From ars.w5omr at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 12:27:45 2019
From: ars.w5omr at gmail.com (ARS W5OMR)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:27:45 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit
In-Reply-To: <65C0EBDFA62446C99ACABE51479810CF@JimPC>
References: <AABQTR3J7A5K9U6S@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
	<c23b2ecf-d916-f2fd-24d8-f6beceb1faaf@gmail.com>
	<fb784284-eb52-8561-a421-6727b4a65492@gmail.com>
	<65C0EBDFA62446C99ACABE51479810CF@JimPC>
Message-ID: <CAOhDOk28uiOBzeuZFUjz0bdjqt_4qSnLnnY1ToVso00T3t2-yA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but dont most of those band switches
> have a little grease, probably graphite grease,  in those contacts?


Running something like Deoxit removes all that, specifically the graphite,
eliminating the 'contact's from one side of the switch to the other.

I bought some anti-seize, with graphite from an automobile parts place the
other day. I've used it on all my physical connections on the mobile
antenna system. All noise removed.
Perhaps a much smaller application, perhaps with an applicator smaller than
a q-tip would work better for band switches, especially those that have a
ball bearing with an indent.

Just a thought.

73 = Best Regards,
Geoff/W5OMR

>

From wb4aeg at zoho.com  Mon Jul  1 13:10:44 2019
From: wb4aeg at zoho.com (Hal Dale)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 13:10:44 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit
In-Reply-To: <CAOhDOk28uiOBzeuZFUjz0bdjqt_4qSnLnnY1ToVso00T3t2-yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AABQTR3J7A5K9U6S@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
	<c23b2ecf-d916-f2fd-24d8-f6beceb1faaf@gmail.com>
	<fb784284-eb52-8561-a421-6727b4a65492@gmail.com>
	<65C0EBDFA62446C99ACABE51479810CF@JimPC>
	<CAOhDOk28uiOBzeuZFUjz0bdjqt_4qSnLnnY1ToVso00T3t2-yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16bae8475b7.f3af4c2c19480.3242424867158715960@zoho.com>

DeOxit is oil based....Hal/WB4AEG


---- On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:27:45 -0400 ARS W5OMR <ars.w5omr at gmail.com> wrote ----


> 
> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but dont most of those band switches 
> have a little grease, probably graphite grease,  in those contacts? 
 
 
Running something like Deoxit removes all that, specifically the graphite, 
eliminating the 'contact's from one side of the switch to the other. 
 
I bought some anti-seize, with graphite from an automobile parts place the 
other day. I've used it on all my physical connections on the mobile 
antenna system. All noise removed. 
Perhaps a much smaller application, perhaps with an applicator smaller than 
a q-tip would work better for band switches, especially those that have a 
ball bearing with an indent. 
 
Just a thought. 
 
73 = Best Regards, 
Geoff/W5OMR 
 
> 
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From ars.w5omr at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 13:28:58 2019
From: ars.w5omr at gmail.com (ARS W5OMR)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 12:28:58 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit
In-Reply-To: <16bae8475b7.f3af4c2c19480.3242424867158715960@zoho.com>
References: <AABQTR3J7A5K9U6S@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
	<c23b2ecf-d916-f2fd-24d8-f6beceb1faaf@gmail.com>
	<fb784284-eb52-8561-a421-6727b4a65492@gmail.com>
	<65C0EBDFA62446C99ACABE51479810CF@JimPC>
	<CAOhDOk28uiOBzeuZFUjz0bdjqt_4qSnLnnY1ToVso00T3t2-yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<16bae8475b7.f3af4c2c19480.3242424867158715960@zoho.com>
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Oil isn't conductive.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 12:11 Hal Dale <wb4aeg at zoho.com> wrote:

> DeOxit is oil based....Hal/WB4AEG
>
>
> ---- On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:27:45 -0400 *ARS W5OMR <ars.w5omr at gmail.com
> <ars.w5omr at gmail.com>>* wrote ----
>
> >
> > Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but dont most of those band
> switches
> > have a little grease, probably graphite grease, in those contacts?
>
>
> Running something like Deoxit removes all that, specifically the graphite,
> eliminating the 'contact's from one side of the switch to the other.
>
> I bought some anti-seize, with graphite from an automobile parts place the
> other day. I've used it on all my physical connections on the mobile
> antenna system. All noise removed.
> Perhaps a much smaller application, perhaps with an applicator smaller
> than
> a q-tip would work better for band switches, especially those that have a
> ball bearing with an indent.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> 73 = Best Regards,
> Geoff/W5OMR
>
> >
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  1 13:50:38 2019
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (mjcal77 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:50:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Cleaners
Message-ID: <908588014.902225.1562003438784@mail.yahoo.com>

