[Antennas] RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11
Larry Fields
n6hpx_du1 at hotmail.com
Fri Aug 20 13:32:47 EDT 2004
About a year ago one of my ham friends in Manila was selling out his
whole antenna farm and radios to come back to the states. He had one antenna
I wanted, a cushcraft A3S. He wanted about 30000 peso's for the whole
package. The peso was running 55 to 1 american.
I wanted it in the worst way as I had only run dipoles for 5 years now. I
made one mistake and that was talking about it to my wife. Her first
comment was the neighbors would complain about TVI. I lied an mentioned that
beams would never cause TVI. So next comment was it would damage the house
from the strong winds in the area.
Seemed like I was on the losing end. I guess the dipoles will always be
on the good side.
Larry Fields, n6hpx/du1
Manila Philippines
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> 1. RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10 (Larry Fields)
> 2. Coaxial Colinears (W0OXJ)
> 3. Re: RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10 (fkamp at comcast.net)
> 4. Re: RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10 (Tom Bates)
> 5. Re: RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10 (Chris BONDE)
> 6. On The Glass Antennas (Doug Weaver)
> 7. Re: RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10 (Mark - AA6DX)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:25:49 +0000
>From: "Larry Fields" <n6hpx_du1 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Antennas] RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10
>To: antennas at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <BAY10-F19uJwJJ1VZ9y00041147 at hotmail.com>
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> I had a friend a few years back who kept buying antennas like the old
>Hygain 18avt and some Hustler HF ones but refused to put em up, only
>because
>he felt the neighbors might object to it. He finaaly settled on smaller
>ones
>like discones and vhf/uhf ones. I kept thinking maybe his wife was talking
>him out of it. Mine sometimes does the same but I still have 4 dipoles on
>the roof.
>
> Larry Fields, n6hpx/du1
>
>
> >From: antennas-request at mailman.qth.net
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> >Subject: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10
> >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:33:51 -0400 (EDT)
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> > 1. hiding antennas (Greenacres113 at aol.com)
> > 2. Re: FS: Antenna Books (Fernando Quinones)
> > 3. Thanks For All the Ideas (Jared)
> > 4. Re[2]: [Antennas] Antenna (Elliott Olson)
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:31:25 EDT
> >From: Greenacres113 at aol.com
> >Subject: [Antennas] hiding antennas
> >To: antennas at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <159.3cd66ab8.2e54a61d at aol.com>
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> >i have 4 of my towers painted camo. they blend into the treed background
> >very well.
> >
> >k9il
> >
> >
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> >
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:47:11 -0700
> >From: Fernando Quinones <n2fq at sbcglobal.net>
> >Subject: [Antennas] Re: FS: Antenna Books
> >To: forsale-swap at mailman.qth.net, Antennas at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <4123880F.9040909 at sbcglobal.net>
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> >
> >
> >Fernando Quinones wrote:
> >
> > > 73 Vertical, Beam and Triangle Antennas by Ed Noll Wire Antennas by
> > > William Orr
> > > Antenna Compendium Vol 1 by ARRL
> > >
> > > All $20.00 shipping is extra via USPS Priority Mail just because I
> > > have one of their envolopes and
> > > these books fit nicely.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >--
> >
> >73
> >Fernando N2FQ/NNNØJYM
> >San Jose, CA
> ><http://pages.sbcglobal.net/n2fq>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:48:02 -0500
> >From: Jared <kc0rjc at arrl.net>
> >Subject: [Antennas] Thanks For All the Ideas
> >To: Antenna Reflector <antennas at mailman.qth.net>
> >Message-ID: <4123CE92.8080102 at arrl.net>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >
> >I appreciate all the responses. I will definitely use some of the ideas.
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Jared
> >KC0RJC
> >
> >
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> >
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:57:02 -0500
> >From: Elliott Olson <n0ukf at wiktel.com>
> >Subject: Re[2]: [Antennas] Antenna
> >To: Antennas at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <949068474.20040818165702 at wiktel.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >Hello Antennas,
> >
> >Now there's an idea, get a junk antenna and make him think you aren't
> >putting any antenna up yet. If he asks about the other antenna (in
> >plain view leaning against the house), say you are missing parts for
> >it.
> >
> >Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 2:03:03 AM, Buck wrote:
> >
> >B> If you could borrow a really big ugly tv or cb antenna like the PDL-2s
> >and
> >B> show them then put the antenna you want up and nothing else, they will
> >B> eventually quit worrying about that pole that you never put the
>antenna
> >on.
> >
> >B> Buck
> >
> >B> -----Original Message-----
> >B> From: Ed Griffin [mailto:egriffin at vnet.net]
> >B> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:42 PM
> >B> To: Antennas at mailman.qth.net
> >B> Subject: [Antennas] Antenna
> >
> >B> Tell your neighbor that your choices for hobbies were either ham radio
> >or
> >B> raising hogs.............. that should make the antenna look better.
> >
> >B> 73
> >B> Ed
> >
> >
> > >>I am going to be putting up the following j-pole.
> > >>http://www.rason.org/Projects/ant54/ant54.htm
> > >>
> > >>I have a neighbor dead set against my placement of such antenna. They
> > >>highest point of placement is the chimney 30ft up which faces his
>house.
> >I
> > >>could use and would greatly appreciate any advice on camouflaging the
> >B> antenna.
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Jared
> > >>KC0RJC
> > >>- - -
> > >>Your moderator for this list is:
> > >>Larry Wilson KE1HZ antennas-owner at mailman.qth.net
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> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Best regards,
> > Elliott N0UKF mailto:n0ukf at wiktel.com
> >www.qsl.net/n0ukf/
> >
> >
> >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:57:32 -0600
>From: "W0OXJ" <rfjones at ris.net>
>Subject: [Antennas] Coaxial Colinears
>To: <Antennas at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <003301c48605$3e09bac0$911c7142 at robert>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Does anyone have experience with installing these antennas in PVC tubing?I
>understand this will lower the design frequency and the sections of the
>antenna will need to be shortened.I have heard 5 percent shorter and have
>heard 19 percent shorter.
