[ARC5] NSS Cutler, ME
Bob Macklin
macklinbob at msn.com
Wed Nov 27 16:58:08 EST 2013
I worked in astronomy for about 12 years as a MAKE IT WORK engineer.
There are a bunch of astronomers dreaming up theories and writing scientific
papers on stuff no one and prove of disprove.
TAX PAYERS pay for these clowns!
Once in a while there is a discovery but really of no practical importance.
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
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> There was a Scientific American issue a year or so ago in which an article
> indicated some physicists are considering whether the whole universe might
> be 'digital' - that is, that everything actually exists and changes in
> quantized states. I don't know how far out of the mainstream that thinking
> was, though.
>
> Wayne
>
> WB4OGM
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim <timsamm at gmail.com>
> To: jfor <jfor at quikus.com>
> Cc: D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk at hotmail.com>; ARC-5 List
> <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
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> HaHa - That's what I was getting at....Does time "arrive" in quanta? Are
> there pre, present and post quanta?
> Time for a beer......
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com>
> wrote:
>
> > If you mean is time quantized, ask Stephen Hawkings. He's about the
> only
> > one who can answer that VERY deep question.
> >
> > -John
> >
> > ===================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Good stuff Roy - Thanks!
> > > Question: Is time digital or analog?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Roy Morgan
> <k1lky68 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:57 AM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald
> <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Were time signals (ala WWV) once sent from a "Naval
> Observatory?" Was
> > >> that once the location of WWV?
> > >>
> > >> I’m not sure about radio transmissions from the Naval
> Observatory. It’s
> > >> possible that time signals from the Observatory went by wire
> to the
> > >> NBS/WWV
> > >> site which was not far away at that time. As I have been
> writing this,
> > >> Richard reports hearing time signals on NSS from Annapolis.
> Most likely
> > >> there was a wire from the DC observatory headquarters over
> to Annapolis.
> > >> And Mac reports hearing the voice time announcement. To See
> USNO time:
> > >>
> > >> Main Navy Time link:
> > >> http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ Click “Time” for the choices
> > >>
> > >> Simple web page numerical display:
> > >> http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/simpletime.html
> > >>
> > >> Animated GIF window:
> > >> http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/what1.html
> > >>
> > >> The voice by telephone service:
> > >> Time Voice Announcer, Washington, DC: 202-762-1401
> &
> > >> 202-762-1069
> > >> Time Voice Announcer, Colorado Springs, CO: 719-567-6742
> > >>
> > >> The Naval Observatory is in two places in DC. The
> headquarters is
> > >> within
> > >> sight of the Lincoln Memorial at the west end of the Mall.
> The
> > >> mechanical
> > >> clocks for Navy standard time were there, and the more
> modern
> > >> physics-based
> > >> ones may still be. The astronomical observatory was a few
> miles (maybe
> > >> 4
> > >> miles) off to the North, still within the District of
> Columbia I think.
> > >> The US Vice Presidents residence is there. There the
> now-ancient 24
> > >> (?)
> > >> inch refractor telescope is still in operating condition,
> and the
> > >> “Transit
> > >> Telescope” is also. This latter was still in use in the
> late 80’s when
> > >> I
> > >> visited there. It is precisely fixed in rotation in
> east-west angle but
> > >> moves easily in elevation. We watched the observer lie
> underneath it on
> > >> a
> > >> mechanics-like dolly and swing the telescope to watch a star
> transit the
> > >> scope’s center line, and push a button at the right instant.
> That time
> > >> mark, combined with much accurate calculation, and many more
> like it,
> > >> establishes the sidereal time. As I understand it, sidereal
> time
> > >> wanders a
> > >> bit with respect to UTC (or NIST-A) time but is still used
> for some
> > >> things.
> > >> More info is at: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/sidereal.html
> “…
> > >> Astronomers use local sidereal time because it corresponds
> to the
> > >> coordinate right ascension of a celestial body that is
> presently on the
> > >> local meridian.” One of the very early transit telescopes
> was/is located
> > >> in
> > >> now-suburban Maryland in Rockville. The building is still
> there, but I
> > >> don’t know if the instrument is.
> > >>
> > >> The division of responsibility for time keeping is roughly:
> Military
> > >> purposes, Naval Observatory. Civilian and international
> purposes:
> > >> NIST/WWV. Naturally, the two organizations coordinate with
> each other.
> > >>
> > >> During the early years, the WWV time broadcasts came from
> Greenbelt,
> > >> MD,
> > >> just to the NE of the District. That all moved to Boulder
> CO, (in the
> > >> early 60’s I think). I remember hearing the time broadcasts
> from
> > >> Greenbelt, and have visited the Boulder facility. At the
> time of the
> > >> visit, there were three Master Clocks, made by HP I think,
> in operation
> > >> I
> > >> think there is a compare and vote system to eliminate one if
> it messes
> > >> up.
> > >> the voice that announces the time (and other things) is now
> solid state
> > >> memory/playback, but it used to be a drum magnetic recorder
> that was
> > >> played
> > >> automatically.
> > >>
> > >> The NIST Time and Frequency Division is part of the NIST
> Physics
> > >> Laboratory. The research and development of newer time
> standards goes
> > >> on
> > >> at Boulder. When I was there they had become able to get
> the “Fountain
> > >> Clock” to operate for some 20 minutes before it quit. No
> doubt by now
> > >> the’ve made considerable progress. The “Fountain Clock” was
> calculated
> > >> to
> > >> develop an error of a second in some gad zillions of years.
> It’s quite
> > >> possible that we won’t be here to notice the error.
> > >>
> > >> Time is a most interesting topic.
> > >>
> > >> Roy
> > >>
> > >> Roy Morgan
> > >> RoyMorgan at alum.mit.edu
> > >> K1LKY Since 1958
> > >>
> > >>
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