Quietrol seems to have been the best, made in Spartanburg, SC for years until the EPA outlawed the use of the main ingredient, carbon tet I think.   I still have a couple sealed bottles as back ups.  I use 100% alcohol and the wooden stick Q tips you get at a pharmacy.  Deoxit and Cramloin I have used, but do go back and wash them out with the alcohol.  A heat gun makes sure nothing is left.  Cramolin can take the carbon track off the phenolic on pots if they are that type.  The fellows who use WD40, well, guess you have been lucky, but that was always a major 'never use' in electronics.  Water Displacement #40, while the can says it is good for so many things, using it on guns, fishing reels, other small and intricate part devices, usually has side effects.  One of the things in it is citric acid, not sure how many of you want to dunk something special in a jar of orange juice.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  1 14:18:59 2019
From: rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com (C.L. Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:18:59 +0000
Subject: [AMRadio] Cleaners
In-Reply-To: <908588014.902225.1562003438784@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <908588014.902225.1562003438784@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR20MB20816F2E81D0EECAE59172CB82F90@BL0PR20MB2081.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Believe it was the carbon tetrachloride that EPA didn't like.  Used Quietrol for many years myself as did most of the TV repair shops around here at the time.  I have tried many products since then and none seem to do the same good work.  Sure nice of the government keeping us away from harmful chemicals, especially in the small quantities they were present in the stuff that worked.  Did not look up and see if carbon tet is still listed in the hazardous materials lists and, if so, what its reportable quantity is.  Would be interesting information.

Mitch,  K9PNP

________________________________
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Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 12:50 PM
To: Amphone
Subject: [AMRadio] Cleaners

Quietrol seems to have been the best, made in Spartanburg, SC for years until the EPA outlawed the use of the main ingredient, carbon tet I think.   I still have a couple sealed bottles as back ups.  I use 100% alcohol and the wooden stick Q tips you get at a pharmacy.  Deoxit and Cramloin I have used, but do go back and wash them out with the alcohol.  A heat gun makes sure nothing is left.  Cramolin can take the carbon track off the phenolic on pots if they are that type.  The fellows who use WD40, well, guess you have been lucky, but that was always a major 'never use' in electronics.  Water Displacement #40, while the can says it is good for so many things, using it on guns, fishing reels, other small and intricate part devices, usually has side effects.  One of the things in it is citric acid, not sure how many of you want to dunk something special in a jar of orange juice.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From randyn3lrx at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 03:51:39 2019
From: randyn3lrx at gmail.com (Randy Berry)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 03:51:39 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit
In-Reply-To: <2B3E63DBA5584D0B8D674688EECA9D2A@JimPC>
References: <2B3E63DBA5584D0B8D674688EECA9D2A@JimPC>
Message-ID: <CANoMxYRrcyoZR_=V4CWs1nMZ2NAdugE8iBsnv2XbXvZD7F-Mkw@mail.gmail.com>

The new Deoxit does not work as well as the old. I had an old can
around for years that I could swear by, but I lost track of it. So I
bought a new one, I don't know what changed but something has. I don't
know what this marvelous mystery D-Series is as compared to the old,
or to the new, because apparently there are 6 types of Deoxit now.


On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 4:29 PM <w5jo at brightok.net> wrote:
>
> I have a question that I have been pondering for a while and maybe I need
> some additional evidence.
>
> Over the years Deoxit has become a staple of switch cleaning by us
> boatanchor aficionados.  Everyone seems happy with it so much so, that
> nothing else is mentioned.  However I have had some occurrences that
> required reapplication of the substance after some time, usually in months
> to a year.  I wonder if anyone else has that happen?
>
> My observations are particularly  related to band switches.  With
> reapplication the switch goes back to normal operation but later the
> problems surface again.   The problem is frequent enough that I have ceased
> using Deoxit and am trying a different chemical.
>
> So does anyone else see these problems?  I am curious.
>
> Jim
> W5JO
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From K4TQF at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  2 10:36:24 2019
From: K4TQF at yahoo.com (K4TQF at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:36:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] WTB: Johnson cabinet
References: <2141080741.1895359.1562078184473.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2141080741.1895359.1562078184473@mail.yahoo.com>

WTB: Cabinet for Johnson Viking Valiant. Condx not an issue.
Contact K4TQF at yahoo.com
Thanks, Durff

From w5jo at brightok.net  Tue Jul  2 17:25:37 2019
From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:25:37 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 meter band
Message-ID: <186BB2417EA345CFB5162AE5D0D384E1@JimPC>

I read a post on AMFone about this so though there might be some who do not 
see things there.

So here is a link to a discussion about our two meter band.

https://hackaday.com/2019/07/01/the-backbone-of-vhf-amateur-radio-may-be-under-threat/

Maybe everyone should bombard the ARRL with inquiries to see how valid it is 
and the possibility of it happening.

