From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com  Thu Feb  2 10:14:21 2012
From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 10:14:21 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] perforated aluminum sheet
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I did find some at Home Depo, not quite the old single hole stuff, but close 
and thin.  However, that stuff was $38 for a 30 x 30 inch sheet. $6 per sq 
ft!!!! The local hardware has 1/4 in square hardware cloth, they called it 
rabbit pen cloth. It is $0.35 per sq ft.  Not as pretty but it will keep 
your fingers out of the hot stuff, provide RFI shielding and let plenty of 
air through.  The option seems to be use nothing, that is what I typically 
do, or use the hardware cloth.  Anyone find the old stuff?  Bernie 


From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 10:23:34 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:23:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] perforated aluminum sheet
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Message-ID: <1328196214.79392.YahooMailClassic@web38008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I found the best source for that at a scrap metal/recycling house.? They also have end of run stock at near scrap prices.? Most sell it by the sheet or by the pound.? I built several amplifiers and a wine storage/cooler out of it.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Bernie Doran <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Bernie Doran <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] perforated aluminum sheet
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 7:14 AM

I did find some at Home Depo, not quite the old single hole stuff, but close 
and thin.? However, that stuff was $38 for a 30 x 30 inch sheet. $6 per sq 
ft!!!! The local hardware has 1/4 in square hardware cloth, they called it 
rabbit pen cloth. It is $0.35 per sq ft.? Not as pretty but it will keep 
your fingers out of the hot stuff, provide RFI shielding and let plenty of 
air through.? The option seems to be use nothing, that is what I typically 
do, or use the hardware cloth.? Anyone find the old stuff?? Bernie 

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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 10:41:54 2012
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:41:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
Message-ID: <1328197314.33559.YahooMailClassic@web161205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I have 2 of these old speakers, one I picked up in the 60's another given to me in the late 70's.  Both of them work and sound exactly alike. Feeding it with the proper input Z,  they are very 'tinny', no bass response at all.  They are supposedly a 300 - 7 Khz  speaker, but was wondering if that hard cone kills all the base.  So, anybody that has one, do they sound as freq. restricted to you as me? Or do I have to bad speakers?  Nice to use on CW, they are almost an audio filter, but on AM, audio quality is not good, but I think the way it sounds would be a plus in a very loud environment.

Charlie W4MEC in NC

From tony at k1ajd.net  Thu Feb  2 10:55:21 2012
From: tony at k1ajd.net (Tony Dangelo)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:55:21 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
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I believe that speaker was used with the AN/GRC 106, I spent many, many 
hours listening to SSB / CW / AM with that speaker during the late 
seventies and throughout the eighties.  If memory serves me correctly it 
was an excellent speaker for copying CW but left a lot too be desired 
when copying SSB or AM I do remember the tinniness that you are 
referencing as being the annoyance.

Tony - K1AJD





On 02/02/2012 10:41 AM, CL in NC wrote:
> I have 2 of these old speakers, one I picked up in the 60's another given to me in the late 70's.  Both of them work and sound exactly alike. Feeding it with the proper input Z,  they are very 'tinny', no bass response at all.  They are supposedly a 300 - 7 Khz  speaker, but was wondering if that hard cone kills all the base.  So, anybody that has one, do they sound as freq. restricted to you as me? Or do I have to bad speakers?  Nice to use on CW, they are almost an audio filter, but on AM, audio quality is not good, but I think the way it sounds would be a plus in a very loud environment.
>
> Charlie W4MEC in NC
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From rbethman at comcast.net  Thu Feb  2 11:01:57 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:01:57 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
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Charlie,

That's precisely as crappy as they ever sounded as new.

You indeed could hear them on the move in the old M-151A1 Jeep, but they 
were never intended to be high fidelity.

The AN/GRC-46 didn't sound worth a tinker's darn, and the microphones 
were about worth the blasting cap to blow them apart.

Think in terms of the old PRC-25 or PRC-77.  Sounds just alike.

All we were supposed to do was communicate.  Getting the coordinates 
correct for a fire mission was necessary, sound great didn't matter.

Bob - N0DGN

On 2/2/2012 10:41 AM, CL in NC wrote:
> I have 2 of these old speakers, one I picked up in the 60's another given to me in the late 70's.  Both of them work and sound exactly alike. Feeding it with the proper input Z,  they are very 'tinny', no bass response at all.  They are supposedly a 300 - 7 Khz  speaker, but was wondering if that hard cone kills all the base.  So, anybody that has one, do they sound as freq. restricted to you as me? Or do I have to bad speakers?  Nice to use on CW, they are almost an audio filter, but on AM, audio quality is not good, but I think the way it sounds would be a plus in a very loud environment.
>
> Charlie W4MEC in NC
>

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 12:19:17 2012
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:19:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
Message-ID: <1328203157.36052.YahooMailClassic@web161203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the input.  Guess I do have 2 good but lousy for comfortable voice listening speakers.  But, I can see how they might be a plus when you have a 105 or two going off in the background.  You could still hear your next direction while your ears were ringing.

Charlie

From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Thu Feb  2 12:23:22 2012
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:23:22 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] perforated aluminum sheet
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ask for expansion steel.

Rob
K5UJ

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Mel Farrer <farrerfolks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I found the best source for that at a scrap metal/recycling house.? They also have end of run stock at near scrap prices.? Most sell it by the sheet or by the pound.? I built several amplifiers and a wine storage/cooler out of it.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>
> --- On Thu, 2/2/12, Bernie Doran <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Bernie Doran <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] perforated aluminum sheet
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 7:14 AM
>
> I did find some at Home Depo, not quite the old single hole stuff, but close
> and thin.? However, that stuff was $38 for a 30 x 30 inch sheet. $6 per sq
> ft!!!! The local hardware has 1/4 in square hardware cloth, they called it
> rabbit pen cloth. It is $0.35 per sq ft.? Not as pretty but it will keep
> your fingers out of the hot stuff, provide RFI shielding and let plenty of
> air through.? The option seems to be use nothing, that is what I typically
> do, or use the hardware cloth.? Anyone find the old stuff?? Bernie
>
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From k4kyv at charter.net  Thu Feb  2 21:13:06 2012
From: k4kyv at charter.net (D. Chester)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:13:06 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Roundtables and fast break-in
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>  In fact, a little common
> sense goes a long way... if you're operating AM, and you're producing a
> Carrier, there should also be no reason to say 'over', or 'back to you',
> 'go ahead', etc... unless you're talking to more than one person, and
> then "go ahead ..x.." where X is the person you are turning it to in the
> round table.

It depends.  If you are in a fast break-in QSO what you said is true.  But 
unless it is specifically understood by everyone in a QSO that fast break-in 
is being used, it is best to say 'over', 'go ahead'  or give one's callsign 
at the end of a transmission instead of just abruptly dropping the carrier. 
I can't recall the number of times I have been in a one-on-one QSO and the 
other station would make a rather lengthy transmission then suddenly 
disappear without warning.  I wasn't sure if he turned it back to me,  had 
rig failure or if propagation had abruptly changed.

Don k4kyv



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From k4kyv at charter.net  Thu Feb  2 21:31:46 2012
From: k4kyv at charter.net (D. Chester)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:31:46 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 96, Issue 65
References: <mailman.45147.1327939396.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] watch what you say


> Todd makes very good points here.
>
> Along with this, the direction of back and forth Rag Chews shouldn't get
> into politics, religion, and now we really ought to reconsider a
> significant portion of social commentary.
>
> This really isn't what we are about.

Maybe that's true in a  roundtable or group in which some of  the 
participants might not be interested in the topic.  But in a one-on-one QSO 
or small group,  I feel no obligation to limit the discussion to trivial 
comments about the weather, the rig, how many years we have been a  ham, 
with plenty of HI HI FB OMs thrown in. If the other op and myself feel  like 
discussing any topic on the face of the earth, including politics, world 
events, religion or social issues, we should feel free to do so, although 
hopefully we would try to keep it in good taste.  If non-participating 
listeners who happen to tune into the QSO don't like what they hear us 
talking about, that's their problem and not ours, and that's what the tuning 
dial on the receiver is for.

Don k4kyv
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From k4kyv at charter.net  Thu Feb  2 21:46:08 2012
From: k4kyv at charter.net (D. Chester)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:46:08 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Trimming Posts
References: <mailman.45211.1327950745.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4A1EDF67C7D34FCD8BE407261D62AB3F@D65Y8B21>

> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>

>> The issue with trimming posts may be partly due to some webmail like
>> gmail suppressing previously sent included text so you only see the
>> currently written part of the mail--the trailing quoted stuff is only
>> seen if you click on a "show quoted text" button.
>
> That only happens after it's sent. In responding, it brings up the
> entire text, allowing you to clip what you want to save, then
> highlight and delete the remainder.
>
> It's purely habit. I've gotten nailed myself a couple times in the
> last year due to multitasking and being in a hurry, which caused me to
> send a response before deleting the excess.

Another common error for those of us who subscribe in Digest mode is 
forgetting to fill in the subject line with the topic of the message. 
Instead, the subject line by default reads something like "Re: AMRadio 
Digest, Vol 96, Issue 67". I am frequently guilty of that myself, and 
usually don't catch it until I scan through the message in the "Sent" folder 
and it's too late by then.

Don k4kyv
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From Ka9p at aol.com  Thu Feb  2 21:56:25 2012
From: Ka9p at aol.com (Ka9p at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 21:56:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
Message-ID: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>

Seems the best place to ask, I hope.
 
I've got an old 32v that is a wreck, and clearly had been stored someplace  
where there was lots of humidty.
 
I figure the poor old girl had something seriously wrong to have been left  
the way she was, and she's clearly not restorable.
 
But the question is about the old iron.  Other than what may have been  her 
original demise are the odds reasonable that if I go to the hassle of  
recovering the transformers that they will be ok, or is protracted unfortunate,  
storage more likely than not to render that stuff unuseable?
 
And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to  
condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Scott 

From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Thu Feb  2 22:00:58 2012
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 19:00:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
In-Reply-To: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
References: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
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I had real good luck with drying out drenched transformers when I lived in Ohio.
I simply left them in the attic - a very, very hot and dry place - for the duration of the summer.
Several big power transformers and mod trans hipotted OK.
It just took several months

de KA4JVY
Mark




>________________________________
> From: "Ka9p at aol.com" <Ka9p at aol.com>
>To: amradio at mailman.qth.net 
>Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 9:56 PM
>Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
> 
>Seems the best place to ask, I hope.
>
>I've got an old 32v that is a wreck, and clearly had been stored someplace? 
>where there was lots of humidty.
>
>I figure the poor old girl had something seriously wrong to have been left? 
>the way she was, and she's clearly not restorable.
>
>But the question is about the old iron.? Other than what may have been? her 
>original demise are the odds reasonable that if I go to the hassle of? 
>recovering the transformers that they will be ok, or is protracted unfortunate,? 
>storage more likely than not to render that stuff unuseable?
>
>And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to? 
>condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?
>
>Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>Scott 
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From w3slk at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 22:12:36 2012
From: w3slk at verizon.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:12:36 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
References: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C2FDF86A09F0495CACEB6466807F8F90@FAMILY>



But the question is about the old iron.  Other than what may have been  her
original demise are the odds reasonable that if I go to the hassle of
recovering the transformers that they will be ok, or is protracted 
unfortunate,
storage more likely than not to render that stuff unuseable?

And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to
condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Scott
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I know a lot of people will say slow drying in the proverbial 'kitchen oven' 
at 200~300? F. What might be a better place is a welding oven that is used 
to dry welding rods for 'code' welds. We have a number of them at our work 
place. If you know someone that welds, stuff it in there for a while. It 
can't hurt it any worse than it already is. Then perform a HI-Pot test to 
make sure you have proper insulation between windings. If you attempt to 
plug it in prior to drying, you may make irreparable damage to it.
Good luck.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK 



From cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb  3 00:01:58 2012
From: cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net (Kim Elmore)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:01:58 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
In-Reply-To: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
References: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <339597.49175.qm@smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think it depends a bit. Was the thing left out essentially under 
water? Are the transformers so rusty that they're barely identifiable?

HV transformers and some larger modulation transformers are usually 
well-permeated with a varnish-like substance  and/or potted with a 
tar-like stuff. If so, they are probably OK after careful and thorough drying.

To insure they are dry, someone suggested they be left in the attic 
over the Summer -- an excellent idea. Then, find someone with a 
hi-pot tester and test the transformer for any obvious problems. If 
it passes that, put it on a variac and bring up the voltage. If there 
are no shorted turns, you're about as good to go as you can be.

N5OP

At 08:56 PM 2/2/2012, you wrote:
>Seems the best place to ask, I hope.
>
>I've got an old 32v that is a wreck, and clearly had been stored someplace
>where there was lots of humidty.
>
>I figure the poor old girl had something seriously wrong to have been left
>the way she was, and she's clearly not restorable.
>
>But the question is about the old iron.  Other than what may have been  her
>original demise are the odds reasonable that if I go to the hassle of
>recovering the transformers that they will be ok, or is protracted 
>unfortunate,
>storage more likely than not to render that stuff unuseable?
>
>And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to
>condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?
>
>Thanks for your thoughts.
>
>Scott
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From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 00:18:21 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 00:18:21 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Roundtables and fast break-in
In-Reply-To: <E3BBBF42BEF84B47AC5650DCA2B21A45@D65Y8B21>
References: <mailman.45147.1327939396.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
	<E3BBBF42BEF84B47AC5650DCA2B21A45@D65Y8B21>
Message-ID: <CANCs6AUpTRwEkq+QZBxdWnjffC62EX5DYz07=5F6SZnxc-fjWw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:13 PM, D. Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:

> I can't recall the number of times I have been in a one-on-one QSO and the
> other station would make a rather lengthy transmission then suddenly
> disappear without warning. ?I wasn't sure if he turned it back to me, ?had
> rig failure or if propagation had abruptly changed.

I've always seen it more as a courtesy since we sometimes go on for a
spell responding to what others have said. More of a 'here it comes'
warning. There have been more than a few times I was across the garage
or in a nearby room looking for something or working on something,
thinking I had a couple minutes before it got back to me. Next thing
ya know, boom - there it is.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 00:25:00 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 00:25:00 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
In-Reply-To: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
References: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CANCs6AVB2N2-s5BazPp=vm9Jpb_iGXJi93yFVSLAf7sOqAL3tw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM,  <Ka9p at aol.com> wrote:

> And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to
> condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?

Covered well by other folks. As Kim said, knowing whether they were
just stored in an unheated storage area or actually wet matters a bit.
Barring any visible corrosion problems with the windings, a nice, slow
bake should dry things out well. Be patient.

One thing to keep in mind is that the 32V series is notorious for
losing its LV transformer. A lot going on with that one piece of iron,
and a blazng hot 5Z4 rectifier half an inch away. Don't be surprised
if it's toast or zorches early on. The good news is, Gary WZ1M can
rewind it for you so you won't have any more problems.

Good luck with it. Just spoke with a fellow in NY a few nights back
who was successful in reviving a similar example.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From wa1qix at piesky.com  Fri Feb  3 06:08:16 2012
From: wa1qix at piesky.com (Steve WA1QIX)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:08:16 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Roundtables and fast break-in
In-Reply-To: <E3BBBF42BEF84B47AC5650DCA2B21A45@D65Y8B21>
References: <mailman.45147.1327939396.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20120203060409.0548fb88@10.0.0.8>

At 08:13 PM 2/2/2012 -0600, you wrote:
> >  In fact, a little common
> > sense goes a long way... if you're operating AM, and you're producing a
> > Carrier, there should also be no reason to say 'over', or 'back to you',
> > 'go ahead', etc... unless you're talking to more than one person, and
> > then "go ahead ..x.." where X is the person you are turning it to in the
> > round table.

Hmmmmmmmmm... I'm not sure about that.  I much prefer to have someone say 
"ok, back to you" or "over" or some acknowledgement that person with whom I 
am communicating is turning it back to me and didn't have a transmitter, 
antenna, propagation or some other failure or unscheduled 
interruption.  Sometimes it is obvious, depending on the context or nature 
of the contact, but most times this is not necessarily so.  Just my 
opinion, of course!


From collinsradio at comcast.net  Fri Feb  3 07:18:55 2012
From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 07:18:55 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
References: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
	<CANCs6AVB2N2-s5BazPp=vm9Jpb_iGXJi93yFVSLAf7sOqAL3tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92EF47D14A7C4761BC03935A7ECDF7C1@KNEPPER>

The loss of the low voltage transformer can be traced to leaky bypass caps 
on the screen of the 4D32.  Also reducing the line voltage helps 
considerably.  That little transformer as Todd points out is the weak link 
in the 32V.  If it is warm to the touch, it is only a matter of time when it 
fails.  I have been lucky so far in three of my 32V unit but one never 
knows.  Some folks will reduce the strain on the transformer by using 
solid-state rectifiers and lifting out the 807 modulator tubes if they are 
using the transmitter on CW.

There was an article on this subject in an earlier Collins Journal.

Replacing the low voltage transformer with a new one can cost you big bucks, 
unfortunately.

But, Gary can do the job for you.

David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Iron


> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM,  <Ka9p at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to
>> condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?
>
> Covered well by other folks. As Kim said, knowing whether they were
> just stored in an unheated storage area or actually wet matters a bit.
> Barring any visible corrosion problems with the windings, a nice, slow
> bake should dry things out well. Be patient.
>
> One thing to keep in mind is that the 32V series is notorious for
> losing its LV transformer. A lot going on with that one piece of iron,
> and a blazng hot 5Z4 rectifier half an inch away. Don't be surprised
> if it's toast or zorches early on. The good news is, Gary WZ1M can
> rewind it for you so you won't have any more problems.
>
> Good luck with it. Just spoke with a fellow in NY a few nights back
> who was successful in reviving a similar example.
>
> ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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From ken.sands at cavtel.net  Fri Feb  3 09:35:44 2012
From: ken.sands at cavtel.net (Ken Sands)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:35:44 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 96, Issue 65
In-Reply-To: <BF83FD70D64D4F6E8D65E55C325905D6@D65Y8B21>
References: <mailman.45147.1327939396.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
	<BF83FD70D64D4F6E8D65E55C325905D6@D65Y8B21>
Message-ID: <CACbdbLrmusfEdS+Uf32_EppZL2OQ7URe7eA1dcZeNgHQ60Wy0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am with you 10000000% Don.  I am a PRO LIFE believer in our Fathers law
to not kill, especially His unborn babies!!!! And I will share that on the
air with anyone wishing to talk with me.

Ken K8TFD

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:31 PM, D. Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] watch what you say
>
>
> > Todd makes very good points here.
> >
> > Along with this, the direction of back and forth Rag Chews shouldn't get
> > into politics, religion, and now we really ought to reconsider a
> > significant portion of social commentary.
> >
> > This really isn't what we are about.
>
> Maybe that's true in a  roundtable or group in which some of  the
> participants might not be interested in the topic.  But in a one-on-one QSO
> or small group,  I feel no obligation to limit the discussion to trivial
> comments about the weather, the rig, how many years we have been a  ham,
> with plenty of HI HI FB OMs thrown in. If the other op and myself feel
>  like
> discussing any topic on the face of the earth, including politics, world
> events, religion or social issues, we should feel free to do so, although
> hopefully we would try to keep it in good taste.  If non-participating
> listeners who happen to tune into the QSO don't like what they hear us
> talking about, that's their problem and not ours, and that's what the
> tuning
> dial on the receiver is for.
>
> Don k4kyv
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout.
>
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From w5jo at brightok.net  Fri Feb  3 09:45:57 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:45:57 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Politics, Religion on AM Radio
Message-ID: <6E6404FB7BCE453CBAAD4914A6150978@JimPC>

Ladies and Gentlemen,

We are right on the line of good taste discussing these topics on the 
board.  If you discuss them on the air, there is a tuning dial to change 
frequency.  Here there isn't, so lets us not get into particular topics. 
Since the English language has so many meanings for the same word it is 
easy for us to mis-interpert the intent of the writer.

So lets avoid discussing them in specific please.  This can cause many 
people to leave and we need the technical knowledge to stay around for 
when we have questions about equipment.

Jim/W5JO
Moderator 


From rbethman at comcast.net  Fri Feb  3 11:30:09 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:30:09 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
In-Reply-To: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
References: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F2C0B91.3070707@comcast.net>

Even new iron gets subjected to such soaking or drenching.

We got a new 1.5MW generator shipped to us by "Bluestreak".  That's 
military designation for top priority.  At least it was then.

Some wonder of the world at Hickam AFB, Honolulu, HI, left it outside 
the shipping hangar during rainy season.

When it finally got to us in the South Pacific, we knew it wasn't ready 
for prime time.

We got it into place inside the generator enclosure, and rigged up over 
a dozen flood lamps.  We baked it 24/7 for over a month.  It got 
meggered several times.  Finally we had enough data to begin performing 
a few Hi-Pot tests.

Finally it passed.

It is always a crap shoot.  Time and TLC can work.  There are those 
instances where no matter what you do, there is no bringing a particular 
piece back.

Take all the advice, try what you can out of everything said, and see if 
it will work.

Obviously, YMMV, and it isn't always possible to get hold of a Hi-Pot.  
Nor are they for the use of the faint of heart, nor without adequate 
expertise.

Bob - N0DGN

On 2/2/2012 9:56 PM, Ka9p at aol.com wrote:
> Seems the best place to ask, I hope.
>
> I've got an old 32v that is a wreck, and clearly had been stored someplace
> where there was lots of humidty.
>
> I figure the poor old girl had something seriously wrong to have been left
> the way she was, and she's clearly not restorable.
>
> But the question is about the old iron.  Other than what may have been  her
> original demise are the odds reasonable that if I go to the hassle of
> recovering the transformers that they will be ok, or is protracted unfortunate,
> storage more likely than not to render that stuff unuseable?
>
> And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to
> condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Scott

From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 11:48:05 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:48:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
In-Reply-To: <4F2C0B91.3070707@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good story,? I have not worked on the 32V, but have had to save several expensive pieces of electronic equipment that were recovered from ship wrecks.? Other than the obvious corrosion eaten small wires and PCB traces it was worth trying to recover them.? We always did the flush and bake regiment.? Putting the piece in fresh water and allow a continual flush of clean water then baking at 120 degrees in a oven then while it is still hot, painting all of the iron with thinned marine varnish and spraying all of the PCB material with Kylon clear worked about half the time.? The fresh water is only necessary if it has been submerged in salt water, obviously.? The real problem with long term high humidity on unprotected equipment is the level of penetration the corrosion has gone.? Worse case is warm climate and High moisture.? The main thing is to be prepared for a long recovery effort. SLOW and careful is the motto and that you are probably going to
 be successful only about 50% of the time.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Fri, 2/3/12, rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net> wrote:

From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 8:30 AM

Even new iron gets subjected to such soaking or drenching.

We got a new 1.5MW generator shipped to us by "Bluestreak".? That's 
military designation for top priority.? At least it was then.

Some wonder of the world at Hickam AFB, Honolulu, HI, left it outside 
the shipping hangar during rainy season.

When it finally got to us in the South Pacific, we knew it wasn't ready 
for prime time.

We got it into place inside the generator enclosure, and rigged up over 
a dozen flood lamps.? We baked it 24/7 for over a month.? It got 
meggered several times.? Finally we had enough data to begin performing 
a few Hi-Pot tests.

Finally it passed.

It is always a crap shoot.? Time and TLC can work.? There are those 
instances where no matter what you do, there is no bringing a particular 
piece back.

Take all the advice, try what you can out of everything said, and see if 
it will work.

Obviously, YMMV, and it isn't always possible to get hold of a Hi-Pot.? 
Nor are they for the use of the faint of heart, nor without adequate 
expertise.

Bob - N0DGN

On 2/2/2012 9:56 PM, Ka9p at aol.com wrote:
> Seems the best place to ask, I hope.
>
> I've got an old 32v that is a wreck, and clearly had been stored someplace
> where there was lots of humidty.
>
> I figure the poor old girl had something seriously wrong to have been left
> the way she was, and she's clearly not restorable.
>
> But the question is about the old iron.? Other than what may have been? her
> original demise are the odds reasonable that if I go to the hassle of
> recovering the transformers that they will be ok, or is protracted unfortunate,
> storage more likely than not to render that stuff unuseable?
>
> And is there any process you go through under these circumstances to
> condition the hardware before you start to test it under load?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Scott
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From rbethman at comcast.net  Fri Feb  3 12:02:39 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:02:39 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
In-Reply-To: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F2C132F.1030107@comcast.net>

This one was very obviously fresh water.  Lift from crate by forklift, 
and watch water pour out.

I've only been on the receiving end of a salt water drenching recovery.

When slinging a Hawk OC van from the ship to the dock, they managed a 
Grace move.  They dropped it in the water.

They rinsed it with fresh water and dried it by unknown means.

We were operating it several years afterward.  We never knew when, but 
on an infrequent basis we'd throw a switch and smoke wafted out of the 
electronics.

Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling - not!

Bob - N0DGN

On 2/3/2012 11:48 AM, Mel Farrer wrote:
> Good story,  I have not worked on the 32V, but have had to save several expensive pieces of electronic equipment that were recovered from ship wrecks.  Other than the obvious corrosion eaten small wires and PCB traces it was worth trying to recover them.  We always did the flush and bake regiment.  Putting the piece in fresh water and allow a continual flush of clean water then baking at 120 degrees in a oven then while it is still hot, painting all of the iron with thinned marine varnish and spraying all of the PCB material with Kylon clear worked about half the time.  The fresh water is only necessary if it has been submerged in salt water, obviously.  The real problem with long term high humidity on unprotected equipment is the level of penetration the corrosion has gone.  Worse case is warm climate and High moisture.  The main thing is to be prepared for a long recovery effort. SLOW and careful is the motto and that you are probably going to
>   be successful only about 50% of the time.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>


From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 12:16:07 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:16:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
In-Reply-To: <4F2C132F.1030107@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1328289367.36758.YahooMailClassic@web38001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you have not seen the video clips of hams restoring a BC transmitter with a hose and 409 you have a interesting treat to watch.? I did the same with my Bauer 707 two years ago in the summer.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Fri, 2/3/12, rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net> wrote:

From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 9:02 AM

This one was very obviously fresh water.? Lift from crate by forklift, 
and watch water pour out.

I've only been on the receiving end of a salt water drenching recovery.

When slinging a Hawk OC van from the ship to the dock, they managed a 
Grace move.? They dropped it in the water.

They rinsed it with fresh water and dried it by unknown means.

We were operating it several years afterward.? We never knew when, but 
on an infrequent basis we'd throw a switch and smoke wafted out of the 
electronics.

Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling - not!

Bob - N0DGN

On 2/3/2012 11:48 AM, Mel Farrer wrote:
> Good story,? I have not worked on the 32V, but have had to save several expensive pieces of electronic equipment that were recovered from ship wrecks.? Other than the obvious corrosion eaten small wires and PCB traces it was worth trying to recover them.? We always did the flush and bake regiment.? Putting the piece in fresh water and allow a continual flush of clean water then baking at 120 degrees in a oven then while it is still hot, painting all of the iron with thinned marine varnish and spraying all of the PCB material with Kylon clear worked about half the time.? The fresh water is only necessary if it has been submerged in salt water, obviously.? The real problem with long term high humidity on unprotected equipment is the level of penetration the corrosion has gone.? Worse case is warm climate and High moisture.? The main thing is to be prepared for a long recovery effort. SLOW and careful is the motto and that you are probably going
 to
>???be successful only about 50% of the time.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>

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From rbethman at comcast.net  Fri Feb  3 13:01:47 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:01:47 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] OT - Cleaning Equipment
In-Reply-To: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F2C210B.20101@comcast.net>

Sometimes one ends up getting involved in cleaning for other reasons.

I was involved in the cleanup of Enewetak Atoll.  The reason behind it 
all was to be able to allow the Marshallese people to be returned to 
their home.

This had been where a whole bunch of Nuclear testing was done.

I was standing in line for chow at the Dining Facility.  (Most of us Old 
Goats always knew them as Mess Halls.  The name change was toward the 
beginning of being PC.)

I observed the USAF Radiation/Radioactive Remediation Team hosing down 
their vehicles right in front of the Dining Facility.

Wrote a long letter to the DNA, (Defense Nuclear Agency), Commander whom 
was  Bird Colonel.

The letter was duplicated and passed around the table for the big weekly 
conference/briefing.

The core of my letter was to bring attention to the fact that they were 
washing off the vehicles that were contaminated with alpha particles.

Okay, BUT - I was questioning the wisdom in doing this within several 
feet of where we would Charcoal Grill our weekly steaks.

Colonel brought my points up and asked if I - 1) knew what I was talking 
about.  The answer came back - Yes!

2) Since I was indeed correct, WHY are we doing this?  Isn't this a 
valid concern?  How do we change what is being done?

I had stirred a hornet's nest.

They moved the Decon point to the other end of the causeway.  A good 200 
yards away from where they had been doing this.

One point for those that think before acting.

Bob - N0DGN

From rbethman at comcast.net  Fri Feb  3 13:10:39 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:10:39 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] OT - Cleaning Equipment ADDENDUM
In-Reply-To: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F2C231F.9000001@comcast.net>

We need to keep in mind what we are handling.

The instances of restoring an old broadcast transmitter, always should 
make us think about doing some research.

I still keep finding oil filled transformers or capacitors that are 
loaded with PCBs.

Dispose of them properly.  Ensure that they are marked as needed.

Same old story and advice.

Bob - N0DGN

From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 13:15:54 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:15:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] OT - Cleaning Equipment ADDENDUM
In-Reply-To: <4F2C231F.9000001@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1328292954.82678.YahooMailClassic@web38007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMEN.

Mel

--- On Fri, 2/3/12, rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net> wrote:

From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
Subject: [AMRadio] OT - Cleaning Equipment ADDENDUM
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 10:10 AM

We need to keep in mind what we are handling.

The instances of restoring an old broadcast transmitter, always should 
make us think about doing some research.

I still keep finding oil filled transformers or capacitors that are 
loaded with PCBs.

