From k4kyv at charter.net  Mon Sep  4 16:55:39 2017
From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 15:55:39 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] FCC Technological Advisory Council Investigating
	Technical Regulations
Message-ID: <000201d325c0$2a2d5980$7e880c80$@charter.net>

The FCC Technological Advisory Council is looking into FCC technical
regulations to determine if reforms or changes might be in order. The FCC
has asked its Technological Advisory Council to help identify FCC technical
rules that are obsolete or may be ripe for change in light of current
communications technologies.

Revisiting the AM power issue comes to mind.

Recommendations for Removing Obsolete or Unnecessary Technical Rules:
The rapid pace of technology evolution often makes rules that were adopted
years ago unnecessary or irrelevant. This work group is tasked to review the
FCC technical rules to identify and prioritize those that should be
eliminated. In making recommendations the work group is to consider the
benefits and costs of doing so, particularly relative to any potential risks
of detrimental impact or unintended consequences to existing stakeholders
and how those risks can be mitigated. The work group is also tasked with
identifying alternative processes for streamlining the introduction of new
technologies as an alternative to the Commission's traditional approach of
considering technical matters through rule making. The Commission has
largely left it to industry to develop standards for new technologies. Would
it be feasible to use standards bodies for development of standards for such
things as transmitter power limits and out of band emissions? Are there
processes that exist or can be developed that bring stakeholders together to
develop consensus recommendations on technical matters, including whether it
is necessary to embody specific elements in regulations?

Interested parties may file comments in ET Docket 17-215 until October 30,
using the FCC Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS).

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-80
0A1.pdf


PS:  This could be a double-edged sword, making it all the more imperative
to watch closely. For example, certain interest groups might take this as an
opportunity to re-launch the ill-fated regulation-by-bandwidth proposal, or
to otherwise impose specific bandwidth limits or other onerous regulations
adverse to AM. Less likely, but not beyond the realm of possibility, we
could see renewed attempts to outlaw AM altogether.


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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  6 10:31:53 2017
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:31:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] MT5-A
References: <1676326750.4170242.1504708313472.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1676326750.4170242.1504708313472@mail.yahoo.com>

Anybody have a schematic of the Babcock MT5-A mobile xmtr, or can provide a clear picture of the underside of the chassis of the 'A' model?  I have a copy of the MT5-B manual from BAMA, but I am unsure of why it is a B model.  One difference is a toggle switch to allow the inclusion of a remove tuning network to make the B model a VFO xmtr instead of xtal only.  There is no toggle in the A model for that.  I have an A model that somebody got into, changing the 6CL6 osc/driver to a 6BK5, but never completed the work, or didn't know what they were doing as they made no connection to the plate of the 6BK5.  I would like to change it back to stock condx.  Surplus Sales of NE has a manual, but thought I would ask around first.  Thanks for any help.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From tobiebw2 at newmexico.com  Sun Sep 10 21:16:33 2017
From: tobiebw2 at newmexico.com (Steve Wender)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 19:16:33 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Question about HQ-180
Message-ID: <e1fef5c4-dfde-b46c-bb60-79e2f6e307c8@newmexico.com>

Hi All,

I am about done bringing an HQ-180 back to life.? Because there seemed 
to be several versions on the alignment procedure, it took a while to 
figure it out.

The question I have is about whether the two variable caps for the main 
tuning and bandspread are shielded.? I have seen some pictures showing 
what looks like an aluminum box over them.? In fact there is a bolt 
sticking up from the caps that can be used to hold down the shield 
covers.? Do you think these are necessary? My HQ-180 doesn't have them. 
Any opinions?


Thanks,


Steve

KC5WN



From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 05:44:33 2017
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 04:44:33 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Question about HQ-180
In-Reply-To: <e1fef5c4-dfde-b46c-bb60-79e2f6e307c8@newmexico.com>
References: <e1fef5c4-dfde-b46c-bb60-79e2f6e307c8@newmexico.com>
Message-ID: <CALWD7Z4LWvr8N3H1=u_n58x9129q=NxciFH86ZogA3OUT7eKuA@mail.gmail.com>

That shielding probably matters for stability and isolation.  I'd try
fabricating a replacement out of soft sheet metal, probably aluminum.

