[ARC5] Oscillator Stability and Old-Time gear. (Was OT: Hally Instability)

[Nick England]

I may have slipped a decimal point (dang slide rule) but 0.0003 vs 0.00003
cps drift per day at 10mc still isn't too shabby.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Synthesized military receivers should be as good as the master crystal
> oscillator which can be 3 parts in 10^11 or so (that's 0.00003 cps drift
> per day at 10 mc).
> I have an AN/URQ-10 master crystal oscillator which has a controlled
> constant temperature oven inside of another controlled constant temperature
> oven inside a Dewar flask. The result is that for 0-50 degrees C external
> temp change there is less than 5 parts in 10^10 freq change (just 0.0005
> cps change from 32-122 F).
>
> Probably the best receiver with a conventional LC oscillator for the HF LO
> is the National AN/FRR-24 design of 1950 or so - surely the apex of
> conventional tube receiver design. The complete FRR-24 is a 4-rack triple
> diversity system, but each of the 3 receivers is contained in a single rack
> (88 tubes, about 700 lbs). Each frequency band has a separate sealed rack
> mount unit with its own RF stages, mixer, and Local Oscillator. The chassis
> is thick cast aluminum with pockets for components. The LO components are
> in a separate dehumidified casting with 3/16" thick walls.
> http://www.navy-radio.com/rcvrs/frr24/rest/DSC03014.JPG
> http://www.navy-radio.com/rcvrs/frr24/rest/DSC03016.JPG
>
> Here's the underside of one band unit showing pockets for antenna input, 3
> RF stages, and mixer stage.
> http://www.navy-radio.com/rcvrs/frr24/rest3/am453-01.jpg
> http://www.navy-radio.com/rcvrs/frr24/rest3/am453-02.jpg
>
> The book says 0.0002% freq change per degree C but I haven't ever measured
> mine - that's 20 cps change per degree C at 10 mc which seems pretty high
> to me. This receiver was designed for comm station RTTY use, so it would
> have been in a temperature controlled environment and the sealed rack unit
> temps probably varied very little once everything had stabilized - a random
> breath of fresh air from an open door vs. 3121 lbs and 420 tubes.....
>
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Kenneth G. Gordon <
> kgordon2006 at frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Bob. Lots of work and I, for one, appreciate it. I would be
>> interested in some sort of comparison of the receivers in your list vs
>> some
>> strictly-military receivers some time. I suspect the military jobs would
>> be,
>> overall, better than the average civilian ones.
>>
>> Ken W7EKB
>> <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>
>>
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