[ARC5] ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 29

Mon Jun 18 17:11:54 EDT 2018

Unless you use tube gear for CW contesting......

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: R-45/ARR-7 (mkdorney at aol.com)

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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:40:11 -0400
From: mkdorney at aol.com
To: kb2vtl at gmail.com, frledda at att.net
Cc: arc5 at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [ARC5] R-45/ARR-7
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Mike, you are always going to be welcome at an MRCA event.? Look at the gear of those pissing and moaning about "no-code" Hams.? Bet you don't find a lot of vacuum tube gear still being used. If vacuum tube stuff were easy to keep operating, everybody could do it.? The latest, greatest wiz bag gear is easy to get and use if you have the money to do it.? Where's the fun in that?? I feel sorry for the guys who don't use the old gear.? And I'll bet a good portion of those people of serious contesters.? It's nice to contact folks around the world, but they don't take the time to chat with them.? It's hit and run, wham-bam, thank you mam.? They're missing out.
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Keep 'em glowing
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Mark D.
WW2RDO
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In a message dated 6/18/2018 3:06:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, kb2vtl at gmail.com writes:

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Exactly. And you?re welcome here.?

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Peter

On Jun 18, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net> wrote:

Mike, please, doesn?t waste your time with unwelcoming or bad mouthing people. They think to be the owners of the hobby, but they are not; the hobby belongs to all of us. ??
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Frank K5URG
CCA Board Member
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From:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Bracey
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 12:47 PM
To: Mark K3MSB; Robert Eleazer
Cc: ARC5
Subject: Re: [ARC5] R-45/ARR-7
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Mark,

I've run into #3 many times. I loved Ham radio from the time that I was in junior high but life got in the way of getting my Novice. I retired at 62 and decided to get my license. I was surprised that I wasn't required to learn code. I received my General and was ready to go. I was in for a big shock. I was never called an appliance operator. It was even worst, I was a dreaded no-code Ham. I am only interested in tube AM gear but I've been made to feel unwelcome many times. I have a friend who got licensed about the same time. He has had the same experiences as me. So, we stay quiet and do our own thing. 

It just makes us crazy to read about the old timers pissing and moaning about the hobby dying. Well no kidding! When you post on these boards, you're talking to everybody. If you're bad mouthing new Hams, perhaps you're the problem. I've got a house full of tube AM and Mil gear. Sometimes I feel stupid for investing so much time and money in a hobby that makes me feel unwelcome.

Mike Bracey
KE5YTV
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From: Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb at gmail.com>
To: Robert Eleazer <releazer at earthlink.net> 
Cc: ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ARC5] R-45/ARR-7
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The market for tube ham gear has been steadily declining for (at least) three reasons.? ?The hams that appreciate the gear and enjoy using it are dying off, and the younger generation lacks the skill to restore and maintain such gear.? ?
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The third is unpleasant to consider?.. how us old fart?s sometime treat the newbies.? ?How many times have we heard them referred to as appliance operators?? ? Yet the same people that use that term don?t know that ?appliance operator? was around since the early 1930?s when the very first commercial ham gear was available.? ? ? ?We tend to think that if the newbies don?t do things our way, they?re inferior.? ? This kind of attitude can easily kill off any potential interest.? ? Not that everyone does this, but unfortunately, this attitude is not rare.
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One day many moons ago I was chatting with a fellow pilot in the hanger.? ?We both owned and flew tail-draggers.? The other pilot boasted that if you don?t fly taildraggers, you?re simply an inferior pilot.? ? ?I looked at him and said ?I?ll give you $100 to say that to a Naval Aviator?.? ? He didn?t take me up on that.
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Just because what we do is different than what modern day ?appliance operators? do doesn?t mean they?re inferior or wrong;? they?re just doing different things.? ? While some of us may look down on hams running a computer integrated contest station,? a lot of ?them? view the vintage radio crowd as out of touch and inferior.? ?We are ?quaint? ? read that old and irrelevant.? YOU may not care about their opinion,? but then again THEY don?t care about yours.
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Over the past two years I?ve almost completely sold off all my tube ham gear.? I wasn?t using it that much and prices were declining.? ? ? My only remaining tube ham gear is a Johnson Valiant I finished restoring over the winter and an R-390A that still needs some work, but is alive and? works pretty well.? ? The only reason I?ve kept those two radios is I really enjoy 10 Meter AM and look forward to the peak of the next solar cycle (Lord willing).
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I didn?t get top dollar for my radios, but they sold quickly as they were restored, worked, and priced them to sell.? ?Plug and Play vintage.??
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A few years ago I was at someone?s house picking up some mil gear and the fellow found I had restored an SCR-274N system.? ?He proudly showed me two NIB? FT-229A mounts for the antenna relay.? ?Two.? NIB.? ?Sitting on a shelf.? ? ? I asked if he would consider selling one.? ?Not a chance.? ?These are rare?.? ? I need an FT-229A as well as an FT-221A and was prepared to pay for one of his 229As? (probably more than I should?ve,? but the 229A was there and I had cash in pocket?..).? ? ? The guy wouldn?t consider selling them as they?re ?rare?.? ? ?Well, they?re this property and he has the right to do with them as he pleases,? ?but what in God?s name does he plan on doing with them?? He had no interest in ARC-5 stuff.? ?ANYONE That?s planning to finance their retirement on their old radios is in for a VERY rude awakening.? ? ? Start looking for a good refrigerator box now for that retirement home.
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By the way?.? ?Shameless plea?? ? ?I?m still looking for an FT-221.? ? ?Doesn?t need to have the 4 shocks?.? ? ?I can rob Peter to pay Paul????
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I think re-enacting is interesting and I?d like to get involved in it now that family constraints are much less than in previous years.? ? I?m thinking of taking my 274N to Gilbert in September, but I?m not sure if airborne radios would fit into that particular event.? ? I really think re-enacting is the way to reach the younger crowd if we hope raise interesting in vintage / military radios.
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Next up on the restoration table is my SCR-506.? ?I figure if I don?t get to it now, I won?t be able to lift it later.? ?I see a lift table in my immediate future.
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73 Mark K3MSB
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