Jim
W5JO 


From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 21:18:54 2019
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 20:18:54 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 meter band
In-Reply-To: <186BB2417EA345CFB5162AE5D0D384E1@JimPC>
References: <186BB2417EA345CFB5162AE5D0D384E1@JimPC>
Message-ID: <CALWD7Z5rTS8L1LHM87MLuOJi9mMS_E_+KAY=mjSFda6QCr=32w@mail.gmail.com>

Given the decline in ham radio activity, I wouldn't be surprised if
more gets taken away beginning with everything above 10 meters.  I
think the 2 meter grab is currently in some kind of committee in
Europe, meeting in Prague, and the issue has not made it to DefCon Red
yet, HOWEVER, everyone ignored or was blindsided by some little known
ZL group called No Code International, and they came out of nowhere
and suddenly persuaded the abolishment of CW testing at the ITU level,
and boom, no more code test.  It could happen again with other agendas
like frequency grabs.  I think France wants the 2 Mc from 144 to 146;
Germany is against it.   Hams need to be more active about fighting
this kind of thing.   If everyone just thinks, "I don't operate there
so I don't care" then we'll lose it all.    Heck, Don K4KYV tried to
gin up comments to FCC about getting primary ham status for 1900 to
2000 kc, and even 160 m. DX and Contest ops didn't do anything because
it wasn't the part of the band they use.  That's just plain myopic and
stupid.

73

Rob
K5UJ

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:25 PM <w5jo at brightok.net> wrote:
>
> I read a post on AMFone about this so though there might be some who do not
> see things there.
>
> So here is a link to a discussion about our two meter band.
>
> https://hackaday.com/2019/07/01/the-backbone-of-vhf-amateur-radio-may-be-under-threat/
>
> Maybe everyone should bombard the ARRL with inquiries to see how valid it is
> and the possibility of it happening.
>
> Jim
> W5JO
>

From K4TQF at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  2 22:15:51 2019
From: K4TQF at yahoo.com (K4TQF at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:15:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
References: <1969707766.2228250.1562120151892.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1969707766.2228250.1562120151892@mail.yahoo.com>

Found on the Internet:

Cramolin is the original and only trademark holder for Cramolin. See below. HISTORY OF CRAMOLIN
CRAMOLIN-RED and BLUE have always been manufactured by Cramolin Chemisch-technische
of Muhlacker, Germany ( formerly R.Shafer + Co. owned by Mrs. Mainberger). Prior to 1991, Caig Labs
was allowed to sell CRAMOLIN in the USA and Canada under a licensing agreement from liquid
concentrate supplied by Germany thereby acting as a distributor. In 1978, Caig was promoting and telling
users that they were the producers of CRAMOLIN and at that time, Mrs. Mainberger requested that
Caig stop abusing the CRAMOLIN trademark and trade name. While ignoring our request, Caig
continued to mislead users that CRAMOLIN was not allowed to be imported due to environmental reasons
and high import restrictions and duties, this was completely false. In fact, CRAMOLIN has led the way to
re-formulate our products to be environmentally safe to the world. During this time 1978-1991, we believe that
Caig decided to copy and distribute other solvents, lubricants similar to our CRAMOLIN product line. Therefore
in 1994, Caig was no longer allowed to be a distributor or use our trademark. H-Dieter Schlindwein,
John Berry and Richard Shaffert were formerly with CRC and in 1991 purchased the previous owned
35-year-old chemical specialty company, CRAMOLIN, changing the packaging, designs and broaden
its product line.In 1995, CRAMOLIN expanded its World to the United States and to the Pacific Rim area
establishing offices and distribution for our fine products. Our pricing is at the same level or below
competitors for a higher quality product and excellent in product performance. Keep in mind our product is
packaged in a net milliliter content fill container compared to an US net fluid ounce-filled container.
Our CRAMOLIN service products are a broad base line of chemical specialty products and can be sold
to OEM, Direct Industrial Outlets or Mass Retailers. We offer a High Performance and a High Quality
chemical specialty product which in return offers High Profit Margins and are very Profitable to those
who sell our products.

CRAMOLIN USA
z. Hd. Mr. Richard Schaffert
2916 Paprika Road Doylestown PA 18901 / USA
Tel 001 215 794 3567
Fax 001 215 794 9169
cramolin at aol.com


From jim.isbell at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 23:26:34 2019
From: jim.isbell at gmail.com (Jim Isbell, W5JAI)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 22:26:34 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
Message-ID: <CAB+LbZBC+EpKkNh2RK5FGy+PfMTzN6GRPCeVj1V3KvzBAXPGdQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Penetrox is a grease used by Mosley to assemble their antennas to preserve
the electrical connection between the different elements.  It seems to work
of YEARS.  I wonder if thinning it with something might provide a solution
that would work on switches??????