73
Rob
K5UJ

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Steve Wender <tobiebw2 at newmexico.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am about done bringing an HQ-180 back to life.  Because there seemed to be
> several versions on the alignment procedure, it took a while to figure it
> out.
>
> The question I have is about whether the two variable caps for the main
> tuning and bandspread are shielded.  I have seen some pictures showing what
> looks like an aluminum box over them.  In fact there is a bolt sticking up
> from the caps that can be used to hold down the shield covers.  Do you think
> these are necessary? My HQ-180 doesn't have them. Any opinions?

From hbrnut at suddenlink.net  Mon Sep 11 09:55:28 2017
From: hbrnut at suddenlink.net (WA5VGO)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 08:55:28 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Question about HQ-180
In-Reply-To: <e1fef5c4-dfde-b46c-bb60-79e2f6e307c8@newmexico.com>
References: <e1fef5c4-dfde-b46c-bb60-79e2f6e307c8@newmexico.com>
Message-ID: <8df4f6a6-8567-0503-8ac5-9a7797199ce5@suddenlink.net>

Hammarlund originally placed a plastic dust cover over the capacitors. 
They discovered that removing it improved stability so stopped using it. 
They also recommended that it be removed from receivers that had it.

Darrell


On 9/10/2017 8:16 PM, Steve Wender wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am about done bringing an HQ-180 back to life.? Because there seemed 
> to be several versions on the alignment procedure, it took a while to 
> figure it out.
>
> The question I have is about whether the two variable caps for the 
> main tuning and bandspread are shielded.? I have seen some pictures 
> showing what looks like an aluminum box over them.? In fact there is a 
> bolt sticking up from the caps that can be used to hold down the 
> shield covers.? Do you think these are necessary? My HQ-180 doesn't 
> have them. Any opinions?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Steve
>
> KC5WN
>
>
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From ron.k3pid at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 11 20:06:10 2017
From: ron.k3pid at sbcglobal.net (Ron.K3PID)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:06:10 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Question about HQ-180
In-Reply-To: <e1fef5c4-dfde-b46c-bb60-79e2f6e307c8@newmexico.com>
References: <e1fef5c4-dfde-b46c-bb60-79e2f6e307c8@newmexico.com>
Message-ID: <1D7D48294DC14033935B71AFD4B6693E@Zeus>

My 180 has plastic covers which I am told created a temperature drift issue 
so most users have removed them.


73 es Gud Luck!
Ron K3PID




From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 18 12:11:00 2017
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:11:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Babcock MT5-A & LW-51
References: <1442604345.4357792.1505751060250.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1442604345.4357792.1505751060250@mail.yahoo.com>

Well, got this little vintage transmitter going.  The info on the web you can find is for the MT5-B, but I opted to get the manual from Surplus Sales of NE.  I know folks have mixed opinions of this company, but, I have had all good luck with them.  They have a lot of manuals, many that nobody has, they make clear and sharp copies, and comes in a plastic binder, check them out if you have an odd piece of gear.  

The MT5-A is different than the B, and I was able to put this one back together and get it going.  The oscillator works as a Colpitts in 2 positions and a Pierce in the other two, and for some reason, a previous owner cut one turn off the oscillator plate coil, making it not come to resonance on 20 meters.  He also either replaced the tank coil for 80 and 40, and used link coupling with a piece of fabric covered wire, the only non-plastic wire in the unit,  or modified it in some other way, the schematic shows the tank tapped, not linked, and 20-10 meter tank coil is tapped..  I redid his 3 turn link, which had the cold end going to the output and the hot to ground, the math called for 4-6 turns to match a 52 ohm load at that diameter so put 5 on it with teflon wire,  and went from a couple watts to 28 out. It is the king of possible harmonic operation though.  The crystal selector is also the band switch.  You can operate 80 and 40 in position 1, 40 in position 2, 20-10 in position 3 and 4, but, in all positions you get multiple dips and it will tune up fine and radiate on a harmonic in a flash.  The manual tells you where the dial should be for the band of interest, and it is accurate.  It is carbon mic only, but puts a hefty amount of voltage on the mic circuit, and has some really clean sounding audio, even with a beat up T17 mic. The mic audio stage is balanced input and output to a pair of balanced input 6AQ5's, plate modulating a single 6146.  Ought to be fun to try on 10 meters when the band is open too.

