Are you saying that a vertical dipole will not work *correctly* without a counterpoise? Not all vertical antennas are a monopole. Danny, K6MHE At 04:29 PM 4/15/2002 -0700, you wrote: >No VERTICAL ANTENNA WILL WORK CORRECTLY WITH OUT A COUNTERPOISE normally >that means radials but, a grid screen or metal surface will work as a >counterpoise > >Randy >AC7NJ