ALSO why the hell can I NOT respond to everyone instead of just to the
author.  I am going to stop using this interface if it continues to thwart
me this way.  ITS insane.  Like responding to a group QSO and my signal
being blocked except to only ONE person.
Jim Isbell

From k6xyz at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  2 23:54:05 2019
From: k6xyz at sbcglobal.net (David Harmon)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 22:54:05 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
In-Reply-To: <CAB+LbZBC+EpKkNh2RK5FGy+PfMTzN6GRPCeVj1V3KvzBAXPGdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB+LbZBC+EpKkNh2RK5FGy+PfMTzN6GRPCeVj1V3KvzBAXPGdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201d53152$f7c108c0$e7431a40$@sbcglobal.net>

Because you need to hit the 'reply all' button....like I just did.
If you don't have that button....you can add it from your email app.


73

David Harmon
K6XYZ
Sperry, OK


-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Isbell, W5JAI
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:27 PM
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin

 Penetrox is a grease used by Mosley to assemble their antennas to preserve
the electrical connection between the different elements.  It seems to work
of YEARS.  I wonder if thinning it with something might provide a solution
that would work on switches??????

ALSO why the hell can I NOT respond to everyone instead of just to the
author.  I am going to stop using this interface if it continues to thwart
me this way.  ITS insane.  Like responding to a group QSO and my signal
being blocked except to only ONE person.
Jim Isbell
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From donroden at hiwaay.net  Wed Jul  3 04:55:19 2019
From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 03:55:19 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
In-Reply-To: <CAB+LbZBC+EpKkNh2RK5FGy+PfMTzN6GRPCeVj1V3KvzBAXPGdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20190703035519.Horde.BlnVE7wpIil8DJiXxwa7kQw@webmail.hiwaay.net>

"Reply All"   or  "Reply to List" seems to work for me.
Don W4DNR


Quoting "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" <jim.isbell at gmail.com>:

> Penetrox is a grease used by Mosley to assemble their antennas to preserve
> the electrical connection between the different elements.  It seems to work
> of YEARS.  I wonder if thinning it with something might provide a solution
> that would work on switches??????
>
> ALSO why the hell can I NOT respond to everyone instead of just to the
> author.  I am going to stop using this interface if it continues to thwart
> me this way.  ITS insane.  Like responding to a group QSO and my signal
> being blocked except to only ONE person.
> Jim Isbell
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From jim.isbell at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 09:57:12 2019
From: jim.isbell at gmail.com (Jim Isbell, W5JAI)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:57:12 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
In-Reply-To: <20190703035519.Horde.BlnVE7wpIil8DJiXxwa7kQw@webmail.hiwaay.net>
References: <CAB+LbZBC+EpKkNh2RK5FGy+PfMTzN6GRPCeVj1V3KvzBAXPGdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20190703035519.Horde.BlnVE7wpIil8DJiXxwa7kQw@webmail.hiwaay.net>
Message-ID: <CAB+LbZCMOWKZcPSWHjy=J8n3ouD2zr49ffvYTaBm1iUX5XRG7A@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, the post I just got from you has the "reply to all" option,
but the posts  I get from amradio at mailman.qth.net DO NOT have the "reply to
all" option aparently it is because the post from you has two addresses in
the header and the ones I get from amradio have only ONE address...???....
But then why does it not go to amradio???

I am seeing where others with gmail are having trouble with other issues.
Gmail just updated a few days ago......
Jim Isbell



On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 3:55 AM <donroden at hiwaay.net> wrote:

> "Reply All"   or  "Reply to List" seems to work for me.
> Don W4DNR
>
>
> Quoting "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" <jim.isbell at gmail.com>:
>
> > Penetrox is a grease used by Mosley to assemble their antennas to
> preserve
> > the electrical connection between the different elements.  It seems to
> work
> > of YEARS.  I wonder if thinning it with something might provide a
> solution
> > that would work on switches??????
> >
> > ALSO why the hell can I NOT respond to everyone instead of just to the
> > author.  I am going to stop using this interface if it continues to
> thwart
> > me this way.  ITS insane.  Like responding to a group QSO and my signal
> > being blocked except to only ONE person.
> > Jim Isbell
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net
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From robertisselhard at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 10:39:15 2019
From: robertisselhard at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:39:15 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 meter band
In-Reply-To: <CALWD7Z5rTS8L1LHM87MLuOJi9mMS_E_+KAY=mjSFda6QCr=32w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186BB2417EA345CFB5162AE5D0D384E1@JimPC>
	<CALWD7Z5rTS8L1LHM87MLuOJi9mMS_E_+KAY=mjSFda6QCr=32w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE=cjP=R0stw5Q61PP0RszidKt4cy=8TYfB1PeeSENbjmD+UqQ@mail.gmail.com>

There is an old Russian saying that is so true in this instance: ?When it
happens to YOU, you?ll know it?s true?.

