[ARC5] What Happened to where is a new generation? the original question!!!
Phillip Carpenter
carpenterpa at tds.net
Sat Nov 21 22:08:03 EST 2015
If the number of young Hams is indeed small in number then maybe we need to introduce them to SDR and/or EchoLink and nurture them along with small projects...then into the hobby and local club.
I noticed that the number of Hams willing to be an Elmer these days has dwindled. Also, my local club has stopped offering license classes and code training. This for sure is problematic...
Phillip W4RTX
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> On Nov 21, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Fuqua, Bill L <wlfuqu00 at uky.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes, there appear to be more hams than ever, however how many SK or will be SK in the next 10 years.
> Very, very few are young, high school age or younger. A lot of publicity about Boy Scouts etc. but they mostly show up
> just to earn a badge. Very few programs actually spark real interest. I have tried and been somewhat successful in the
> past 20 years. But the time and study to get from nothing to understanding is too long for kids that have such short
> attention span unless they are fortunate enough to have a curiosity about things.
> There are programs where students make robots and such but more often than not they still don't learn anything, just
> follow directions and make something. Learning is just not as much fun as computer games or internet socializing.
> Kids need to tinker, make things, try to understand them, take interest before they go off to college. That is the
> main problem, once they get to college they do an analysis perhaps with faculty help. They simply weigh the time
> and cost to reach a goal vs the benefit of reaching that goal or degree. They need a driving passion for a subject or
> subjects.
>
> 73
> Bill wa4lav
>
> ________________________________________
> From: ARC5 [arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Phillip Carpenter [carpenterpa at tds.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ARC5] What Happened to where is a new generation? the original question!!!
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Why are we worried about young Hams? There for more Amateur Radio operators today in the US than there ever has been!
>
> December 1971 was 285,000
> December 1981 was 433.000
> December 1991 was 494,000
> December 2001 was 683,000
> December 2011 was 700,221
> December 2012 was 709,575
> December 2013 was 717,201
>
> Boy Scouts and STEM schools are cranking out tech students and feeding the Ham rosters. Scouting has a Radio merit badge and Signaling (Morse code) merit badge. ARRL sponsors scholarships for young Hams. Our local club sponsors Fox Hunts and brings Scouts to participate in appropriate activity during Field Day. Ham Dads encourage their kids toward the hobby. I don't see why the worry...
>
> My Father introduced me to the hobby back in 1967 when I was 12 years old. I listened to DX on his vintage Hallicrafters SX-43. I started out assisting with logging contacts during Field Day and sending out QSLs then worked my way up to DX contacts. I knew all the old Hams from my home town, almost all SKs now. My Elmer was a TV Broadcast engineer and Ham who loved RTTY and ATV. He is still at it (K4VZZ).
>
> I believe that the younger Hams will pick up our tube stuff and go with it as they mature in the hobby and become more interested in the historical methods and modes.
>
> I know several young audiophiles who started out as Op Amp guys and migrated over to Toob Amps.
>
> I think tech curiosity will take care of any worries we have. The big concern is how long will tube stocks hold out?
>
> Phillip W4RTX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Scott Robinson <spr at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> From what I hear in the San Francisco area, several local ham clubs have arrangements with various Scouting organizations to teach about radio.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Robinson
>>
>>> On 11/21/15 4:45 PM, Bob via ARC5 wrote:
>>> I'm finding it rather odd that one of the original queries in this conversation was the lack of young folks coming into the hobby and methods of recruiting. In my original posting to that question I did recall my inculcation into the hobby, but the remainder of the posting asked the question of recruitment of young folks while suggesting that we hams provide the recruits with gear, parts, and of course mentoring. But the conversation instantly changed to a few folk's commenting on their early attraction to the hobby followed by what's going to happen to our junk when our keys (mics) go silent. Little if any of the conversation addressed the original question with any concrete plans associated with parting with stuff to attract newcomers or what they were doing to mentor young folks. Granted, some clubs have license study programs, but if clubs in my area are any indicator, it's mainly older folks who take up the challenge. What say OMs and OLs?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob, KE6F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
>>> To: Jim Falls <radio-tuber at att.net>
>>> Cc: ARC-5 List <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2015 2:51 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [ARC5] Interest in "command" sets - where is a new generation?
>>>
>>> Yup, must be a common thing then, -even on the "other side" on the continent!Not only does the money NOT make the treasurers report, but the better pieces seem to disappear into the ether, never to be spoken of again.This particular club all has all kinds of shady things going on ( it has had the same president for 20 years!), not just the vulture crew, so I stopped attending the meetings. I have lots of of other things to keep me busy rather than dealing with that nonsense.Hopefully my 2 year grandson will take an interest in the radios and other hobbies at some point in the future. He seems to have "the knack" for electro-mechanical things... On Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:27 PM, Jim Falls <radio-tuber at att.net> wrote: Rant mode, sorry. We have such a Distributed Storage" system in my club. Certain buzzards get it free/cheap then want to sell it to you for top dollar, because the $$ is also "for the Club". The $$ rarely makes it into the monthly Treasurers Report,
>> th
>>> ough........Jim K6FWT> On Nov 21, 2015, at 07:56, J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:> > Believe it or not , I got a chuckle out of that scenario! It reminded me of an instruction I gave to my wife in case of my untimely demise. > > One of the local radio clubs here ( there are several) has what I call the "vulture crew' that preys upon unwitting widows of SKs. They tell them that the stuff is "for the club" to get it donated or dirt cheap, then they either keep it for their own collection or flip it for personal profit. Whatever is left after that, is donated to clubs hamfest table to be sold. I instructed her to close the door in their faces and lock it if they come calling. I told her to sell the stuff on ebay after doing a little price research there. At least that way someone knows what it is and will use it, and wifey gets a few bucks. win-win. > > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:21 AM, don davis <dxguy at earthlink.net> wrote:> > > Good question.> >
>> Ass
>>> umption: You'll live to be 75 years old, your wife will live to be 82.> She (and your kids) will know nothing about this stuff and will have no> access or knowledge about how / where to get an ARC-5 specialist to evaluate> it. AND nobody who follows you will be enthused about putting it all up on> ebay.> > It occurs to me that a well appointed ARC5 system mounted together> physically as one unit (maybe on a board like I've pix of from Dave) with> everything there and cabled together, labelled, with speaker, ac power> supply with ac cord and all controls with knobs, clear operating booklet,> etc. is very likely to be passed along when you croak. To the potential> recipient it will look, act, and set-up like a radio and will be verified by> plugging it in and adding an antenna and voila, it will work. Calling it a> radio out of a B-24 will make it more desirable. Calling it an ARC-5 or> command set will get blank stares... What won't be passed on is a pile of> alumin
>> um
>>> boxes in the corner of the garage no matter what the condition or> rarity. Except the guy next door who recycles aluminum cans.> > Good Luck 73 de don ad6pb> > -----Original Message-----> From: ARC5 [mailto:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Leslie Smith> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:19 AM> To: ARC-5 List <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>> Subject: [ARC5] Interest in "command" sets - where is a new generation?> > > The next generation of engineers (or hobbyists)> > I am a member of Westlakes Radio Club. We have few members under 50 years> of age. Yet 30 years ago the situation was the opposite. The club founder,> Kieth Howard, was the science master at the local high school, and every> Saturday afternoon the train station near the club was flooded with> teenagers - all going to Westlakes Radio Club. Today, our club has about> 200 members; but nearly every club member joined in the 60s and '70s.> > > _____________________________________________________
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