I still need a picture of the top and bottom of the chassis if anybody else has one of these.  The plate tank circuit, and even the plate tune capacitor, while working as the manual describes, looks like it was all changed from the original.  I had to guess about the wiring of the oscillator tank and PA grid circuit by looking at the remains of clipped off components and wires underneath and putting the missing parts back in, as it logically seemed they would go.  If you even listen to the Old Friends Net on 3715, Tuesday mornings at 9AM or Sunday's at 4PM, you might hear this one in operation.  If anybody else has one, or intends to restore one, let me know.

I also got the LW -51 6 meter transmitter going, running it off of a Multi Elmac P2V power supply.  Another hard to find information about rig, I got the manual for it off a site called 'Ebaman', but this was apparently a later model with a couple differences.  Still don't know if this came with a bottom cover, there is no indication of it ever having one, or a way to attach it if it did.  I chased my tail on getting that one going.  I was using a crystal that works just fine in the Lafayette, Ameco, Gonset, Polytronics, and Heath Seneca 6 meter rigs, but the LW-51 didn't like it.  Could only get low drive and 5 watts, until I tried another crystal and realized how much time I had spent for nothing.  Well, trying to get a lot out of that one crystal had every thing optimized, so the new rock put the rig at it's best.   We also have a 6 meter AM net that meets down here on Tuesday nights at 8PM, 50.4MC. We have had as many as 16 checkins, but not so much lately. Heck, even six has people hooking a computer up and typing instead of actually hamming, if this keeps up, I'm going to model trains.  I sent an email to a fellow that has a site with info about the LW company, but it was 8 years old, haven't heard anything back, either it went to spam or he is dead.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From k4kyv at charter.net  Tue Sep 19 00:53:33 2017
From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:53:33 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Original FCC documents regarding AM power issue posted
Message-ID: <001801d33103$3f3ef5b0$bdbce110$@charter.net>

NPRM (the original 1982 proposal) and Report & Order (FCC's 1983 decision)
are now posted on QRZ.com website.  More documents to follow.

http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/am-power-issue-revisited.581553/ 

Informative history for more recent newcomers to the AM community, which
probably includes the majority of currently active AMers.

Essential information for those wishing to submit comments to ET Docket
17-215, the FCC's enquiry regarding removal of obsolete or unnecessary
technical rules.

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-80
0A1.pdf 


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From oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com  Tue Sep 19 16:03:13 2017
From: oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com (Robert Bethman)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:03:13 +0000
Subject: [AMRadio] Original FCC documents regarding AM power issue posted
In-Reply-To: <001801d33103$3f3ef5b0$bdbce110$@charter.net>
References: <001801d33103$3f3ef5b0$bdbce110$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR16MB008463745436496FBF0C7C0DA5600@BN6PR16MB0084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

All,

Links "should" be enclosed with the symbols < >.  Otherwise word wrap makes the link unusable.


<http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-80 0A1.pdf><http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-800A1.pdf>

This is what I had to do to get the document indicated.

Regards, N0DGN



On 9/19/2017 12:53 AM, Donald Chester wrote:

NPRM (the original 1982 proposal) and Report & Order (FCC's 1983 decision)
are now posted on QRZ.com website.  More documents to follow.

http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/am-power-issue-revisited.581553/

Informative history for more recent newcomers to the AM community, which
probably includes the majority of currently active AMers.

Essential information for those wishing to submit comments to ET Docket
17-215, the FCC's enquiry regarding removal of obsolete or unnecessary
technical rules.

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-80
0A1.pdf




From k4kyv at charter.net  Tue Sep 19 20:12:44 2017
From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:12:44 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Original FCC documents regarding AM power issue posted
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR16MB008463745436496FBF0C7C0DA5600@BN6PR16MB0084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001801d33103$3f3ef5b0$bdbce110$@charter.net>
	<BN6PR16MB008463745436496FBF0C7C0DA5600@BN6PR16MB0084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d331a5$2ebbc9a0$8c335ce0$@charter.net>

> All,
> 
> Links "should" be enclosed with the symbols < >.  Otherwise word wrap
> makes the link unusable.
> 
> 
> <http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-
> 17-80
> 0A1.pdf><http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0
> 901/DA-17-800A1.pdf>
> 
> This is what I had to do to get the document indicated.
> 
> Regards, N0DGN

I'll  try that.  I have always manually copied and pasted the url into the
address bar because of the annoying line break.  Let me re-post the message
in case someone is confused.