The ?it doesn?t other me so I don?t care? attitude could sink is if we?re
not careful.

My inflation-adjusted two cents worth

73,  Bob, K5INW

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 7:19 PM Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Given the decline in ham radio activity, I wouldn't be surprised if
> more gets taken away beginning with everything above 10 meters.  I
> think the 2 meter grab is currently in some kind of committee in
> Europe, meeting in Prague, and the issue has not made it to DefCon Red
> yet, HOWEVER, everyone ignored or was blindsided by some little known
> ZL group called No Code International, and they came out of nowhere
> and suddenly persuaded the abolishment of CW testing at the ITU level,
> and boom, no more code test.  It could happen again with other agendas
> like frequency grabs.  I think France wants the 2 Mc from 144 to 146;
> Germany is against it.   Hams need to be more active about fighting
> this kind of thing.   If everyone just thinks, "I don't operate there
> so I don't care" then we'll lose it all.    Heck, Don K4KYV tried to
> gin up comments to FCC about getting primary ham status for 1900 to
> 2000 kc, and even 160 m. DX and Contest ops didn't do anything because
> it wasn't the part of the band they use.  That's just plain myopic and
> stupid.
>
> 73
>
> Rob
> K5UJ
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:25 PM <w5jo at brightok.net> wrote:
> >
> > I read a post on AMFone about this so though there might be some who do
> not
> > see things there.
> >
> > So here is a link to a discussion about our two meter band.
> >
> >
> https://hackaday.com/2019/07/01/the-backbone-of-vhf-amateur-radio-may-be-under-threat/
> >
> > Maybe everyone should bombard the ARRL with inquiries to see how valid
> it is
> > and the possibility of it happening.
> >
> > Jim
> > W5JO
> >
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From donroden at hiwaay.net  Wed Jul  3 13:03:57 2019
From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:03:57 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] sent only to "list"
Message-ID: <20190703120357.Horde.O5U9p4luC3KfpYqTRb1fSto@webmail.hiwaay.net>

OK Jim,

This one was sent to   amradio at mailman.qth.net   ONLY.


Don W4DNR

From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 15:34:00 2019
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:34:00 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
In-Reply-To: <1969707766.2228250.1562120151892@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1969707766.2228250.1562120151892.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1969707766.2228250.1562120151892@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANCs6AVUpYFhAZCA270yBZfK3_HeJK03w0UH3sd4H3Q_T7wKpA@mail.gmail.com>

That corresponds almost exactly with what I was told back in the mid-90s.
Except for the part about misleading users and attempting to copy the
formula, of course.

Not only that, I had been under the impression (along with many others)
that Cramolin was no longer produced and hadn't been for some time due to
tougher environmental laws.

Very interesting indeed.

Thanks very much for posting this.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:16 PM K4TQF--- via AMRadio <
amradio at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Found on the Internet:
>
> Cramolin is the original and only trademark holder for Cramolin. See
> below. HISTORY OF CRAMOLIN
> CRAMOLIN-RED and BLUE have always been manufactured by Cramolin
> Chemisch-technische
> of Muhlacker, Germany ( formerly R.Shafer + Co. owned by Mrs. Mainberger).
> Prior to 1991, Caig Labs
> was allowed to sell CRAMOLIN in the USA and Canada under a licensing
> agreement from liquid
> concentrate supplied by Germany thereby acting as a distributor. In 1978,
> Caig was promoting and telling
> users that they were the producers of CRAMOLIN and at that time, Mrs.
> Mainberger requested that
> Caig stop abusing the CRAMOLIN trademark and trade name. While ignoring
> our request, Caig
> continued to mislead users that CRAMOLIN was not allowed to be imported
> due to environmental reasons
> and high import restrictions and duties, this was completely false. In
> fact, CRAMOLIN has led the way to
> re-formulate our products to be environmentally safe to the world. During
> this time 1978-1991, we believe that
> Caig decided to copy and distribute other solvents, lubricants similar to
> our CRAMOLIN product line. Therefore
> in 1994, Caig was no longer allowed to be a distributor or use our
> trademark. H-Dieter Schlindwein,
> John Berry and Richard Shaffert were formerly with CRC and in 1991
> purchased the previous owned
> 35-year-old chemical specialty company, CRAMOLIN, changing the packaging,
> designs and broaden
> its product line.In 1995, CRAMOLIN expanded its World to the United States
> and to the Pacific Rim area
> establishing offices and distribution for our fine products. Our pricing
> is at the same level or below
> competitors for a higher quality product and excellent in product
> performance. Keep in mind our product is
> packaged in a net milliliter content fill container compared to an US net
> fluid ounce-filled container.
> Our CRAMOLIN service products are a broad base line of chemical specialty
> products and can be sold
> to OEM, Direct Industrial Outlets or Mass Retailers. We offer a High
> Performance and a High Quality
> chemical specialty product which in return offers High Profit Margins and
> are very Profitable to those
> who sell our products.
>
> CRAMOLIN USA
> z. Hd. Mr. Richard Schaffert
> 2916 Paprika Road Doylestown PA 18901 / USA
> Tel 001 215 794 3567
> Fax 001 215 794 9169
> cramolin at aol.com
>
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From w5jo at brightok.net  Wed Jul  3 17:27:44 2019
From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:27:44 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
In-Reply-To: <CANCs6AVUpYFhAZCA270yBZfK3_HeJK03w0UH3sd4H3Q_T7wKpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1969707766.2228250.1562120151892.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1969707766.2228250.1562120151892@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CANCs6AVUpYFhAZCA270yBZfK3_HeJK03w0UH3sd4H3Q_T7wKpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E6F2F2090E341C79BB5EA2DB728CD28@JimPC>

