[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 197, Issue 4

Mike Bracey mikebracey at att.net
Fri Sep 4 21:06:01 EDT 2020 

 Amen Larry!
Mike KE5YTV

    On Friday, September 4, 2020, 7:57:12 PM CDT, Larry Oneets <oneets123 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Well not all of us spend thousands of dollars on equipment, some old stuff
from Ebay and mostly home brew stuff.  Don't have the cash for the "good"
stuff. A 2 or 3 tube cw transmitter will work as good as a 2 or 3  thousand
dollar transmitter  A hundred dollar receiver that is tuned up works well
also.  $50 IS a lot to some folks.
Larry K9LWI

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>    1. Re: Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal Proceeding  is
>      Open for Comments (W. Harris)
>    2. Re: Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal Proceeding is
>      Open for Comments (craig yoho)
>    3. Re: Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal Proceeding  is
>      Open for Comments (w5jo at brightok.net)
>    4. Re: Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal      Proceeding      is
>      Open for Comments (manualman at juno.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 18:22:56 +0000
> From: "W. Harris" <nbcblue at hotmail.com>
> To: "w5jo at brightok.net" <w5jo at brightok.net>
> Cc: AM Radio List <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal
>        Proceeding      is Open for Comments
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> So a ham, even on a fixed income, can spend hundreds, maybe thousands of
> dollars on ham equipment can't afford a license fee of $50 every 10 years?
> Really?
>
> Bill - K5MIL
> ________________________________
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> on behalf of w5jo at brightok.net <w5jo at brightok.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 9:17 PM
> Cc: AM Radio List <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal Proceeding
> is Open for Comments
>
>
> Good arguments Rob, however, some hams are or may be on a fixed income and
> a
> one time  $50 fee at renewal every 10 years could cause a bit of trouble.
> I
> am advocating from that perspective and the fact it is a voluntary
> organization even though I can afford the fee.  Many hams may be inactive
> most of the time, but in the event of a major catastrophe would come out of
> the woodwork to help.
>
> Jim
> W5JO
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Atkinson
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 4:03 PM
> To: Jim Wilhite
> Cc: AM Radio List
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal Proceeding
> is Open for Comments
>
> I don't have a problem with it.  If it happens okay.  If not, okay.
> I used to pay $8 just to take the license exam.  If I failed, the fee
> was not refundable.  I therefore made sure I'd pass.  No memorizing
> for me.  That was back in the early 1970s.  50 dollars is probably the
> same adjusted for inflation.  In fact, if they charged $50 to take the
> test it would cut down on frivolous applicants and people testing
> again and again until they pass, and not learning anything.  By
> frivolous I mean people who want to get a ticket just to see if they
> can, with no intention of ever getting on the air.  I run into "hams"
> like that around here often.  It will also curb vanity call sign
> hoarders. A license is good for 10 years.  $50 is $5 / year.  I have a
> hard time believing an active ham will balk at that.  It will also cut
> down the bloated bogus ham population.  Does anyone think all 700,000
> hams in the U.S. are active?  We're all inactive for one reason or
> another at times, but judging by ham band activity I estimate
> liberally, that there are 50K active hams.
>
> The ARRL is against it.  I have heard off the record that they, or
> some of them, fear hams will drop their membership to pay the fee.
> That's ridiculous.  It's NOT $50 every year.
>
> 73
> Rob
> K5UJ
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 15:21:35 -0400
> From: craig yoho <yoho411 at gmail.com>
> To: "W. Harris" <nbcblue at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal
>        Proceeding is Open for Comments
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> I don't usually chime in, however.      Here's my dime.      This is how
> things start.  This year $50 , 4 years from now $75, 10-$150.    Where is
> this money actually going ?    Is this to pay for our share of the spectrum
> so big business does not interfere?    Is this to secure our frequencies
> from being farmed out to whomever?    Is it to subsidise the lack of income
> from the FCC, so that commissioners and their expansive staffs continue to
> make large takehome?  Latest data I could dig up on that was 2018 where
> there were 1492 employees of the FCC where the AVERAGE salary was
> $134,990.13 a year with total salaries in excess of $200.73 Million.
> Where does it go ?  My point being when does it end?  When you give up
> your freedom, liberties and privilege, you will never get them back.  Ask
> me about my healthcare, my retirement healthcare, my pension, those items I
> will never get back.    What does this say about discouraging the outside
> community, those younger generations.  To you and I $50 every few years is
> nothing, however as most of you know those rates will increase until there
> is pushback from the community, or until they dwindle down the maximum
> usable frequencies and the service goes away.  Pushback now , fight now
> when it can be scuttled immediately, or try to push back when the rates get
> jacked up every few years.  I guess I don't look at the immediate, I look
> at long term.  $50 now could be $250 then.  When its out of your control,
