[Antennas] Radials vs salt water question!

[Bill Marx]

I dont believe anywhere in my comments  said you "never" need radials near salt water. I only said I found no difference at my
location and the salt water worked wonders for my signal.

 I also said the no radial verticals are at best a compromise.

Bill Marx W2CQ



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From: "Pastor-kc1di" <elbc2@gwi.net>
To: <mchilkuri@kasnet.com>; <bmarx@bellsouth.net>
Cc: <antennas@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Antennas] Radials vs salt water question!


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> -------Original Message-------
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> From: Bill Marx
> Date: 01/19/04 19:37:56
> To: Ron & Madhavi
> Cc: antennas@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Antennas] Radials vs salt water question!
>
> I dont understand some of the claims either.
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> I currently run an Butternut HF-2V with the 160 coil mounted at my seawall
> which is on salt water. For 15 years I ran it with
> radials out in to the salt water. However about 5 years ago I ran tests and
> the radiation and SWR was the same or better with no
> radials so the salt water works wonders for my signal hi. The HF-2V has been
> in continuos use for over 20 years.
>
> The so called no radial antennas are a compromise at best. In a mobile or
> car setup a simple 102 inch whip works well because of the
> metal on the car on 80. I tune it with the AH-4.
> Bill Marx W2CQ
>
> I had a friend here in Maine who lived right at the waters edge and ran a
> vertical for many years It worked wonders on 160 /80 and 40 meters.  It was
> a homebrew job and was tuned with open wire beleive it or not.. he had just
> one counterpoise wire for each band..
>
> But if your thinking you never need radials on verticals near salt water you
> should read the accounts of the 6Y contest station story at
> http://www.k2kw.com/verticals/verticalinfo.htm
>
> Verticals work well near the ocean , one of the reasons is that the ocean
> provides a very clear shot at the horizon.. I used the equivilant of a
> Hustler 4-BTV on my roof in Okinawa back in the 70's and it worked very well
> , brought it back here to Maine and set it up and even with 65 radials it
> was a poor performer.  Location means a lot with Verticals also.
>
> Good Discussion,
> 73 , Happy Hamming ,
> Dave KC1DI
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