Dispose of them properly.? Ensure that they are marked as needed.

Same old story and advice.

Bob - N0DGN
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From rbethman at comcast.net  Fri Feb  3 14:24:41 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:24:41 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Testing Iron
Message-ID: <4F2C3479.6030206@comcast.net>

This applies to all of us with high voltages.

Do not put your life in the belief that the bleeder resistors always 
work.  This goes back to assume.  We've all been taught what the results 
of that word can do.

The topic of testing transmitters and their components has been flying 
through the list.

Safety is very much in play.

Remember the shorting sticks of old.  What - you don't have one?

Not only should you, it should be well marked.  It should always have 
the ground strap attached to ground.

Does your family know how to use it?  Do they understand how to pry you 
loose from your equipment with it?

Yep!  There is a board on the wall in my shack.  I use the shorting 
stick before I go poking around.  These '40s, '50s, and '60s pieces of 
equipment may have from 800VDC upwards to include 4 or 5 KV.

Don't be a statistic.  Also pay attention to the latest in CPR methods.  
New guidelines now are out that tell us to forget the rescue breaths!  
Rather, holler for someone to call 911, and begin constant chest 
compressions at a rate of 110 compressions per minute.

As sent by a friend:

> Please watch this.. It really explains it so well.  I know I got a lot 
> out of it and hope that you do to!!  Have a great day and may we never 
> have to use this in our lives but will be ready if we do.
> *_THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY!!!   NEW CPR PROCEDURE._*
> *I want all my friends and family to watch this - in case I need you. 
> I've watched it - in case /you/ need /me/.   PLEASE watch - and then 
> _share_. This short video illustrates the best demonstration and gives 
> the simplest explanation of exactly what to do if someone near you 
> collapses and is presumably having a heart attack. You could very well 
> save the life of a friend or loved one. Someone you share this video 
> with might save your life..! *
> *//*
> http://ahsc.arizona.edu/node/730
My $0.02

Bob - N0DGN

From member at linkedin.com  Fri Feb  3 16:53:39 2012
From: member at linkedin.com (Terry Armstrong via LinkedIn)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:53:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AMRadio] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Message-ID: <291487691.3293564.1328306019957.JavaMail.app@ela4-app0133.prod>

LinkedIn
------------




    Terry Armstrong requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn:
  

------------------------------------------

Brian,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

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From rsauvan at beyondbb.com  Fri Feb  3 17:18:46 2012
From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com (Rsauvan)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:18:46 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] Refinishing a HQ-110A
Message-ID: <43CA4BBDEEFC49FFB4E4D0BB3C754143@rsauvan>

Hi all,
I have just subscribed to this reflector in hopes of getting some advice on refinishing the face of
a Hammarlund HQ-110A receiver I just picked up a couple of weeks ago at a swapfest. I decided
I would like to set up a 60's based station and am getting ready to purchase the matching transmitter. 
My question though is to find out how the graphics are reproduced on the front of the radio after
it gets repainted. I have searched the internet to find out how anyone else gets it done but really
havent found a clear answer. Im familiar with silk screening but dont see how it can be done on
this particular radios face plate. The actual surface is recessed with a bezel that is actually part 
of the casting of the whole face. I have seen some that have used clear decals but I dont care 
much for that route as it would be quite apparent that it isnt original. Maybe if a clear finish is sprayed
over the whole face if it was redone with decals would hide that fact. I dont know. Any help would be 
appreciated because ideally I would like to make it match as close as original as is possible. How was
it done origianally? My son is a graphics artist and is in the process of making me the lettering and
dial indicator lines so I can be ready to produce what ever I need to get it done. Any ideas?

Thanks-Bob-WT9Q  

From adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 17:38:42 2012
From: adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com (Adrian Flynn)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:38:42 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
In-Reply-To: <1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4F2C0B91.3070707@comcast.net>
	<1328287685.61081.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOtbafHFu62Nybnm95iCbG82MfmTsMoAttdbJhX0nCf2L_WGYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mel,
Try a recovery on a TV that a "Blond housewife" hung a plant over top of
for a couple of years. She took it down to water it but the plant dripped
water off of the leaves onto the circuit board.  (Ugh).
Or the TV that junior poured milk into. (Ugh Ugh)
Those are the days that make you pull your hair out!
73
Adrian KF7DYU


  The fresh water is only necessary if it has been submerged in salt water,
obviously.  The real problem with long term high humidity on unprotected
equipment is the level of penetration the corrosion has gone.  Worse case
is warm climate and High moisture.  The main thing is to be prepared for a
long recovery effort. SLOW and careful is the motto and that you are
probably going to
 be successful only about 50% of the time.

Mel, K6KBE

From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 17:49:58 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 14:49:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbafHFu62Nybnm95iCbG82MfmTsMoAttdbJhX0nCf2L_WGYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1328309398.21576.YahooMailClassic@web38008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had my time as a Radio/TV repair man, Marine Radio technician, and Lumber mill electrician.? Those were ugly times.? And that was before I worked for PT&T and found out how badly salt water environment can be on electronic equipment on the Pacific coast, hi.? However, it taught me a lot about how to salvage a very seriously damaged piece of equipment. It gets put to use a lot restoring old radio gear.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Fri, 2/3/12, Adrian Flynn <adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Adrian Flynn <adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Iron or new Iron
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 2:38 PM

Hi Mel,
Try a recovery on a TV that a "Blond housewife" hung a plant over top of
for a couple of years. She took it down to water it but the plant dripped
water off of the leaves onto the circuit board.? (Ugh).
Or the TV that junior poured milk into. (Ugh Ugh)
Those are the days that make you pull your hair out!
73
Adrian KF7DYU


? The fresh water is only necessary if it has been submerged in salt water,
obviously.? The real problem with long term high humidity on unprotected
equipment is the level of penetration the corrosion has gone.? Worse case
is warm climate and High moisture.? The main thing is to be prepared for a
long recovery effort. SLOW and careful is the motto and that you are
probably going to
 be successful only about 50% of the time.

Mel, K6KBE
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From knjhanlon at msn.com  Fri Feb  3 18:03:07 2012
From: knjhanlon at msn.com (JAMES HANLON)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:03:07 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] [AM Radio]  Old Iron
Message-ID: <SNT106-W615C729DC3B0B60EC29AFCA0710@phx.gbl>


A good way to test a transformer with a 120 volt "primary" winding is to put a 120 volt light bulb in series with that primary and then to power it up with no load on any of the secondary windings.  If there are no shorts in any of the windings, primary or secondary, there will be very little current pulled by the primary and the bulb will stay "dark."  There will also be very low voltage drop across the bulb.  One can, if you wish, measure the resulting voltages across the primary and the secondaries to see how the transformer is doing.
 
On the other hand, if there is a short in any one of the windings, the current drawn by the primary will be high and the bulb will light to nearly full brilliance.  Almost all of the voltage drop will then be across the bulb and very little voltage will appear across the transformer primary winding.  The bulb will act as a variable resistance to protect a faulty transformer from self destruction.
 
If the transformers are all OK, it's not completely obvious that the entire 32V might not be recoverable.  A good clean up might do wonders.
 
Jim, W8KGI 		 	   		  

From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 18:25:42 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:25:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] [AM Radio]  Old Iron
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W615C729DC3B0B60EC29AFCA0710@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1328311542.50579.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

One of the things I learned early was that a transformer is just that, it transforms the primary voltage to what ever the ratio is to the secondary.? I have used the light bulb method, but with unknown conditions, I prefer this.

Set up the transformer where all of the leads are stable not moving around and take a standard variac 0-120 VAC and hook it to the primaries.? Put a VOM on the primary and while watching for smoke slowly increase the voltage to the UUT until you reach 12 VAC.? Now set the VOM on the highest scale and work down to get a reading on each secondary.? All of the measured voltages on the secondary are divided by 10.? Easy and no stress on either the transformer or the person testing.? This is the only way I test unknown condition transformers.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Fri, 2/3/12, JAMES HANLON <knjhanlon at msn.com> wrote:

From: JAMES HANLON <knjhanlon at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] [AM Radio]  Old Iron
To: "AMradio" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 3:03 PM


A good way to test a transformer with a 120 volt "primary" winding is to put a 120 volt light bulb in series with that primary and then to power it up with no load on any of the secondary windings.? If there are no shorts in any of the windings, primary or secondary, there will be very little current pulled by the primary and the bulb will stay "dark."? There will also be very low voltage drop across the bulb.? One can, if you wish, measure the resulting voltages across the primary and the secondaries to see how the transformer is doing.
 
On the other hand, if there is a short in any one of the windings, the current drawn by the primary will be high and the bulb will light to nearly full brilliance.? Almost all of the voltage drop will then be across the bulb and very little voltage will appear across the transformer primary winding.? The bulb will act as a variable resistance to protect a faulty transformer from self destruction.
 
If the transformers are all OK, it's not completely obvious that the entire 32V might not be recoverable.? A good clean up might do wonders.
 
Jim, W8KGI ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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From wrl at gwltd.com  Fri Feb  3 19:15:02 2012
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield W9WRL)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:15:02 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Refinishing a HQ-110A
In-Reply-To: <43CA4BBDEEFC49FFB4E4D0BB3C754143@rsauvan>
References: <43CA4BBDEEFC49FFB4E4D0BB3C754143@rsauvan>
Message-ID: <4F2C7886.1010100@gwltd.com>

The lettering on the HQ-110A was silk screened on. So the only way to 
replace it is to have a new silk screen printed $$$$ and then apply it. 
If you can find someone who already spent the $$$$ they might be able to 
loan it to you, but that's a fat chance I would think. It's best to not 
mess with repainting unless it's really a goner. Just clean it up best 
you can and enjoy it. In my opinion it better to leave these radios as 
original as you can, once you repaint something it's not original and 
the value goes down.

Dave W9WRL

Rsauvan wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have just subscribed to this reflector in hopes of getting some advice on refinishing the face of
> a Hammarlund HQ-110A receiver I just picked up a couple of weeks ago at a swapfest. I decided
> I would like to set up a 60's based station and am getting ready to purchase the matching transmitter. 
> My question though is to find out how the graphics are reproduced on the front of the radio after
> it gets repainted. I have searched the internet to find out how anyone else gets it done but really
> havent found a clear answer. Im familiar with silk screening but dont see how it can be done on
> this particular radios face plate. The actual surface is recessed with a bezel that is actually part 
> of the casting of the whole face. I have seen some that have used clear decals but I dont care 
> much for that route as it would be quite apparent that it isnt original. Maybe if a clear finish is sprayed
> over the whole face if it was redone with decals would hide that fact. I dont know. Any help would be 
> appreciated because ideally I would like to make it match as close as original as is possible. How was
> it done origianally? My son is a graphics artist and is in the process of making me the lettering and
> dial indicator lines so I can be ready to produce what ever I need to get it done. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q  
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From Brett.Gazdzinski at verizon.net  Fri Feb  3 19:30:45 2012
From: Brett.Gazdzinski at verizon.net (Brett Gazdzinski)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:30:45 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Iron
In-Reply-To: <92EF47D14A7C4761BC03935A7ECDF7C1@KNEPPER>
References: <375e7.27d6104b.3c5ca6d9@aol.com>
	<CANCs6AVB2N2-s5BazPp=vm9Jpb_iGXJi93yFVSLAf7sOqAL3tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<92EF47D14A7C4761BC03935A7ECDF7C1@KNEPPER>
Message-ID: <DF569DACB29747CDBDFAD75C612E4794@brettPC>

How do you figure?
My 32v3 gets the screen voltage from the plate supply, which has nothing to 
do with the low voltage trans.
R301 is the dropping resistor.

I got my 32V3 about 30 years ago for $50.00, and at that time plugged in 
solid state replacement diodes, run it on the 700 volt tap, and have not had 
to do anything to it ever.
Same tubes, same iron, I use it as an exciter for the big rigs, so its on a 
lot, and I also use it as a standalone rig.

I have even variac the rig up to 800 volts and run it there without 
problems.

I keep waiting for something to go wrong with it, after all, how long can it 
keep going like this?
About 60 YEARS now with the same tubes?

My take on the low voltage trans is its overloaded with filament current.
I pulled all the tube rectifiers and have not had any problems at all.

Brett
N2DTS




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Knepper" <collinsradio at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Iron


> The loss of the low voltage transformer can be traced to leaky bypass caps
> on the screen of the 4D32.  Also reducing the line voltage helps
> considerably.  That little transformer as Todd points out is the weak link
> in the 32V.  If it is warm to the touch, it is only a matter of time when 
> it
> fails.  I have been lucky so far in three of my 32V unit but one never
> knows.  Some folks will reduce the strain on the transformer by using
> solid-state rectifiers and lifting out the 807 modulator tubes if they are
> using the transmitter on CW.
>
> There was an article on this subject in an earlier Collins Journal.
>
> Replacing the low voltage transformer with a new one can cost you big 
> bucks,
> unfortunately.
>
> But, Gary can do the job for you.
>
> David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
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From k4kyv at charter.net  Sat Feb  4 01:00:02 2012
From: k4kyv at charter.net (D. Chester)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:00:02 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Elmer
References: <mailman.45288.1327975187.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>

I never heard the term until sometime in the late 70s or early 80s. I don't 
think it existed in ham radio jargon in the 50s, 60s or earlier.

To me, it always had a dumb-sounding ring to it. Maybe I associate it with 
Elmer Fudd or somebody I knew as a kid, but it conjures up the image of some 
guy with thick horn-rimmed glasses and double digit IQ, a "duh" kind of 
character.  "Mentor" carries far more dignity, at least in my opinion.

Don k4kyv
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From k4kyv at charter.net  Sat Feb  4 01:11:07 2012
From: k4kyv at charter.net (D. Chester)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:11:07 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
References: <mailman.65.1328202143.19198.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1AE721540CE74DB2A85EE24028564E1F@D65Y8B21>

> I have 2 of these old speakers, one I picked up in the 60's another given 
> to me in the late 70's.  Both of them work and sound exactly alike. 
> Feeding it with the proper input Z,  they are very 'tinny', no bass 
> response at all.  They are supposedly a 300 - 7 Khz  speaker, but was 
> wondering if that hard cone kills all the base.  So, anybody that has one, 
> do they sound as freq. restricted to you as me? Or do I have to bad 
> speakers?  Nice to use on CW, they are almost an audio filter, but on AM, 
> audio quality is not good, but I think the way it sounds would be a plus 
> in a very loud environment.
>
> Charlie W4MEC in NC

I think you answered your own question.  Their specifications don't  call 
for any bass response below 300~.

Don k4kyv
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Sat Feb  4 02:39:15 2012
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:39:15 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Elmer
In-Reply-To: <186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
References: <mailman.45288.1327975187.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
	<186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
Message-ID: <20120204073917.14F55373811F@mailman.qth.net>

At 01:00 AM 2/4/2012, D. Chester wrote:
>I never heard the term until sometime in the late 70s or early 80s. I don't
>think it existed in ham radio jargon in the 50s, 60s or earlier.
>
>To me, it always had a dumb-sounding ring to it. Maybe I associate it with
>Elmer Fudd or somebody I knew as a kid, but it conjures up the image of some
>guy with thick horn-rimmed glasses and double digit IQ, a "duh" kind of
>character.  "Mentor" carries far more dignity, at least in my opinion.

Spoken like a teacher!    (which we know you were)

As in an earlier email...I agree.

Perry  w8au 


From wa1rkt at arrl.net  Sat Feb  4 06:57:41 2012
From: wa1rkt at arrl.net (Rick Poole)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 06:57:41 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
In-Reply-To: <1964935700.568791.1328356055587.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.west
	chester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
	<1964935700.568791.1328356055587.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20120204065000.045baa40@rkt-tech.com>


>From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
>
>To me, (elmer) always had a dumb-sounding ring to it.
<<<<<

The term "ham" itself was originally a derogatory term, referring to 
an incompetent who didn't know or care what he was doing... despite 
the misimpression of much of today's crop of hams that "HAM" is some 
kind of acronym that should be in all caps (it's not... we are hams, not HAMs).

This is all part of ham radio tradition, that goes back decades prior 
to the 70's and 80's, like Wouff Hong and Rettysnitch (and yes, the 
"E" word), that few of today's refugees from 11 meters ever learned 
or cared about, and is gradually being forgotten.

From w3slk at verizon.net  Sat Feb  4 07:11:12 2012
From: w3slk at verizon.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:11:12 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
References: <186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
	<1964935700.568791.1328356055587.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20120204065000.045baa40@rkt-tech.com>
Message-ID: <470C702F989641FB8F82134129B39B8B@FAMILY>





>From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
>
>To me, (elmer) always had a dumb-sounding ring to it.
<<<<<

The term "ham" itself was originally a derogatory term, referring to
an incompetent who didn't know or care what he was doing... despite
the misimpression of much of today's crop of hams that "HAM" is some
kind of acronym that should be in all caps (it's not... we are hams, not 
HAMs).

This is all part of ham radio tradition, that goes back decades prior
to the 70's and 80's, like Wouff Hong and Rettysnitch (and yes, the
"E" word), that few of today's refugees from 11 meters ever learned
or cared about, and is gradually being forgotten.
______________________________________________________________
Hmmmmmmm,
    When I hear the name 'Elmer,' I conjure up a vision of an sort of crusty 
sod that know more than his appearance lets on, (Ashtabula Bill comes to 
mind). As for the word 'HAM,' I always felt that it was derived from the 
term of that as a/an (not so good) amateur actor. "Haminn' it up for the 
camera....." is what I can recall hearing and felt that the term was just 
'heaped' on us because we were amateurs, (Some better than others).
My Grid-leak's worth.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK 



From collinsradio at comcast.net  Sat Feb  4 07:18:31 2012
From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:18:31 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
References: <186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21><1964935700.568791.1328356055587.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20120204065000.045baa40@rkt-tech.com>
Message-ID: <A5BE99D5F0CC45B7ABFDFC9D697F1F80@KNEPPER>

I always assumed that an "Elmer" was really the reincarnation of the Walt 
Disney character Elmer Fudd who always tried to shoot the Rabbit but always 
missed his mark.   Perhaps, an Elmer Fud still lives among us on the 
hambands  as the "Elmer" or AMer who tries to stomp out "slop-buckets." 
However, as we well know, these SSB stations or slop bucket stations keep 
coming out of their bushes - like the rabbit -  to irritate the heck out of 
us AMers.  And so it goes.   It's so funny and so hilarious, I think that I 
will just leave it at that!!


David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Poole" <wa1rkt at arrl.net>
To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer


>
>>From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
>>
>>To me, (elmer) always had a dumb-sounding ring to it.
> <<<<<
>
> The term "ham" itself was originally a derogatory term, referring to
> an incompetent who didn't know or care what he was doing... despite
> the misimpression of much of today's crop of hams that "HAM" is some
> kind of acronym that should be in all caps (it's not... we are hams, not 
> HAMs).
>
> This is all part of ham radio tradition, that goes back decades prior
> to the 70's and 80's, like Wouff Hong and Rettysnitch (and yes, the
> "E" word), that few of today's refugees from 11 meters ever learned
> or cared about, and is gradually being forgotten.
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From collinsradio at comcast.net  Sat Feb  4 07:23:01 2012
From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:23:01 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
References: <186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21><1964935700.568791.1328356055587.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><6.2.5.6.2.20120204065000.045baa40@rkt-tech.com>
	<470C702F989641FB8F82134129B39B8B@FAMILY>
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What I learned from Ashtabula Bill was that the quickest way to electrocute 
yourself was to do build a breadboard station like he did.  He was no Elmer 
in my mind.  R.I.P.


David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Sawyer" <w3slk at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer


>
>
>
>
>>From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
>>
>>To me, (elmer) always had a dumb-sounding ring to it.
> <<<<<
>
> The term "ham" itself was originally a derogatory term, referring to
> an incompetent who didn't know or care what he was doing... despite
> the misimpression of much of today's crop of hams that "HAM" is some
> kind of acronym that should be in all caps (it's not... we are hams, not
> HAMs).
>
> This is all part of ham radio tradition, that goes back decades prior
> to the 70's and 80's, like Wouff Hong and Rettysnitch (and yes, the
> "E" word), that few of today's refugees from 11 meters ever learned
> or cared about, and is gradually being forgotten.
> ______________________________________________________________
> Hmmmmmmm,
>    When I hear the name 'Elmer,' I conjure up a vision of an sort of 
> crusty
> sod that know more than his appearance lets on, (Ashtabula Bill comes to
> mind). As for the word 'HAM,' I always felt that it was derived from the
> term of that as a/an (not so good) amateur actor. "Haminn' it up for the
> camera....." is what I can recall hearing and felt that the term was just
> 'heaped' on us because we were amateurs, (Some better than others).
> My Grid-leak's worth.
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
>
>
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From henry1bean at windstream.net  Sat Feb  4 08:14:48 2012
From: henry1bean at windstream.net (henry1bean at windstream.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:14:48 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] elmer
Message-ID: <20120204081448.Q7WWX.136959.root@pamxwww04-z02>

Could have been worse, how about a name like Ralph or Amos.

From johndtate at post.com  Sat Feb  4 10:50:24 2012
From: johndtate at post.com (John Tate)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:50:24 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
Message-ID: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>

What? I thought he died of old age? Am I missing
 something here? Did Ashtabula Bill electrocute himself? This is an unreasonable
 statement if he did not. 
----- Original Message -----
From: David Knepper
Sent: 02/04/12 06:23 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer

 What I learned from Ashtabula Bill was that the quickest way to electrocute yourself was to do build a breadboard station like he did. He was no Elmer in my mind. R.I.P. David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST Collins Radio Association - Join Today www.collinsra.com Editor of the Collins Journal Secretary of the Collins Radio Association See us on Facebook: Collins Radio Association ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sawyer" <w3slk at verizon.net> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer

From w5omr at att.net  Sat Feb  4 11:07:54 2012
From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:07:54 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
In-Reply-To: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
References: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <4F2D57DA.1040600@att.net>

On 2/4/2012 9:50 AM, John Tate wrote:
> What? I thought he died of old age? Am I missing
>   something here? Did Ashtabula Bill electrocute himself? This is an unreasonable
>   statement if he did not.
>

No, Bill did not electrocute himself.

In fact, the emails I got from Dave/W6PSS came from Bill's widow, and 
they went like this:

> Dear AM Lover & friend of  Ashtabula Bill!
> This email just in from XYL of Astabula Bill (*W8VYZ) *regarding his 
> declining health.  He'll surely receive the best care available at the 
> VA hospital.  Please give this email wide distribution to those not 
> included above and join me in praying for a full recovery our dear 
> best friend Bill (W8VYZ).  Bill has touched us all in many ways and 
> deserves much credit for keeping AM alive these many many years. 73 & 
> God bless him,  david
> From: sylviad
> To: W6PSS
> Sent: 9/24/2011 10:03:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time
> Subj: sad news
> Dear Dave, it's my sad job to tell you that Ashtabula Bill is not 
> doing well. He entered Hospice care at Erie VA hospital yesterday. I 
> took him in Tues and there was nothing they could do for him . I 
> wanted to bring him home to care for him but they transferred him to 
> the Hospice Unit there til that can be worked out. Will see the Dr Mon 
> and see where we go from here but not sure if we will have the time to 
> move him home. They are taking good care of him  there. Thought you 
> could get the word out to the Ham community and ask for prayers and 
> good thoughts for him. He is comfortable the problem is his lungs just 
> not getting enough O2 Luv Sylvia

> Dear Friends of Ashtabula Bill,
> Very sorry to forward below just in from Sylvia Dolvin regarding her 
> beloved Bill *(W8VYZ)*.  How much we'll all miss our old friend who 
> has done so much to promote *AM Radio. *We pray God will send the 
> Comforter to Sylvia and the family.  Perhaps we can all honor 
> *"Ashtabula Bill" *with cards, flowers and prayers for the family.  
> Will forward any funeral details when received.  Please give wide 
> distribution to this news - thanks!
> V/r,  w6pss
>
> ForwardedMessage.eml
>
> Subject:
> Silent Key W8VYZ
> From:
> Sylvia Dolvin
> Date:
> 9/27/2011 11:13 AM
>
> To:
> "W6PSS
>
>
> Ashtabula Bill passed away at 6:25AM this morning. He had a peaceful 
> going and me and other family members were with him. We were there 
> since yesterday morning. The good people at the VA covered him with 
> their special "Quilt of Glory" and had a nice service for him. How 
> kind and caring they are there and do honor to all our veterans. He is 
> at peace now. Luv Sylvia
>

> Obituary for
>
>
>       William C. Dolvin
>       <http://starbeacon.com/legacy/x597287075/William-C-Dolvin>  
>       "Ashtabula Bill"  W8VYZ
>
> Star Beacon <http://starbeacon.com/> The Star Beacon 
> <http://starbeacon.com/> Thu Sep 29, 2011, 10:26 AM EDT
>
> SHEFFIELD TOWNSHIP --- William Charles Dolvin, age 86, of Sheffield 
> Township, died Tuesday, Sept. 27 at the V.A. Medical Center in Erie Pa.
>
> He was born April 18, 1925, in Youngstown, Ohio, the son of Charles 
> and Gladys (Miller) Dolvin. William was a Veteran of the United States 
> Army Air Corp, serving in WWII as a co-pilot in B-24 Liberator Plane. 
> On Feb. 4, 1956, he married the former Sylvia Hain in Hamilton, Ontario.
>
> Mr. Dolvin was employed at True Temper and was a 50 year member of 
> I.B.E.W. electricians union.
>
> He enjoyed fishing, hunting and was a member of the NRA. He was known 
> all over the world as a HAM radio operator, call letters W8VYZ.
>
> Survivors include his wife of 55 years, Sylvia Dolvin of Sheffield 
> Township; daughters, Laura Sargent of Monroe Township and Marion 
> (Frank) Houghton of Perry; son, Daniel (Amy) Dolvin of Ashtabula; 
> grandchildren, James (Sara) Sargent, Mike (Katilin) Guzzo, Justin 
> Dolvin, Maura Snyder and grandson-in-law, Steve Snyder; 
> great-grandchildren, Katie and Ryan Sargent, Tristin and Kyra Snyder 
> and Adelaide Kercher; brothers, James Dolvin of Odessa, Fla., John 
> (Hessina) Dolvin of Hubbard, Ohio and Kurt Dolvin of Australia.
>
> He was preceded in death by his parents; and a brother, Glenn Dolvin.
>
> *Funeral Services* will be held 11 a.m., *Saturday*, Oct. 1st, at 
> *Gageville United Methodist Church, *with Pastor David Blood 
> officiating. *Military Honors* will be conducted by American Legion 
> Honor Guard Team Post 103.
>
> Visitation will be from 10 a.m. until time of Service, Saturday, at 
> the Church.
>
> GUERRIERO FUNERAL HOME, 6280 S. Main St., North Kingsville is handling 
> funeral arrangements.
>
> Obituary and condolences at starbeacon.com.
>
> AM Forever !!
>

> Dear friends of W8VYZ,
> This will probably be final on Bill.  As you see below, Bill's 
> surviving family members appreciate tributes and 
> comments you've posted on Internet. It's comforting to read they'll be 
> celebrating Bill's life on Saturday.
> *"AM FOREVER" & *73
> Subject: 	W8VYZ obit
> Date: 	9/29/2011 11:52:46 AM Central Daylight Time
> From: 	sylviad <mailto:sylviad at windstream.net>
> Reply To: 	
> To: 	W6PSS <mailto:W6PSS at aol.com>
>
> Dave, Bill's obit was in the paper today the newspaper  is The 
> Ashtabula Star Beacon to find it, so you can let it be known. I am 
> glad his suffering is over and he is at peace, he was ready to go. We 
> will have a great celebration of his life Saturday.Having been reading 
> the tributes and comments on line and we are all appreciating them 
> What a great guy he was! Luv Sylvia 

> This has got to be a first!  Below just in from W8VYZ's XYL Sylvia.
>
>     From: sylviad
>     To: W6PSS
>     Sent: 10/1/2011 10:01:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time
>     Subj: W8VYZ into the Wild Blue Yonder
>     It's late and the end of a long day, but have to take the time to
>     tell you that Bill's last send off was great! His ashes rest
>     inside 2 833's mounted on a transmitter tuning unit. He would love
>     it! He had full military honors and his grandson showed a video of
>     the  song with old Army Air Corps words of Wild Blue Yonder with
>     pics of thundering planes bombs etc etc. A nice turnout with lots
>     of remembering quite a few hams and lots of family. I think we did
>     him proud. Have pics for you to see when have more time to send
>     them Rapidly running out of steam so heading for bed Luv Sylvia 
>
> - - - - -
> We await these photo's with great expectations.  The two jugs were a 
> stroke of genius!  Thanks Sylvia! 






From w3slk at verizon.net  Sat Feb  4 11:10:25 2012
From: w3slk at verizon.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:10:25 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
References: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <8E6EA6614D8A4C559AECC82542EE4663@FAMILY>

No he did not electrocute himself and yes you are correct that this was an 
unreasonable statement.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What? I thought he died of old age? Am I missing
 something here? Did Ashtabula Bill electrocute himself? This is an 
unreasonable
 statement if he did not.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Knepper
Sent: 02/04/12 06:23 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer

 What I learned from Ashtabula Bill was that the quickest way to electrocute 
yourself was to do build a breadboard station like he did. He was no Elmer 
in my mind. R.I.P. David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST Collins Radio Association - 
Join Today www.collinsra.com Editor of the Collins Journal Secretary of the 
Collins Radio Association See us on Facebook: Collins Radio 
Association ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sawyer" 
<w3slk at verizon.net> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:11 AM Subject: 
Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer
______________________________________________________________



From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 12:38:40 2012
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 11:38:40 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Elmer
In-Reply-To: <186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
References: <mailman.45288.1327975187.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
	<186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
Message-ID: <CALWD7Z6N1uW5OqmZzg_zKN3Kp5TYz-CGuKXmVW=KMzTBg2tZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am not sure Rod Newkirk ever intended for "elmer" to become a part
of the ham radio lexicon.
He just wrote a column one month and anyone who has to write any kind
of column will tell you there are dry spells when you have to come up
with something to get some words on paper.  Maybe the Elmer column was
one of those times.