Don k4kyv



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From k4kyv at charter.net  Tue Sep 19 20:17:46 2017
From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:17:46 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Original FCC documents regarding AM power issue posted
Message-ID: <000e01d331a5$e2d65ae0$a88310a0$@charter.net>

NPRM (the original 1982 proposal),  Report & Order (FCC's 1983 decision) and
Petitions for Reconsideration are now posted on QRZ.com website.  More
documents to follow; this is a work in progress.

<http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/am-power-issue-revisited.581553/> 

Informative history for more recent newcomers to the AM community, which
probably includes the majority of currently active AMers, and essential
information for those wishing to submit comments to ET Docket 17-215, the
FCC's enquiry regarding removal of obsolete or unnecessary technical rules.

<http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-8
0
0A1.pdf>


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From k4kyv at charter.net  Tue Sep 19 20:25:55 2017
From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:25:55 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Original FCC documents regarding AM power issue posted
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR16MB008463745436496FBF0C7C0DA5600@BN6PR16MB0084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001801d33103$3f3ef5b0$bdbce110$@charter.net>
	<BN6PR16MB008463745436496FBF0C7C0DA5600@BN6PR16MB0084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001101d331a7$06683b30$1338b190$@charter.net>

I tried your suggestion when I re-posted the message with update.  The
second link  still didn't work; no hyperlink at all and tuned out a bigger
mess than before, fragmenting the url into THREE  lines.  

I've about given up trying to post links on this forum.

> -----Original Message-----
> All,
> 
> Links "should" be enclosed with the symbols < >.  Otherwise word wrap
> makes the link unusable.
> 
> 
> <http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-
> 17-80
> 0A1.pdf><http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0
> 901/DA-17-800A1.pdf>
> 
> This is what I had to do to get the document indicated.
> 
> Regards, N0DGN
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/19/2017 12:53 AM, Donald Chester wrote:
> 
> NPRM (the original 1982 proposal) and Report & Order (FCC's 1983 decision)
> are now posted on QRZ.com website.  More documents to follow.
> 
> http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/am-power-issue-
> revisited.581553/
> 
> Informative history for more recent newcomers to the AM community,
> which probably includes the majority of currently active AMers.
> 
> Essential information for those wishing to submit comments to ET Docket
17-
> 215, the FCC's enquiry regarding removal of obsolete or unnecessary
> technical rules.
> 
> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-
> 17-80
> 0A1.pdf
> 
> 
> 
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From edwmullin at aol.com  Tue Sep 19 20:28:46 2017
From: edwmullin at aol.com (Ed)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:28:46 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] Big resistors
Message-ID: <3515C19A-3CB6-4BE7-85D2-6FA2095C58E7@aol.com>

Hi All,

I have a supply of 5000ohm 50 watt resistors.  These are perfect for bleeders on your high voltage plate supplies.   Also the little clips that hold them down.    I have 30 or so beyond my needs. 10 make a good bleeder/voltage divider.  

$3 ea.  Plus postage. Up for trades for tubes,  any type used (except rectifiers) in the R390A, or 6146s. 

Please reply direct if interested. 

On another note,  regardless of the above,  I need a crystal for my Hallicrafters SR-46 to get on 50 meters. 25.2 MHz to get 50.4 out. HC-6U I think.  Can't seem to find crystals for love or money anymore. 

Or if you've got the Hallicrafters VFO for that rig, and would part with it, that could work too. 

VR,   Ed Mullin/KB1HYS



From w5jo at brightok.net  Tue Sep 19 21:25:45 2017
From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:25:45 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: Original FCC documents regarding AM power issue posted
Message-ID: <08A8150501264574AD39A8A9247B4378@JimPC>

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-800A1.pdf

see if this works



-----Original Message----- 


NPRM (the original 1982 proposal) and Report & Order (FCC's 1983 decision)
are now posted on QRZ.com website.  More documents to follow.

http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/am-power-issue-revisited.581553/

Informative history for more recent newcomers to the AM community, which
probably includes the majority of currently active AMers.

Essential information for those wishing to submit comments to ET Docket
17-215, the FCC's enquiry regarding removal of obsolete or unnecessary
technical rules.

