[ARC5] [Milsurplus] AN/ARC-8 In a B-24

Mon Jul 30 08:30:45 EDT 2018

Perhaps Robert or others could provide the chronological context for 
manual with pages marked AN 08-30ART13-5 but manual cover says Collins 
17H-2, Collins publication 520-9300-00. No dates visible, anywhere?  
Addendums mention the DY-17.
Published by Laurance Publishing, Cedar Rapids but format, etc. looks 
exactly like other ART-13/ATC manuals.  Maybe this was a book Collins 
provided to "other" customers.  Pages are marked "Restricted".

The last ART-13 I saw in an operational aircraft was in a USAF C-53 out 
of AAFB in DC.  I got to use it on 75 meters on a CAP flight from AAFB 
to Wright-Patt in 1960. Additionally, I firmly believe that the 459th 
TCW (AFRes) at AAFB had ARC-8s installed in their C-119 aircraft, circa 
1960.

BTW, one of my ART-13 units is an ATC with a plastic tag and 
nomenclature of COL 52286.  Early ATC?  It came with a -1 CFI, changed 
by me to a -2.  Unit was installed in a NASA Convair CV-240 (ex-T-29 or 
C-131?) aircraft at Moffet Field.

Jeep - K3HVG

On 7/29/2018 11:57 PM, Robert Downs via ARC5 wrote:
>
> Yes. The final revision to T.O. 12R2-2ART13-1 was issued 09/26/1968.  
> The base manual, under the nomenclature AN 08-30ART13-3  was issued 
> 09/17/1944.  The ATC, of which AN/ART-13 was a slight modification but 
> mostly just a nomenclature change of, is earlier than that, one being 
> dated  02/01/1944.  But the earlier Preliminary Manual has never to my 
> knowledge turned up.  All must have been destroyed.
>
> Robert Downs
>
> *From:*arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net] *On Behalf Of *Mike Morrow
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 29, 2018 19:04
> *To:* milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> *Cc:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* Re: [ARC5] [Milsurplus] AN/ARC-8 In a B-24
>
> I have the same impression as Robert's for the WWII era.
>
> Post-WWII, the C-47 and similar aircraft seem to have been quickly 
> equipped with the AN/ARC-8.  The early 1960's era -1 pilot's manual 
> shows the AN/ARC-8 as typical.  Even the AN/ARC-65 (not -21) is shown 
> in special versions for search and rescue (SC-47*).  The 150-pound 
> RT-400/ARC-65 drum took over the deck area that had previously been 
> the radio operator's position.
>
> i often read surprised comments about the AN/ARC-8 (or AN/ART-13* 
>  and/or AN/ARR-11 (BC-348-*)) being used "even until the late 1950s". 
>  But there were AN/ARC-8 sets flying in older USAF aircraft until the 
> early 1970s.  I flew on a C-131 used as the Blytheville AFB SAC Base 
> Commander's aircraft in August 1970 that still had an AN/ARC-8 as its 
> only HF set.  I remember being surprised to see it.  AN/ART-13 
> instruction manual revisions were still being issued in 1968 or later.
>
> The RCA AN/ARC-21 (and its AN/ARR-36 aux receiver) replacement for the 
> AN/ARC-8 was late by years, fabulously over-budget, and initially of 
> poor reliability to the point that the program was subject to several 
> congressional hearings.  Because of that, the AN/ARC-8 was guaranteed 
> to have a long service life.  AN/ARC-21 program delays also spawned 
> USAF purchases of many much lower cost and trouble Collins 618T-1 and 
> 18S-4 and AN/ARC-59 (RT-380/AR, 18S-4A) sets for use in support and 
> logistics aircraft rather than the very costly and scarce AN/ARC-21.
>
> Post-WWII the USN used the AN/ART-13 and AN/ARR-15 in a combo similar 
> to the AN/ARC-8 called the AN/ARC-25.  When its successor was being 
> developed, the USN avoided much trouble, delay, and great cost by 
> choosing the Collins AN/ARC-38 (and its AN/ARR-41 aux receiver). 
>  Congressional reports compared the USAF AN/ARC-21 programs rather 
> unfavorably to these USN programs.  IIRC, the USN's early 1950s 
> per-system cost was about $7000, compared to the USAF's $21000.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Robert Downs via Milsurplus
>     Sent: Jul 29, 2018 4:52 PM
>     To: 'List Milsurplus'
>     Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] AN/ARC-8 In a B-24
>
>
>     Not that I have ever heard of.  Nor the B-17’s or C-47’s.
>
>     Robert Downs
>
>     *From:*milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>     [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] *On Behalf Of *Mark K3MSB
>     *Sent:* Saturday, July 28, 2018 18:42
>     *To:* List Milsurplus
>     *Subject:* [Milsurplus] AN/ARC-8 In a B-24
>
>     Did B-24s in the USAAF transition from the SCR-287 to the AN/ARC-8
>     in the European Theater towards the end of the war?
>
>     73 Mark K3MSB
>
>
>
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