Regardless, it's a dumb term because it fills a need that never
existed.  There was never anything wrong with simply saying "the ham
who helped me get started" in every day speech.  A special term was
never and is not necessary.

"This is Walt, the ham who helped me get started."

"This is Walt, my elmer."  Yech.

Rob
K5UJ


On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:00 AM, D. Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:
> I never heard the term until sometime in the late 70s or early 80s. I don't
> think it existed in ham radio jargon in the 50s, 60s or earlier.
>
> To me, it always had a dumb-sounding ring to it. Maybe I associate it with
> Elmer Fudd or somebody I knew as a kid, but it conjures up the image of some
> guy with thick horn-rimmed glasses and double digit IQ, a "duh" kind of
> character. ?"Mentor" carries far more dignity, at least in my opinion.
>
> Don k4kyv

From w3rlw at rochester.rr.com  Sat Feb  4 12:57:58 2012
From: w3rlw at rochester.rr.com (roy wildermuth)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 12:57:58 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
In-Reply-To: <1328197314.33559.YahooMailClassic@web161205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1328197314.33559.YahooMailClassic@web161205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAWMRWvAuAca1nLjJPTQnvo=P7C2WDEy7xDPdqg4uNL-Ax8-Zg@mail.gmail.com>

If you like bass and full rich audio, these are no speaker for you.
Communicarion quality at it's worst. But they are weatherproof, dependable
and look really cool.

Roy Wildermuth
AWA Museum

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM, CL in NC <mjcal77 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have 2 of these old speakers, one I picked up in the 60's another given
> to me in the late 70's.  Both of them work and sound exactly alike. Feeding
> it with the proper input Z,  they are very 'tinny', no bass response at
> all.  They are supposedly a 300 - 7 Khz  speaker, but was wondering if that
> hard cone kills all the base.  So, anybody that has one, do they sound as
> freq. restricted to you as me? Or do I have to bad speakers?  Nice to use
> on CW, they are almost an audio filter, but on AM, audio quality is not
> good, but I think the way it sounds would be a plus in a very loud
> environment.
>
> Charlie W4MEC in NC
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From ken at savage99.com  Sat Feb  4 13:04:06 2012
From: ken at savage99.com (Ken)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:04:06 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Elmer
In-Reply-To: <CALWD7Z6N1uW5OqmZzg_zKN3Kp5TYz-CGuKXmVW=KMzTBg2tZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
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My Elmer was named Elmer:-)
Ken
WB8CPW
-----------------------------------------

On 2/4/2012 12:38 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote:
> I am not sure Rod Newkirk ever intended for "elmer" to become a part
> of the ham radio lexicon.
> He just wrote a column one month and anyone who has to write any kind
> of column will tell you there are dry spells when you have to come up
> with something to get some words on paper.  Maybe the Elmer column was
> one of those times.
>
> Regardless, it's a dumb term because it fills a need that never
> existed.  There was never anything wrong with simply saying "the ham
> who helped me get started" in every day speech.  A special term was
> never and is not necessary.
>
> "This is Walt, the ham who helped me get started."
>
> "This is Walt, my elmer."  Yech.
>
> Rob
> K5UJ
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:00 AM, D. Chester<k4kyv at charter.net>  wrote:
>> I never heard the term until sometime in the late 70s or early 80s. I don't
>> think it existed in ham radio jargon in the 50s, 60s or earlier.
>>
>> To me, it always had a dumb-sounding ring to it. Maybe I associate it with
>> Elmer Fudd or somebody I knew as a kid, but it conjures up the image of some
>> guy with thick horn-rimmed glasses and double digit IQ, a "duh" kind of
>> character.  "Mentor" carries far more dignity, at least in my opinion.
>>
>> Don k4kyv
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From manualman at juno.com  Sat Feb  4 13:07:17 2012
From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:07:17 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
Message-ID: <20120204.100724.1661.83984@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>

Maybe the first amateurs considered themselves an elite class because of
their ability to communicate with people all over the world with their
own crafted equipment, and the general population dubbed them "high and
mighty" aka "ham".

There was no "Elmer" mentor tag prior to the 70's other then the
possibility that your mentor had the first name of Elmer. It was not any
"good old old days" ham radio tradition.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 06:57:41 -0500 Rick Poole <wa1rkt at arrl.net> writes:
> 
> >From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
> >
> >To me, (elmer) always had a dumb-sounding ring to it.
> <<<<<
> 
> The term "ham" itself was originally a derogatory term, referring to 
> 
> an incompetent who didn't know or care what he was doing... despite 
> 
> the misimpression of much of today's crop of hams that "HAM" is some 
> 
> kind of acronym that should be in all caps (it's not... we are hams, 
> not HAMs).
> 
> This is all part of ham radio tradition, that goes back decades 
> prior 
> to the 70's and 80's, like Wouff Hong and Rettysnitch (and yes, the 
> 
> "E" word), that few of today's refugees from 11 meters ever learned 
> 
> or cared about, and is gradually being forgotten.

From manualman at juno.com  Sat Feb  4 13:08:26 2012
From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:08:26 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Elmer
Message-ID: <20120204.100907.1667.83587@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>

Ha! I rest my case.
Pete, wa2cwa

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:04:06 -0500 Ken <ken at savage99.com> writes:
> My Elmer was named Elmer:-)
> Ken
> WB8CPW

From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com  Sat Feb  4 13:11:38 2012
From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:11:38 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Elmer
In-Reply-To: <CALWD7Z6N1uW5OqmZzg_zKN3Kp5TYz-CGuKXmVW=KMzTBg2tZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.45288.1327975187.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net><186C374A5D5E4516BA472D6108C6839D@D65Y8B21>
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Message-ID: <95F784B01CFF428E8917D07F922DD988@computerPC>

I suppose it could be some really neat name like Gopher, Cottenmouth, 
Possum, ETC.   10-4 good buddy. snarf snarf Bernie  PS thinking about, I do 
hear more that a few Mushmouths on 80ssb.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Atkinson" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Elmer



From collinsradio at comcast.net  Sat Feb  4 13:33:57 2012
From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:33:57 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
References: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
	<8E6EA6614D8A4C559AECC82542EE4663@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <EEB101CD4EE34A72AEB1E713F7115943@KNEPPER>

Bill was smart enough to stay away from all that clutter.

See the video on YouTube.

Years ago before any of us were hams, those hams built everything breadboard 
style.  Some of them are now silent keys!


David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
Collins Radio Association - Join Today
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Sawyer" <w3slk at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer


> No he did not electrocute himself and yes you are correct that this was an
> unreasonable statement.
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What? I thought he died of old age? Am I missing
> something here? Did Ashtabula Bill electrocute himself? This is an
> unreasonable
> statement if he did not.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Knepper
> Sent: 02/04/12 06:23 AM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer
>
> What I learned from Ashtabula Bill was that the quickest way to 
> electrocute
> yourself was to do build a breadboard station like he did. He was no Elmer
> in my mind. R.I.P. David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST Collins Radio Association -
> Join Today www.collinsra.com Editor of the Collins Journal Secretary of 
> the
> Collins Radio Association See us on Facebook: Collins Radio
> Association ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sawyer"
> <w3slk at verizon.net> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
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From collinsradio at comcast.net  Sat Feb  4 13:37:32 2012
From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:37:32 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
References: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <B58B111815E84FA7BEE312A0022D9420@KNEPPER>

You guys ought to take Reading 10.  Bill and I spoke often and I always his 
spunk to slug it out with the slopbucketeers.


What I learned from Bill was not to do any breadboarding unless you knew - 
and Bill did - what to touch and what not to touch.  He was a ham's ham.

OK

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Tate" <johndtate at post.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer


> What? I thought he died of old age? Am I missing
> something here? Did Ashtabula Bill electrocute himself? This is an 
> unreasonable
> statement if he did not.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Knepper
> Sent: 02/04/12 06:23 AM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer
>
> What I learned from Ashtabula Bill was that the quickest way to 
> electrocute yourself was to do build a breadboard station like he did. He 
> was no Elmer in my mind. R.I.P. David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST Collins Radio 
> Association - Join Today www.collinsra.com Editor of the Collins Journal 
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> Radio Association ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sawyer" 
> <w3slk at verizon.net> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
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From macklinbob at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 13:51:35 2012
From: macklinbob at gmail.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:51:35 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd:  Elmer
References: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
	<B58B111815E84FA7BEE312A0022D9420@KNEPPER>
Message-ID: <9101C3DDF4D446AD88772DF37E05B1CE@IVORYTOWER>

I think most of us that were educated in electronics in the 50's and 60's 
learned what not to touch.

But I got hurt pretty bad when my watchband got across the 28V 600A mains in 
an aircraft. Not my fault. The fault of a bad designer.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Knepper" <collinsradio at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer


> You guys ought to take Reading 10.  Bill and I spoke often and I always 
> his
> spunk to slug it out with the slopbucketeers.
>
>
> What I learned from Bill was not to do any breadboarding unless you knew -
> and Bill did - what to touch and what not to touch.  He was a ham's ham.
>
> OK
>
> David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
> Collins Radio Association - Join Today
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Tate" <johndtate at post.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer
>
>
>> What? I thought he died of old age? Am I missing
>> something here? Did Ashtabula Bill electrocute himself? This is an
>> unreasonable
>> statement if he did not.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Knepper
>> Sent: 02/04/12 06:23 AM
>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer
>>
>> What I learned from Ashtabula Bill was that the quickest way to
>> electrocute yourself was to do build a breadboard station like he did. He
>> was no Elmer in my mind. R.I.P. David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST Collins Radio
>> Association - Join Today www.collinsra.com Editor of the Collins Journal
>> Secretary of the Collins Radio Association See us on Facebook: Collins
>> Radio Association ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sawyer"
>> <w3slk at verizon.net> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:11 AM
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  4 17:19:05 2012
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:19:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
In-Reply-To: <mailman.46593.1328381503.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1328393945.67904.YahooMailClassic@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

No, I didn't expect quality audio from a hard cone speaker in a metal box, just wanted to know if they all sounded the same.  But it does restore  some intelligibility to folks on AM  when they think anything above 1Khz in the audio response is not needed.

Charlie in NC

From dennisgilliam at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 17:45:58 2012
From: dennisgilliam at gmail.com (Dennis Gilliam)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:45:58 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
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They were also engineered to withstand an acoustic overload, i.e. the blast
from a close howitzer.  That is the reason for the mesh behind the cone.

I've seen several paper cone speakers ruined by loud noises in the vicinity
(not of their own making, BTW).

73DG

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:19 PM, CL in NC <mjcal77 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> No, I didn't expect quality audio from a hard cone speaker in a metal box,
> just wanted to know if they all sounded the same.  But it does restore
>  some intelligibility to folks on AM  when they think anything above 1Khz
> in the audio response is not needed.
>
> Charlie in NC
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From kb2wig at twcny.rr.com  Sat Feb  4 18:10:53 2012
From: kb2wig at twcny.rr.com (kb2wig at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:10:53 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] elmer
In-Reply-To: <20120204081448.Q7WWX.136959.root@pamxwww04-z02>
Message-ID: <20120204231053.B6WPM.15476.root@cdptpa-web22-z02>

        Amos Moses
---- henry1bean at windstream.net wrote: 
> Could have been worse, how about a name like Ralph or Amos.
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Sat Feb  4 19:23:25 2012
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:23:25 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Ashtabula Bill?
In-Reply-To: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
References: <20120204155024.150610@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <20120205002328.C674680780A3@mailman.qth.net>

At 10:50 AM 2/4/2012, John Tate wrote:
>What? I thought he died of old age? Am I missing
>  something here? Did Ashtabula Bill electrocute himself? This is an 
> unreasonable
>  statement if he did not.

No he did not.  (passed away at VA hospital of old age)  If you see 
some of his recent fotos,
there's only rack mounted gear and other BA stuff.   The Breadboard 
stuff must be from early years.
Bill was a B-24 pilot in WW2.

Hey, nothing wrong with BB construction...just keep a rubber pad on 
the deck, wear some
gloves and keep one hand in your pocket. :-)

w8au

>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Knepper
>Sent: 02/04/12 06:23 AM
>To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
>Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fwd: Elmer
>
>  What I learned from Ashtabula Bill was that the quickest way to 
> electrocute yourself was to do build a breadboard station like he 
> did. He was no Elmer in my mind. R.I.P. David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST 
> Collins Radio Association - Join Today www.collinsra.com Editor of 
> the Collins Journal Secretary of the Collins Radio Association See 
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> ----- From: "Mike Sawyer" <w3slk at verizon.net> To: "Discussion of AM 
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From collinsradio at comcast.net  Sun Feb  5 09:20:12 2012
From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:20:12 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: [Boatanchors] Richmond VA hamfest report
Message-ID: <7D1E80F3A0304AB38EF850E2F5D72980@KNEPPER>

I am forming the opinion that hamfests are mobile classic radio roadshows 
meant to give the old-timers a walk down memory lane.  "Well dog-gone I 
thought I would never cast my tired old eyes on a Viking I again.  Makes my 
heart skip a beat."  "Oh, there is a BC-348 that I used on a B-17 over 
Europe."

Thanks, Nick, for the memories.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick England" <navy.radio at gmail.com>
To: "Boatanchors-qth" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: [Boatanchors] Richmond VA hamfest report


> Well, more photos more than a report -
> http://www.virhistory.com/ham/rich-12.htm
>
> Saw lots of boatanchor pals there and I thought a pretty good
> selection of BA's. No military other than a couple of R-390A's. Fair
> amount of homebrew gear (tuners, amps) and parts. Pretty good
> attendance - this location draws the DC area crowd as well as NC.
>
> cheers,
> Nick K4NYW
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From ka5mei at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  5 10:41:41 2012
From: ka5mei at sbcglobal.net (ka5mei at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 15:41:41 +0000
Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: [Boatanchors] Richmond VA hamfest report
In-Reply-To: <7D1E80F3A0304AB38EF850E2F5D72980@KNEPPER>
References: <7D1E80F3A0304AB38EF850E2F5D72980@KNEPPER>
Message-ID: <844745879-1328456498-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-816538830-@b13.c12.bise6.blackberry>

0. Bb
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "David Knepper" <collinsradio at comcast.net>
Sender: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:20:12 
To: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Reply-To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
	<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: [Boatanchors] Richmond VA hamfest report

I am forming the opinion that hamfests are mobile classic radio roadshows 
meant to give the old-timers a walk down memory lane.  "Well dog-gone I 
thought I would never cast my tired old eyes on a Viking I again.  Makes my 
heart skip a beat."  "Oh, there is a BC-348 that I used on a B-17 over 
Europe."

Thanks, Nick, for the memories.


David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
Collins Radio Association - Join Today
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick England" <navy.radio at gmail.com>
To: "Boatanchors-qth" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: [Boatanchors] Richmond VA hamfest report


> Well, more photos more than a report -
> http://www.virhistory.com/ham/rich-12.htm
>
> Saw lots of boatanchor pals there and I thought a pretty good
> selection of BA's. No military other than a couple of R-390A's. Fair
> amount of homebrew gear (tuners, amps) and parts. Pretty good
> attendance - this location draws the DC area crowd as well as NC.
>
> cheers,
> Nick K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 13:32:33 2012
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:32:33 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] LS 166/U
In-Reply-To: <1328393945.67904.YahooMailClassic@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.46593.1328381503.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
	<1328393945.67904.YahooMailClassic@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALWD7Z6n+=KG8M43kLT9U+pUc74JkFJ3nXDjDgZHLLQs=U-+VA@mail.gmail.com>

i take the audio from the receiver and feed it through a mixer before
it goes to the audio amps and speakers.  Each channel on the mixer has
a crude equalizer--pots for low mid and high frequencies.
The all audio below 200 Hz stations are made intelligible by my
turning the low freq. pot all the way down.

Rob
K5UJ

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:19 PM, CL in NC <mjcal77 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> No, I didn't expect quality audio from a hard cone speaker in a metal box, just wanted to know if they all sounded the same. ?But it does restore ?some intelligibility to folks on AM ?when they think anything above 1Khz in the audio response is not needed.
>
> Charlie in NC

From wa1qix at piesky.com  Tue Feb  7 19:12:01 2012
From: wa1qix at piesky.com (Steve WA1QIX)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:12:01 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Transmitter Rally THIS WEEKEND (2/11-2/12)!!
In-Reply-To: <CALWD7Z6n+=KG8M43kLT9U+pUc74JkFJ3nXDjDgZHLLQs=U-+VA@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <1328393945.67904.YahooMailClassic@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<mailman.46593.1328381503.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
	<1328393945.67904.YahooMailClassic@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20120207190933.05b3dde8@10.0.0.8>

The 2012 AM Transmitter Rally is this weekend - Saturday and Sunday on all 
HF bands.

This is an AM operating event and contest.

Last year Ralph W3GL made the most contacts.  There were over 500 stations 
logged!!

Check out:  http://www.classeradio.com/amtr.htm for more information.


From ken.sands at cavtel.net  Wed Feb  8 08:13:21 2012
From: ken.sands at cavtel.net (Ken Sands)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:13:21 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Transmitter Rally THIS WEEKEND (2/11-2/12)!!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20120207190933.05b3dde8@10.0.0.8>
References: <mailman.46593.1328381503.6710.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
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	<5.1.1.6.0.20120207190933.05b3dde8@10.0.0.8>
Message-ID: <CACbdbLqBO6Sugr4iyD0vv7dPmCEgPLgZ1aiPfMc1rOLcM+OUeQ@mail.gmail.com>

RON PAUL ROCKS!

73
Ken K8TFD

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com> wrote:

> The 2012 AM Transmitter Rally is this weekend - Saturday and Sunday on all
> HF bands.
>
> This is an AM operating event and contest.
>
> Last year Ralph W3GL made the most contacts.  There were over 500 stations
> logged!!
>
> Check out:  http://www.classeradio.com/amtr.htm for more information.
>
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From k5dic at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 09:44:31 2012
From: k5dic at yahoo.com (Dick Gillespie)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 06:44:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe Scount 680a PTT mod
Message-ID: <1328712271.61155.YahooMailClassic@web161504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Any info on the best way to achieve this on a 680a would be appreciated. Thanks.

Dick/K5DIC

From w5jo at brightok.net  Wed Feb  8 12:48:23 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:48:23 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Posts
Message-ID: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>

Hi All,

We recently had a political post on the reflector.  The person who made 
the post has been notified that we do not make that type of post here.

Thank you for your patience.

Jim/W5JO
Moderator 


From cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  8 15:45:00 2012
From: cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net (Kim Elmore)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:45:00 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Posts
In-Reply-To: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
Message-ID: <D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Jim,

I figured you'd jump on this post haste. Thanks for keeping the list well-mannered and focused on topic!

73,

Kim N5OP

On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:48, "Jim Wilhite" <w5jo at brightok.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> We recently had a political post on the reflector.  The person who made 
> the post has been notified that we do not make that type of post here.
> 
> Thank you for your patience.
> 
> Jim/W5JO
> Moderator 
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From wrl at gwltd.com  Wed Feb  8 18:41:09 2012
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield W9WRL)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:41:09 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe Scount 680a PTT mod
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Add a relay to the plate switch.

73 W9WRL.com

Dick Gillespie wrote:
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From knjhanlon at msn.com  Thu Feb  9 13:43:30 2012
From: knjhanlon at msn.com (JAMES HANLON)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:43:30 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] AM event Sunday
Message-ID: <SNT106-W36705CF0150C625049E94A07B0@phx.gbl>


There will be an AM "contest," the Classic Exchange, this sunday.  Details are at http://www.classicexchange.org , click on JANUARY 2012 CX ANNOUNCEMENT.  The contest runs from 1400Z on Sunday to 0800Z on Monday.  I expect most of the activity to be on 20 meters, 14286 +/- QRM, 40 meters, 7290 +/- QRM, and 75 meters, 3880 +/- QRM.
 
Hope to see you there,
 
Jim, W8KGI 		 	   		  

From w5jo at brightok.net  Sun Feb 12 17:58:54 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:58:54 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] NC 300 Mods
Message-ID: <F40E7B61E223414B8ED3EF81DE1EA2C0@JimPC>

Hi all,

There was a modification for the NC 300 AGC circuit that added a diode 
and some resistors and caps.  It included wiring the circuit to the mode 
switch which improved AGC action on SSB.

If any of you have a drawing of the wiring, I would appreciate a copy 
emailed to me or mailed.  If you have to mail, I will cover your 
postage.

Jim/W5JO 


From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com  Sun Feb 12 18:24:44 2012
From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:24:44 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
	<D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC>

I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking I 
might find some interesting AM gear.  ignoring the computer stuff, probably 
only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice Heathkits, a 
390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.  all could have been on a thirty 
foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six deep, Jewerly, auto truck 
repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record players, thousands of CDs, VHS 
tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and jellies, slide projectors, bobble 
heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, light strings and Christmas 
decorations, and best of all, syringes beside minature digital scales!

There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want.  It 
looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and stinking of 
cigarette smoke.    This pretty much indicated to me why we have a different 
type of operator on the ham bands.  However, trying to be objective, Those 
of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a short period of time, if 
not now, be in the minority and it could be argued that we are in the wrong 
and out of step.

This looked simply like a flea market.    And, yes, before anyone says, if 
you did not like it, do not go again.  I certainly will not.

Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW 


From w3slk at verizon.net  Sun Feb 12 18:33:03 2012
From: w3slk at verizon.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:33:03 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
	<D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
	<E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC>
Message-ID: <890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>

Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW

______________________________________________________________
Yep, Bernie I'm afraid it is. I would be willing to bet that there are some 
exceptions out there but I've seen most of the good ones in this area 
'morph' into what you just described.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK 



From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 12 18:43:19 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:43:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <1329090199.11604.YahooMailClassic@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I guess I should expected this coming as 20 years or so ago I went to Dayton and the same +300lb'rs were sporting several HTs over the crack.? Ugly.

Mel

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Mike Sawyer <w3slk at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Mike Sawyer <w3slk at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 3:33 PM

Is this typical?? ? Bernie? W8RPW

______________________________________________________________
Yep, Bernie I'm afraid it is. I would be willing to bet that there are some 
exceptions out there but I've seen most of the good ones in this area 
'morph' into what you just described.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK 


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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 18:44:20 2012
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:44:20 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC>
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
	<D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
	<E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC>
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It vairies immensely - NEARfest has an admirable "no computers.
nothing but ham gear" policy and attracts a very large number of
sellers and buyers. Most fests in the Southeast have a pretty good
assortment of boatanchors and boatanchorites.
See examples at
http://www.virhistory.com/ham/shelby_2011.htm
http://www.virhistory.com/ham/shelby_2010.htm
http://www.virhistory.com/ham/ga10.htm
http://www.virhistory.com/ham/clt-11.htm
http://www.virhistory.com/ham/rars-11.htm
http://www.virhistory.com/ham/rich-12.htm

It ain't like going to Wal-mart where something is either in stock or
not available. You might go to 20-30 hamfests looking for a particular
item before you happen upon the guy who says - yeah, I've got a Desk
Kilowatt back home in the garage, are you interested?

cheers,
Nick K4NYW

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Bernie Doran
<qedconsultants at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking I
> might find some interesting AM gear. ?ignoring the computer stuff, probably
> only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice Heathkits, a
> 390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers. ?all could have been on a thirty
> foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six deep, Jewerly, auto truck
> repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record players, thousands of CDs, VHS
> tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and jellies, slide projectors, bobble
> heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, light strings and Christmas
> decorations, and best of all, syringes beside minature digital scales!
>
> There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want. ?It
> looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and stinking of
> cigarette smoke. ? ?This pretty much indicated to me why we have a different
> type of operator on the ham bands. ?However, trying to be objective, Those
> of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a short period of time, if
> not now, be in the minority and it could be argued that we are in the wrong
> and out of step.
>
> This looked simply like a flea market. ? ?And, yes, before anyone says, if
> you did not like it, do not go again. ?I certainly will not.
>
> Is this typical? ? ?Bernie ?W8RPW
>
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From wa1rkt at arrl.net  Sun Feb 12 19:04:48 2012
From: wa1rkt at arrl.net (Rick Poole)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:04:48 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
	<D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
	<E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC>
	<890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20120212190339.04579878@rkt-tech.com>

At 06:33 PM 2/12/2012, Mike Sawyer wrote:

 >>>>>
>Yep, Bernie I'm afraid it is. I would be willing to bet that there are some
>exceptions out there but I've seen most of the good ones in this area
>'morph' into what you just described.
<<<<<

Come on up to NEARfest in Deerfield, NH, May 4th and 5th.

So far, so good, we'll see...



From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 19:12:34 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:12:34 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120212190339.04579878@rkt-tech.com>
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
	<D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
	<E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC>
	<890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20120212190339.04579878@rkt-tech.com>
Message-ID: <F69E18A7-6771-46B6-8913-9324B697B582@gmail.com>

I must say the HAMCATION in Orlando this past was excellent for boatanchor fans

and little if any of what Bernie described

73

Warren W1GUD 
FLAMGROUP.COM


On Feb 12, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Rick Poole wrote:

> At 06:33 PM 2/12/2012, Mike Sawyer wrote:
> 
>>>>>> 
>> Yep, Bernie I'm afraid it is. I would be willing to bet that there are some
>> exceptions out there but I've seen most of the good ones in this area
>> 'morph' into what you just described.
> <<<<<
> 
> Come on up to NEARfest in Deerfield, NH, May 4th and 5th.
> 
> So far, so good, we'll see...
> 
> 
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From Holmes.Nigel at abc.net.au  Sun Feb 12 19:34:10 2012
From: Holmes.Nigel at abc.net.au (Nigel Holmes)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:34:10 +1100
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
	<D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
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	<890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <B11F39A5409F804687C207A5F380653792FBF3E876@NUCEMB01.aus.aunty.abc.net.au>

computer hard garbage, new tool sets made in PRC from cheese rind, the same R390A for $1k (on its tenth visit now), CB boxes, Yep, pretty well describes the Wyong hamfest touted as VK's largest. Except we'd call them 150+ kg'ers. 

Nige VK3DZ

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?

Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW

______________________________________________________________
Yep, Bernie I'm afraid it is. I would be willing to bet that there are some exceptions out there but I've seen most of the good ones in this area 'morph' into what you just described.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)  W3SLK 



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From w5jo at brightok.net  Sun Feb 12 19:38:10 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:38:10 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC><D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net><E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC><890EA00A6EC64C249F3F6488EAF0E2B3@FAMILY>
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In my part of this country I have notice an influx of younger hams in 
the past 2-3 years and less computer stuff.  Don't know any particulars 
because I haven't talked to the young people but it seems to be at least 
a minor trend.  Also some of the attendees are dressing much better than 
10 years back.

I have my fingers crossed.

Jim/W5JO


----- Original Message ----- 
?


> computer hard garbage, new tool sets made in PRC from cheese rind, the 
> same R390A for $1k (on its tenth visit now), CB boxes, Yep, pretty 
> well describes the Wyong hamfest touted as VK's largest. Except we'd 
> call them 150+ kg'ers.
>
> Nige VK3DZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
>
> Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Yep, Bernie I'm afraid it is. I would be willing to bet that there are 
> some exceptions out there but I've seen most of the good ones in this 
> area 'morph' into what you just described.
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)  W3SLK


From k5xu at comcast.net  Sun Feb 12 19:38:49 2012
From: k5xu at comcast.net (Mike Duke, K5XU)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:38:49 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Good hamfest?
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC><D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
	<E717093621C6405A9E8E978886ECBAD4@computerPC>
Message-ID: <4A3B9476EB79432B8C0425BD4599A877@K5XU>

Okay, guys.

Go to your calendar for 2013, and circle Friday and Saturday, January 
25 and 26.

Next, write in really big letters: "Jackson, Mississippi Hamfest."

Then, get a good rolling, running, or ice skating start in whatever 
direction is necessary from your QTH, in time to be in Jackson, 
Mississippi on those dates.

While our hamfest has its share of non-ham related stuff, it 
consistently has a good flea market that is pretty well balanced 
between classic boat anchors and more recent equipment.

Nearly 300 tables were sold ahead of the 2012 event which occurred 
last month.

While some computers and related items appear each year, the event is 
not promoted as a "ham radio & computer show."

Our hamfest has consistently drawn well over a thousand attendees for 
the past 8 years. Our highest head count thus far was 1285, which 
occurred 2 or 3 years ago. This year, we were right at 1100 attendees.

Beginning this year, we expanded the event to cover two of the show 
bays in the Mississippi Trade Mart, and have confirmed the same setup 
for 2013. This means there will be plenty of room, and plenty of 
tables.

Several individuals from this list have been in attendance numerous 
times, and a few others came for the first time this year.

To paraphrase Johnny Olsen, "Y'all come on down!"

Mike Duke, K5XU
Shameless Promoter,
Jackson Mississippi Hamfest, 2013


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernie Doran" <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?


I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking 
I
might find some interesting AM gear.  ignoring the computer stuff, 
probably
only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice 
Heathkits, a
390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.  all could have been on a 
thirty
foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six deep, Jewerly, auto 
truck
repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record players, thousands of 
CDs, VHS
tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and jellies, slide projectors, 
bobble
heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, light strings and Christmas
decorations, and best of all, syringes beside minature digital scales!

There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want. 
It
looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and 
stinking of
cigarette smoke.    This pretty much indicated to me why we have a 
different
type of operator on the ham bands.  However, trying to be objective, 
Those
of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a short period of 
time, if
not now, be in the minority and it could be argued that we are in the 
wrong
and out of step.

This looked simply like a flea market.    And, yes, before anyone 
says, if
you did not like it, do not go again.  I certainly will not.

Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW

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From w3slk at verizon.net  Sun Feb 12 19:41:12 2012
From: w3slk at verizon.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:41:12 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
References: <8052A20F2B6C445C86F70E94F5BF62BA@JimPC>
	<D4C1DD0B-050D-47F7-BB5C-17327CF10C7C@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <6CB866DD59B24C449A0A3AECECEB79B9@FAMILY>

HAMCATION and Deerfest are two of the exceptions I was referring to. 
Timonium, Gaithersburg, and MURGAS, just to name a few, fell into despair. 
Timonium and MURGAS, in an effort to attract other shoppers, (which may have 
begun the bleeding), turned to a 'flea style' hamfest. Gaithersburg lost its 
venue which is a shame because it had very little in the way of commercial 
dealers. Everything was tailgate. Although I haven't been there in a while, 
Berryville, VA I hear is still holding on but just by threads. Butler was 
always good but I haven't been there in sometime. I don't know, how is 
Rochester, NY holding out?
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?


I must say the HAMCATION in Orlando this past was excellent for boatanchor 
fans

and little if any of what Bernie described

73

Warren W1GUD
FLAMGROUP.COM





From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 12 19:55:16 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:55:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Good hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <4A3B9476EB79432B8C0425BD4599A877@K5XU>
Message-ID: <1329094516.41395.YahooMailClassic@web38008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't miss the Gold Country Hamfest in Burson, CA, HAM only May 12th, 2012. CU there in Heavy Metal Country.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Mike Duke, K5XU <k5xu at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Mike Duke, K5XU <k5xu at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Good hamfest?
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 4:38 PM

Okay, guys.

Go to your calendar for 2013, and circle Friday and Saturday, January 
25 and 26.

Next, write in really big letters: "Jackson, Mississippi Hamfest."

Then, get a good rolling, running, or ice skating start in whatever 
direction is necessary from your QTH, in time to be in Jackson, 
Mississippi on those dates.

While our hamfest has its share of non-ham related stuff, it 
consistently has a good flea market that is pretty well balanced 
between classic boat anchors and more recent equipment.

Nearly 300 tables were sold ahead of the 2012 event which occurred 
last month.

While some computers and related items appear each year, the event is 
not promoted as a "ham radio & computer show."

Our hamfest has consistently drawn well over a thousand attendees for 
the past 8 years. Our highest head count thus far was 1285, which 
occurred 2 or 3 years ago. This year, we were right at 1100 attendees.

Beginning this year, we expanded the event to cover two of the show 
bays in the Mississippi Trade Mart, and have confirmed the same setup 
for 2013. This means there will be plenty of room, and plenty of 
tables.

Several individuals from this list have been in attendance numerous 
times, and a few others came for the first time this year.

To paraphrase Johnny Olsen, "Y'all come on down!"

Mike Duke, K5XU
Shameless Promoter,
Jackson Mississippi Hamfest, 2013


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernie Doran" <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?


I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking 
I
might find some interesting AM gear.? ignoring the computer stuff, 
probably
only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice 
Heathkits, a
390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.? all could have been on a 
thirty
foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six deep, Jewerly, auto 
truck
repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record players, thousands of 
CDs, VHS
tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and jellies, slide projectors, 
bobble
heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, light strings and Christmas
decorations, and best of all, syringes beside minature digital scales!

There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want. 
It
looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and 
stinking of
cigarette smoke.? ? This pretty much indicated to me why we have a 
different
type of operator on the ham bands.? However, trying to be objective, 
Those
of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a short period of 
time, if
not now, be in the minority and it could be argued that we are in the 
wrong
and out of step.

This looked simply like a flea market.? ? And, yes, before anyone 
says, if
you did not like it, do not go again.? I certainly will not.

Is this typical?? ? Bernie? W8RPW

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From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com  Sun Feb 12 19:58:41 2012
From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:58:41 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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Hi Nigel and the others: It sounds like there may still be a few good ones 
left in the USA, shocking to hear that VK land has gone down the tubes also. 
Perhaps it is time for a 3rd world war to help cull the chaff. Guess the 
good thing is I will not be here in twenty years.  Turned 75 today.  sad, 
sad. I wonder what the future holds and will this reverse or completely 
collapse. ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nigel Holmes" <Holmes.Nigel at abc.net.au>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
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From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 19:59:54 2012
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:59:54 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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I'm saddend to hear that about Berryville;  My buddy and I make the long
trek each year for that fester, and it's always has a nice sampling of BA
gear.

I started going to Timonium in 2000 when I moved here, and I've seen it go
downhill steadily.   They will not allow any outdoor tailgating this year;
that's going to kill it I'm afraid.

73 Mark K3MSB

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Mike Sawyer <w3slk at verizon.net> wrote:

> HAMCATION and Deerfest are two of the exceptions I was referring to.
> Timonium, Gaithersburg, and MURGAS, just to name a few, fell into despair.
> Timonium and MURGAS, in an effort to attract other shoppers, (which may
> have
> begun the bleeding), turned to a 'flea style' hamfest. Gaithersburg lost
> its
> venue which is a shame because it had very little in the way of commercial
> dealers. Everything was tailgate. Although I haven't been there in a while,
> Berryville, VA I hear is still holding on but just by threads. Butler was
> always good but I haven't been there in sometime. I don't know, how is
> Rochester, NY holding out?
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
>
>
> I must say the HAMCATION in Orlando this past was excellent for boatanchor
> fans
>
> and little if any of what Bernie described
>
> 73
>
> Warren W1GUD
> FLAMGROUP.COM
>
>
>
>
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From w4bni at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 12 22:19:41 2012
From: w4bni at yahoo.com (alton young)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:19:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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sure miss you on chan 13 ......w4bni?? teco retiree

 

________________________________
 From: Warren Elly <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
  
I must say the HAMCATION in Orlando this past was excellent for boatanchor fans

and little if any of what Bernie described

73

Warren W1GUD 
FLAMGROUP.COM


On Feb 12, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Rick Poole wrote:

> At 06:33 PM 2/12/2012, Mike Sawyer wrote:
> 
>>>>>> 
>> Yep, Bernie I'm afraid it is. I would be willing to bet that there are some
>> exceptions out there but I've seen most of the good ones in this area
>> 'morph' into what you just described.
> <<<<<
> 
> Come on up to NEARfest in Deerfield, NH, May 4th and 5th.
> 
> So far, so good, we'll see...
> 
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Sun Feb 12 22:40:02 2012
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:40:02 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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Bernie:   Why didn't you call it by name?   Mansfield Hamfest  (OH) :-)

I was there with a table.  Been there for years.  As you said, it was a flea
market.  That's what all hamfests are and have been.  Now if you said
Ham convention, then that's a different matter.

I have always stuck to the radio gear, test equip and parts scenario, and
still do.  I sold a 6 meter AM transceiver (proper content for this list) ;-)
and a bunch of NOS Miller coils/xfmrs in original boxes, some soldering
stations, plus a heavy Model 28 KSR teletype (that was a swap and thankfully
I didn't have to carry it back out to the van!)

I admit that the dress of some of the characters looks worse than a Walmart
store, but that's just a reflection on our "dress down" society today.  I take
it in stride and say "to each his own."   60 percent of the hamfest is
chewing the rag with all the buzzards I've known over the last 40 years
and that's part of the fun.

Except for the icy cold WX and snow that showed up just for this weekend's
hamfest, (which may have kept the attendance a bit lower)  this annual
gathering has always been good.  No smoking is allowed on the premises
for the last ten years or so,  and that is a plus.

It's unfortunate you had a bad time today, but don't give up... wear your
"virtual" radio blinders and walk briskly by the non radio vendors,  stopping
only at those tables that have something that catches your eye.

Works for me!

73 and better days to ya,

Perry    w8au


At 06:24 PM 2/12/2012, Bernie Doran wrote:
>I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking I
>might find some interesting AM gear.  ignoring the computer stuff, probably
>only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice Heathkits, a
>390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.  all could have been on a thirty
>foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six deep, Jewerly, auto truck
>repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record players, thousands of CDs, VHS
>tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and jellies, slide projectors, bobble
>heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, light strings and Christmas
>decorations, and best of all, syringes beside minature digital scales!
>
>There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want.  It
>looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and stinking of
>cigarette smoke.    This pretty much indicated to me why we have a different
>type of operator on the ham bands.  However, trying to be objective, Those
>of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a short period of time, if
>not now, be in the minority and it could be argued that we are in the wrong
>and out of step.
>
>This looked simply like a flea market.    And, yes, before anyone says, if
>you did not like it, do not go again.  I certainly will not.
>
>Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW


From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 23:59:14 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:59:14 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm saddend to hear that about Berryville; ?My buddy and I make the long
> trek each year for that fester, and it's always has a nice sampling of BA
> gear.

Haven't been for a couple years, but it looked like it was doing okay
last time I was there. Definitely a good little 'fest with a high
'good stuff to junk' ratio.

> I started going to Timonium in 2000 when I moved here, and I've seen it go
> downhill steadily. ? They will not allow any outdoor tailgating this year;
> that's going to kill it I'm afraid.

Supposedly due to the tax collectors showing up (maybe you're the one
who relayed that to me, Mark?) and shaking down the folks selling
outside. I agree, considering the amount of junk inside the buildings
it'll likely be the death knell for that event.

NEAR-Fest does well because the folks who run it are active and
involved with amateur radio and enjoy it, as well as caring enough to
keep the junk out. Of the original 3 founders, 2 are AMers and the
other is a vintage gear buff. Of the nine current team members, 3 are
AMers (including our new media chief, W1GUD) and at least 2 others are
into old gear. One is into old military vehicles. I actually wrote up
the original draft guidelines for keeping things like computer
monitors and other junk out, and made sure we don't advertise any
recycling services on site, even when we have them there. This is an
open invitation to some to haul along whatever they want to get rid
of, including old portable saunas, air conditioners, and whatever
else.

Some junk still slips in, but we make note of it and if they're not
selling radio equipment or services directly related to it, they don't
come back as a seller. We're also not table nazis, walking around
checking every table to be sure it's all radio stuff. So long as they
are selling radio gear, we don't care if they have some tools or such
on the table as well. Just don't show up with a truckload of lawn
ornaments.

Unfortunately, some events judge their success by the number of tables
sold and allow in flea market types simply to fill up space, open more
buildings, etc. The successful events are successful because they know
folks come there for radio, not a yard sale. That's the group you
cater to, since without them you don't have a hamfest - you have a
flea market, garage sale, junk fest, or whatever else. It's all about
quality over quantity.

Those things combined with sellers who are tired of ebay fees and
shipping makes for a great event with plenty of gear old and new to
choose from. It does require some effort, though.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com  Mon Feb 13 08:59:23 2012
From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:59:23 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <20120213034006.E355A8A62A@mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Perry:  I did not use the name, as I thought I might be a little tactful. 
I also realize that I probably am considered  to be a dinosaur. 73 Bernie 
W8RPW
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <w8au at sssnet.com>
To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?


> Bernie:   Why didn't you call it by name?


From wa1rkt at arrl.net  Mon Feb 13 09:15:40 2012
From: wa1rkt at arrl.net (Rick Poole)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:15:40 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] OT: Request for new generator for Haiti (posted with
 permission)
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20120213090647.0443d2b0@rkt-tech.com>


The following is posted after asking and receiving prior permission 
from the group owner and moderators.

Since the devastating earthquake in Haiti in January of 2010, a few 
of us that hang out on 14.300 MHz have made it a project to provide 
as much assistance as we can to Father John (HH6JH), Father Fred 
(HH6OMI), and the Catholic church's Missionary Oblates of Mary 
Immaculate (OMI) order in Les Cayes, Haiti, about 80 miles southwest 
of Port au Prince.

Late this last week I received word from Father John that the 
generator at the main OMI compound in Les Cayes had died and can not 
be fixed (it is very old and the necessary parts are not 
available).  Power outages in Les Cayes are frequent and often 
lengthy, and they need their generator to keep a freezer and 
refrigerator running to prevent food spoilage, along with other 
normal power needs (lights, water pump, etc.).

It will cost US$6500 to replace their generator with a new generator 
purchased from a local dealer in Les Cayes.

Brother Augustin Cote at the OMI office and residence in Lowell, MA 
has set up a fund to receive tax-deductible donations for the Les 
Cayes generator.  Any monetary donations will be gratefully accepted 
and can be sent to the following address:

Oblate Foreign Missions
PO Box 9088
Lowell, MA 01853-9088.

Checks should be made out to "Oblate Foreign Missions" and in the 
Memo section of the check, write "Les Cayes Generator".

The Oblate Foreign Missions will send you a tax receipt that you may 
be able to use for a tax deduction depending on your tax situation.

I realize that some of you may question whether this is legitimate, 
and all I can suggest is that you contact me at wa1rkt (at) comcast 
(dot) net or 603-434-6994 and tell me what I need to do to verify to 
your satisfaction that it is legitimate.

Also, if you are so inclined, please join us on 14.300 MHz Intercon / 
MMSN, where you will find me most days.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help, and a special thanks to 
Brian, Todd, and Jim for allowing me to post this.

73,

Rick WA1RKT

Eric Poole
89 Old Nashua Road
Londonderry, NH 03053
603-434-6994


From wemccourt at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 13 10:34:47 2012
From: wemccourt at yahoo.com (Bill McCourt - WF1L)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:34:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <20120213034006.E355A8A62A@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1329147287.20289.YahooMailClassic@web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Guys,
?
While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you, they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that you talk to on the air but never see face to face.
?
I've gone to several hamfests where I've spent more on the admision than stuff to bring home and still had an enjoyable time.? Hamfests are not just about hardware.
?
BTW, the Berryville hamfest is still going strong as of last year and the Ruritan group's?barbeque lunch can not be beat.? 
?
Bill - WF1L
Reston, VA

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, w8au at sssnet.com <w8au at sssnet.com> wrote:


From: w8au at sssnet.com <w8au at sssnet.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 10:40 PM


Bernie:???Why didn't you call it by name????Mansfield Hamfest? (OH) :-)

I was there with a table.? Been there for years.? As you said, it was a flea
market.? That's what all hamfests are and have been.? Now if you said
Ham convention, then that's a different matter.

I have always stuck to the radio gear, test equip and parts scenario, and
still do.? I sold a 6 meter AM transceiver (proper content for this list) ;-)
and a bunch of NOS Miller coils/xfmrs in original boxes, some soldering
stations, plus a heavy Model 28 KSR teletype (that was a swap and thankfully
I didn't have to carry it back out to the van!)

I admit that the dress of some of the characters looks worse than a Walmart
store, but that's just a reflection on our "dress down" society today.? I take
it in stride and say "to each his own."???60 percent of the hamfest is
chewing the rag with all the buzzards I've known over the last 40 years
and that's part of the fun.

Except for the icy cold WX and snow that showed up just for this weekend's
hamfest, (which may have kept the attendance a bit lower)? this annual
gathering has always been good.? No smoking is allowed on the premises
for the last ten years or so,? and that is a plus.

It's unfortunate you had a bad time today, but don't give up... wear your
"virtual" radio blinders and walk briskly by the non radio vendors,? stopping
only at those tables that have something that catches your eye.

Works for me!

73 and better days to ya,

Perry? ? w8au


At 06:24 PM 2/12/2012, Bernie Doran wrote:
>I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking I
>might find some interesting AM gear.? ignoring the computer stuff, probably
>only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice Heathkits, a
>390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.? all could have been on a thirty
>foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six deep, Jewerly, auto truck
>repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record players, thousands of CDs, VHS
>tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and jellies, slide projectors, bobble
>heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, light strings and Christmas
>decorations, and best of all, syringes beside minature digital scales!
>
>There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want.? It
>looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and stinking of
>cigarette smoke.? ? This pretty much indicated to me why we have a different
>type of operator on the ham bands.? However, trying to be objective, Those
>of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a short period of time, if
>not now, be in the minority and it could be argued that we are in the wrong
>and out of step.
>
>This looked simply like a flea market.? ? And, yes, before anyone says, if
>you did not like it, do not go again.? I certainly will not.
>
>Is this typical?? ? Bernie? W8RPW

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From rbethman at comcast.net  Mon Feb 13 10:39:44 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:39:44 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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It was hit square on the head with the last post.

We still have a lot of radios and radio junque boxes under the tables at 
the Manassas hamfest.

There is some extraneous garbage, but the social gathering is still there.

Times have changed.

Bob - N0DGN


From k4kyv at charter.net  Mon Feb 13 13:03:43 2012
From: k4kyv at charter.net (D. Chester)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:03:43 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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I remember one of the best small hamfests I ever attended, in Chattanooga, 
TN back in the early 80s.  It was an outdoor affair, held in a parking  lot 
on campus at the University of TN @ Chattanooga. It was strictly a flea 
market affair; I don't recall any commercial vendors, and the whole thing 
was outdoors.  But they divided it into two distinct sections.  The main one 
was the ham radio flea market.  Loads of  parts and goodies and not too many 
plastic radios, computers, ad nauseam.  The other section, which had a 
barrier put up to clearly divide it from the main ham radio part, was an 
artsy-crafty type of  flea market, primarily designed to cater to the 
spouses and kids who came along with hams who attended the main event.

They even had a live rock band playing during the event.  Mostly mellow 
stuff, no heavy metal, grunge or hip-hop.  And the hamfest was right in 
front of the university cafeteria, which was open during the event.  Plate 
lunches consisting of real food at affordable prices, not typical hamfest 
slop.  The down  side was that it was in April, and the weather was a little 
too chilly for outdoor comfort.  The other down side for me was at the time 
I was a short on money, and had to pass up several items I would have taken 
home otherwise.

I thoroughly enjoyed it and looked forward to returning the following year. 
I thought it was a great idea, and that they had hit on something that would 
become notable as a  way to conduct a  hamfest.  Unfortunately, they 
changed the venue, and the next one was held indoors in a gymnasium or 
exhibition hall with no tail-gating outside, and became a typical indoor 
hamfest with a lot of plastic radio junk mixed in with non-radio items, but 
few goodies that weighed more than what one person could comfortably carry. 
I never went back to another one.

Don k4kyv
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From k6kwq at msn.com  Mon Feb 13 13:35:57 2012
From: k6kwq at msn.com (RICHARD GEORGE)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:35:57 +0000
Subject: [AMRadio] Ham fests
Message-ID: <COL112-W3256264607FFF13370E810F57F0@phx.gbl>





The old fort Tutt Hill swap and ham fest in Airazona was great!  Went to crap when they moved it to Willams. Have not been in the last few years not sure if they even have it anymore 		 	   		  

From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 13:42:40 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:42:40 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Bill McCourt - WF1L
<wemccourt at yahoo.com> wrote:

> While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you, they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that you talk to on the air but never see face to face.

Which, as we all get older, becomes more of what we enjoy about the
event. Right on the money, Bill.

There's a Friday night AM Dinner at NEAR-Fest along with breakfast
gatherings and the like, along with the typical jawing at the event.
If nothing else, a selling table provide a great place to rest, meet
up with friends, and perhaps even sell something if you're
so-inclined.

> I've gone to several hamfests where I've spent more on the admision than stuff to bring home and still had an enjoyable time.? Hamfests are not just about hardware.

Aside from a smaller number of folks who continue to discover the old
rigs of yesteryear, I'd guess that most of us have already found the
big stuff we're after and generally look for the odd part needed to
repair or complete a project. After all, we've been at it for decades.
Still, I seldom have a problem finding something I'm looking for at
any hamfest. A lot go there just too look and expect to see the same
stuff they saw ten, twenty, or thirty years ago(with the same prices,
too). It's still there, perhaps not in the same quantities, but if no
one buys it, where's the incentive for someone to haul a bunch of
heavy gear to sell? Sort of a Catch-22 situation.

It's definitely what you make it. If you have a local event that you
think could use improvement, by all means - jump in and help make it
better, or start an event that you'd like to attend. Or just go and
enjoy seeing folks. The alternative is to become one of those bitter
old guys who P&Ms about the good old days, how bad things are today,
and so on. He wouldn't buy a DX-100 if you had one on your table for a
reasonable price, but would go home and get online or on the air to
complain if he didn't see one at the 'fest. Thankfully they are few.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 14:03:13 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:03:13 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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Too bad you missed Orlando
Literally tons of boat anchors 
73

Warren 
W1gud
Www.flamgroup.com




On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:42 PM, "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Bill McCourt - WF1L
> <wemccourt at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you, they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that you talk to on the air but never see face to face.
> 
> Which, as we all get older, becomes more of what we enjoy about the
> event. Right on the money, Bill.
> 
> There's a Friday night AM Dinner at NEAR-Fest along with breakfast
> gatherings and the like, along with the typical jawing at the event.
> If nothing else, a selling table provide a great place to rest, meet
> up with friends, and perhaps even sell something if you're
> so-inclined.
> 
>> I've gone to several hamfests where I've spent more on the admision than stuff to bring home and still had an enjoyable time.  Hamfests are not just about hardware.
> 
> Aside from a smaller number of folks who continue to discover the old
> rigs of yesteryear, I'd guess that most of us have already found the
> big stuff we're after and generally look for the odd part needed to
> repair or complete a project. After all, we've been at it for decades.
> Still, I seldom have a problem finding something I'm looking for at
> any hamfest. A lot go there just too look and expect to see the same
> stuff they saw ten, twenty, or thirty years ago(with the same prices,
> too). It's still there, perhaps not in the same quantities, but if no
> one buys it, where's the incentive for someone to haul a bunch of
> heavy gear to sell? Sort of a Catch-22 situation.
> 
> It's definitely what you make it. If you have a local event that you
> think could use improvement, by all means - jump in and help make it
> better, or start an event that you'd like to attend. Or just go and
> enjoy seeing folks. The alternative is to become one of those bitter
> old guys who P&Ms about the good old days, how bad things are today,
> and so on. He wouldn't buy a DX-100 if you had one on your table for a
> reasonable price, but would go home and get online or on the air to
> complain if he didn't see one at the 'fest. Thankfully they are few.
> 
> ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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From manualman at juno.com  Mon Feb 13 14:21:38 2012
From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:21:38 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
Message-ID: <20120213.112203.1661.121859@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>

Many locally named "hamfests" (aka XYZ Hamfest) are nothing more then
glorified flea markets where local radio enthusiasts and amateurs can
sell, swap, or give-away stuff they no longer need. However, many times
spouses and children also attend these events, and vendors look to them
as a possible buyer prospect, hence the variety of stuff on many tables.
Further, many radio enthusiasts (amateurs, CB'ers, antique radio
collectors, audio nuts, etc.) also may have other hobby or collectable
interests that might appeal to what you have on your vendor table(s).
Over the last several years at Dayton, I always bring some trains or
railroad memorabilia Generally, within the first three hours of the first
selling day, it's all gone to new homes. CB transceivers are a great
source of parts and some are easily modifiable to cover some amateur
bands. Computer stuff is far more relevant today in the amateur radio
world then it was 10 to 20 years ago, so having vendors sell this type of
stuff is great. Amateur radio and flea market activities don't just
revolve around boatanchors and boatanchor parts.

And, some vendors do participate in the amateur bonding and belly bumping
that many who attend flea markets seem to crave and who are there for no
other purpose.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:24:44 -0500 "Bernie Doran"
<qedconsultants at embarqmail.com> writes:
> I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking 
> I 
> might find some interesting AM gear.  ignoring the computer stuff, 
> probably 
> only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice 
> Heathkits, a 
> 390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.  all could have been on a 
> thirty 
> foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six deep, Jewerly, 
> auto truck 
> repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record players, thousands of 
> CDs, VHS 
> tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and jellies, slide projectors, 
> bobble 
> heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, light strings and Christmas 
> decorations, and best of all, syringes beside minature digital 
> scales!
> 
> There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want. 
>  It 
> looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and 
> stinking of 
> cigarette smoke.    This pretty much indicated to me why we have a 
> different 
> type of operator on the ham bands.  However, trying to be objective, 
> Those 
> of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a short period of 
> time, if 
> not now, be in the minority and it could be argued that we are in 
> the wrong 
> and out of step.
> 
> This looked simply like a flea market.    And, yes, before anyone 
> says, if 
> you did not like it, do not go again.  I certainly will not.
> 
> Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW 

From rbethman at comcast.net  Mon Feb 13 14:45:03 2012
From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:45:03 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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Most of the computer junk that turns up is so old and outdated that the 
only use might be for logging.

The rest is just plain junk, and would bring someone more if they 
collected it for recycling precious metals.

Cut off the gold contacts, and take them to a scrap yard.  Or, many 
communities are collecting these and other electronics devices that no 
longer serve useful purposes, and sell them to put $$ in Municipal coffers.

Thereby less tax increases.

Bob - N0DGN

On 2/13/2012 2:21 PM, manualman at juno.com wrote:
>   Computer stuff is far more relevant today in the amateur radio
> world then it was 10 to 20 years ago, so having vendors sell this type of
> stuff is great. Amateur radio and flea market activities don't just
> revolve around boatanchors and boatanchor parts.
>
>
> Pete, wa2cwa
>

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 13 17:41:49 2012
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:41:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Hamfest and AM'ers
Message-ID: <1329172909.42069.YahooMailClassic@web161206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

While hamfests can take on a carnival atmosphere, especially with the shapes of people and the fellows with 5 HT's hanging off them or a hard hat with a whip antenna, there are some folks there in earnest looking for that one piece to complete their treasure.? It can also an avenue for folks to reminisce about gear they owned when they look at it on your sell table, and then tell you what a piece of junk it was when they had it when it was new.? After listening to their comments it doesn't take long to realize many of those folks would look down the barrel of a gun to see if it was loaded.

The one thing that is quite evident though, is that ham that is looking for that one last piece is usually much older than the normal attendees.?   Unless there is a group of folks waiting in the que who want to learn and appreciate 'the old way' of tubes and amplitude modulation, or the newer ways like Class E, this is a dying art.? In the book, '200 Meters and Down', there is a great observation that the hams of the day had a thirst for knowledge and understanding of radio and propagation. Ham radio is evolving into a low level of understanding or interest of how things work.  I'm afraid one day, folks will open the box to their new transceiver, and the license will be included. 

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From ne1s at securespeed.us  Mon Feb 13 19:20:18 2012
From: ne1s at securespeed.us (ne1s at securespeed.us)
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>
> Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW
>

Not here in New England, thankfully.

73,
-Larry/NE1S


From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com  Mon Feb 13 19:58:54 2012
From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:58:54 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Bill McCourt - WF1L
<wemccourt at yahoo.com> wrote:

> While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you, 
> they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that 
> you talk to on the air but never see face to face.

Which, as we all get older, becomes more of what we enjoy about the
event. Right on the money, Bill.

There's a Friday night AM Dinner at NEAR-Fest along with breakfast
gatherings and the like, along with the typical jawing at the event.
If nothing else, a selling table provide a great place to rest, meet
up with friends, and perhaps even sell something if you're
so-inclined.

> I've gone to several hamfests where I've spent more on the admision than 
> stuff to bring home and still had an enjoyable time. Hamfests are not just 
> about hardware.

Aside from a smaller number of folks who continue to discover the old
rigs of yesteryear, I'd guess that most of us have already found the
big stuff we're after and generally look for the odd part needed to
repair or complete a project. After all, we've been at it for decades.
Still, I seldom have a problem finding something I'm looking for at
any hamfest. A lot go there just too look and expect to see the same
stuff they saw ten, twenty, or thirty years ago(with the same prices,
too). It's still there, perhaps not in the same quantities, but if no
one buys it, where's the incentive for someone to haul a bunch of
heavy gear to sell? Sort of a Catch-22 situation.

It's definitely what you make it. If you have a local event that you
think could use improvement, by all means - jump in and help make it
better, or start an event that you'd like to attend. Or just go and
enjoy seeing folks. The alternative is to become one of those bitter
old guys who P&Ms about the good old days, how bad things are today,
and so on. He wouldn't buy a DX-100 if you had one on your table for a
reasonable price, but would go home and get online or on the air to
complain if he didn't see one at the 'fest. Thankfully they are few.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com  Mon Feb 13 20:03:04 2012
From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:03:04 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] compact lamp bulbs
Message-ID: <DFD8CD4E3E854471914E3BC54DD3E243@computerPC>

I was looking at some GE compact fluorescents today and on the back it said do not use near critical communication devices in the frequency range of .45 to 30 MC.  Also I have been dating mine and find that they rarely last one year. Bernie

From w5omr at att.net  Mon Feb 13 20:39:36 2012
From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:39:36 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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On 2/13/2012 6:58 PM, Bernie Doran wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ"<ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Bill McCourt - WF1L
> <wemccourt at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you,
>> they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that
>> you talk to on the air but never see face to face.
> Which, as we all get older, becomes more of what we enjoy about the
> event. Right on the money, Bill.
>
> There's a Friday night AM Dinner at NEAR-Fest along with breakfast
> gatherings and the like, along with the typical jawing at the event.
> If nothing else, a selling table provide a great place to rest, meet
> up with friends, and perhaps even sell something if you're
> so-inclined.
>

The "Belton Hamfest" is like that.  RV's start showing up in the Bell 
County Expo Center, in Belton, TX as early as Wednesday.  Old timers, 
mostly, who are out RV'ing and enjoying visiting and putting faces with 
voices.  Most of the 'early' crew gets there Friday morning, a BBQ pit 
is cranked up, more hams show up, yarns are spun, more hams show up, 
deals are made, more hams show up,  hands are shook, more hams show up, 
hugs to the women that allow that sort of social thing.. instruments are 
brought and played into the evening, more hams show up and the Majority 
of the 'attendee's' show up on Saturday morning.

New radios, old radios, CB radios, Microwave radios, Antique radios, 
keys, paddles, and yes, there are yarn kits and necklaces... there are 
some vendors inside and a usually well represented tail-gate out where 
the BBQ pit is.

The Temple ARC (who runs the show) nails it when they call Belton the 
"Friendliest Hamfest in the State of Texas!"



From AAR7IR at Hotmail.Com  Mon Feb 13 20:43:25 2012
From: AAR7IR at Hotmail.Com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?WA=D8STX/4?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:43:25 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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Can someone tell me when the Berryville hamfest is?  

Regards, 
John WA?STX/4


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill McCourt - WF1L [mailto:wemccourt at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:35 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?