I did a search for Cramolin and, naturally, the search returned results for 
Lubricants on Amazon.  Also a lot of Caig Labs stuff which is to be 
expected.  Buy my surprise was De-Ox-Id.

I found a 4 oz. can for $49.95.  The Deoxit stuff was much less.

Jim
W5JO

-----Original Message----- 


That corresponds almost exactly with what I was told back in the mid-90s.
Except for the part about misleading users and attempting to copy the
formula, of course.

Not only that, I had been under the impression (along with many others)
that Cramolin was no longer produced and hadn't been for some time due to
tougher environmental laws.

Very interesting indeed.

Thanks very much for posting this.



From w5jo at brightok.net  Wed Jul  3 18:09:37 2019
From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:09:37 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Deoxit / Cramolin
In-Reply-To: <CA+DS1VLponFCwgsrHQ4Q24pZ-eNOUC92B2RsEXbCeL2TN6djKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1969707766.2228250.1562120151892.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1969707766.2228250.1562120151892@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CANCs6AVUpYFhAZCA270yBZfK3_HeJK03w0UH3sd4H3Q_T7wKpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E6F2F2090E341C79BB5EA2DB728CD28@JimPC>
	<CA+DS1VLponFCwgsrHQ4Q24pZ-eNOUC92B2RsEXbCeL2TN6djKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDA0217A17D84DB6AF3471F706E5946F@JimPC>

Hummm! someone is going broke or someone is getting rich.  I bet I know who.  Thanks for that link, so far it has performed much better than Deoxit.

I cleaned a band switch on an NC 183D about a year ago and it has been setting in my house since trying it.  I put it on the bench the other day and it plays like it should without any problems with the switch.

Jim
@W5JO



From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX 

How about this one Jim:

https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/contact-cleaner-gc-electronics-de-ox-id-light-oil-based 

Dex 


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 5:28 PM <w5jo at brightok.net> wrote:

  I did a search for Cramolin and, naturally, the search returned results for 
  Lubricants on Amazon.  Also a lot of Caig Labs stuff which is to be 
  expected.  Buy my surprise was De-Ox-Id.

  I found a 4 oz. can for $49.95.  The Deoxit stuff was much less.

  Jim
  W5JO

  -----Original Message----- 


  That corresponds almost exactly with what I was told back in the mid-90s.
  Except for the part about misleading users and attempting to copy the
  formula, of course.

  Not only that, I had been under the impression (along with many others)
  that Cramolin was no longer produced and hadn't been for some time due to
  tougher environmental laws.

  Very interesting indeed.

  Thanks very much for posting this.


From bguyger at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  9 20:34:42 2019
From: bguyger at yahoo.com (Bill Guyger)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 19:34:42 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Free radio
Message-ID: <F7B9F8CB-6122-4E77-AA33-A6BC73743FC5@yahoo.com>

Guys

I have a BC-1004 aka Hammerlund Pro 400 series for free but you pick it up in Coppell TX. At the former 570 transmitter site. Preferably in the next week.

It was here when we (then Susquehanna Radio) bought the site in 1990 and I latched onto it as a project which I've never gotten to. It's in good condition internally and the radio itself is in good external condition, but the black wrinkle is coming off the power supply cabinet. 

I have no interest in cleaning it up and applying lots of the afore mentioned Cramolin since the R-390A's I have are much better radios and one has more meaning since it belonged to a SK friend.

73s

Bill AD5OL 

Sent from my iPhone

From w5jo at brightok.net  Sat Jul 13 18:35:06 2019
From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] ARRL
Message-ID: <9FF64146EE714211B57EE04EB6CD4D5B@JimPC>

Now before I say this, I know there are some people who do not care for the 
ARRL.  However, they do have a good program to protect our frequencies and 
do a job in that area.

