[ARC5] ARC5 Digest, Vol 155, Issue 62

Tue Dec 27 22:15:12 EST 2016

"We have awakened a sleeping dragon and filled him  with a terrible resolve"I believe is the full quote from Adm. YamamotoJim

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption"
      (Scott Robinson)
   2. Re: How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption"
      (David Stinson)
   3. Re: How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption" (Joe Connor)
   4. Re: How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption" (Roy Morgan)
   5. Re: How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption" (Joe Connor)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:16:54 -0800
From: Scott Robinson <spr at earthlink.net>
To: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>,
	aRC5 at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [ARC5] How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption"
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Well, both nations went to war with a much larger, fully industrialized 
country--the USA. We could clearly outlast them, and they were both in 
pretty bad internal shape when the war ended, while the USA did not have 
food shortages and such.

Hubhis, that.

/scott

On 12/6/16 11:47 AM, Kenneth G. Gordon wrote:
> On 6 Dec 2016 at 19:40, Joe Connor via ARC5 wrote:
>
>> What's important to remember is that the intercepted pre-Pearl Harbor diplomatic
>> messages from Tokyo did not include a declaration of war, which would have
>> provided at least some notice that Pearl Harbor might be attacked.
>>
>> The Japanese played it cute.
>
> Yes.
>
> But what continues to amaze me is how poorly prepared the Japanese were to carry on and
> support a long-term war with anyone, yet they caused immense grief to many people for
> something like 9 years before being brought to heel.
>
> And Germany never did put its economy on a war-footing the entire war.
>
> Gee... :-(
>
> Ken W7EKB
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:52:09 -0600
From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
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Subject: Re: [ARC5] How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption"
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>> But what continues to amaze me is how poorly prepared the 
>> Japanese were to carry on and
>> support a long-term war with anyone, ..

The Japanese believed, and with some evidence, that
the Western Powers had no stomach or spine for
a protracted war, so they risked it all on a
"gambler's throw."  They were wrong.

They should have waited 70 more years.
They'd have gotten much better odds.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 01:12:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: Joe Connor <joeconnor53 at yahoo.com>
To: David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>, 	"aRC5 at mailman.qth.net"
	<aRC5 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [ARC5] How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption"
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I have an article on this topic in the current edition of "World War II" magazine.
Yamamoto knew that Japan could not stand toe to toe with the U.S. in a prolonged war, so he planned for a first-round knockout. First, he would destroy the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Next, he would draw whatever was left of the fleet into open seas and destroy it. Without a fleet, he reasoned, the U.S. would have no choice but to sue for peace. If the Navy hadn't cracked the JN-25 code, his plan might have worked. Yamamoto was one of the few Japanese leaders (maybe the only one) who knew that the U.S. had the stomach for a long war and would fight to the finish.?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Joe Connor 

    On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:00 PM, David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>> But what continues to amaze me is how poorly prepared the 
>> Japanese were to carry on and
>> support a long-term war with anyone, ..

The Japanese believed, and with some evidence, that
the Western Powers had no stomach or spine for
a protracted war, so they risked it all on a
"gambler's throw."? They were wrong.

They should have waited 70 more years.
They'd have gotten much better odds.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:20:59 -0500
From: Roy Morgan <k1lky68 at gmail.com>
To: Joe Connor <joeconnor53 at yahoo.com>
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Joe,

Was it Yamamoto who said, "We have awakened the sleeping dragon."?
(or some such thing.)

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Joe Connor via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

> I have an article on this topic in the current edition of "World War II"
> magazine.
>
> Yamamoto knew that Japan could not stand toe to toe with the U.S. in a
> prolonged war,
>

-- 
Regards,
Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky since 1958
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 01:25:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Joe Connor <joeconnor53 at yahoo.com>
To: Roy Morgan <k1lky68 at gmail.com>
Cc: David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>, 	"aRC5 at mailman.qth.net"
	<aRC5 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [ARC5] How the U.S. Cracked Japan's 'Purple Encryption"
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It sure sounds like him. He had studied in the U.S., traveled widely in the U.S., and had served as naval attache in Washington. He knew the U.S. and its industrial capabilities very well. Ironically, he had opposed war with the U.S.?

Joe Connor 

    On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:21 PM, Roy Morgan <k1lky68 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Joe,
Was it Yamamoto who said, "We have awakened the sleeping dragon."?(or some such thing.)

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Joe Connor via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

I have an article on this topic in the current edition of "World War II" magazine.
Yamamoto knew that Japan could not stand toe to toe with the U.S. in a prolonged war,
?-- 
Regards,
Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky since 1958

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