Guys,
?
While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you,
they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that
you talk to on the air but never see face to face.
?
I've gone to several hamfests where I've spent more on the admision than
stuff to bring home and still had an enjoyable time.? Hamfests are not just
about hardware.
?
BTW, the Berryville hamfest is still going strong as of last year and the
Ruritan group's?barbeque lunch can not be beat.? 
?
Bill - WF1L
Reston, VA

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, w8au at sssnet.com <w8au at sssnet.com> wrote:


From: w8au at sssnet.com <w8au at sssnet.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 10:40 PM


Bernie:???Why didn't you call it by name????Mansfield Hamfest? (OH) :-)

I was there with a table.? Been there for years.? As you said, it was a flea
market.? That's what all hamfests are and have been.? Now if you said Ham
convention, then that's a different matter.

I have always stuck to the radio gear, test equip and parts scenario, and
still do.? I sold a 6 meter AM transceiver (proper content for this list)
;-) and a bunch of NOS Miller coils/xfmrs in original boxes, some soldering
stations, plus a heavy Model 28 KSR teletype (that was a swap and thankfully
I didn't have to carry it back out to the van!)

I admit that the dress of some of the characters looks worse than a Walmart
store, but that's just a reflection on our "dress down" society today.? I
take it in stride and say "to each his own."???60 percent of the hamfest is
chewing the rag with all the buzzards I've known over the last 40 years and
that's part of the fun.

Except for the icy cold WX and snow that showed up just for this weekend's
hamfest, (which may have kept the attendance a bit lower)? this annual
gathering has always been good.? No smoking is allowed on the premises for
the last ten years or so,? and that is a plus.

It's unfortunate you had a bad time today, but don't give up... wear your
"virtual" radio blinders and walk briskly by the non radio vendors,?
stopping only at those tables that have something that catches your eye.

Works for me!

73 and better days to ya,

Perry? ? w8au


At 06:24 PM 2/12/2012, Bernie Doran wrote:
>I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking I 
>might find some interesting AM gear.? ignoring the computer stuff, 
>probably only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice 
>Heathkits, a 390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.? all could have 
>been on a thirty foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six 
>deep, Jewerly, auto truck repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record 
>players, thousands of CDs, VHS tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and 
>jellies, slide projectors, bobble heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, 
>light strings and Christmas decorations, and best of all, syringes beside
minature digital scales!
>
>There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want.? 
>It looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and 
>stinking of cigarette smoke.? ? This pretty much indicated to me why we 
>have a different type of operator on the ham bands.? However, trying to 
>be objective, Those of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a 
>short period of time, if not now, be in the minority and it could be 
>argued that we are in the wrong and out of step.
>
>This looked simply like a flea market.? ? And, yes, before anyone says, 
>if you did not like it, do not go again.? I certainly will not.
>
>Is this typical?? ? Bernie? W8RPW

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From w3slk at verizon.net  Mon Feb 13 20:48:16 2012
From: w3slk at verizon.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:48:16 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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Used to be the first Sunday in August if memory serves me.
Mod-U-Lator,
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Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?


Can someone tell me when the Berryville hamfest is?

Regards,
John WA?STX/4





From ken at savage99.com  Mon Feb 13 20:48:53 2012
From: ken at savage99.com (Ken)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:48:53 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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On 2/13/2012 8:43 PM, WA?STX/4 wrote:
> Can someone tell me when the Berryville hamfest is?
>
> Regards,
> John WA?STX/4
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill McCourt - WF1L [mailto:wemccourt at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:35 AM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
>
> Guys,
>   
> While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you,
> they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that
> you talk to on the air but never see face to face.
>   
> I've gone to several hamfests where I've spent more on the admision than
> stuff to bring home and still had an enjoyable time.  Hamfests are not just
> about hardware.
>   
> BTW, the Berryville hamfest is still going strong as of last year and the
> Ruritan group's barbeque lunch can not be beat. 
>   
> Bill - WF1L
> Reston, VA
>
> --- On Sun, 2/12/12, w8au at sssnet.com<w8au at sssnet.com>  wrote:
>
>
> From: w8au at sssnet.com<w8au at sssnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 10:40 PM
>
>
> Bernie:   Why didn't you call it by name?   Mansfield Hamfest  (OH) :-)
>
> I was there with a table.  Been there for years.  As you said, it was a flea
> market.  That's what all hamfests are and have been.  Now if you said Ham
> convention, then that's a different matter.
>
> I have always stuck to the radio gear, test equip and parts scenario, and
> still do.  I sold a 6 meter AM transceiver (proper content for this list)
> ;-) and a bunch of NOS Miller coils/xfmrs in original boxes, some soldering
> stations, plus a heavy Model 28 KSR teletype (that was a swap and thankfully
> I didn't have to carry it back out to the van!)
>
> I admit that the dress of some of the characters looks worse than a Walmart
> store, but that's just a reflection on our "dress down" society today.  I
> take it in stride and say "to each his own."   60 percent of the hamfest is
> chewing the rag with all the buzzards I've known over the last 40 years and
> that's part of the fun.
>
> Except for the icy cold WX and snow that showed up just for this weekend's
> hamfest, (which may have kept the attendance a bit lower)  this annual
> gathering has always been good.  No smoking is allowed on the premises for
> the last ten years or so,  and that is a plus.
>
> It's unfortunate you had a bad time today, but don't give up... wear your
> "virtual" radio blinders and walk briskly by the non radio vendors, 
> stopping only at those tables that have something that catches your eye.
>
> Works for me!
>
> 73 and better days to ya,
>
> Perry    w8au
>
>
> At 06:24 PM 2/12/2012, Bernie Doran wrote:
>> I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking I
>> might find some interesting AM gear.  ignoring the computer stuff,
>> probably only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice
>> Heathkits, a 390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.  all could have
>> been on a thirty foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six
>> deep, Jewerly, auto truck repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record
>> players, thousands of CDs, VHS tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and
>> jellies, slide projectors, bobble heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges,
>> light strings and Christmas decorations, and best of all, syringes beside
> minature digital scales!
>> There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want. 
>> It looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and
>> stinking of cigarette smoke.    This pretty much indicated to me why we
>> have a different type of operator on the ham bands.  However, trying to
>> be objective, Those of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a
>> short period of time, if not now, be in the minority and it could be
>> argued that we are in the wrong and out of step.
>>
>> This looked simply like a flea market.    And, yes, before anyone says,
>> if you did not like it, do not go again.  I certainly will not.
>>
>> Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW
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From donc at martineer.net  Mon Feb 13 21:12:19 2012
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:12:19 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] compact lamp bulbs
References: <DFD8CD4E3E854471914E3BC54DD3E243@computerPC>
Message-ID: <19F878A423D94CBCA8361711BCF836E4@DON>

Yeah, same short life here, Bernie.  They don't seem to like my sometimes 
rapidly changing rural voltage!!

  Also, not as "friendly" in the local landfill as the old glass they 
replaced.  Although I have been lucky, and don't find them to be 
interference (yet), I'm sure they will be as they become cheaper. 
Progress????
73,
Don, WB5HAK 


From wrl at gwltd.com  Mon Feb 13 21:15:18 2012
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield W9WRL)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:15:18 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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http://www.shenvalarc.org/hamfest


You can look up most all hamfests at arrl.org

W9WRL

WA?STX/4 wrote:
> Can someone tell me when the Berryville hamfest is?  
>
> Regards, 
> John WA?STX/4
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill McCourt - WF1L [mailto:wemccourt at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:35 AM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
>
> Guys,
>  
> While I bemoan the loss of quality "junque" at hamfests with all of you,
> they are still a great place to socialize and meet some of the folks that
> you talk to on the air but never see face to face.
>  
> I've gone to several hamfests where I've spent more on the admision than
> stuff to bring home and still had an enjoyable time.  Hamfests are not just
> about hardware.
>  
> BTW, the Berryville hamfest is still going strong as of last year and the
> Ruritan group's barbeque lunch can not be beat.  
>  
> Bill - WF1L
> Reston, VA
>
> --- On Sun, 2/12/12, w8au at sssnet.com <w8au at sssnet.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: w8au at sssnet.com <w8au at sssnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 10:40 PM
>
>
> Bernie:   Why didn't you call it by name?   Mansfield Hamfest  (OH) :-)
>
> I was there with a table.  Been there for years.  As you said, it was a flea
> market.  That's what all hamfests are and have been.  Now if you said Ham
> convention, then that's a different matter.
>
> I have always stuck to the radio gear, test equip and parts scenario, and
> still do.  I sold a 6 meter AM transceiver (proper content for this list)
> ;-) and a bunch of NOS Miller coils/xfmrs in original boxes, some soldering
> stations, plus a heavy Model 28 KSR teletype (that was a swap and thankfully
> I didn't have to carry it back out to the van!)
>
> I admit that the dress of some of the characters looks worse than a Walmart
> store, but that's just a reflection on our "dress down" society today.  I
> take it in stride and say "to each his own."   60 percent of the hamfest is
> chewing the rag with all the buzzards I've known over the last 40 years and
> that's part of the fun.
>
> Except for the icy cold WX and snow that showed up just for this weekend's
>
> hamfest, (which may have kept the attendance a bit lower)  this annual
> gathering has always been good.  No smoking is allowed on the premises for
> the last ten years or so,  and that is a plus.
>
> It's unfortunate you had a bad time today, but don't give up... wear your
> "virtual" radio blinders and walk briskly by the non radio vendors, 
> stopping only at those tables that have something that catches your eye.
>
> Works for me!
>
> 73 and better days to ya,
>
> Perry    w8au
>
>
> At 06:24 PM 2/12/2012, Bernie Doran wrote:
>   
>> I went to my first hamfest/computer show in many years today thinking I 
>> might find some interesting AM gear.  ignoring the computer stuff, 
>> probably only 20%. I saw a nice Halicrafters rx, about ten or so nice 
>> Heathkits, a 390A, perhaps 20 modern ssb transceivers.  all could have 
>>     
>
>   
>> been on a thirty foot table. What else? CB transceivers stacked six 
>> deep, Jewerly, auto truck repair manuals, tire tools, dozens of record 
>> players, thousands of CDs, VHS tapes etc. stuffed animals, candles and 
>> jellies, slide projectors, bobble heads, hundreds of ink jet cartriges, 
>> light strings and Christmas decorations, and best of all, syringes beside
>>     
>
> minature digital scales!
>   
>> There probably were 400 people there so this must be what they want.  
>> It looked like Wal Mart, 400 pounders waddling back and forth and 
>> stinking of cigarette smoke.    This pretty much indicated to me why we 
>> have a different type of operator on the ham bands.  However, trying to 
>> be objective, Those of us who at least try to be polite, may well in a 
>> short period of time, if not now, be in the minority and it could be 
>> argued that we are in the wrong and out of step.
>>
>> This looked simply like a flea market.    And, yes, before anyone says, 
>> if you did not like it, do not go again.  I certainly will not.
>>
>> Is this typical?    Bernie  W8RPW
>>     
>
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From donc at martineer.net  Mon Feb 13 21:36:32 2012
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:36:32 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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I sure agree that Belton is about the friendliest hamfest I have EVER 
attended.  I don't go very often, as it is a 5 hour drive one way, but I am 
treated well when I do.  It is also unique in that you drive your vehicle 
inside and actually tailgate inside, unless that has changed!!!  Less 
loading and unloading of heavy items.  I hope to get to go this spring for 
the first time in a few years.

By contrast, Ham Comm, in years past a HUGE hamfest in Irving, TX at a 
spacious facility with friendly folks has moved to Plano in a VERY crowded 
facility and hired fat security guard wannabees to keep the crowd "in line" 
for some unknown reason, and has made it a joke as a "friendly ham venue". 
The facility change was supposedly due to hams screaming about the parking 
fees at the former one.  Any real hamfesting going on there is definitely in 
the parking lot, and that is an equally small area.  I'll not waste my 
time/money going there again just to be pushed around and then not find any 
"real gear" for sale.

Are there any good "heavy metal" hamfests within reasonable driving distance 
of Southwestern Oklahoma/North Texas other than Belton??
73,
Don, WB5HAK 


From w5omr at att.net  Mon Feb 13 21:49:30 2012
From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:49:30 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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> Are there any good "heavy metal" hamfests within reasonable driving 
> distance of Southwestern Oklahoma/North Texas other than Belton?? 

I remember seeing some boat-anchor stuff at the Claremore, OK fest, but 
that's been easily 10 years ago.




From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 21:53:12 2012
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:53:12 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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2 or 3 years ago at Dayton there was some guy with a bunch of FM
Optimods for sale.  I laughed at him and asked him what ham would want
a FM Optimod?   The next day he had sold all of them, to broadcasters
who were there so he had the last laugh.

With one exception I avoid indoor hamfests because they usually do not
have anything big and heavy for sale.  No one wants to schlep a 120
lb. rig or transformer across a parking lot and into a building to set
on a table.   And, no buyer wants to haul it back outside through the
slush to his car.   They are fine for plenty of other things that are
small and lightweight like tubes, and parts that don't weigh much and
maybe some receivers and small transmitters.  But if I drive a long
way I want to get the fairgrounds/pickup truck flea market experience.

Rob
K5UJ

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:21 PM,  <manualman at juno.com> wrote:

> Over the last several years at Dayton, I always bring some trains or
> railroad memorabilia Generally, within the first three hours of the first
> selling day, it's all gone to new homes.

From donc at martineer.net  Mon Feb 13 21:53:34 2012
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:53:34 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
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I'm going there too, hopefully, this year.  I haven't been there in a few 
years either.  I don't remember any boatanchor stuff, but I wasn't 
interested in AM at that point either, so may not have been looking at the 
right tables, Geoff.  Thanks for reminding me.
73,
Don 


From w5omr at att.net  Mon Feb 13 21:54:03 2012
From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:54:03 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <4454B6BDF8E64136AA2C0E358A8FEBE6@DON>
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On 2/13/2012 8:36 PM, Don Cunningham wrote:
> I sure agree that Belton is about the friendliest hamfest I have EVER
> attended.  I don't go very often, as it is a 5 hour drive one way, but I am
> treated well when I do.  It is also unique in that you drive your vehicle
> inside and actually tailgate inside, unless that has changed!!!  Less
> loading and unloading of heavy items.  I hope to get to go this spring for
> the first time in a few years.
>
>

Inside is where the tables are, or "premium" spaces where you can park 
your vehicle and sell from a trailer, or the back of your SUV.  Inside 
is also where the dealers (limited) are.  Outside is where the 
tail-gating and bbq happens.

Get busy now, Don, and make reservations at an area hotel and spend a 
leisurely Friday driving down.  I'm seriously thinking about taking 
Friday off and driving to San Antonio Thursday after work, then up on 
Friday, to get there around 11am'ish.



From AAR7IR at Hotmail.Com  Mon Feb 13 21:59:00 2012
From: AAR7IR at Hotmail.Com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?WA=D8STX/4?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:59:00 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] hamfest?
In-Reply-To: <32612E34BE78435095622C942A14B232@FAMILY>
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Thanks 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Sawyer [mailto:w3slk at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:48 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?

Used to be the first Sunday in August if memory serves me.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WA?STX/4" <AAR7IR at Hotmail.Com>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] hamfest?


Can someone tell me when the Berryville hamfest is?

Regards,
John WA?STX/4





From adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 22:23:01 2012
From: adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com (Adrian Flynn)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:23:01 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Ham fests
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References: <COL112-W3256264607FFF13370E810F57F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAOtbafF_PQQZg1Yzp+cp3L1EtHgUV-Anossh4osUoOXTXAM_9A@mail.gmail.com>

It was still there in 2009 as that is where I took my Technician exam.
73
Adrian KF7DYU

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:35 PM, RICHARD GEORGE <k6kwq at msn.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> The old fort Tutt Hill swap and ham fest in Airazona was great!  Went to
> crap when they moved it to Willams. Have not been in the last few years not
> sure if they even have it anymore
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From w5omr at att.net  Tue Feb 14 06:29:24 2012
From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:29:24 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Amateur Radio Newsline Report 1800
Message-ID: <4F3A4594.9010306@att.net>

Nothing in here about AM, specifically, but it -all- about Ham Radio.
Newsline is celebrating it's 18,000th report.
I beg from  the moderators a little leniency for this special event.

-Geoff/W5OMR




Amateur Radio Newsline Report 1800 - February 10 2012

Amateur Radio Newsline report number 1800 with a release
date of February 10th, 2012 to follow in 3-2-1.

The following is a Q-S-T.  Ham radio activates after a
killer earthquake hits the Philippines; some good news out
of WRC 12; new rules about United States ham radio operation
on 60 meters take effect on March 5th and CQ Magazine's
Editor says that ham radio use of the Morse Code is still
alive and well in an era of no-code licensing.  Find out the
details are on Amateur Radio Newsline anniversary report
number 1800 coming your way right now.


(Billboard Cart Here)


**

RESCUE RADIO:  HAM RADIO RESPONDS TO PHILIPPINE QUAKE

Rescuers assisted by armed forces are hard at work searching
for survivors in the quake hit central Philippines.  The 6.8
temblor shook the country on Monday, February 6th.  At least
56 are confirmed dead and thousands are homeless.  And soon
after the shaking ended ham radio operators were asked to
provide what appears to be a first response effort.  We have
more in this report:

--

Most of the information to date comes from Jim Linton,
VK3PC, who is the Chairman of the IARU Region 3 Disaster
Communication Committee.  Jim reports that the after effects
continue across the central Philippines after the magnitude
6.8 earthquake struck triggering numerous landslides and
other devastation.

Linton notes that Eddie Valdez, DU1EV, is the Chief
Operating Officer for IARU society PARA.  Valdez says that
ham radio operators are now active in communications
assistance, especially those near the quake's epicenter in
the DU7 and DU6 call areas. They have chosen to mainly use
the VHF and UHF bands for in-country communications. With
phone communications cut, the services they are providing
include message handling, reporting on widespread power
outages as well as other infrastructure damage.

Meantime Radio Amateurs of Canada reports getting a message
from a shortwave listener in Taiwan.  He notes that 7 point
095 MHz on 40 meter Lower Sideband is also in use for
emergency communications into and out of the Philippines.

This latest disaster come on the heels of a series of
typhoons that swept the Southern Philippines last December.
Those storms brought with them a heavy loss of lives and
severe property damage.  In that scenario, radio amateurs
were called on to become that nations communications front
line.

For the Amateur radio Newsline, I'm Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF,
in the Newsroom in Los Angeles.  Jim.

--

As we go to air aftershocks are continuing and the
Philippine ham radio community remains on the job as an
important first line of search, rescue and quake relief
communications.  (VK3PC, DU1EV, RAC)

**

RADIO LAW:  A HAM RADIO ALLOCATION AT 500 KHZ COMES A STEP
CLOSER

A ham radio allocation neat 500 KHz has taken another step
closer to becoming a reality.  According to several reports
out of WRC 12 being held in Geneva, Switzerland, Working
Group 4 has approved an agenda item that calls for a
worldwide secondary allocation to the Amateur Service from
472 to 479 kHz and has sent it on to the full assembly
called the Plenary for its consideration.

There are some restrictions which come with this action.
Power output is limited to an effective one watt but would
permit nations that are more than 800 Kilometers from an
Aeronautical Service non-directional beacon to permit hams
up to five watts effective radiated.  Either way, ham radio
operators must not interfere with any other spectrum user
holding a primary status in that band.

Hat said, this is far from a done deal.  Next up is two
separate presentations or readings of this proposal before
the Plenary session of all nations taking part in the world
wide communications law making process.  There, footnotes to
the proposal can be added by any administration that has a
representative at the conference.

While there is still a lot of work to take place before WRC
12 ends, at least near 500 KHz, there appears to be some
light at the end of the proverbial tunnel in the matter of a
new super low frequency ham radio band.  We should know for
certain by this time next week.  (Various WRC 2012 Reports)

**

RADIO LAW:  NEW 5 MHZ RULES GO INTO EFFECT ON MARCH 5

In the United States, word that the new rules governing ham
radio operations in the 5 MHz or 60 meter spectrum take
effect on March 5th.  This after a notice to that affect
appeared in the February 3rd edition of the United States
Federal Register.

As previously reported, last November the FCC released a
Report and Order detailing new rules for the 5 MHz Amateur
Radio band.

The announcement brought with it a number of changes for 60
meter operators.  This included substituting a channel at 5
point 358 point 5 MHz for 5 point 368 MHz previously
authorized.  The effective radiated limit in the 60 meter
band will be raised by 3 dB to 100 Watts Peak Envelope Power
relative to a half-wave dipole.  Also, three additional
emission types are authorized.  These are Data, RTTY and CW.

Currently, amateur radio in the United States holds a
secondary allocation for 5 MHz and ham radio operations must
not cause any interference to the primary users of that
band.  These include fixed service, as well as mobile
stations authorized by the telecommunications regulators  of
other sovereign nations.  Access in the United States to the
channelized 60 meter spectrum is limited to holders of
General class or high FCC license grants.  You can read the
entire Federal Register item explaining the 5 MHz changes at
tinyurl.com/6wzsfjm  (FCC)

**

HAM RADIO IN SPACE: SUMBANDILASAT MAY LIVE AGAIN

 >From South Africa comes word that the SumbandilaSat amateur
radio payload may resume operation in the near future.  This
according to the South African Radio League which says that
a combination of ingenuity and innovation by the satellite
payloads ground control team has resulted in bringing the
ham radio functions back to life.  Amateur Radio Newsline's
Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has the latest:

--

A statement issued by South Africa AMSAT and released by the
South African Radio League says that there is a real
possibility that communication through SumbandilaSat may
resume next month while the satellite is in sunlight.
Here's the back story:

According to Johann Lochner, ZR1CBC, last June the primary
controller on the power distribution unit for the On-Board
Computer stopped responding to commands from the ground.
While the exact cause has never been determined it appears
likely that this failure was related to a major solar
radiation event on June 7th.

It later appeared that the battery had also failed and
nothing was heard from the satellite for some time.  In the
meantime the ground station operation to monitor for
SumbandilaSat on passes over South Africa and to begin any
recovery procedure was automated.

After a month of trying contact was made with SumbandilaSat.
That was last November and the control team set in place a
planned recovery procedure.  It took about 4 days to
discover that the main battery had indeed failed with
SumbandilaSat responding only when it's solar panels were in
full sunlight.

The ground stations at the South Africa National Space
Agency's  operations center at and the Electronic Systems
Laboratory at Stellenbosch University are now receiving
telemetry when the satellite's solar panels are illuminated
by the sun.  As a result, Lochner is confident that some
operations will be restored even to the point where it may
be possible to have the amateur radio transponder back in
operation within a reasonable time frame.

The bottom line is that while the overall space-frame has
been written off by South Africa's SunSpace, the
SumbandilaSat ham radio payload may be usable whenever the
bird is illuminated by the Sun.  In the world of ham radio
space operations having that kind of service is far better
than having nothing at all.

For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Norm Seeley, KI7UP, in
Scottsdle, Arizona.

--

More on SumbandilaSat recovery efforts are on line at
www.amsatsa.org.za.  (SARL)

**

BREAK 1

 >From the United States of America, We are the Amateur Radio
Newsline, heard on bulletin stations around the world
including radio station CHNW on 88.7 FM serving the city of
Westminister, near Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

(5 sec pause here)


**

RADIO LAW:  PROPOSED MOBILE CELLPHONE LAW COULD END HAM
RADIO MOBILE OPERATIONS IN ILLINOIS

Proposed laws introduced into both houses of the Illinois
legislature could severely impact on mobile operation by
hams, C-B operators and even long-haul truckers passing
through that state.  Matthew Chambers, NR0QQ, has the
details:

--

New legislation has been introduced into the Illinois House
that will have a significant impact on the mobile use of
amateur radio transceivers within the state.

House Bill 3970 introduced by Democrat Representative Karen
May would ban use of all electronic communication devices
with the limited exceptions of those in a hands-free or
voice-activated mode and for law-enforcement and operators
of emergency vehicles or parked vehicles.

Not included in that bill is any exceptions for two way
radios or amateur radios. That would in effect ban all
amateur and CB / GMRS / FRS activity in vehicles in
Illinois.

Also introduced into the Illinois House is House Bill 3972
by Democrat Representative John D'Amico that is identical to
HB 3970.

As the legislative sessions are getting into full swing
across the nation, here at the Amateur Radio Newsline we
will be watching closely as more cell phone bills are being
introduced that may affect the mobile use of amateur
transceivers.

For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Matthew Chambers NR0Q.

--

As we go to air, efforts are being made from within the
amateur radio community to obtain exclusion for mobile ham
radio operations, but the wording of the two measures may
make that very hard to accomplish.   (NR0Q)

**

ENFORCEMENT: COLLEGE STATION GIVES UP LICENSE FOR NET ONLY
OPERATION

Yet another college radio station has gone QRT.  Amateur
Radio Newsline's Stephen Kinford, N8WB, reports:

--

Paul Smiths College in Adirondack Park, New York, has
relinquished its Class D FM broadcast license for its campus
radio station WPSA FM.  The school had been facing problems
keeping it on the air that came from a series of FCC
Monetary Forfeiture Orders over the late renewal of the
station license in 2006 as well as lack of interest from the
student body in the stations operation.

WPSA reportedly operated at around 10 watts with a service
radius of two miles that covered little more than the
campus.  Its problems began when its license was cancelled
by the FCC and the call sign deleted.  Two years later, the
college filed a Petition for Reconsideration and had it
reinstated.  Following the late renewal in 2006, the FCC
issued a Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture in the
amount of $7,000 fine for unauthorized operation of a radio
station after the license had expired.

Adding to the situation was a seeming loss of interest by
its potential audience.  According to the schools
coordinator for student activities, students were part of
the decision to give up the broadcast license.  She said
that no one wanted to participate in it and that it had very
few listeners.

The spokesperson added that it appears the trend these days
is that the students are on-line rather than listening on
the airways.

For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Stephen Kinford, N8WB,
reporting.

--

WPSA will live on but without a transmitter or antenna.
Current plans are to bring it back to life, but as a
strictly online entity. (RW)

**

COMMUNICATIONS LAW:  FCC CHAIRMAN EMBRACES DIGITAL TEXTBOOKS

FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski has joined Secretary of
Education Arne Duncan to discuss the state of digital
learning in American schools.

At the first-ever Digital Learning Day Town Hall held
recently in Washington, D.C., the Digital Textbook
Collaborative presented them with the "Digital Textbook
Playbook." This is a plan to help Kindergarten through 12th
grade schools transition to digital textbooks. The
Collaborative also helped the FCC and the Department of
Education update the School 2.0 bandwidth planner to help
schools plan for their connectivity needs.

At the meeting, Chairman Genachowski challenged state
leaders and the digital textbook industry ecosystem to make
national adoption of digital textbook a reality.  He also
announced a meeting for March  with CEOs of companies in the
digital learning space to drive national adoption of digital
textbooks in the next five years.

The complete FCC press release that details the agency's
plans to help facilitate the conversion to digital textbooks
is available on-line at tinyurl.com/fcc-digital-textbooks.
(FCC)

**

LIGHT SQUARED VS GPS:  GOVERNMENT REPORT SAYS THERES NO WAY
FOR THE TWO TO CO-EXIST

More problems for LightSquared in its bid to construct a 4 G
network in spectrum adjacent to that used by the GPS
navigation system.  Amateur Radio Newsline's Bruce Tennant,
K6PZW, reports:

--

A joint panel of representatives from nine federal agencies
says that it has determined that there are no practical
solutions that would allow LightSquared's proposed broadband
service to operate without significantly interfering with
the Global Positioning System or GPS that operates in
adjacent spectrum.

The report was made in a January 13th letter from the
National Executive Committee for Space-Based Positioning,
Navigation, and Timing to the National Telecommunications
and Information Administration.  It said that over the past
year it has closely worked with LightSquared to evaluate its
original deployment plan, and subsequent modifications, to
address interference concerns.  It said that substantial
federal resources were expended and diverted from other
programs in testing and analyzing LightSquared's proposals.
The report added that no further tests are warranted, as
LightSquared has not demonstrated any means that would
prevent such interference from occurring.

As previously reported, numerous tests over the past year
have shown that  signals from LightSquared's proposed 4G
network held the potential to interfere with the weaker
signals from space used by global positioning system
receivers. As a result, In December 2011, the company
offered to limit its signal to lower frequency spectrum
farthest away from the bandwidth used by GPS in exchange for
immediate access to that spectrum.  Then as reported last
week  LightSquared lashed out at the GPS industry in a
Federal Communications Commission filing, claiming poor
design of GPS units is solely to blame for the problem.

Not surprisingly, LightSquared immediately issued its own
press release calling for the FCC and NTIA to retake the
lead on conducting tests of its network, claiming the
committee report demonstrated bias and inappropriate
collusion with the private sector.   LightSquared noted a
director for Trimble GPS, whom is called an outspoken
LightSquared opponent, served as Director of the Advisory
Board.  It also claims that government testing has become
unfair and shrouded from the public eye.

With the latest on this seemingly never ending story, Im
Bruce Tennant, K6PZW, in Los Angeles.

--

With the committee decision now on the books, a final ruling
from the FCC on whether LightSquared will be allowed to go
ahead with its plans to turn on its 4 G could come at any
time. (Various News Reports)

**

NAMES IN THE NEWS:  W9GKA WANTS JANUARY VHF CONTEST E-SKIP
INFO

Some names in the news.  First up is Kevin Kaufhold, W9GKA,
of Belleville, Illinois.  He says over the VHF Reflector
that he is looking for log data on the E-skip conditions in
this year's January VHF Sweepstakes.  W9GKA says that he is
writing an article on the e-skip QSO's in the contest, and
would like to include as much information as possible.  If
you can assist, please send the log information on your e-
skip contacts to him at kaufhold (at) yahoo (dot) com.
(W9GKA)

**

NAMES IN THE NEWS:  G0SFJ RELEASES NEW NOVEL INVOLVING MORSE
CODE

A new novel featuring Morse code and radio is now available
for purchase on the internet.  Of Martian Lines was written
by Andy Thomas, G0SFJ.  It's plot is set on the Mars and in
modern Russia and the Ukraine of two generations in the
future.  The book is described as a blend of cosmology,
radio, space technology and Russian literature.

