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Mon Jan 18 10:51:05 EST 2016

Remove a lock-out????!!!  First rule:  You work on my equipment in my mfg floor, you bring your own locks and keys and you use them.  I threw a contractor off my floor (permanently) for not using a lockout.  A worse thing:  I was walking though the B52 sheet metal repair shop at one base in ~1975 when I saw an Airman crawling on top of a huge shear (width was about 10 ft) blowing dust off with compressed air.  He hadn’t bothered to use his lockout.  A Sgt walked by and “pranked” him by starting the motor.  In 2016 he may still be picking up trash on the side of the base roads.   In my aerospace and Air Force careers we had to take it seriously.  Your career would not survive by being sloppy / careless / unsafe.

73 de don ad6pb

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...'Morning, gang,...OSHA is very much more than electrical safety by far,..My career at G.M. presented an opportunity to volunteer as an OSHA inspector, Once per week, I had a "route" in the plant, and a list of things to check,..also had the authority to shut down any operations that were not up to "par",..Believe it or not, most infractions were caused by management disregarding safety in order to keep Their production numbers up,..as far as tying off double switches designed to keep both your hands clear of moving parts,..often, when tradesmen worked on a repair job, (including me),..a standard lock out and warning tag would be put on an electrical switch box,..a required first move,.only to have management remove it so the production worker could continue, with the tradesman still at work,..not funny at all, I'm speaking of tradesman crawling into a press big enough to make entire locomotive side panels,..or up high to work on giant gears and bearings,..often a "Boss" would break the safe lock off the machine because he said he didnt see anyone working,..DUH,  he couldnt see the repairman because he was inside the machine,..Chemical safety is another "sore" spot in factories,..so many times workers would disregard handling and storage regulations, just to save time (instructed to do so by management again)..there are still uses for cyanide in industry,..it is a deadly product to be near without proper handling,..guys would leave open cans around and it would be carried into the air by just drafts,.....this goes on and on,..my point is ,..OSHA most people deal with isnt at all just about electrical wires and plugs  see ya, W9ESX Chicago....

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Bob via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net> > wrote:

Actually, under OSHA beginning in 1969  deaths per 100k dropped from 18 per 100K to 3.6 per 100K as of 2009.  In 1937 deaths per 100K was 42 per 100K.  So there was a downward trend in industrial deaths, but to say that OSHA has not been effective is anything but correct. As one who has worked in the telecommunications industry for over 50 years I certainly cannot complain about the electrical safety enhancements brought about by OSHA and related work place safety measures.   

As one who can remember the working environment in the early 1960s where it was quite common for a millwright (ME) to have to hang onto to a working overhead crane in motion with his knees while trouble shooting a control relay with 440 and 880 VAC feeds with no protection and only a "Wiggly" as a test instrument.  You'd never see that today in a factory operating under OSHA rules and regulations.   

Cheer's Bob, KE6F

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On 1/17/2016 7:22 PM, Bruce Long via ARC5 wrote:
> /
> You speak the gospel truth, Brian. Designing for safety is treated in America 
> as a crime of psychotics and socialists and it is the patriotic duty of every 
> American to live dangerously by owning and using shoddily made electrical 
> appliances. Every safety improvement made in American products has been done 
> under threat of litigation, not by our elected representatives working to give 
> us a safe and healthy environment. It's been a rich harvest for product 
> liability lawyers for decades./
>
> Perhaps a little off topic but I remember reading many years ago that 30 years 
> of OSHA ( the Federal government work place agency here in the US) regulation 
> and inspections led to no detectable improvement in workplace injuries and 
> fatalities. This sorta kinda makes sense to me. If you are dumb enough to 
> work live electrical wires using an OSHA mandated non-conductive fiberglass 
> step ladder instead of an aluminum step ladder is not likely to make a whole 
> lot of different.
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net> >
> *To:* Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com> >; Arden Allen <gumbear at pacbell.net <mailto:gumbear at pacbell.net> >
> *Cc:* Boatanchors List <boatanchors at theporch.com <mailto:boatanchors at theporch.com> >; ARC-5 List 
> <arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net> >; Robert <w4rl at bellsouth.net <mailto:w4rl at bellsouth.net> >
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [ARC5] [BoatAnchors] 125 VAC Line? Make Your BA's Happy, Cheap.
>
> Nicola Tesla used to refer to voltage as "pressure". I think it stemmed from 
> an ohms law water analogy that was common in his time. Perhaps it stuck as 
> common usage in Australia?
> It's obscure here in the states...
>
>
> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:42 AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> ATTENTION COMRADE ARDEN!
>
> Put down that dangerously hot, unlicensed, soldering iron and step away from 
> the workbench! The Safety Police will be arriving shortly to confiscate all 
> that dangerous unlicensed radio equipment with high tension, err high 
> pressure, err, high emf, err high voltage power supplies with Exposed Wiring. 
> It has come to our attention that most of your radios were manufactured by 
> Evil Corporations (redundant) led by Evil Executives (redundant again) who 
> attended Business Schools where they teach courses like "How to electrocute 
> babies for fun and profit".
> In return for the seized radio equipment, you will be issued 1 ea. D-Cell 
> battery and a small quantity of conductive paint.
> A Safety Monitor Telescreen will be installed in your home to ensure that you 
> don't swallow or otherwise misuse the D-Cell and paint.
> Have Fun!
>
> From Your Big Brothers at the Department of Redundancy Department
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:07 AM, Arden Allen <gumbear at pacbell.net <mailto:gumbear at pacbell.net>  
> <mailto:gumbear at pacbell.net <mailto:gumbear at pacbell.net?> >> wrote:
>
> .......Just as a point of interest, the number of electrocutions through
>
> 'playing with' 230 Vac is almost negligible. It is virtually
> impossible even for idiots to get across the mains - modern connectors
> make touching live circuitry extremely difficult. This is not the case
> in the USA.
>
> You speak the gospel truth, Brian. Designing for safety is treated in
> America as a crime of psychotics and socialists and it is the patriotic
> duty of every American to live dangerously by owning and using shoddily
> made electrical appliances. Every safety improvement made in American
> products has been done under threat of litigation, not by our elected
> representatives working to give us a safe and healthy environment. It's
> been a rich harvest for product liability lawyers for decades.
>
> Arden Allen
> KB6NAX
>
>
>
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