>
>Does anyone have definitive info on this subject?Has anyone actually
>measured a commercial antenna and calculated the length of the half wave
>sections relative to free space as well as installed space?
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
>73,
>Bob
>W0OXJ
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:06:51 -0500
>From: fkamp at comcast.net
>Subject: Re: [Antennas] RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10
>To: Larry Fields <n6hpx_du1 at hotmail.com>
>Cc: antennas at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <4124DE2B.D41BFDC8 at comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
>Larry Fields wrote:
> >
> > I had a friend a few years back who kept buying antennas like the
>old
> > Hygain 18avt and some Hustler HF ones but refused to put em up, only
>because
> > he felt the neighbors might object to it. He finaaly settled on smaller
>ones
> > like discones and vhf/uhf ones. I kept thinking maybe his wife was
>talking
> > him out of it. Mine sometimes does the same but I still have 4 dipoles
>on
> > the roof.
> >
>
>This is an interesting topic.
>
>What do you do about neighbors who mighnt not approve of a boudacious
>antenna installation?
>
>Well, first off, you dont tell them about your intentions.
>
>A proven fact is that is much easier to ask forgivness than permission.
>
>Dont ask for permission. Do it. If that generates complaints, deal
>with them.
>
>Regards,
>Frank Kamp
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:47:59 -0400
>From: "Tom Bates" <tlbates at lr.net>
>Subject: Re: [Antennas] RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10
>To: <antennas at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <001401c4861d$0dba4020$1902a8c0 at weenieroom>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> >>A proven fact is that is much easier to ask forgivness than permission.
> >>Dont ask for permission. Do it. If that generates complaints, deal
> >>with them.
>
>
>How true. My method is to put antennas up in bad wx or at night. Firstly,
>because they always seem to work better, and secondly ( when the XYL
>finally
>notices them) I can say with a straight face " Oh, that antenna ??? It's
>been
>up there for a while" . She's forgiven me many times over the years, and
>never made me take one down I wasn't ready to do away with.
>
>I really liked the choice of radio vs hog raising idea, and will bank that
>one
>for future needs.
>
>73, Tom AA1NZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:13:45 -0700
>From: "Chris BONDE" <ve7hcb at rac.ca>
>Subject: Re: [Antennas] RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10
>To: fkamp at comcast.net, antennas at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <4124B599.30282.11A47BD at localhost>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>I put up an antenna after I have been working on it for about a month.
>That is I
>leave it up.
>
>The month routine is put up the masts, take down the masts, put up masts
>and wire
>etc, Take all down. Put all up with feedline but do not connect the
>feedline. Leave
>for awhile.
>
>If any complaints just say, "I wonder how bad the interference will be
>when I
>connect it up to may radio?" "Would you please log the date time and
>frequency
>you received the interference on so that I can work towards correcting it."
>
>Never had any complaints after that. Neighbours TV dishes are just as bad
>for
>sight.
>
>Chris opr VE7HCB
>
>
>
>Larry Fields wrote:
> >
> > I had a friend a few years back who kept buying antennas like
> > the old
> > Hygain 18avt and some Hustler HF ones but refused to put em up, only
> > because he felt the neighbors might object to it. He finaaly settled
> > on smaller ones like discones and vhf/uhf ones. I kept thinking
> > maybe his wife was talking him out of it. Mine sometimes does the
> > same but I still have 4 dipoles on the roof.
> >
>
>This is an interesting topic.
>
>What do you do about neighbors who mighnt not approve of a boudacious
>antenna installation?
>
>Well, first off, you dont tell them about your intentions.
>
>A proven fact is that is much easier to ask forgivness than
>permission.
>
>Dont ask for permission. Do it. If that generates complaints, deal
>with them.
>
>Regards,
>Frank Kamp
>- - -
>
>Your moderator for this list is:
>Larry Wilson KE1HZ antennas-owner at mailman.qth.net
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:45:48 -0400
>From: "Doug Weaver" <dweaver at dtnspeed.net>
>Subject: [Antennas] On The Glass Antennas
>To: <antennas at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <008301c4863e$459fa040$8235010a at DTNSPEED.NET>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Is any one out there using a on the glass antenna on the side window of a
>2002 Ford Explorer? While looking through HRO catalog I found a 2M/440
>glass mounted antenna made by ATOC Technologies. In the product description
>it states (Note: Some newer automobiles are equipped with "passavated
>glass"
>which does not permit on-glass antennas to work properly) The owners
>manual
>says nothing and a 20 minute phone call to Ford also comes up with nothing.
>I also tried an e-mail to the antenna manufacturer and got no response.
>This is the first time I've heard of this issue.
>
>Doug....KD8KX
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:49:47 -0700
>From: "Mark - AA6DX" <aa6dx at pacbell.net>
>Subject: Re: [Antennas] RE: Antennas Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10
>To: "Tom Bates" <tlbates at lr.net>, <antennas at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <003101c4863e$e90e7670$7562ce3f at main>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>HOGS VS AERIALS ...
>Funny ... 1980S, in the midst of purchasing a country home outside of Red
>Bluff, CA, went over the subdivision covenants, the only one really was
>that
>you could NOT raise hogs there! Really! There was a large pork farm
>nearby, and I guess the folks who set up the paperwork had had it with
>pigs!
>Nothing about aerials, though!
>73, Mark AA6DX
>
>
>
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