This is the second novel in the "Dmitri" series that
explores the first Russian colony on Mars, and the lies and
tensions the first Cosmonaut colonists from Earth bring with
them. Of Martian Lines is available for sale on-line at
www.createspace.com/3739192  (Southgate)

**

HAM HAPPENINGS:  SARL NATIONAL CONVENTION

The 2012 South Africa Radio League's National Convention
will be held in Pinetown from April 20th to the 22 at the
Premier Hotel in Pinetown.  The event kicks off with a
buffet type supper at the Highway Clubhouse on Friday
evening featuring a presentation highlighting how South
Africa's electronic industry found it's origin in Pinetown
and the local development off SSB.

The South Africa Radio League's Annual General Meeting will
be held on Saturday morning at the hotel venue followed by
two presentations covering VHF antennas and Logbook of the
World.  An awards banquet will also be held at the Premier
Hotel.  The full program and booking details are available
on-line at www.sarl.org.za. (SARL)

**

HAM HAPPENINGS:  HAMVENTION 2012 QCWA DINNER MAY 18

The 2012 QCWA Banquet will take place on Friday May 18th at
the Dayton Ohio Airport Holiday Inn simultaneously with the
Dayton Hamvention.  The gathering will begin at 7:30 p.m.
Eastern time with nature photography expert John Lemker as
the featured after dinner speaker.  For more information or
to make reservations please contact Jerry Ragland, WA8BOB,
at his Callbook or QRZ.com address.

**

BREAK 2

This is ham radio news for today's radio amateur.  From the
United States of America, We are the Amateur Radio Newsline
with links to the world from our only official website at
www.arnewsline.org and being relayed by the volunteer
services of the following radio amateur:

(5 sec pause here)

**

CHANGING OF THE GUARD:  WORLDRADIO FOUNDER ARMOND NOBLE,
N6WR - SK

The changing of the guard in amateur radio continues with
the sad news that Armond Noble, N6WR, founder and publisher
of WorldRadio Magazine for 37 years has become a silent key.
According to Les Cobb, W6TEE, Noble died February 1st in
Sacramento, California after a short illness.

The print version of WorldRadio was published monthly from
July 1971 until the end of 2008, when N6WR sold the magazine
to Hicksville, New York-based CQ Communications, Inc.

Armond Noble had a long and distinguished career in
communications and the media. From 1953 to 1955 he served in
the U.S. Army with a VHF radio relay unit. He went on to
positions at commercial radio and TV stations around the
United States.  These included KTWO-TV and KATI in Casper,
Wyoming; KOOK-TV, Billings, Montana; KTVB, Boise, Idaho;
KERO-TV, Bakersfield, California, WOOD-TV, Grand Rapids,
Michigan, and KCRA Radio in Sacramento.

During the Vietnam War, Noble was a reporter and
photographer for TIME magazine and the Milwaukee Journal. He
also served in the TIME-LIFE bureau in Sacramento,
California.

Armond Noble, N6WR, was reportedly hospitalized about two
months ago.  As we go to air memorial services have not been
announced.  (W6TEE, W6FJ, CQ Publishing)

**

WORLDBEAT:  RSGB WANS HAMS ABOUT UNAUTHORIZED USE OF OLYMPIC
LOGOS

The Radio Society of Great Britain is warning that although
telecommunications regulator Ofcom has granted permission
for that nations radio amateurs to use special prefixes over
this summer, this permission does not extend to use of the
various logos associated with the London Olympic games on
QSL cards or elsewhere.

The RSGB notes that these logos, or Games Marks as they are
called in the UK, are strictly controlled by the London
Organizing Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games.
As such they are not free for individuals and organizations
to use without express permission..

There is so far only one exception.  Project ECHO which is
concerned with the two main special event stations has been
granted permission to use the games Inspire logo, but only
in a limited way.

More information about the use of the Olympic logos and
their use can be found in the at the Frequently Asked
Questions on the www.london2012.com website.  (RSGB)

**

DX

In DX, HA0NAR and HA0SR will be active as FW0NAR from Uvea
Island through February 20th. The plans were to have two
stations active on 160 through 6 meters using CW, SSB and
RTTY, with a focus on the lower bands. However, this may
change since they lost the third operator who was to make
the trip. QSL FW0NAR via HA0NAR.

SP5APW is expected to visit Phu Quoc Island between March
7th and the 12th. He has applied for the callsign 3W4JK.
Operations will likely be  holiday style on 40 through 10
meters using SSB, PSK31 and RTTY, with possible operations
on 6 meters. QSL as directred on the air.

Lastly, well placed reports indicate that an international
group of 10 operators will activate St. Paul Island during
the middle part of 2012. More details should be forthcoming
in future Amateur Radio Newsline reports.

(Abve from various DX News Sources)

**

THAT FINAL ITEM: CQ SAYS MORSE IS ALIVE AND WELL

Finally this we we take a trip back to February of 2007.
Thsats when  the Federal Communications Commission took
action to eliminate Morse Code testing as a requisite
requirement to obtain any class of Amateur Service license
in the United States.  Now, five years later, CQ Magazine
Editor Rich Moseson, W2VU, has published a very pointed
editorial where-in he notes that both ham radio and use of
the Morse code are alive, well and growing.  This despite
the ney-sayers who predicted the abandoning of Morse testing
would bring a sudden end to the hobby.

In his editorial titled "No-Code Plus Five Years: An
Assessment", W2VU, states that ham radio is still here.  CW
is still here and despite the fears of many CW supporters
the universe did not implode on February 23, 2007.

Rather his article was prepared based on research that
checked on signs of the state use of Morse by today's ham
radio community.  It did this by asking manufacturer of keys
and paddles about sales, talking to the FISTS Morse
preservation group, looking at CW contest results and
overall United States licensing statistics.  And says W2VU,
the article has already brought some interesting response:

--

W2VU: "We've gotten a lot of good feedback from readers on
this already and any ofb them are agreeing with the comment
that we had at the end that the only real hiccup that we see
and that was pointed out by Nancy Kott, WZ8C, is a
difference in the conversion of CW learners to comfortable
CW operators.  That a lot of the newer hams that are
learning the code do not yet feel comfortable on the air
with it."

--

Moseson adds that ham radio has a long tradition of lending
a helping hand to newcomers in need of assistance:

--

W2VU:  "The best way to deal with this of course is the way
that hams have dealt with learning experiences for decades
which is to hook up experienced people with newcomers and
helping them one-on-one, either on the air or off to be more
comfortable as code operators and they will find a lot more
enjoyment in it."

--

Without giving away all the findings in the article, W2VU
does note  that Morse has a bright future in amateur radio,
despite or perhaps because of the elimination of the code
test requirement.  You can judge for yourself by reading
Rich Moserson's complete article.  You will find it on-line
in Adobe PDF format at tinyurl.com/6rreyxy   (ARNewslineT,
VK3PC)

**

A VER SPECIAL NEWSCAST CLOSE

With thanks to Alan Labs, AMSAT, the ARRL, the CGC
Communicator, CQ Magazine, the FCC, the Ohio Penn DX
Bulletin, Radio Netherlands, Rain, the RSGB, the Southgate
News and Australia's WIA News, that's all from the Amateur
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From w5jo at brightok.net  Tue Feb 14 07:44:56 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:44:56 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Amateur Radio Newsline Report 1800
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Geoff, you should have asked permission as Rick did.

Jim/W5JO
Moderator


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff" <w5omr at att.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:29 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Amateur Radio Newsline Report 1800


> Nothing in here about AM, specifically, but it -all- about Ham Radio.
> Newsline is celebrating it's 18,000th report.
> I beg from  the moderators a little leniency for this special event.
>
> -Geoff/W5OMR
>
>
>
>
> Amateur Radio Newsline Report 1800 - February 10 2012
>
> Amateur Radio Newsline report number 1800 with a release
> date of February 10th, 2012 to follow in 3-2-1.
>
> The following is a Q-S-T.  Ham radio activates after a
> killer earthquake hits the Philippines; some good news out
> of WRC 12; new rules about United States ham radio operation
> on 60 meters take effect on March 5th and CQ Magazine's
> Editor says that ham radio use of the Morse Code is still
> alive and well in an era of no-code licensing.  Find out the
> details are on Amateur Radio Newsline anniversary report
> number 1800 coming your way right now.
>
>
> (Billboard Cart Here)
>
>
> **
>
> RESCUE RADIO:  HAM RADIO RESPONDS TO PHILIPPINE QUAKE
>
> Rescuers assisted by armed forces are hard at work searching
> for survivors in the quake hit central Philippines.  The 6.8
> temblor shook the country on Monday, February 6th.  At least
> 56 are confirmed dead and thousands are homeless.  And soon
> after the shaking ended ham radio operators were asked to
> provide what appears to be a first response effort.  We have
> more in this report:
>
> --
>
> Most of the information to date comes from Jim Linton,
> VK3PC, who is the Chairman of the IARU Region 3 Disaster
> Communication Committee.  Jim reports that the after effects
> continue across the central Philippines after the magnitude
> 6.8 earthquake struck triggering numerous landslides and
> other devastation.
>
> Linton notes that Eddie Valdez, DU1EV, is the Chief
> Operating Officer for IARU society PARA.  Valdez says that
> ham radio operators are now active in communications
> assistance, especially those near the quake's epicenter in
> the DU7 and DU6 call areas. They have chosen to mainly use
> the VHF and UHF bands for in-country communications. With
> phone communications cut, the services they are providing
> include message handling, reporting on widespread power
> outages as well as other infrastructure damage.
>
> Meantime Radio Amateurs of Canada reports getting a message
> from a shortwave listener in Taiwan.  He notes that 7 point
> 095 MHz on 40 meter Lower Sideband is also in use for
> emergency communications into and out of the Philippines.
>
> This latest disaster come on the heels of a series of
> typhoons that swept the Southern Philippines last December.
> Those storms brought with them a heavy loss of lives and
> severe property damage.  In that scenario, radio amateurs
> were called on to become that nations communications front
> line.
>
> For the Amateur radio Newsline, I'm Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF,
> in the Newsroom in Los Angeles.  Jim.
>
> --
>
> As we go to air aftershocks are continuing and the
> Philippine ham radio community remains on the job as an
> important first line of search, rescue and quake relief
> communications.  (VK3PC, DU1EV, RAC)
>
> **
>
> RADIO LAW:  A HAM RADIO ALLOCATION AT 500 KHZ COMES A STEP
> CLOSER
>
> A ham radio allocation neat 500 KHz has taken another step
> closer to becoming a reality.  According to several reports
> out of WRC 12 being held in Geneva, Switzerland, Working
> Group 4 has approved an agenda item that calls for a
> worldwide secondary allocation to the Amateur Service from
> 472 to 479 kHz and has sent it on to the full assembly
> called the Plenary for its consideration.
>
> There are some restrictions which come with this action.
> Power output is limited to an effective one watt but would
> permit nations that are more than 800 Kilometers from an
> Aeronautical Service non-directional beacon to permit hams
> up to five watts effective radiated.  Either way, ham radio
> operators must not interfere with any other spectrum user
> holding a primary status in that band.
>
> Hat said, this is far from a done deal.  Next up is two
> separate presentations or readings of this proposal before
> the Plenary session of all nations taking part in the world
> wide communications law making process.  There, footnotes to
> the proposal can be added by any administration that has a
> representative at the conference.
>
> While there is still a lot of work to take place before WRC
> 12 ends, at least near 500 KHz, there appears to be some
> light at the end of the proverbial tunnel in the matter of a
> new super low frequency ham radio band.  We should know for
> certain by this time next week.  (Various WRC 2012 Reports)
>
> **
>
> RADIO LAW:  NEW 5 MHZ RULES GO INTO EFFECT ON MARCH 5
>
> In the United States, word that the new rules governing ham
> radio operations in the 5 MHz or 60 meter spectrum take
> effect on March 5th.  This after a notice to that affect
> appeared in the February 3rd edition of the United States
> Federal Register.
>
> As previously reported, last November the FCC released a
> Report and Order detailing new rules for the 5 MHz Amateur
> Radio band.
>
> The announcement brought with it a number of changes for 60
> meter operators.  This included substituting a channel at 5
> point 358 point 5 MHz for 5 point 368 MHz previously
> authorized.  The effective radiated limit in the 60 meter
> band will be raised by 3 dB to 100 Watts Peak Envelope Power
> relative to a half-wave dipole.  Also, three additional
> emission types are authorized.  These are Data, RTTY and CW.
>
> Currently, amateur radio in the United States holds a
> secondary allocation for 5 MHz and ham radio operations must
> not cause any interference to the primary users of that
> band.  These include fixed service, as well as mobile
> stations authorized by the telecommunications regulators  of
> other sovereign nations.  Access in the United States to the
> channelized 60 meter spectrum is limited to holders of
> General class or high FCC license grants.  You can read the
> entire Federal Register item explaining the 5 MHz changes at
> tinyurl.com/6wzsfjm  (FCC)
>
> **
>
> HAM RADIO IN SPACE: SUMBANDILASAT MAY LIVE AGAIN
>
> >From South Africa comes word that the SumbandilaSat amateur
> radio payload may resume operation in the near future.  This
> according to the South African Radio League which says that
> a combination of ingenuity and innovation by the satellite
> payloads ground control team has resulted in bringing the
> ham radio functions back to life.  Amateur Radio Newsline's
> Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has the latest:
>
> --
>
> A statement issued by South Africa AMSAT and released by the
> South African Radio League says that there is a real
> possibility that communication through SumbandilaSat may
> resume next month while the satellite is in sunlight.
> Here's the back story:
>
> According to Johann Lochner, ZR1CBC, last June the primary
> controller on the power distribution unit for the On-Board
> Computer stopped responding to commands from the ground.
> While the exact cause has never been determined it appears
> likely that this failure was related to a major solar
> radiation event on June 7th.
>
> It later appeared that the battery had also failed and
> nothing was heard from the satellite for some time.  In the
> meantime the ground station operation to monitor for
> SumbandilaSat on passes over South Africa and to begin any
> recovery procedure was automated.
>
> After a month of trying contact was made with SumbandilaSat.
> That was last November and the control team set in place a
> planned recovery procedure.  It took about 4 days to
> discover that the main battery had indeed failed with
> SumbandilaSat responding only when it's solar panels were in
> full sunlight.
>
> The ground stations at the South Africa National Space
> Agency's  operations center at and the Electronic Systems
> Laboratory at Stellenbosch University are now receiving
> telemetry when the satellite's solar panels are illuminated
> by the sun.  As a result, Lochner is confident that some
> operations will be restored even to the point where it may
> be possible to have the amateur radio transponder back in
> operation within a reasonable time frame.
>
> The bottom line is that while the overall space-frame has
> been written off by South Africa's SunSpace, the
> SumbandilaSat ham radio payload may be usable whenever the
> bird is illuminated by the Sun.  In the world of ham radio
> space operations having that kind of service is far better
> than having nothing at all.
>
> For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Norm Seeley, KI7UP, in
> Scottsdle, Arizona.
>
> --
>
> More on SumbandilaSat recovery efforts are on line at
> www.amsatsa.org.za.  (SARL)
>
> **
>
> BREAK 1
>
> >From the United States of America, We are the Amateur Radio
> Newsline, heard on bulletin stations around the world
> including radio station CHNW on 88.7 FM serving the city of
> Westminister, near Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
>
> (5 sec pause here)
>
>
> **
>
> RADIO LAW:  PROPOSED MOBILE CELLPHONE LAW COULD END HAM
> RADIO MOBILE OPERATIONS IN ILLINOIS
>
> Proposed laws introduced into both houses of the Illinois
> legislature could severely impact on mobile operation by
> hams, C-B operators and even long-haul truckers passing
> through that state.  Matthew Chambers, NR0QQ, has the
> details:
>
> --
>
> New legislation has been introduced into the Illinois House
> that will have a significant impact on the mobile use of
> amateur radio transceivers within the state.
>
> House Bill 3970 introduced by Democrat Representative Karen
> May would ban use of all electronic communication devices
> with the limited exceptions of those in a hands-free or
> voice-activated mode and for law-enforcement and operators
> of emergency vehicles or parked vehicles.
>
> Not included in that bill is any exceptions for two way
> radios or amateur radios. That would in effect ban all
> amateur and CB / GMRS / FRS activity in vehicles in
> Illinois.
>
> Also introduced into the Illinois House is House Bill 3972
> by Democrat Representative John D'Amico that is identical to
> HB 3970.
>
> As the legislative sessions are getting into full swing
> across the nation, here at the Amateur Radio Newsline we
> will be watching closely as more cell phone bills are being
> introduced that may affect the mobile use of amateur
> transceivers.
>
> For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Matthew Chambers NR0Q.
>
> --
>
> As we go to air, efforts are being made from within the
> amateur radio community to obtain exclusion for mobile ham
> radio operations, but the wording of the two measures may
> make that very hard to accomplish.   (NR0Q)
>
> **
>
> ENFORCEMENT: COLLEGE STATION GIVES UP LICENSE FOR NET ONLY
> OPERATION
>
> Yet another college radio station has gone QRT.  Amateur
> Radio Newsline's Stephen Kinford, N8WB, reports:
>
> --
>
> Paul Smiths College in Adirondack Park, New York, has
> relinquished its Class D FM broadcast license for its campus
> radio station WPSA FM.  The school had been facing problems
> keeping it on the air that came from a series of FCC
> Monetary Forfeiture Orders over the late renewal of the
> station license in 2006 as well as lack of interest from the
> student body in the stations operation.
>
> WPSA reportedly operated at around 10 watts with a service
> radius of two miles that covered little more than the
> campus.  Its problems began when its license was cancelled
> by the FCC and the call sign deleted.  Two years later, the
> college filed a Petition for Reconsideration and had it
> reinstated.  Following the late renewal in 2006, the FCC
> issued a Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture in the
> amount of $7,000 fine for unauthorized operation of a radio
> station after the license had expired.
>
> Adding to the situation was a seeming loss of interest by
> its potential audience.  According to the schools
> coordinator for student activities, students were part of
> the decision to give up the broadcast license.  She said
> that no one wanted to participate in it and that it had very
> few listeners.
>
> The spokesperson added that it appears the trend these days
> is that the students are on-line rather than listening on
> the airways.
>
> For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Stephen Kinford, N8WB,
> reporting.
>
> --
>
> WPSA will live on but without a transmitter or antenna.
> Current plans are to bring it back to life, but as a
> strictly online entity. (RW)
>
> **
>
> COMMUNICATIONS LAW:  FCC CHAIRMAN EMBRACES DIGITAL TEXTBOOKS
>
> FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski has joined Secretary of
> Education Arne Duncan to discuss the state of digital
> learning in American schools.
>
> At the first-ever Digital Learning Day Town Hall held
> recently in Washington, D.C., the Digital Textbook
> Collaborative presented them with the "Digital Textbook
> Playbook." This is a plan to help Kindergarten through 12th
> grade schools transition to digital textbooks. The
> Collaborative also helped the FCC and the Department of
> Education update the School 2.0 bandwidth planner to help
> schools plan for their connectivity needs.
>
> At the meeting, Chairman Genachowski challenged state
> leaders and the digital textbook industry ecosystem to make
> national adoption of digital textbook a reality.  He also
> announced a meeting for March  with CEOs of companies in the
> digital learning space to drive national adoption of digital
> textbooks in the next five years.
>
> The complete FCC press release that details the agency's
> plans to help facilitate the conversion to digital textbooks
> is available on-line at tinyurl.com/fcc-digital-textbooks.
> (FCC)
>
> **
>
> LIGHT SQUARED VS GPS:  GOVERNMENT REPORT SAYS THERES NO WAY
> FOR THE TWO TO CO-EXIST
>
> More problems for LightSquared in its bid to construct a 4 G
> network in spectrum adjacent to that used by the GPS
> navigation system.  Amateur Radio Newsline's Bruce Tennant,
> K6PZW, reports:
>
> --
>
> A joint panel of representatives from nine federal agencies
> says that it has determined that there are no practical
> solutions that would allow LightSquared's proposed broadband
> service to operate without significantly interfering with
> the Global Positioning System or GPS that operates in
> adjacent spectrum.
>
> The report was made in a January 13th letter from the
> National Executive Committee for Space-Based Positioning,
> Navigation, and Timing to the National Telecommunications
> and Information Administration.  It said that over the past
> year it has closely worked with LightSquared to evaluate its
> original deployment plan, and subsequent modifications, to
> address interference concerns.  It said that substantial
> federal resources were expended and diverted from other
> programs in testing and analyzing LightSquared's proposals.
> The report added that no further tests are warranted, as
> LightSquared has not demonstrated any means that would
> prevent such interference from occurring.
>
> As previously reported, numerous tests over the past year
> have shown that  signals from LightSquared's proposed 4G
> network held the potential to interfere with the weaker
> signals from space used by global positioning system
> receivers. As a result, In December 2011, the company
> offered to limit its signal to lower frequency spectrum
> farthest away from the bandwidth used by GPS in exchange for
> immediate access to that spectrum.  Then as reported last
> week  LightSquared lashed out at the GPS industry in a
> Federal Communications Commission filing, claiming poor
> design of GPS units is solely to blame for the problem.
>
> Not surprisingly, LightSquared immediately issued its own
> press release calling for the FCC and NTIA to retake the
> lead on conducting tests of its network, claiming the
> committee report demonstrated bias and inappropriate
> collusion with the private sector.   LightSquared noted a
> director for Trimble GPS, whom is called an outspoken
> LightSquared opponent, served as Director of the Advisory
> Board.  It also claims that government testing has become
> unfair and shrouded from the public eye.
>
> With the latest on this seemingly never ending story, Im
> Bruce Tennant, K6PZW, in Los Angeles.
>
> --
>
> With the committee decision now on the books, a final ruling
> from the FCC on whether LightSquared will be allowed to go
> ahead with its plans to turn on its 4 G could come at any
> time. (Various News Reports)
>
> **
>
> NAMES IN THE NEWS:  W9GKA WANTS JANUARY VHF CONTEST E-SKIP
> INFO
>
> Some names in the news.  First up is Kevin Kaufhold, W9GKA,
> of Belleville, Illinois.  He says over the VHF Reflector
> that he is looking for log data on the E-skip conditions in
> this year's January VHF Sweepstakes.  W9GKA says that he is
> writing an article on the e-skip QSO's in the contest, and
> would like to include as much information as possible.  If
> you can assist, please send the log information on your e-
> skip contacts to him at kaufhold (at) yahoo (dot) com.
> (W9GKA)
>
> **
>
> NAMES IN THE NEWS:  G0SFJ RELEASES NEW NOVEL INVOLVING MORSE
> CODE
>
> A new novel featuring Morse code and radio is now available
> for purchase on the internet.  Of Martian Lines was written
> by Andy Thomas, G0SFJ.  It's plot is set on the Mars and in
> modern Russia and the Ukraine of two generations in the
> future.  The book is described as a blend of cosmology,
> radio, space technology and Russian literature.
>
> This is the second novel in the "Dmitri" series that
> explores the first Russian colony on Mars, and the lies and
> tensions the first Cosmonaut colonists from Earth bring with
> them. Of Martian Lines is available for sale on-line at
> www.createspace.com/3739192  (Southgate)
>
> **
>
> HAM HAPPENINGS:  SARL NATIONAL CONVENTION
>
> The 2012 South Africa Radio League's National Convention
> will be held in Pinetown from April 20th to the 22 at the
> Premier Hotel in Pinetown.  The event kicks off with a
> buffet type supper at the Highway Clubhouse on Friday
> evening featuring a presentation highlighting how South
> Africa's electronic industry found it's origin in Pinetown
> and the local development off SSB.
>
> The South Africa Radio League's Annual General Meeting will
> be held on Saturday morning at the hotel venue followed by
> two presentations covering VHF antennas and Logbook of the
> World.  An awards banquet will also be held at the Premier
> Hotel.  The full program and booking details are available
> on-line at www.sarl.org.za. (SARL)
>
> **
>
> HAM HAPPENINGS:  HAMVENTION 2012 QCWA DINNER MAY 18
>
> The 2012 QCWA Banquet will take place on Friday May 18th at
> the Dayton Ohio Airport Holiday Inn simultaneously with the
> Dayton Hamvention.  The gathering will begin at 7:30 p.m.
> Eastern time with nature photography expert John Lemker as
> the featured after dinner speaker.  For more information or
> to make reservations please contact Jerry Ragland, WA8BOB,
> at his Callbook or QRZ.com address.
>
> **
>
> BREAK 2
>
> This is ham radio news for today's radio amateur.  From the
> United States of America, We are the Amateur Radio Newsline
> with links to the world from our only official website at
> www.arnewsline.org and being relayed by the volunteer
> services of the following radio amateur:
>
> (5 sec pause here)
>
> **
>
> CHANGING OF THE GUARD:  WORLDRADIO FOUNDER ARMOND NOBLE,
> N6WR - SK
>
> The changing of the guard in amateur radio continues with
> the sad news that Armond Noble, N6WR, founder and publisher
> of WorldRadio Magazine for 37 years has become a silent key.
> According to Les Cobb, W6TEE, Noble died February 1st in
> Sacramento, California after a short illness.
>
> The print version of WorldRadio was published monthly from
> July 1971 until the end of 2008, when N6WR sold the magazine
> to Hicksville, New York-based CQ Communications, Inc.
>
> Armond Noble had a long and distinguished career in
> communications and the media. From 1953 to 1955 he served in
> the U.S. Army with a VHF radio relay unit. He went on to
> positions at commercial radio and TV stations around the
> United States.  These included KTWO-TV and KATI in Casper,
> Wyoming; KOOK-TV, Billings, Montana; KTVB, Boise, Idaho;
> KERO-TV, Bakersfield, California, WOOD-TV, Grand Rapids,
> Michigan, and KCRA Radio in Sacramento.
>
> During the Vietnam War, Noble was a reporter and
> photographer for TIME magazine and the Milwaukee Journal. He
> also served in the TIME-LIFE bureau in Sacramento,
> California.
>
> Armond Noble, N6WR, was reportedly hospitalized about two
> months ago.  As we go to air memorial services have not been
> announced.  (W6TEE, W6FJ, CQ Publishing)
>
> **
>
> WORLDBEAT:  RSGB WANS HAMS ABOUT UNAUTHORIZED USE OF OLYMPIC
> LOGOS
>
> The Radio Society of Great Britain is warning that although
> telecommunications regulator Ofcom has granted permission
> for that nations radio amateurs to use special prefixes over
> this summer, this permission does not extend to use of the
> various logos associated with the London Olympic games on
> QSL cards or elsewhere.
>
> The RSGB notes that these logos, or Games Marks as they are
> called in the UK, are strictly controlled by the London
> Organizing Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games.
> As such they are not free for individuals and organizations
> to use without express permission..
>
> There is so far only one exception.  Project ECHO which is
> concerned with the two main special event stations has been
> granted permission to use the games Inspire logo, but only
> in a limited way.
>
> More information about the use of the Olympic logos and
> their use can be found in the at the Frequently Asked
> Questions on the www.london2012.com website.  (RSGB)
>
> **
>
> DX
>
> In DX, HA0NAR and HA0SR will be active as FW0NAR from Uvea
> Island through February 20th. The plans were to have two
> stations active on 160 through 6 meters using CW, SSB and
> RTTY, with a focus on the lower bands. However, this may
> change since they lost the third operator who was to make
> the trip. QSL FW0NAR via HA0NAR.
>
> SP5APW is expected to visit Phu Quoc Island between March
> 7th and the 12th. He has applied for the callsign 3W4JK.
> Operations will likely be  holiday style on 40 through 10
> meters using SSB, PSK31 and RTTY, with possible operations
> on 6 meters. QSL as directred on the air.
>
> Lastly, well placed reports indicate that an international
> group of 10 operators will activate St. Paul Island during
> the middle part of 2012. More details should be forthcoming
> in future Amateur Radio Newsline reports.
>
> (Abve from various DX News Sources)
>
> **
>
> THAT FINAL ITEM: CQ SAYS MORSE IS ALIVE AND WELL
>
> Finally this we we take a trip back to February of 2007.
> Thsats when  the Federal Communications Commission took
> action to eliminate Morse Code testing as a requisite
> requirement to obtain any class of Amateur Service license
> in the United States.  Now, five years later, CQ Magazine
> Editor Rich Moseson, W2VU, has published a very pointed
> editorial where-in he notes that both ham radio and use of
> the Morse code are alive, well and growing.  This despite
> the ney-sayers who predicted the abandoning of Morse testing
> would bring a sudden end to the hobby.
>
> In his editorial titled "No-Code Plus Five Years: An
> Assessment", W2VU, states that ham radio is still here.  CW
> is still here and despite the fears of many CW supporters
> the universe did not implode on February 23, 2007.
>
> Rather his article was prepared based on research that
> checked on signs of the state use of Morse by today's ham
> radio community.  It did this by asking manufacturer of keys
> and paddles about sales, talking to the FISTS Morse
> preservation group, looking at CW contest results and
> overall United States licensing statistics.  And says W2VU,
> the article has already brought some interesting response:
>
> --
>
> W2VU: "We've gotten a lot of good feedback from readers on
> this already and any ofb them are agreeing with the comment
> that we had at the end that the only real hiccup that we see
> and that was pointed out by Nancy Kott, WZ8C, is a
> difference in the conversion of CW learners to comfortable
> CW operators.  That a lot of the newer hams that are
> learning the code do not yet feel comfortable on the air
> with it."
>
> --
>
> Moseson adds that ham radio has a long tradition of lending
> a helping hand to newcomers in need of assistance:
>
> --
>
> W2VU:  "The best way to deal with this of course is the way
> that hams have dealt with learning experiences for decades
> which is to hook up experienced people with newcomers and
> helping them one-on-one, either on the air or off to be more
> comfortable as code operators and they will find a lot more
> enjoyment in it."
>
> --
>
> Without giving away all the findings in the article, W2VU
> does note  that Morse has a bright future in amateur radio,
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From kb2wig at twcny.rr.com  Fri Feb 17 23:21:43 2012
From: kb2wig at twcny.rr.com (kb2wig at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:21:43 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] test
Message-ID: <20120218042143.PFOYT.8039.root@cdptpa-web04-z01>

test

From w5omr at att.net  Sat Feb 18 17:07:40 2012
From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:07:40 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] test
In-Reply-To: <20120218042143.PFOYT.8039.root@cdptpa-web04-z01>
References: <20120218042143.PFOYT.8039.root@cdptpa-web04-z01>
Message-ID: <4F40212C.1040300@att.net>

On 2/17/2012 10:21 PM, kb2wig at twcny.rr.com wrote:
> test
>

FB 59 here, OM HiHi
Good luck in the contest
QRZ?


