[ARC5] [Rebecca-Eureka] Re: [vmars] Re: Members requesting documents.

Tue Jun 11 02:54:52 EDT 2013

Mike,

I'm afraid your kidding yourself.    I spend a lot of time helping 
people struggling with their PCs, as I have always done.   WS19 access 
is well beyond many ordinary users of PCs, and from what I am told there 
is no help for people who get stuck.   Many have complained that they 
only have a standard "yahoo", "hotmail" or "gmail" email address - they 
have never used an address supplied by an ISP, and setting up one can be 
quite tricky, and without one there is no access.

As for "free to everybody" - that isn't true either.   If you happen to 
be someone who has fallen out with Keith Watt, then there is no 
access.    I haven't fallen out with Keith Watt because of something 
that I have done - by my position in vmars (back in 2003/4) I was the 
first to fall foul of him, and his lies, manipulation and bad temper.   
I couldn't fail to challenge him because I had a responsibility to vmars 
members and the Royal Signals Museum.  And he doesn't like being exposed 
for what he is - so I am not welcome.

At the end of the day is up to people like you and the rest of the 
ordinary members of bodies like vmars to demand and insist that those in 
power accept and obey rules of decent behaviour.  Keith Watt gets away 
with his behaviour because people like you let him get away with it.    
I set up vmars with enough rules in place to ensure that those in charge 
could not abuse their position of power.   Trouble was that there was no 
enforcement of those rules unless the ordinary members of the society 
insisted on enforcing them.   And in 2009 those rules were 
comprehensively trashed by people like Bronek Wedzicha, John Keeley, 
Peter Chadwick, Brian Thomas, etc.    Where were the members to enforce 
those rules? Well about 100 voted to support the offenders, and the rest 
stayed silent as always.    I'm afraid you get what you vote for, and 
thus people like Keith Watt and the rest will fluorish - and people like 
me will walk away and leave you all to it.

Richard

On 10/06/2013 07:02, Michael Buckley wrote:
>
> John
>
> Regretfully I do not agree with you at all (although I do have some
> reservations, that is all)
>
> The service is EXCELLENT and FREE to EVERYBODY, but one does have to
> read the way it works carefully.
>
> PLEASE lets not start another flame war, let the subject drop - a small
> handful of people have an "axe to grind" (and in fairness to them also,
> they may not have been well treated at some point in time, BUT we HAVE
> TO move on)
>
> Cheers
>
> Mike B
>
> On 09/06/2013 23:37, J. Forster wrote:
> >
> > This was received from a very prominent person in the vintage Mil radio
> > circles.
> >
> > I believe it is very typical of those running the Group in question. 
> IMO,
> > the fault is with the Group Owner and (maybe) Moderator(s), and his
> > IDIOTIC policies, not the members in question.
> >
> > I would suggest anyone considering providing any information to that
> > Group, as a public service, carefully consider whether it will, in fact,
> > be readily available. I believe that archive, WHICH I HELPED FOUND, and
> > sitll has hundreds of my documents and other material, is NOT in the
> > hobby's interest.
> >
> > YMMV,
> >
> > -John
> >
> > ======================
> >
> > > Hey, I have read less intelligent questions in that group...when I 
> read
> > > it, which isn't very often...
> > >
> > > On 6/9/2013 6:08 PM, Wireless-Set-No19-owner at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Wireless-Set-No19-owner%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Wireless-Set-No19-owner%40yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > >> We are getting a little concerned that Membership of this Group 
> may be
> > >> seen by some solely as a means of gaining access to the Document
> > >> Archive. This is not what was originally envisaged; it was intended
> > that
> > >> (all) members would from time to time participate in the various
> > >> technical discussions that arise.
> > >>
> > >> There are a number of individuals who make download requests from 
> time
> > >> to time but who have never contributed to any discussion over a 
> period
> > >> of some years, and in some cases have never submitted a posting 
> at all.
> > >>
> > >> Clearly it would be ridiculous to expect every member to take part in
> > >> every discussion that arises, and that is not what we expect. At the
> > >> same time we are becoming apprehensive that there are some members
> > whose
> > >> sole reason for joining was to obtain downloads, and we are
> > beginning to
> > >> see this as an abuse of membership.
> > >>
> > >> For those who realise that they might be in the category identified
> > >> above we would ask a couple of questions: (1) do you never have any
> > >> queries that other members might be able to help resolve, and (2) 
> where
> > >> others raise questions do you never have any information that would
> > help
> > >> them find the right answers?
> > >>
> > >> We want to encourage "silent" members to be more active on the Group,
> > >> and we may consider limiting the number of downloads available to
> > >> members who show no inclination to take part in Group discussions.
> > >>
> > >> Group Moderators.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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