> there is very little you can do to stop it.      Just my take , an opinion
> from the younger generation of Amateurs.    de KB3RHR - Craig
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:23 PM W. Harris <nbcblue at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So a ham, even on a fixed income, can spend hundreds, maybe thousands of
> > dollars on ham equipment can't afford a license fee of $50 every 10
> years?
> > Really?
> >
> > Bill - K5MIL
> > ________________________________
> > From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net <amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> > on behalf of w5jo at brightok.net <w5jo at brightok.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 9:17 PM
> > Cc: AM Radio List <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal
> Proceeding
> > is Open for Comments
> >
> >
> > Good arguments Rob, however, some hams are or may be on a fixed income
> and
> > a
> > one time  $50 fee at renewal every 10 years could cause a bit of trouble.
> > I
> > am advocating from that perspective and the fact it is a voluntary
> > organization even though I can afford the fee.  Many hams may be inactive
> > most of the time, but in the event of a major catastrophe would come out
> of
> > the woodwork to help.
> >
> > Jim
> > W5JO
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Atkinson
> > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 4:03 PM
> > To: Jim Wilhite
> > Cc: AM Radio List
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal
> Proceeding
> > is Open for Comments
> >
> > I don't have a problem with it.  If it happens okay.  If not, okay.
> > I used to pay $8 just to take the license exam.  If I failed, the fee
> > was not refundable.  I therefore made sure I'd pass.  No memorizing
> > for me.  That was back in the early 1970s.  50 dollars is probably the
> > same adjusted for inflation.  In fact, if they charged $50 to take the
> > test it would cut down on frivolous applicants and people testing
> > again and again until they pass, and not learning anything.  By
> > frivolous I mean people who want to get a ticket just to see if they
> > can, with no intention of ever getting on the air.  I run into "hams"
> > like that around here often.  It will also curb vanity call sign
> > hoarders. A license is good for 10 years.  $50 is $5 / year.  I have a
> > hard time believing an active ham will balk at that.  It will also cut
> > down the bloated bogus ham population.  Does anyone think all 700,000
> > hams in the U.S. are active?  We're all inactive for one reason or
> > another at times, but judging by ham band activity I estimate
> > liberally, that there are 50K active hams.
> >
> > The ARRL is against it.  I have heard off the record that they, or
> > some of them, fear hams will drop their membership to pay the fee.
> > That's ridiculous.  It's NOT $50 every year.
> >
> > 73
> > Rob
> > K5UJ
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:12:03 -0500
> From: <w5jo at brightok.net>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>        <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal
>        Proceeding      is Open for Comments
> Message-ID: <36AB2FE962D44A2A9C04BB6D1CD80956 at JimPC>
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> At my age I am lucky to remember my name, but recently the FCC reassigned
> one of the millimeter or micrometer bands to allow primary use to other
> entities and reduced amateur usage to secondary.  I think, but again I
> plead
> old age memory, it has to do with 5 G, I maybe wrong on the use but I do
> know the ARRL was involved and tried unsuccessfully to stop it.
>
> Jim
> W5JO
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> What is the threat now?
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 6:50 AM ARS W5OMR <ars.w5omr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In the late 50's, it was the reallocation of 11m to the Citizens band. In
> > the 1990's, it was the reallocation of the bottom of the 220MHz band to
> > UPS
> > (who never used it).
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 04:52 Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What is the threat?  What are the other services?
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Rob
> > > K5UJ
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 19:18:07 -0400
> From: <manualman at juno.com>
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal
>        Proceeding      is Open for Comments
> Message-ID: <AABRXFU7DAD5HNRJ at smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> A penny a day is all it takes. I found a dime in the food store parking
> lot today. I'm good for the next 10 days.
>
> Pete, wa2cwa
> www.manualman.com
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 18:22:56 +0000 "W. Harris" <nbcblue at hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > So a ham, even on a fixed income, can spend hundreds, maybe thousands
> > of dollars on ham equipment can't afford a license fee of $50 every
> > 10 years? Really?
> >
> > Bill - K5MIL
> > ________________________________
> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 9:17 PM
> > Cc: AM Radio List <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fw: ARLB021 FCC Application Fee Proposal
> > Proceeding is Open for Comments
> >
> >
> > Good arguments Rob, however, some hams are or may be on a fixed
> > income and a
> > one time  $50 fee at renewal every 10 years could cause a bit of
> > trouble.  I
> > am advocating from that perspective and the fact it is a voluntary
> > organization even though I can afford the fee.  Many hams may be
> > inactive
> > most of the time, but in the event of a major catastrophe would come
> > out of
> > the woodwork to help.
> >
> > Jim
> > W5JO
>
>
>
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