From rsauvan at beyondbb.com  Sun Feb 19 11:02:39 2012
From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com (Rsauvan)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:02:39 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
Message-ID: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>

Hi all,
I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can use it with my Viking Ranger. 
Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I would like to get this rig on the air 
as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.

Thanks-Bob-WT9Q

From k6kwq at msn.com  Sun Feb 19 11:08:34 2012
From: k6kwq at msn.com (RICHARD GEORGE)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:08:34 +0000
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
Message-ID: <COL112-W522D41D1CB927D5AE3B123F5610@phx.gbl>


I got mine off of ebay
 > From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com
> To: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:02:39 -0700
> Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
> 
> Hi all,
> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can use it with my Viking Ranger. 
> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I would like to get this rig on the air 
> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
> 
> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
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From w5omr at att.net  Sun Feb 19 11:14:21 2012
From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:14:21 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W522D41D1CB927D5AE3B123F5610@phx.gbl>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<COL112-W522D41D1CB927D5AE3B123F5610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F411FDD.9010803@att.net>

On 2/19/2012 10:08 AM, RICHARD GEORGE wrote:
> I got mine off of ebay
>   >  From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com

There's one there, right now, for under $2.oo...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-2-Pin-Female-Microphone-Plug-Connector-CB-HAM-Mic-/400175217051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2c4d399b


From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 11:22:18 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:22:18 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
Message-ID: <F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>

Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them for my boat anchors...
www.therfc.com

great service!!

73, Warren
W1GUD
FLAMGROUP.COM


On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can use it with my Viking Ranger. 
> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I would like to get this rig on the air 
> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
> 
> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
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From plamarc1 at verizon.net  Sun Feb 19 11:27:34 2012
From: plamarc1 at verizon.net (Phil LaMarche)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:27:34 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>

What is the part number.  Need for a Valliant I just bought.

Phil

Philip LaMarche

?
727-944-3226
727-510-5038 Cell?
?www.w9dvm.com
K3 # 1605
KPA500 # 029
P3 #1480

?CCA 98-00827
CRA 1701
W9DVM
?


-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Elly
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug

Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them for
my boat anchors...
www.therfc.com

great service!!

73, Warren
W1GUD
FLAMGROUP.COM


On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can
use it with my Viking Ranger. 
> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I 
> would like to get this rig on the air as soon as I can and this plug is
holding me up.
> 
> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
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From rsauvan at beyondbb.com  Sun Feb 19 11:39:42 2012
From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com (Rsauvan)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:39:42 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><COL112-W522D41D1CB927D5AE3B123F5610@phx.gbl>
	<4F411FDD.9010803@att.net>
Message-ID: <9E2A75975D8D4C2487670C35D9DEFCFB@rsauvan>

I need a male plug. The chassis mount in the radio is female.

Thanks-Bob-WT9Q


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff" <w5omr at att.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> On 2/19/2012 10:08 AM, RICHARD GEORGE wrote:
>> I got mine off of ebay
>>   >  From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com
>
> There's one there, right now, for under $2.oo...
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-2-Pin-Female-Microphone-Plug-Connector-CB-HAM-Mic-/400175217051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2c4d399b
>
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From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 11:41:10 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:41:10 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C5AC0DD0-56C9-421A-AAC3-ABA0BA6180B3@gmail.com>

the bags are stamped 80-M C2M
Another Valliant!  Good choice Phil...hope you've got help to lift..

73... and all the very best to you and your Diane!!

Warren


On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Phil LaMarche wrote:

> What is the part number.  Need for a Valliant I just bought.
> 
> Phil
> 
> Philip LaMarche
> 
>  
> 727-944-3226
> 727-510-5038 Cell 
>  www.w9dvm.com
> K3 # 1605
> KPA500 # 029
> P3 #1480
> 
>  CCA 98-00827
> CRA 1701
> W9DVM
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Elly
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
> 
> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them for
> my boat anchors...
> www.therfc.com
> 
> great service!!
> 
> 73, Warren
> W1GUD
> FLAMGROUP.COM
> 
> 
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can
> use it with my Viking Ranger. 
>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I 
>> would like to get this rig on the air as soon as I can and this plug is
> holding me up.
>> 
>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From rsauvan at beyondbb.com  Sun Feb 19 11:44:23 2012
From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com (Rsauvan)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:44:23 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3F7D9FD3F5984C6C9FB1EA89ED89BC21@rsauvan>

At the RF Connection, you will need a 80MC2M.
This is also what I needed for my Ranger.

http://www.therfc.com/micconn.htm

Thanks-Bob-WT9Q

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil LaMarche" <plamarc1 at verizon.net>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


What is the part number.  Need for a Valliant I just bought.

Phil

Philip LaMarche


727-944-3226
727-510-5038 Cell
www.w9dvm.com
K3 # 1605
KPA500 # 029
P3 #1480

CCA 98-00827
CRA 1701
W9DVM



-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Elly
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug

Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them for
my boat anchors...
www.therfc.com

great service!!

73, Warren
W1GUD
FLAMGROUP.COM


On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can
use it with my Viking Ranger.
> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
> would like to get this rig on the air as soon as I can and this plug is
holding me up.
>
> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
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From rsauvan at beyondbb.com  Sun Feb 19 11:45:46 2012
From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com (Rsauvan)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:45:46 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7BE41D3DC724CAFB4BD31BB6E40B1E6@rsauvan>

Just what I needed. Many thanks.

Bob-WT9Q


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them 
> for my boat anchors...
> www.therfc.com
>
> great service!!
>
> 73, Warren
> W1GUD
> FLAMGROUP.COM
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can 
>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I 
>> would like to get this rig on the air
>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>
>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From macklinbob at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 12:06:05 2012
From: macklinbob at gmail.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:06:05 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com><01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>
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The Amphenol 80-M C2M is no longer manufactured. Until a few years ago it 
was being produced by WirePro.

Newark still has some in stock but they are not cheap:
http://www.newark.com/cooper-interconnect/80mc2m/connector-din-audio-plug-2way/dp/76R0775

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> the bags are stamped 80-M C2M
> Another Valliant!  Good choice Phil...hope you've got help to lift..
>
> 73... and all the very best to you and your Diane!!
>
> Warren
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Phil LaMarche wrote:
>
>> What is the part number.  Need for a Valliant I just bought.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> Philip LaMarche
>>
>>
>> 727-944-3226
>> 727-510-5038 Cell
>>  www.w9dvm.com
>> K3 # 1605
>> KPA500 # 029
>> P3 #1480
>>
>>  CCA 98-00827
>> CRA 1701
>> W9DVM
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Elly
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>
>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them 
>> for
>> my boat anchors...
>> www.therfc.com
>>
>> great service!!
>>
>> 73, Warren
>> W1GUD
>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can
>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>> would like to get this rig on the air as soon as I can and this plug is
>> holding me up.
>>>
>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list
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From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 12:30:02 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:30:02 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <C6D809B45A6A4AE08BEE0A45D75072C9@IVORYTOWER>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>
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	<C6D809B45A6A4AE08BEE0A45D75072C9@IVORYTOWER>
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There are in stock & shipping from joel at RFConnection and as you say, they ain't cheap

I'll confirm the manufacturer for you later in day, but it definitely was not amp

73, AM

Warren W1GUD
WWW.FLAMGROUP.COM



On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:06 PM, "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Amphenol 80-M C2M is no longer manufactured. Until a few years ago it 
> was being produced by WirePro.
> 
> Newark still has some in stock but they are not cheap:
> http://www.newark.com/cooper-interconnect/80mc2m/connector-din-audio-plug-2way/dp/76R0775
> 
> Bob Macklin
> K5MYJ
> Seattle, Wa.
> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
> 
> 
>> the bags are stamped 80-M C2M
>> Another Valliant!  Good choice Phil...hope you've got help to lift..
>> 
>> 73... and all the very best to you and your Diane!!
>> 
>> Warren
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Phil LaMarche wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the part number.  Need for a Valliant I just bought.
>>> 
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>> Philip LaMarche
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 727-944-3226
>>> 727-510-5038 Cell
>>> www.w9dvm.com
>>> K3 # 1605
>>> KPA500 # 029
>>> P3 #1480
>>> 
>>> CCA 98-00827
>>> CRA 1701
>>> W9DVM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Elly
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>> 
>>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them 
>>> for
>>> my boat anchors...
>>> www.therfc.com
>>> 
>>> great service!!
>>> 
>>> 73, Warren
>>> W1GUD
>>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can
>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>>> would like to get this rig on the air as soon as I can and this plug is
>>> holding me up.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list
>>>> Searchable Archives:
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio at mailman.qth.net/
>>>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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>>>> the word unsubscribe in the message body.
>>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 
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From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 12:31:21 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:31:21 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <C6D809B45A6A4AE08BEE0A45D75072C9@IVORYTOWER>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>
	<C5AC0DD0-56C9-421A-AAC3-ABA0BA6180B3@gmail.com>
	<C6D809B45A6A4AE08BEE0A45D75072C9@IVORYTOWER>
Message-ID: <3008B6B4-986B-4179-974F-C3BC959B1110@gmail.com>

And oh gosh, rf connection is no where's near that price !!!


On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:06 PM, "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Amphenol 80-M C2M is no longer manufactured. Until a few years ago it 
> was being produced by WirePro.
> 
> Newark still has some in stock but they are not cheap:
> http://www.newark.com/cooper-interconnect/80mc2m/connector-din-audio-plug-2way/dp/76R0775
> 
> Bob Macklin
> K5MYJ
> Seattle, Wa.
> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
> 
> 
>> the bags are stamped 80-M C2M
>> Another Valliant!  Good choice Phil...hope you've got help to lift..
>> 
>> 73... and all the very best to you and your Diane!!
>> 
>> Warren
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Phil LaMarche wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the part number.  Need for a Valliant I just bought.
>>> 
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>> Philip LaMarche
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 727-944-3226
>>> 727-510-5038 Cell
>>> www.w9dvm.com
>>> K3 # 1605
>>> KPA500 # 029
>>> P3 #1480
>>> 
>>> CCA 98-00827
>>> CRA 1701
>>> W9DVM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Elly
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>> 
>>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them 
>>> for
>>> my boat anchors...
>>> www.therfc.com
>>> 
>>> great service!!
>>> 
>>> 73, Warren
>>> W1GUD
>>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can
>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>>> would like to get this rig on the air as soon as I can and this plug is
>>> holding me up.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list
>>>> Searchable Archives:
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio at mailman.qth.net/
>>>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
>>>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net
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>>>> the word unsubscribe in the message body.
>>>> 
>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email
>>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From macklinbob at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 12:44:23 2012
From: macklinbob at gmail.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:44:23 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com><01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net><C5AC0DD0-56C9-421A-AAC3-ABA0BA6180B3@gmail.com><C6D809B45A6A4AE08BEE0A45D75072C9@IVORYTOWER>
	<F588CB34-5643-4A4D-8B44-865F127885C4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFFF7384F0A849D4A78DF9CBCA19C146@IVORYTOWER>

WirePro bought the line from Amphenol. Then Cooper picked it up from 
WirePro.

Cooper no longer produces this connector.

All there is is what is in distributor stock. It looks like Newark and RF 
Connection.

The RF Connection price is normal. They sell for more than that when they 
show up on eBay.

I think I have 2 spares. I don't use them for any new projects.

You can often find a D-104 microphone with one attached.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> There are in stock & shipping from joel at RFConnection and as you say, 
> they ain't cheap
>
> I'll confirm the manufacturer for you later in day, but it definitely was 
> not amp
>
> 73, AM
>
> Warren W1GUD
> WWW.FLAMGROUP.COM
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:06 PM, "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Amphenol 80-M C2M is no longer manufactured. Until a few years ago it
>> was being produced by WirePro.
>>
>> Newark still has some in stock but they are not cheap:
>> http://www.newark.com/cooper-interconnect/80mc2m/connector-din-audio-plug-2way/dp/76R0775
>>
>> Bob Macklin
>> K5MYJ
>> Seattle, Wa.
>> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>
>>
>>> the bags are stamped 80-M C2M
>>> Another Valliant!  Good choice Phil...hope you've got help to lift..
>>>
>>> 73... and all the very best to you and your Diane!!
>>>
>>> Warren
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Phil LaMarche wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the part number.  Need for a Valliant I just bought.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>> Philip LaMarche
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 727-944-3226
>>>> 727-510-5038 Cell
>>>> www.w9dvm.com
>>>> K3 # 1605
>>>> KPA500 # 029
>>>> P3 #1480
>>>>
>>>> CCA 98-00827
>>>> CRA 1701
>>>> W9DVM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>>> [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Elly
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
>>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>>>
>>>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them
>>>> for
>>>> my boat anchors...
>>>> www.therfc.com
>>>>
>>>> great service!!
>>>>
>>>> 73, Warren
>>>> W1GUD
>>>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I 
>>>>> can
>>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>>>> would like to get this rig on the air as soon as I can and this plug 
>>>>> is
>>>> holding me up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list
>>>>> Searchable Archives:
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio at mailman.qth.net/
>>>>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home:
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>>>>> the word unsubscribe in the message body.
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>
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From wa1rkt at arrl.net  Sun Feb 19 13:42:22 2012
From: wa1rkt at arrl.net (Rick Poole)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:42:22 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <DFFF7384F0A849D4A78DF9CBCA19C146@IVORYTOWER>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<01a901ccef23$634175f0$29c461d0$@verizon.net>
	<C5AC0DD0-56C9-421A-AAC3-ABA0BA6180B3@gmail.com>
	<C6D809B45A6A4AE08BEE0A45D75072C9@IVORYTOWER>
	<F588CB34-5643-4A4D-8B44-865F127885C4@gmail.com>
	<DFFF7384F0A849D4A78DF9CBCA19C146@IVORYTOWER>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20120219134144.04531528@rkt-tech.com>


http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMPHENOL-80-MC2M-2-PIN-MIC-MICROPHONE-PLUG-HEATHKIT-/150760040907?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2319ffa9cb


From manualman at juno.com  Sun Feb 19 14:02:33 2012
From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:02:33 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
Message-ID: <20120219.110329.1661.148411@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>

Allied Electronics has 180 of them in stock for $21 each:
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70144706
Another place that has them:
http://www.ultrawebb.com/OHP/miccon.htm
Another place for $17 each:
http://netsemi.com/p-130546-connector-80mc2m.aspx

At local hamfest/flea markets never paid more then a $1 for used ones.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:30:02 -0500 Warren Elly <w1gud4 at gmail.com> writes:
> There are in stock & shipping from joel at RFConnection and as you 
> say, they ain't cheap
> 
> I'll confirm the manufacturer for you later in day, but it 
> definitely was not amp
> 
> 73, AM
> 
> Warren W1GUD
> WWW.FLAMGROUP.COM
> 

From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 14:19:18 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:19:18 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <20120219.110329.1661.148411@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20120219.110329.1661.148411@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CANCs6AU=_fhM5zc5wtPZJyb=c3j-RXCZ9sbs3Hd0KguMwC8dbA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM,  <manualman at juno.com> wrote:

> At local hamfest/flea markets never paid more then a $1 for used ones.

Yep, I got 4 NOS with the panel sockets at Shelby a couple years back,
seems like I paid $4-$5 total for the lot, from one of those boxes of
junk found under a table on Sunday. The guy had been there since
Wed/Thursday and apparently no one looked in the box or if they did,
had no need for the connectors.

Another place they show up frequently are on old hand mics used on
early tube CB radios. These mics can be found in similar boxes,
usually for a couple bucks.

As remaining stock on old items disappears, those who are resourceful
will have no problem finding the needed parts. It's part of the
process and hobby that many of us pick up early on, sometimes referred
to as scrounging or pack ratting.

Good hearing you on 80m last night, Pete. Wonder if you heard the
European AM coming in as you were signing out? Steve/HX and I snagged
France and Malta, first time I've worked 9H1ES. Jean/F6AQK was 10-20
over at times, covering up part of Dave/N8LGU's sign off. If not for
those static crashes, things would've been even better.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From jdube1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 19 14:19:27 2012
From: jdube1 at bellsouth.net (Joe Dube)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:19:27 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>

Warren you forgot the most important part??  The price is only $10 !!!! 
Cheapest of all I have found on the net.

Joe Dube K4TR
K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
www.k4tr.com
352-232-0281



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them 
> for my boat anchors...
> www.therfc.com
>
> great service!!
>
> 73, Warren
> W1GUD
> FLAMGROUP.COM
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can 
>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I 
>> would like to get this rig on the air
>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>
>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From xfrmrs at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 19 14:51:39 2012
From: xfrmrs at roadrunner.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:51:39 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>
Message-ID: <3B771BB1FFAE4709BBF9304EF5230047@GaryPC>

I have a few used ones kicking around. $7.00 each, shipped in a padded 
envelope.
Regards,
Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Dube" <jdube1 at bellsouth.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> Warren you forgot the most important part??  The price is only $10 !!!!
> Cheapest of all I have found on the net.
>
> Joe Dube K4TR
> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
> www.k4tr.com
> 352-232-0281
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>
>
>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them
>> for my boat anchors...
>> www.therfc.com
>>
>> great service!!
>>
>> 73, Warren
>> W1GUD
>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can
>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>> would like to get this rig on the air
>>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>>
>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net
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From manualman at juno.com  Sun Feb 19 15:07:37 2012
From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:07:37 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
Message-ID: <20120219.120759.1661.148441@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Todd:
I heard him underneath you as you were transmitting just before you
turned it back to me. At first I thought you had a background radio
turned up to loud. Hung around for several minutes after signing and
heard both stations quite clear. There seemed to be less static crashes
up my way. I then switched over to 6 meters, turned the beam to the North
and worked several stations off the aurora in Michigan, Wisconsin, and
VE2 land. It was a good radio night and I got something fixed on the
workbench too.

It's also great to see that the 75 meter spread-out mentality seems to be
finally sinking in for many AM'ers. 

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:19:18 -0500 "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
writes:
> 
> Good hearing you on 80m last night, Pete. Wonder if you heard the
> European AM coming in as you were signing out? Steve/HX and I 
> snagged
> France and Malta, first time I've worked 9H1ES. Jean/F6AQK was 
> 10-20
> over at times, covering up part of Dave/N8LGU's sign off. If not 
> for
> those static crashes, things would've been even better.
> 
> ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 15:17:07 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:17:07 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>
Message-ID: <6422A3B2-6224-4F16-87C5-DE5A861DDB33@gmail.com>

Thanks to you joe
Hope you are feeling better
How did the tests go??

W




On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:19 PM, "Joe Dube" <jdube1 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Warren you forgot the most important part??  The price is only $10 !!!! 
> Cheapest of all I have found on the net.
> 
> Joe Dube K4TR
> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
> www.k4tr.com
> 352-232-0281
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
> 
> 
>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them 
>> for my boat anchors...
>> www.therfc.com
>> 
>> great service!!
>> 
>> 73, Warren
>> W1GUD
>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I can 
>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I 
>>> would like to get this rig on the air
>>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>> 
>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net
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From k4tr at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 19 15:22:55 2012
From: k4tr at bellsouth.net (K4TR)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:22:55 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <6422A3B2-6224-4F16-87C5-DE5A861DDB33@gmail.com>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com><947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>
	<6422A3B2-6224-4F16-87C5-DE5A861DDB33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF71374CF9E14EF1AAA99733652560DD@JoeDubePC>

I am still here at the house so I guess it went well.  After I told him what 
had happened across the street at the VA and we both stopped laughing, He 
said if exhibited any symptoms at all he would put me in the hospital 
immediately!!!  So it I guess maybe I am going to make it!!  hahahahaha  see 
ya later  Caio

Joe Dube K4TR
K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
www.k4tr.com
352-232-0281



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> Thanks to you joe
> Hope you are feeling better
> How did the tests go??
>
> W
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:19 PM, "Joe Dube" <jdube1 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Warren you forgot the most important part??  The price is only $10 !!!!
>> Cheapest of all I have found on the net.
>>
>> Joe Dube K4TR
>> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
>> www.k4tr.com
>> 352-232-0281
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>
>>
>>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them
>>> for my boat anchors...
>>> www.therfc.com
>>>
>>> great service!!
>>>
>>> 73, Warren
>>> W1GUD
>>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I 
>>>> can
>>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>>> would like to get this rig on the air
>>>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net
>>>> AMRadio mailing list
>>>> Searchable Archives: 
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio at mailman.qth.net/
>>>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html
>>>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
>>>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net
>>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with
>>>> the word unsubscribe in the message body.
>>>>
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>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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From w1gud4 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 15:25:45 2012
From: w1gud4 at gmail.com (Warren Elly)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:25:45 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <AF71374CF9E14EF1AAA99733652560DD@JoeDubePC>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan>
	<F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com>
	<947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>
	<6422A3B2-6224-4F16-87C5-DE5A861DDB33@gmail.com>
	<AF71374CF9E14EF1AAA99733652560DD@JoeDubePC>
Message-ID: <FDC8A3D8-3C5D-46D1-A8AA-4231B8226A05@gmail.com>

Good you've been getting us all worried abt u 





On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, "K4TR" <k4tr at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I am still here at the house so I guess it went well.  After I told him what 
> had happened across the street at the VA and we both stopped laughing, He 
> said if exhibited any symptoms at all he would put me in the hospital 
> immediately!!!  So it I guess maybe I am going to make it!!  hahahahaha  see 
> ya later  Caio
> 
> Joe Dube K4TR
> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
> www.k4tr.com
> 352-232-0281
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
> 
> 
>> Thanks to you joe
>> Hope you are feeling better
>> How did the tests go??
>> 
>> W
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:19 PM, "Joe Dube" <jdube1 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Warren you forgot the most important part??  The price is only $10 !!!!
>>> Cheapest of all I have found on the net.
>>> 
>>> Joe Dube K4TR
>>> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
>>> www.k4tr.com
>>> 352-232-0281
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them
>>>> for my boat anchors...
>>>> www.therfc.com
>>>> 
>>>> great service!!
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Warren
>>>> W1GUD
>>>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I 
>>>>> can
>>>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>>>> would like to get this rig on the air
>>>>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From rsauvan at beyondbb.com  Sun Feb 19 16:37:18 2012
From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com (Rsauvan)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:37:18 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com><947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC>
	<3B771BB1FFAE4709BBF9304EF5230047@GaryPC>
Message-ID: <37B5A4D059F14ABAB6F2B95BB0355842@rsauvan>

Should have waited a bit longer before ordering one. I woulf have taken you 
up on your offer. I ordered one from RF Connections as soon as I went on 
their website. Thanks for all of the help guys.

73-Bob-WT9Q


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary" <xfrmrs at roadrunner.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


>I have a few used ones kicking around. $7.00 each, shipped in a padded
> envelope.
> Regards,
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Dube" <jdube1 at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>
>
>> Warren you forgot the most important part??  The price is only $10 !!!!
>> Cheapest of all I have found on the net.
>>
>> Joe Dube K4TR
>> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
>> www.k4tr.com
>> 352-232-0281
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>
>>
>>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of them
>>> for my boat anchors...
>>> www.therfc.com
>>>
>>> great service!!
>>>
>>> 73, Warren
>>> W1GUD
>>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I 
>>>> can
>>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>>> would like to get this rig on the air
>>>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net
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From k4tr at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 19 17:28:23 2012
From: k4tr at bellsouth.net (K4TR)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:28:23 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
In-Reply-To: <FDC8A3D8-3C5D-46D1-A8AA-4231B8226A05@gmail.com>
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><F2A5C175-60B8-4844-AAF1-30379CEE4D4F@gmail.com><947C6D92B635437BA940972D88E24D22@JoeDubePC><6422A3B2-6224-4F16-87C5-DE5A861DDB33@gmail.com><AF71374CF9E14EF1AAA99733652560DD@JoeDubePC>
	<FDC8A3D8-3C5D-46D1-A8AA-4231B8226A05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75571360E5004B8C9503ECAFB816A5B1@JoeDubePC>

They had me worried about me too!!!

Joe Dube K4TR
K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
www.k4tr.com
352-232-0281



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> Good you've been getting us all worried abt u
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, "K4TR" <k4tr at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> I am still here at the house so I guess it went well.  After I told him 
>> what
>> had happened across the street at the VA and we both stopped laughing, He
>> said if exhibited any symptoms at all he would put me in the hospital
>> immediately!!!  So it I guess maybe I am going to make it!!  hahahahaha 
>> see
>> ya later  Caio
>>
>> Joe Dube K4TR
>> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
>> www.k4tr.com
>> 352-232-0281
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>
>>
>>> Thanks to you joe
>>> Hope you are feeling better
>>> How did the tests go??
>>>
>>> W
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:19 PM, "Joe Dube" <jdube1 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Warren you forgot the most important part??  The price is only $10 !!!!
>>>> Cheapest of all I have found on the net.
>>>>
>>>> Joe Dube K4TR
>>>> K4TR Antenna Mfg & Sales
>>>> www.k4tr.com
>>>> 352-232-0281
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Warren Elly" <w1gud4 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>>>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Try the RF Connection in Gaithersburg MD... I just bought three of 
>>>>> them
>>>>> for my boat anchors...
>>>>> www.therfc.com
>>>>>
>>>>> great service!!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Warren
>>>>> W1GUD
>>>>> FLAMGROUP.COM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Rsauvan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I am looking for the 2 pin microphone jack to put on a D104 mic so I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> use it with my Viking Ranger.
>>>>>> Can someone steer me in the right direction to locate one of these. I
>>>>>> would like to get this rig on the air
>>>>>> as soon as I can and this plug is holding me up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks-Bob-WT9Q
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net
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>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio at mailman.qth.net/
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>>>>>> the word unsubscribe in the message body.
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>>>>>
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From collinsradio at comcast.net  Sun Feb 19 20:22:07 2012
From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 20:22:07 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug
References: <72A6EEFA6209402E83BF16506BF805B8@rsauvan><COL112-W522D41D1CB927D5AE3B123F5610@phx.gbl>
	<4F411FDD.9010803@att.net>
Message-ID: <3514679F2D64461480BBEE2604134AFB@KNEPPER>

Made in China.

David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
Collins Radio Association - Join Today
www.collinsra.com
Editor of the Collins Journal
Secretary of the Collins Radio Association
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff" <w5omr at att.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 2 pin plug


> On 2/19/2012 10:08 AM, RICHARD GEORGE wrote:
>> I got mine off of ebay
>>   >  From: rsauvan at beyondbb.com
>
> There's one there, right now, for under $2.oo...
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-2-Pin-Female-Microphone-Plug-Connector-CB-HAM-Mic-/400175217051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2c4d399b
>
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From n7rk at cox.net  Mon Feb 20 13:18:33 2012
From: n7rk at cox.net (David Hollander)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:18:33 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] Unusual SP-200 Super Pro???
Message-ID: <4F428E79.1060305@cox.net>

This Super Pro radio followed me home while cleaning out a shipping 
container.

Is this Super Pro anything unusual or did someone paint the dial windows 
blue and replace the knobs with more modern knobs?

Sadly the radio has a lot of rust. I do have the cover which attaches to 
the front panel but I removed it for the photos

Here are three photos.

http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro.jpg
http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro2.jpg
http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro3.jpg

Tnx and 73,

Dave N7RK

-- 
***********************************************************
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ex-XE2/N7RK, N7RK/ZB2, VK2ERK, ZM0AJN, WB6NRK, WN6IWX

Boatanchor and Antique Radio Collector


From dennisgilliam at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 13:31:02 2012
From: dennisgilliam at gmail.com (Dennis Gilliam)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:31:02 -0700
Subject: [AMRadio] Unusual SP-200 Super Pro???
In-Reply-To: <4F428E79.1060305@cox.net>
References: <4F428E79.1060305@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAFkB--OiGU8y78nEOweSGiDONFBLZ=9wbAM-YZ=6+vxYUjzKcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave,

That is a WW2 SP.  Some were indeed done up in a blueish paint panel after
the war in rebuild.

The knobs on it now were never "official".

It probably will become a parts widow later on, it would need more than it
would be worth to bring it back.

What price do you have on it?

73DG

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM, David Hollander <n7rk at cox.net> wrote:

> This Super Pro radio followed me home while cleaning out a shipping
> container.
>
> Is this Super Pro anything unusual or did someone paint the dial windows
> blue and replace the knobs with more modern knobs?
>
> Sadly the radio has a lot of rust. I do have the cover which attaches to
> the front panel but I removed it for the photos
>
> Here are three photos.
>
> http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro.jpg
> http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro2.jpg
> http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro3.jpg
>
> Tnx and 73,
>
> Dave N7RK
>
> --
> ***********************************************************
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> Phoenix, Arizona         *DXCC Honor Roll*    *WAZ#22 - 75 Meter SSB*
>
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From w7kxb at msn.com  Mon Feb 20 13:31:22 2012
From: w7kxb at msn.com (Bill Harris)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:31:22 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] Unusual SP-200 Super Pro???
In-Reply-To: <4F428E79.1060305@cox.net>
References: <4F428E79.1060305@cox.net>
Message-ID: <SNT137-W14B1B5D1D224EB138DB342F4660@phx.gbl>


Looks like you have one of the military versions of the SP-200.  
Did you get the power supply that goes with it?

