[ARC5] MEK, benzene, acetone for Q dope.

Mon Mar 10 22:12:06 EDT 2014

Nah, youre far from a nut case Peter, there is still hope. Send me $100 and 
I'll send you a guaranteed cure.

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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <hpnpilot at gmail.com>
To: <jfor at quikus.com>
Cc: "ARC-5 List" <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>; "AKLDGUY ." <neilb0627 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ARC5] MEK, benzene, acetone for Q dope.

> Hey, like I said, feel free to use such solvents. I still maintain that 
> others should look further than this group for determining the risks. 
> Carbon tet for example has been shown to cause liver damage. If that and 
> other toxic effects don't worry you, have at it.
>
> If you're going to call me a nut case for having such concerns then I am 
> ok with that. Just don't ask me to pay for your dialysis.
>
>
> Peter
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 1:02 PM, "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Carbon Tet was commonly used in all electrical repair shops, radio 
>> places.
>> and garages It was a really good, non-flamable grease solvent.
>>
>> It was replaced w/ chlorinated hydrocarbons and then Freons.
>>
>> Now they are pretty much all gone due to excessive gov't regulation, many
>> on the basis of politically motivated junk 'science'.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> When I was a technician in the telecommunications industry in the late
>>> 1960's we used carbon tetrachloride to clean switch and relay contacts.
>>> This was a liquid that came in small bottles. We poured it on rags and
>>> brushes with bare fingers and no breathing protection.
>>>
>>> Within a few years carbon tet was declared highly toxic and promptly
>>> dropped from use. I never heard of any study into long term effects or
>>> follow up on those who had used it.
>>>
>>> 73 de Neil ZL1ANM
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you can regulate CO2 on a pretext, you can equally regulate other
>>>> metabolic wastes on a similar pretext.
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pee and Poo don't frighten me.  Nevertheless I avoid exposure if I can
>>>>> I agree occasional MEK exposure likely has very small risk---- but if
>>>> I
>>>>> can remove pint with something else, I'll use that something else.  If
>>>>> more benign paint removers don't entirely do the job, I get my MEK-
>>>> and
>>>>> nitrial gloves and work outside- up wind-----
>>>>>
>>>>> Also EPA has nothing to do with MSDS
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not particularly upset with President Nixon and Watergate----- but
>>>>> HE's the $#%* that created the EPA  I can't forgive him for that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 10, 2014 2:59 PM, Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk about beating a dead horse..good golly..,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Ronnie's IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Bruce Long <coolbrucelong at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion MSDS warnings are for chemical use that occurs in an
>>>>>> industrial setting not "industrial exposure".   It is true there are
>>>>>> some odd results, such as rubbing alcohol in a home bathroom being
>>>>>> "unregulated" and an another bottle of the same stuff at work without
>>>> a
>>>>>> MSDS sticker makes the employer selectable to a serious fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However it is a mistake to think MSDS warnings can be safely ignored
>>>> or
>>>>>> discounted for occasional home use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MEK scares me and I avoid its use at home if I can and use full
>>>>>> precautions when I can't avoid use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 10, 2014 11:56 AM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MSDSs are for Industrial Exposure...  40 hours per week for many
>>>> years.
>>>>>> Not for occasional, casual use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can die from drinking water or eating carrots too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =====================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>> Here is the Material Safety Data Sheet for the MEK. They always
>>>> sound
>>>>>>> scary,
>>>>>>> but with the toxicity at greater than 2 gram per kilo you would have
>>>> to
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