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db0901/DA-17-80
0A1.pdf


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From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 22:02:04 2017
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:02:04 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Original FCC documents regarding AM power issue posted
In-Reply-To: <001101d331a7$06683b30$1338b190$@charter.net>
References: <001801d33103$3f3ef5b0$bdbce110$@charter.net>
	<BN6PR16MB008463745436496FBF0C7C0DA5600@BN6PR16MB0084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<001101d331a7$06683b30$1338b190$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CALWD7Z6UmQtg7-Z6NYyM0WCtg_NSf_S6t+-u=TG1TTuQF6kZ0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Some URLs are insane.  look at this one:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/longest-url-ever.12236/

To mange a tough URL in an email, try http://tinyurl.com  We sometimes
use that where I work.

73

Rob
K5UJ


On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:
> I tried your suggestion when I re-posted the message with update.  The
> second link  still didn't work; no hyperlink at all and tuned out a bigger
> mess than before, fragmenting the url into THREE  lines.
>
> I've about given up trying to post links on this forum.
>

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 22:30:17 2017
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:30:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] ARRL good report
References: <1759835171.5588660.1505874617752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1759835171.5588660.1505874617752@mail.yahoo.com>

Don't know if you ever have emailed the tech staff at the League, but they are pretty good at answering those questions you might have after you have given up on a troubleshooting project.? The MT5-A xmitter I sent the email about, I had a question about tapped output versus linked output, and also said I had no idea what this rig looked like originally since I had no pictures.? After I had scoured the internet chasing leads for about a year,? Zack Lau found some pix by the next day and sent them to me, and as the saying goes, one pic is worth a thousand words.? This is both bad and good, since now that I have the pix, I also see what a hack job was done to the 40/80 tank circuit.? In the 'heart failure 101' class, the 40/80 output tank is a Miniductor #3016, the online search brought up a site that claims to be B&W and sells B&W Miniductors.? The online B&W site had the coil at the bargain price of $100.? Sorry MT5, you ain't getting a new coil.? Not sure if it is really B&W or somebody using their moniker because Surp Sales of NE has on their site that they bought all of the B&W inventory when they closed.??? But, Surp. Sales of NE did not even list a #3016 but did have a NOS #3020 which is the same 32 TPI and wire size but in a 1 1/4" diameter, for only 15 bucks, that is quite reasonable.? Break out the GDO and find some tap points

Charlie W4MEC in NC

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 10:21:32 2017
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:21:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Dayton info from the CCA this morning
References: <1731880654.7338128.1506090092420.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1731880654.7338128.1506090092420@mail.yahoo.com>

This would probably be good info to pass on to others, it will surely effect all motels, not just the one mentioned:
FYI... I just spoke with the red lion Inn in Dayton. This is the old Fairborn North where many of us stay. There are only 14 standard rooms left as of this date. There is a huge dedication going on at the Air Force Base the same weekend and rooms are filling up fast. Prices have gone through the roof so be sure and mention that you are a Collins Collector which may help.? For those of you that hesitated last year because of the new venue the entire weekend turned out great except for the usual downpours.? Dayton 2018 should be even better. 

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 25 15:13:58 2017
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 19:13:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Flip side of ARRL good report
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Maybe he is out of town, or has me blocked as an emailer after my last discussion with him, but the 'Regulatory and Advocacy' fellow at the League did not comment on what I asked last week.? With the announcement of the FCC going to look over all it's rules and regs and weed out the archaic ones,? I asked if the ARRL, this time, would put it in simple words, that the ARRL supports the continued operation of AM on the ham bands.? No mode by bandwidth smoke screen, just a simple statement.? Hopefully they will not weasel word their support of AM this time.
My previous email exchanges had to do with wanting a copy of the ARRL comment to the FCC about the new VLF bands.? To paraphrase, I was told to go the FCC website and look it up.Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From k4kyv at charter.net  Mon Sep 25 17:13:32 2017
From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:13:32 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Flip side of ARRL good report
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> Maybe he is out of town, or has me blocked as an emailer after my last
> discussion with him, but the 'Regulatory and Advocacy' fellow at the League
> did not comment on what I asked last week.  With the announcement of the
> FCC going to look over all its rules and regs and weed out the archaic ones,  I
> asked if the ARRL, this time, would put it in simple words, that the ARRL
> supports the continued operation of AM on the ham bands.  No mode by
> bandwidth smoke screen, just a simple statement.  Hopefully they will not
> weasel word their support of AM this time.


