is more than
> > > > >>> > allowed for cruise, and takeoff power does stress an engine. A
> > > > >>> > cylinder on a radial can come loose from the crankcase, or a
> > > > >>> > piston break. I was on a DC-7 that lost an engine and it was
> > > > >>> > pretty scary. The unbalanced forces from losing an engine are
> > > > >>> > difficult to control. The pilot has to feather the dead engine,
> > > > >>> > deploy the fire extinguishers (and not feather the wrong engine)
> > > > >>> > in a very brief period of time. Some light twins, if you lose one
> > > > >>> > engine on takeoff you can be flipped upside down if you don't cut
> > > > >>> > the other one.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > - Gordon White
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> Richard Knoppow
> > > > >>> 1oldlens1 at ix.netcomcom mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com <mailto: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com >
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