So with that in mind, Amazon has a sign in program that allows you to 
support many 501 (C3) groups, and the ARRL is a choice.     If you are 
interested in supporting the ARRL, or other organization on their list, 
take a look at this link that describes how to find it and how to use it.

https://www.kwu.edu/use-smileamazoncom-to-shop-online-automatically-donate-to-kwu

Jim
W5JO 


From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 18 00:09:04 2019
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 04:09:04 +0000
Subject: [AMRadio] Any deep pockets out there?
Message-ID: <CY4PR1401MB20370C8F4A5A20BDBF4A127EF4C80@CY4PR1401MB2037.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

> Unfortunately, finding 211s at sane prices is just about impossible
> these days.   It comes down to wandering flea markets hoping to get
> lucky.  

One of my homebrew transmitters uses a 211 to drive a pair of HF-300s in the final.  I have a few spares that I literally dug out of the ground.  They had been stored in an old house, where termites undermined the floor, which then fell onto the ground and rotted.  The tubes  had been in their original cardboard boxes that had rotted along with the wood. Back in the mid 1980s the owner was in a nursing home and his wife called me and a friend and let us know we were welcome to come up and haul anything home we wanted, since her husband was terminal and the  local ham club yokels had advised her to haul all the stash of old radio components and tubes to the dump because "nobody would be interested in that ald stuff any more", but fortunately she called us first because she wanted to see it go to a good home, not the landfill.  While searching through the rubble in the old house, I happened to discover a buried tube, and kept digging and found a half dozen 211s and some other tubes under the rotted wood that had turned to dirt. The tube bases and pins were heavily corroded, but cleaned up easily.  I tested them and all but one checked good as new.  I now periodically rotate them in the rig so they don't go soft on the shelf.

Like Rob, I found a box full of tubes at Dayton one year after sneaking into the flea market before the official opening time.  I think I paid the guy $10 for the box.  It was filled with vintage tubes, including some 203As, which are ever more rare than 211s.

In recent years I am seeing less and less of those treasures at hamfests and estate sales.  I think by now the owners are long gone and most of it has migrated either to ePay or to landfills.  Back in the mid 80s, hams from the 1920s and 30s were dropping like flies, like WWII vets to-day.  I just wish I had  had the wherewithal back then to have travelled over the country and  rescue a lot more of that stuff  from the garbage man.

Don k4kyv

From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Thu Jul 18 05:31:36 2019
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 04:31:36 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Any deep pockets out there?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1401MB20370C8F4A5A20BDBF4A127EF4C80@CY4PR1401MB2037.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR1401MB20370C8F4A5A20BDBF4A127EF4C80@CY4PR1401MB2037.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CALWD7Z6HBCGEfD9nLdKVFYcimF4Wggxj9C6kacWjp6p+=MZ6Dg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Don, I received your response which is below.  Maybe the failure to
deliver message had to do with a single subscriber who has an invalid
email address.

73
Rob
K5UJ

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:09 PM Donald Chester <k4kyv at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, finding 211s at sane prices is just about impossible
> > these days.   It comes down to wandering flea markets hoping to get
> > lucky.
>
> One of my homebrew transmitters uses a 211 to drive a pair of HF-300s in the final.  I have a few spares that I literally dug out of the ground.  They had been stored in an old house, where termites undermined the floor, which then fell onto the ground and rotted.  The tubes  had been in their original cardboard boxes that had rotted along with the wood. Back in the mid 1980s the owner was in a nursing home and his wife called me and a friend and let us know we were welcome to come up and haul anything home we wanted, since her husband was terminal and the  local ham club yokels had advised her to haul all the stash of old radio components and tubes to the dump because "nobody would be interested in that ald stuff any more", but fortunately she called us first because she wanted to see it go to a good home, not the landfill.  While searching through the rubble in the old house, I happened to discover a buried tube, and kept digging and found a half dozen 211s and some other t
>  ubes under the rotted wood that had turned to dirt. The tube bases and pins were heavily corroded, but cleaned up easily.  I tested them and all but one checked good as new.  I now periodically rotate them in the rig so they don't go soft on the shelf.
>
> Like Rob, I found a box full of tubes at Dayton one year after sneaking into the flea market before the official opening time.  I think I paid the guy $10 for the box.  It was filled with vintage tubes, including some 203As, which are ever more rare than 211s.
>
> In recent years I am seeing less and less of those treasures at hamfests and estate sales.  I think by now the owners are long gone and most of it has migrated either to ePay or to landfills.  Back in the mid 80s, hams from the 1920s and 30s were dropping like flies, like WWII vets to-day.  I just wish I had  had the wherewithal back then to have travelled over the country and  rescue a lot more of that stuff  from the garbage man.
>
> Don k4kyv

From jayw5jay at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 11:57:56 2019
From: jayw5jay at gmail.com (Jay Bromley)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:57:56 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Question for two mobile rigs?
Message-ID: <CAEXbNykQ2wEe6LWE0trKFJBOentXXBcg+sp7uG=-JvW0LtS15g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

I am wondering if anyone has a manual or schematic for two rigs.  I think
they are ten meter mobiles?  Subraco MT15X and the Lysco.  I have two of
the Lyscos and they both have different model numbers, but they look the
same.  One is model A129 and the other is B115.  I have Googled and looked
on BAMA, but I just don?t see anything on these so far.