> Charlie, W4MEC in NC

I'm not  sure that would accomplish anything.  In fact, it might be  counterproductive by suggesting the possibility that AM should NOT be continued.

I would recommend instead to use this as an opportunity to revisit the AM power issue.  For a narrative of the entire 1982-1991 proceeding at the FCC, go to
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/am-power-issue-revisited.581553/

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From wb6orz at comcast.net  Mon Sep 25 18:36:40 2017
From: wb6orz at comcast.net (Leslie)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 22:36:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Flip side of ARRL good report
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> Maybe he is out of town, or has me blocked as an emailer after my last
> discussion with him, but the 'Regulatory and Advocacy' fellow at the League
> did not comment on what I asked last week.  With the announcement of the
> FCC going to look over all its rules and regs and weed out the archaic ones,  I
> asked if the ARRL, this time, would put it in simple words, that the ARRL
> supports the continued operation of AM on the ham bands.  No mode by
> bandwidth smoke screen, just a simple statement.  Hopefully they will not
> weasel word their support of AM this time.


> Charlie, W4MEC in NC

I'm not  sure that would accomplish anything.  In fact, it might be  counterproductive by suggesting the possibility that AM should NOT be continued.

I would recommend instead to use this as an opportunity to revisit the AM power issue.  For a narrative of the entire 1982-1991 proceeding at the FCC, go to
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/am-power-issue-revisited.581553/

YOU MAY HAVE TO COPY THE ABOVE URL IN FULL AND PASTE IT INTO THE ADDRESS BAR OF YOUR BROWSER, SINCE THIS  FORUM OFTEN RENDERS URLS UNUSABLE DUE TO SPORADIC LINE BREAKS


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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 22:13:21 2017
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 02:13:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Revisit
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Not sure what a revisit to the AM power issue would accomplish since it is history, I visited there when it wasn't.  The amount of traffic generated here and other places during the last brouhaha over the ARRL's vagueness in their true desires with the bandwidth/mode issue and an understanding or misunderstanding on their ultimate goal, could be easily avoided if they would be clear, and hopefully not continue their perceived dislike of AM.  Seems that in  their current universe, anything that does not use a computer to communicate may face a challenge.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From k4kyv at charter.net  Sat Sep 30 01:41:41 2017
From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 00:41:41 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Revisit
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> Charlie, W4MEC in NC wrote:
> Not sure what a revisit to the AM power issue would accomplish since 
> it is history, I visited there when it wasn't.

This is history that shouldn't be allowed to fade away; the FCC's on-line
achieves go back only to 1982.  The present-day Commissioners and  staff,
let alone the majority of  to-day's amateurs, would unlikely have knowledge
of this saga or access to its history, except by laboriously digging through
dusty paper files somewhere, which may no longer even exist. 

The Technical Advisory enquiry might be a good opportunity to refresh
memories and re-expose this shameful and inexcusably fraudulent history ,
which with the passing of time is rapidly fading from memory.
 

Don k4kyv


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From w2xj at w2xj.net  Sat Sep 30 01:50:40 2017
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2XJ)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 05:50:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Revisit
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		Amateur radio is both experimental and ad-hock. Prohibiting a specific mode is counter to the culture. This is why I no longer support ARRL.?
		

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> Charlie, W4MEC in NC wrote:
> Not sure what a revisit to the AM power issue would accomplish since 
> it is history, I visited there when it wasn't.

This is history that shouldn't be allowed to fade away; the FCC's on-line
achieves go back only to 1982.  The present-day Commissioners and  staff,
let alone the majority of  to-day's amateurs, would unlikely have knowledge
of this saga or access to its history, except by laboriously digging through
dusty paper files somewhere, which may no longer even exist. 

The Technical Advisory enquiry might be a good opportunity to refresh
memories and re-expose this shameful and inexcusably fraudulent history ,
which with the passing of time is rapidly fading from memory.
 

Don k4kyv


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From dburlew at nmax.net  Sat Sep 30 08:30:42 2017
From: dburlew at nmax.net (Douglas Burlew)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:30:42 -0400
Subject: [AMRadio] Revisit
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After re-reading the FCC?s rationale for the change in power measurement for the Amateur Radio Service (graciously 
provided by K4KYV) the conclusion is they made a weak argument that has not aged well. So, there may be a glimmer
of hope.

Doug W3DBB