I would love to know more about these little rigs, especially if you have
used either.


73 de jay/w5jay

From manualman at juno.com  Fri Jul 26 15:17:10 2019
From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:17:10 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] Question for two mobile rigs?
Message-ID: <AABQVYWRVAWP8RQ2@smtpout01.vgs.untd.com>

The Lysco A129 transmaster covers 27-30 MHz. You sure the other one is a
B115? Lysco has a B114 transmaster that covers 14 - 14.3 MHz. "A" models
used three 6AQ5's. "B" models used three 6V6's. "C" models use three 12A6
's. I have the manuals.
Surplus Sales is the only vendor that has the MT15X manual that I know
of. Inherited it when they bought Hi-Manuals years ago.

Pete, wa2cwa
www.manualman.com


On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:57:56 -0500 Jay Bromley <jayw5jay at gmail.com>
writes:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I am wondering if anyone has a manual or schematic for two rigs.  I 
> think
> they are ten meter mobiles?  Subraco MT15X and the Lysco.  I have 
> two of
> the Lyscos and they both have different model numbers, but they look 
> the
> same.  One is model A129 and the other is B115.  I have Googled and 
> looked
> on BAMA, but I just don?t see anything on these so far.
> 
> 
> 
> I would love to know more about these little rigs, especially if you 
> have
> used either.
> 
> 
> 73 de jay/w5jay


From Tonne at Comcast.net  Mon Jul 29 09:50:08 2019
From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:50:08 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] BCmapII
Message-ID: <1c6767eb-bb60-8ed8-53e5-819bcf3e8eb4@Comcast.net>


Folks:

I have just noticed that the AM Broadcast pattern-plotting program "BCmapII"
has been missing for a long time.? Restored.

Go to the link here:

http://www.tonnesoftware.com/miscellany.html

Scoll down to "Get BCmapII" to get the AM Broadcast pattern plotting 
program.

This is the one that has data for all AM stations in north America as of
1 December 2009.? So the database is old.? And not being updated. But 
you can
update it yourself since it is simple text.

- Jim Tonne





From w5jo at brightok.net  Mon Jul 29 15:43:47 2019
From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:43:47 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Holes in the sun.
Message-ID: <7A2C23E6C3D14314AF11ED49771BB39C@JimPC>

>From Space Weather.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

HOLES IN THE SUN'S ATMOSPHERE: Earth is about to be strobed by three streams 
of solar wind--each flowing from a hole the sun's atmosphere. NASA's Solar 
Dynamics Observatory photographed the gaseous spigots on July 29th:

These are "coronal holes"--places where the sun's magnetic field peels back 
and allows solar wind to escape. Coronal holes look dark in extreme 
ultraviolet images of the sun because glowing-hot plasma normally contained 
there is missing.
The first of the streams is expected to arrive on Aug 1st, followed by two 
more in rapid succession on Aug. 4th. Polar geomagnetic unrest and possibly 
some minor magnetic storms are possible on those dates. High-latitude sky 
watchers should be alert for auroras, especially in the southern hemisphere 
where winter darkness favors visibility 


From manualman at juno.com  Mon Jul 29 16:53:52 2019
From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:53:52 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] Holes in the sun.
Message-ID: <AABQV8ZHXAVH96J2@smtpout01.vgs.untd.com>

Also, be aware that the major Perseids meteor shower is active till
around 8/26. Predicted peak will be around 8/12 to 8/13. So, if you're so
inclined to bounce your AM signal off meteor trails, aim that antenna up.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:43:47 -0500 <w5jo at brightok.net> writes:
> From Space Weather.
> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/
> 
> HOLES IN THE SUN'S ATMOSPHERE: Earth is about to be strobed by three 
> streams 
> of solar wind--each flowing from a hole the sun's atmosphere. NASA's 
> Solar 
> Dynamics Observatory photographed the gaseous spigots on July 29th:
> 
> These are "coronal holes"--places where the sun's magnetic field 
> peels back 
> and allows solar wind to escape. Coronal holes look dark in extreme 
> 
> ultraviolet images of the sun because glowing-hot plasma normally 
> contained 
> there is missing.
> The first of the streams is expected to arrive on Aug 1st, followed 
> by two 
> more in rapid succession on Aug. 4th. Polar geomagnetic unrest and 
> possibly 
> some minor magnetic storms are possible on those dates. 
> High-latitude sky 
> watchers should be alert for auroras, especially in the southern 
> hemisphere 
> where winter darkness favors visibility 