See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammarlund_Super_Pro

Later

Bill-w7kxb/7


> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:18:33 -0700
> From: n7rk at cox.net
> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; Boatanchors at puck.nether.net; boatanchors at theporch.com; AMRadio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [AMRadio] Unusual SP-200 Super Pro???
> 
> This Super Pro radio followed me home while cleaning out a shipping 
> container.
> 
> Is this Super Pro anything unusual or did someone paint the dial windows 
> blue and replace the knobs with more modern knobs?
> 
> Sadly the radio has a lot of rust. I do have the cover which attaches to 
> the front panel but I removed it for the photos
> 
> Here are three photos.
> 
> http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro.jpg
> http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro2.jpg
> http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro3.jpg
> 
> Tnx and 73,
> 
> Dave N7RK

 		 	   		  

From k5xu at comcast.net  Mon Feb 20 14:20:15 2012
From: k5xu at comcast.net (Mike Duke, K5XU)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:20:15 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] 15 AM Open Right Now
Message-ID: <7CA11315A75144D49E192D0CF0C85D64@K5XU>

K1GUP from Maine is pounding into Mississippi with his DX40.

He's currently on 21.420.

I just signed with him about 10 minutes ago on 21.435. His is the 
first DX40 I've heard in years.






Mike Duke, K5XU
American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs



From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 14:41:37 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:41:37 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 15 AM Open Right Now
In-Reply-To: <7CA11315A75144D49E192D0CF0C85D64@K5XU>
References: <7CA11315A75144D49E192D0CF0C85D64@K5XU>
Message-ID: <CANCs6AUrg6Tc+mSeV7xQNL3rogweWW59hvgHxPuFSQpmXUemaw@mail.gmail.com>

There's been a good group on there much of the day, three QSOs at one point.

Worked Robert W0VMC for the better part of an hour until the 32V grid
drive started to act up. Some deep band fades throughout, but overall
conditions have been great - far better than 10 recently.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Mike Duke, K5XU <k5xu at comcast.net> wrote:
> K1GUP from Maine is pounding into Mississippi with his DX40.
>
> He's currently on 21.420.
>
> I just signed with him about 10 minutes ago on 21.435. His is the
> first DX40 I've heard in years.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Duke, K5XU
> American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs
>
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From donc at martineer.net  Mon Feb 20 15:52:16 2012
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:52:16 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] 15 AM Open Right Now
References: <7CA11315A75144D49E192D0CF0C85D64@K5XU>
Message-ID: <D0EE6D6C21D84CB5B7F985AB56A6F90A@DON>

I had a nice near hour long AM QSO with Rick, VE6CQ on 21.440 about the same 
time you fellows reported.  East coast still coming in like gangbusters on 
15m right now.  I check 10M and give up, I need to start including 15M in my 
routine!!  Rick was using his Ranger barefoot, me the K3 barefoot, so 
conditions were good.  Of course Rick has a good antenna, and my 4 element 
quad works well too, hi.
73,
Don, WB5HAK 


From djed1 at aol.com  Mon Feb 20 17:19:23 2012
From: djed1 at aol.com (djed1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:19:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Unusual SP-200 Super Pro???
In-Reply-To: <4F428E79.1060305@cox.net>
References: <4F428E79.1060305@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CEBE34D57C31BF-954-41711@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com>

It's hard to find one that hasn't been hacked up over the years, and that one has at least been cosmetically hacked.  Looks to be pretty complete and original inside.  You can refinish the front panel easily because the lettering is engraved.  And the knobs show up once in a while on eBay.  Or you can use plain fluted knobs from the period.  I did that with some of my knobs, and just glued a pointer on.  
Ed  W2EMN

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hollander <n7rk at cox.net>
To: BOATANCHORS <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>; Boatanchors <Boatanchors at puck.nether.net>; Old Tube Radios <boatanchors at theporch.com>; Discussion of AM Radio <AMRadio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 1:18 pm
Subject: [AMRadio] Unusual SP-200 Super Pro???


This Super Pro radio followed me home while cleaning out a shipping 
container.

Is this Super Pro anything unusual or did someone paint the dial windows 
blue and replace the knobs with more modern knobs?

Sadly the radio has a lot of rust. I do have the cover which attaches to 
the front panel but I removed it for the photos

Here are three photos.

http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro.jpg
http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro2.jpg
http://www.arizonatubesupply.com/n7rk.com/radiostuff9/superpro3.jpg

Tnx and 73,

Dave N7RK

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From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 11:27:59 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:27:59 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] 15 AM Open Right Now
In-Reply-To: <D0EE6D6C21D84CB5B7F985AB56A6F90A@DON>
References: <7CA11315A75144D49E192D0CF0C85D64@K5XU>
	<D0EE6D6C21D84CB5B7F985AB56A6F90A@DON>
Message-ID: <CANCs6AVg=3AscNfB7Y9J=_mewzo9_1yRwB+6mMRauSwtV3cQkQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Don Cunningham <donc at martineer.net> wrote:
> I had a nice near hour long AM QSO with Rick, VE6CQ on 21.440 about the same
> time you fellows reported. ?East coast still coming in like gangbusters on
> 15m right now. ?I check 10M and give up, I need to start including 15M in my
> routine!!

Same here. Sounds like I missed you by half an hour or so, Don. There
was a group on .420 earlier which I joined in with. The 32V started to
act up with grid drive issues, so I left. Robert/W0VMC was coming into
NC from WI in grand style, though the occasional deep fade was
obvious.

15 seems a more reliable choice than 10 these days. I was surprised to
hear at least 3 AM groups active at the same time up and down the
band. First time I've been on there in 20 years or more.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From lcbs at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 21 11:36:32 2012
From: lcbs at sbcglobal.net (Lawrence Steeno)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:36:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
Message-ID: <1329842192.19127.YahooMailClassic@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good day, I have 2 Valiant transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank caps, especially the 300 mmf one. The octagon one with 3 caps in it are some what okay but suspect. There is another Valiant that is waiting for some also. Now I am wondering where I may get some of these for replacement. I tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried regular ceramic caps and they failed soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and they failed also. Where may I look and for what?
I am lost and these transmitters are great units and should be warming up the ionosphere rather than holding down the top of my bench.
Thanks a bunch.
Larry K9LWI


From lafrieda at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 21 12:20:54 2012
From: lafrieda at earthlink.net (James R. La Frieda)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:20:54 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
In-Reply-To: <1329842192.19127.YahooMailClassic@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1329842192.19127.YahooMailClassic@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F43D276.20205@earthlink.net>

Hi Larry,

Have a Valiant, and although I haven't replaced the tank caps, I looked 
at the Valiant schematic and noticed that the tank caps are C 38 A, B, 
C, D at *150 mmf 500 V 5% silver mica*, and that the C39A, B, C and D 
are *350 mmf , 500 V  5% silver mica capacitors.*

If you go to justradios.com and look at their on-line Excel Order Form, 
you will note that they sell Silver mica capacitors at 500 V, 1000 V, 
1600 V and 6000V.

150 pf at 500 V  are .79 each

350 pf at 500 V are  .99 each

All the Best,
Jim ( N6MV)




On 2/21/2012 8:36 AM, Lawrence Steeno wrote:
> Good day, I have 2 Valiant transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank caps, especially the 300 mmf one. The octagon one with 3 caps in it are some what okay but suspect. There is another Valiant that is waiting for some also. Now I am wondering where I may get some of these for replacement. I tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried regular ceramic caps and they failed soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and they failed also. Where may I look and for what?
> I am lost and these transmitters are great units and should be warming up the ionosphere rather than holding down the top of my bench.
> Thanks a bunch.
> Larry K9LWI
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From donc at martineer.net  Tue Feb 21 13:38:28 2012
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:38:28 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] 15 AM Open Right Now
References: <7CA11315A75144D49E192D0CF0C85D64@K5XU><D0EE6D6C21D84CB5B7F985AB56A6F90A@DON>
	<CANCs6AVg=3AscNfB7Y9J=_mewzo9_1yRwB+6mMRauSwtV3cQkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D4433D6A0E94C0385A0FE716A0EAC5A@DON>

Sorry I missed you, Todd.  I was hearing W1GUD, I believe it was, in Florida 
so we could likely have worked!!  I plan to get on there more often.  I just 
forget 15M for some reason, and that's ALL I worked as a Novice, hi.  Worked 
all states except Mississippi.  Just couldn't find a station there on 15M!!
73,
Don, WB5HAK 


From ne1s at securespeed.us  Tue Feb 21 16:58:03 2012
From: ne1s at securespeed.us (ne1s at securespeed.us)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:58:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
In-Reply-To: <1329842192.19127.YahooMailClassic@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1329842192.19127.YahooMailClassic@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50273.216.220.248.166.1329861483.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com>

> Good day, I have 2 Valiant transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank
> caps, especially the 300 mmf one. The octagon one with 3 caps in it are
> some what okay but suspect. There is another Valiant that is waiting for
> some also. Now I am wondering where I may get some of these for
> replacement. I tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried regular ceramic caps
> and they failed soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and they failed also.
> Where may I look and for what?

I used 4 snubber caps (the large silver micas) in series-parallel to
replace each of the postage-stamp micas used as padders for 160M and 80M
(IIRC) on the high-impedance side of the pi-net output in a friend's
(KB1IAW) Valiant. In addition to the RF voltage across them, there is
significant RF current flowing in these caps, so paralleling them helps
out there.

That transmitter has seen a lot of use on those bands since I did that
work at least five years ago, and there has not been a failure.

73/GL,
-Larry/NE1S



From JohnPerz at aol.com  Tue Feb 21 17:01:54 2012
From: JohnPerz at aol.com (JohnPerz at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:01:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
Message-ID: <1a423.763a1aa.3c756e52@aol.com>

I was not able to keep the smoke in the 500 volt caps.Got 1500  volt ones, 
so far, holding up. Not sure if this indicates another problem, There  was a 
discussion about this on the AM radio forum..........de  WA2FNS
 
 
In a message dated 2/21/2012 12:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lafrieda at earthlink.net writes:

Hi  Larry,

Have a Valiant, and although I haven't replaced the tank caps, I  looked 
at the Valiant schematic and noticed that the tank caps are C 38 A,  B, 
C, D at *150 mmf 500 V 5% silver mica*, and that the C39A, B, C and D  
are *350 mmf , 500 V  5% silver mica capacitors.*

If you go to  justradios.com and look at their on-line Excel Order Form, 
you will note  that they sell Silver mica capacitors at 500 V, 1000 V, 
1600 V and  6000V.

150 pf at 500 V  are .79 each

350 pf at 500 V  are  .99 each

All the Best,
Jim ( N6MV)




On  2/21/2012 8:36 AM, Lawrence Steeno wrote:
> Good day, I have 2 Valiant  transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank 
caps, especially the 300 mmf one.  The octagon one with 3 caps in it are 
some what okay but suspect. There is  another Valiant that is waiting for some 
also. Now I am wondering where I may  get some of these for replacement. I 
tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried  regular ceramic caps and they failed 
soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and  they failed also. Where may I look 
and for what?
> I am lost and these  transmitters are great units and should be warming 
up the ionosphere rather  than holding down the top of my bench.
> Thanks a bunch.
> Larry  K9LWI
>
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From lcbs at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 22 19:33:43 2012
From: lcbs at sbcglobal.net (Lawrence Steeno)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:33:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant Tank Caps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.97.1329930234.335.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1329957223.49383.YahooMailClassic@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good day, Thanks so much for the leads, I found some 3.5KV RF caps on Ebay. These are Russian Military guys but surely should not smoke like the 1.5KV snubber and silver mica ones did. I know what the owners manual from Johnson says but the caps on the market today do not seem to handle large amounts of RF very well. Then maybe the ones I got were defective. Let you know in several weeks after caps come over the big pond.
73's
Larry K9LWI

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:20:54 -0800
From: "James R. La Frieda" <lafrieda at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Larry,

Have a Valiant, and although I haven't replaced the tank caps, I looked 
at the Valiant schematic and noticed that the tank caps are C 38 A, B, 
C, D at *150 mmf 500 V 5% silver mica*, and that the C39A, B, C and D 
are *350 mmf , 500 V? 5% silver mica capacitors.*

If you go to justradios.com and look at their on-line Excel Order Form, 
you will note that they sell Silver mica capacitors at 500 V, 1000 V, 
1600 V and 6000V.

150 pf at 500 V? are .79 each

350 pf at 500 V are? .99 each

All the Best,
Jim ( N6MV)




On 2/21/2012 8:36 AM, Lawrence Steeno wrote:
> Good day, I have 2 Valiant transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank caps, especially the 300 mmf one. The octagon one with 3 caps in it are some what okay but suspect. There is another Valiant that is waiting for some also. Now I am wondering where I may get some of these for replacement. I tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried regular ceramic caps and they failed soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and they failed also. Where may I look and for what?
> I am lost and these transmitters are great units and should be warming up the ionosphere rather than holding down the top of my bench.
> Thanks a bunch.
> Larry K9LWI
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:38:28 -0600
From: "Don Cunningham" <donc at martineer.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 15 AM Open Right Now
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
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Message-ID: <2D4433D6A0E94C0385A0FE716A0EAC5A at DON>
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??? reply-type=original

Sorry I missed you, Todd.? I was hearing W1GUD, I believe it was, in Florida 
so we could likely have worked!!? I plan to get on there more often.? I just 
forget 15M for some reason, and that's ALL I worked as a Novice, hi.? Worked 
all states except Mississippi.? Just couldn't find a station there on 15M!!
73,
Don, WB5HAK 



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:58:03 -0500 (EST)
From: ne1s at securespeed.us
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
??? <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID:
??? <50273.216.220.248.166.1329861483.squirrel at webmail.midmaine.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

> Good day, I have 2 Valiant transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank
> caps, especially the 300 mmf one. The octagon one with 3 caps in it are
> some what okay but suspect. There is another Valiant that is waiting for
> some also. Now I am wondering where I may get some of these for
> replacement. I tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried regular ceramic caps
> and they failed soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and they failed also.
> Where may I look and for what?

I used 4 snubber caps (the large silver micas) in series-parallel to
replace each of the postage-stamp micas used as padders for 160M and 80M
(IIRC) on the high-impedance side of the pi-net output in a friend's
(KB1IAW) Valiant. In addition to the RF voltage across them, there is
significant RF current flowing in these caps, so paralleling them helps
out there.

That transmitter has seen a lot of use on those bands since I did that
work at least five years ago, and there has not been a failure.

73/GL,
-Larry/NE1S




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:01:54 -0500 (EST)
From: JohnPerz at aol.com
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <1a423.763a1aa.3c756e52 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I was not able to keep the smoke in the 500 volt caps.Got 1500? volt ones, 
so far, holding up. Not sure if this indicates another problem, There? was a 
discussion about this on the AM radio forum..........de? WA2FNS
 
 
In a message dated 2/21/2012 12:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? 
lafrieda at earthlink.net writes:

Hi? Larry,

Have a Valiant, and although I haven't replaced the tank caps, I? looked 
at the Valiant schematic and noticed that the tank caps are C 38 A,? B, 
C, D at *150 mmf 500 V 5% silver mica*, and that the C39A, B, C and D? 
are *350 mmf , 500 V? 5% silver mica capacitors.*

If you go to? justradios.com and look at their on-line Excel Order Form, 
you will note? that they sell Silver mica capacitors at 500 V, 1000 V, 
1600 V and? 6000V.

150 pf at 500 V? are .79 each

350 pf at 500 V? are? .99 each

All the Best,
Jim ( N6MV)




On? 2/21/2012 8:36 AM, Lawrence Steeno wrote:
> Good day, I have 2 Valiant? transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank 
caps, especially the 300 mmf one.? The octagon one with 3 caps in it are 
some what okay but suspect. There is? another Valiant that is waiting for some 
also. Now I am wondering where I may? get some of these for replacement. I 
tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried? regular ceramic caps and they failed 
soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and? they failed also. Where may I look 
and for what?
> I am lost and these? transmitters are great units and should be warming 
up the ionosphere rather? than holding down the top of my bench.
> Thanks a bunch.
> Larry? K9LWI
>
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From JohnPerz at aol.com  Wed Feb 22 20:06:09 2012
From: JohnPerz at aol.com (JohnPerz at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:06:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant Tank Caps
Message-ID: <67c50.549e267e.3c76eb01@aol.com>

Larry,
           I  had to redo the output caps after one section of the 
turnstile got shorted.Got  some from a fellow in the midwest who had to purchase 
quanitity. Had to  series/parallel them to get proper values but is working out 
fine with loading  to 200 watts cw, 150 plus on AM.If they are what I 
think, they will have flat  leads, much sturdier than others, bit of a pain to 
work with but manageable.Some  where have pix of how I did it. Write if I can 
help to the extent I know  how.          Regards, John,  WA2FNS
 
 
In a message dated 2/22/2012 7:33:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lcbs at sbcglobal.net writes:

Good  day, Thanks so much for the leads, I found some 3.5KV RF caps on 
Ebay. These  are Russian Military guys but surely should not smoke like the 
1.5KV snubber  and silver mica ones did. I know what the owners manual from 
Johnson says but  the caps on the market today do not seem to handle large 
amounts of RF very  well. Then maybe the ones I got were defective. Let you know 
in several weeks  after caps come over the big pond.
73's
Larry K9LWI

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Today's  Topics:

1. Re: Valiant PI net caps (James R. La  Frieda)
2. Re: 15 AM Open Right Now (Don  Cunningham)
3. Re: Valiant PI net caps  (ne1s at securespeed.us)
4. Re: Valiant PI net caps  (JohnPerz at aol.com)


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Message:  1
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:20:54 -0800
From: "James R. La Frieda"  <lafrieda at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net  caps
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur  Service
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Hi Larry,

Have a Valiant, and  although I haven't replaced the tank caps, I looked 
at the Valiant  schematic and noticed that the tank caps are C 38 A, B, 
C, D at *150 mmf  500 V 5% silver mica*, and that the C39A, B, C and D 
are *350 mmf , 500  V  5% silver mica capacitors.*

If you go to justradios.com and  look at their on-line Excel Order Form, 
you will note that they sell  Silver mica capacitors at 500 V, 1000 V, 
1600 V and 6000V.

150 pf  at 500 V  are .79 each

350 pf at 500 V are  .99  each

All the Best,
Jim ( N6MV)




On 2/21/2012 8:36  AM, Lawrence Steeno wrote:
> Good day, I have 2 Valiant transmitters on  my bench now with leaky tank 
caps, especially the 300 mmf one. The octagon one  with 3 caps in it are 
some what okay but suspect. There is another Valiant  that is waiting for some 
also. Now I am wondering where I may get some of  these for replacement. I 
tried RF Parts with no luck. I tried regular ceramic  caps and they failed 
soon so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and they failed also.  Where may I look 
and for what?
> I am lost and these transmitters are  great units and should be warming 
up the ionosphere rather than holding down  the top of my bench.
> Thanks a bunch.
> Larry  K9LWI
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Message:  2
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:38:28 -0600
From: "Don Cunningham"  <donc at martineer.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 15 AM Open Right  Now
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur  Service"
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
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Sorry I missed you, Todd.  I was hearing  W1GUD, I believe it was, in 
Florida 
so we could likely have worked!!   I plan to get on there more often.  I 
just 
forget 15M for some  reason, and that's ALL I worked as a Novice, hi.  
Worked 
all states  except Mississippi.  Just couldn't find a station there on  
15M!!
73,
Don, WB5HAK  



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Message: 3
Date: Tue,  21 Feb 2012 16:58:03 -0500 (EST)
From: ne1s at securespeed.us
Subject: Re:  [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur  Service"
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> Good day, I have 2 Valiant  transmitters on my bench now with leaky tank
> caps, especially the 300  mmf one. The octagon one with 3 caps in it are
> some what okay but  suspect. There is another Valiant that is waiting for
> some also. Now I  am wondering where I may get some of these for
> replacement. I tried RF  Parts with no luck. I tried regular ceramic caps
> and they failed soon  so I tried snubber caps at 2KV and they failed also.
> Where may I look  and for what?

I used 4 snubber caps (the large silver micas) in  series-parallel to
replace each of the postage-stamp micas used as padders  for 160M and 80M
(IIRC) on the high-impedance side of the pi-net output in  a friend's
(KB1IAW) Valiant. In addition to the RF voltage across them,  there is
significant RF current flowing in these caps, so paralleling them  helps
out there.

That transmitter has seen a lot of use on those  bands since I did that
work at least five years ago, and there has not been  a  failure.

73/GL,
-Larry/NE1S




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Message:  4
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:01:54 -0500 (EST)
From:  JohnPerz at aol.com
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Valiant PI net caps
To:  amradio at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:  <1a423.763a1aa.3c756e52 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"

I was not able to keep the smoke in the 500 volt  caps.Got 1500  volt ones, 
so far, holding up. Not sure if this  indicates another problem, There  was 
a 
discussion about this on the  AM radio forum..........de  WA2FNS


In a message dated  2/21/2012 12:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
lafrieda at earthlink.net writes:

Hi  Larry,

Have a  Valiant, and although I haven't replaced the tank caps, I  looked 
at  the Valiant schematic and noticed that the tank caps are C 38 A,  B,  
C, D at *150 mmf 500 V 5% silver mica*, and that the C39A, B, C and  D  
are *350 mmf , 500 V  5% silver mica capacitors.*

If  you go to  justradios.com and look at their on-line Excel Order Form,  
you will note  that they sell Silver mica capacitors at 500 V, 1000  V, 
1600 V and  6000V.

150 pf at 500 V  are .79  each

350 pf at 500 V  are  .99 each

All the  Best,
Jim ( N6MV)




On  2/21/2012 8:36 AM, Lawrence  Steeno wrote:
> Good day, I have 2 Valiant  transmitters on my  bench now with leaky tank 
caps, especially the 300 mmf one.  The  octagon one with 3 caps in it are 
some what okay but suspect. There  is  another Valiant that is waiting for 
some 
also. Now I am wondering  where I may  get some of these for replacement. I 
tried RF Parts with  no luck. I tried  regular ceramic caps and they failed 
soon so I  tried snubber caps at 2KV and  they failed also. Where may I 
look 
and  for what?
> I am lost and these  transmitters are great units and  should be warming 
up the ionosphere rather  than holding down the top  of my bench.
> Thanks a bunch.
> Larry   K9LWI
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From ranchorobbo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 21:12:40 2012
From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:12:40 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant Tank Caps
In-Reply-To: <1329957223.49383.YahooMailClassic@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.97.1329930234.335.amradio@mailman.qth.net>
	<1329957223.49383.YahooMailClassic@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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if those are the Russian doorknobs from qrostuff on eBay I got some
that were (I think) 15 KV and 470 pF and used them in a L network
tuner and they have worked FB so far on 160.
73

Rob
K5UJ



On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Lawrence Steeno <lcbs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Good day, Thanks so much for the leads, I found some 3.5KV RF caps on Ebay. These are Russian Military guys but surely should not smoke like the 1.5KV snubber and silver mica ones did. I know what the owners manual from Johnson says but the caps on the market today do not seem to handle large amounts of RF very well. Then maybe the ones I got were defective. Let you know in several weeks after caps come over the big pond.
> 73's
> Larry K9LWI

From w5jo at brightok.net  Thu Feb 23 16:28:30 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:28:30 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Signal Generator
Message-ID: <3DB1F30E44C84475894E028B7A4C6F4A@JimPC>

Is there anyone here who is familiar with a Singer CSM-1?  If so I need 
to ask some questions.  Please contact me off list.

Jim/W5JO 


From paul at paulbaldock.com  Sun Feb 26 19:34:18 2012
From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:34:18 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] 4-1000A Tube question
Message-ID: <98150d$7ipm69@out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net>

I'm getting close to the completion of a 4-1000A grounded grid amplifier.

The plate voltage is 4KV. I'm running  zero bias voltage. The no 
signal standing plate current is 60mA.

One unusual thing I am doing is instead of a center tapped filament 
transformer  I have two 10 Ohm resistors in series across the 
transformer "simulating" a center tap. This means there is 5 Ohms in 
series with the DC to the cathode. So at 60mA this will in fact add 
-.3V to the zero bias.

  The Eimac Newsletter FCJ-59D2 says at 4KV in grounded grid the 
standing current is typically 120mA. Is my 60mA an indication of a 
low emission tube ?

I do get a little over 10dB gain with 100W in and about 1200W out (75 
meters). The tube is of course an old, quite brown, commercial pull.

Thanks

- Paul


From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 26 19:50:31 2012
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:50:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] 4-1000A Tube question
In-Reply-To: <98150d$7ipm69@out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1330303831.99505.YahooMailClassic@web38007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Paul,

I have used the 10 ohm divider to make a DC centertap on several amps 450 th etc without problems.? The gain you are getting is about typical so that is not a problem.? However, what I generally do on non zero bias tubes is not DC ground the grids, just put them at RF ground, and bias the tube appropriately.? On the 4-1000 it should not be an issue.? Check for distortion at all levels of RF and if clean, go with it.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Sun, 2/26/12, Paul Baldock <paul at paulbaldock.com> wrote:

From: Paul Baldock <paul at paulbaldock.com>
Subject: [AMRadio] 4-1000A Tube question
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, February 26, 2012, 4:34 PM

I'm getting close to the completion of a 4-1000A grounded grid amplifier.

The plate voltage is 4KV. I'm running? zero bias voltage. The no 
signal standing plate current is 60mA.

One unusual thing I am doing is instead of a center tapped filament 
transformer? I have two 10 Ohm resistors in series across the 
transformer "simulating" a center tap. This means there is 5 Ohms in 
series with the DC to the cathode. So at 60mA this will in fact add 
-.3V to the zero bias.

? The Eimac Newsletter FCJ-59D2 says at 4KV in grounded grid the 
standing current is typically 120mA. Is my 60mA an indication of a 
low emission tube ?

I do get a little over 10dB gain with 100W in and about 1200W out (75 
meters). The tube is of course an old, quite brown, commercial pull.

Thanks

- Paul

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From ad5hr1 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 27 09:33:14 2012
From: ad5hr1 at yahoo.com (jon baker)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:33:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] 4-1000A Tube question
In-Reply-To: <98150d$7ipm69@out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1330353194.35224.YahooMailClassic@web125803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

     Paul,
   The gain of your amp. seems about right.
   I think the 4-1000A needs 120W.in for full output when
  used in G.G. Most "riceboxes" won't drive it fully.
     Jon


--- On Sun, 2/26/12, Paul Baldock <paul at paulbaldock.com> wrote:

> From: Paul Baldock <paul at paulbaldock.com>
> Subject: [AMRadio] 4-1000A Tube question
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sunday, February 26, 2012, 6:34 PM
> I'm getting close to the completion
> of a 4-1000A grounded grid amplifier.
> 
> The plate voltage is 4KV. I'm running? zero bias
> voltage. The no 
> signal standing plate current is 60mA.
> 
> One unusual thing I am doing is instead of a center tapped
> filament 
> transformer? I have two 10 Ohm resistors in series
> across the 
> transformer "simulating" a center tap. This means there is 5
> Ohms in 
> series with the DC to the cathode. So at 60mA this will in
> fact add 
> -.3V to the zero bias.
> 
> ? The Eimac Newsletter FCJ-59D2 says at 4KV in grounded
> grid the 
> standing current is typically 120mA. Is my 60mA an
> indication of a 
> low emission tube ?
> 
> I do get a little over 10dB gain with 100W in and about
> 1200W out (75 
> meters). The tube is of course an old, quite brown,
> commercial pull.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> - Paul
> 
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From wrl at gwltd.com  Tue Feb 28 07:54:49 2012
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield W9WRL)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:54:49 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
Message-ID: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>

Anyone see this 400 for sale. What a deal you can buy it for only 
$3000.00 230753629851

-- 
     73 Dave W9WRL
http://www.w9wrl.com/w9wrl
http://www.facebook.com/w9wrl


From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Tue Feb 28 11:09:53 2012
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:09:53 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
In-Reply-To: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
Message-ID: <20120228110953.147718a0v0idzy3k@host60.secureserver777.com>

Idiots are born every day.. the bad part is, some "collector" will pay  
that for it, thus adding credence to the asking price. Anyone who is a  
user of such gear will, of course, puke up thier gizzard at that price..

W5SUM

Quoting Dave Mayfield W9WRL <wrl at gwltd.com>:

> Anyone see this 400 for sale. What a deal you can buy it for only
> $3000.00 230753629851
>
> --
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From wa7fab at cdsnet.net  Tue Feb 28 11:21:08 2012
From: wa7fab at cdsnet.net (Van K7VS)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:21:08 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] WRL 755A alignment page(s) PDF needed
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References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
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Can someone help me with a couple of pages from the WRL Globe 755A VFO.  I need three pages, I think.  The two on initial alignment and one showing the chassis parts layout pictorial.  At the least, the alignment pages would be great.  Thanks much.   Van, K7VS

From lafrieda at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 28 11:49:03 2012
From: lafrieda at earthlink.net (James R. La Frieda)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:49:03 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] WRL 755A Manual
In-Reply-To: <AADE858C8BA642BAA38ADB501D10BB83@VanPC>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
	<AADE858C8BA642BAA38ADB501D10BB83@VanPC>
Message-ID: <4F4D057F.6010307@earthlink.net>


Van,

You can obtain the complete manual for the 755 VFO at the Bama site, 
viz. http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/wrl/755/

73, Jim (N6MV)
Reno, NV


On 2/28/2012 8:21 AM, Van K7VS wrote:
> Can someone help me with a couple of pages from the WRL Globe 755A VFO.  I need three pages, I think.  The two on initial alignment and one showing the chassis parts layout pictorial.  At the least, the alignment pages would be great.  Thanks much.   Van, K7VS
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From wa7fab at cdsnet.net  Tue Feb 28 11:55:09 2012
From: wa7fab at cdsnet.net (Van K7VS)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:55:09 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
In-Reply-To: <20120228110953.147718a0v0idzy3k@host60.secureserver777.com>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
	<20120228110953.147718a0v0idzy3k@host60.secureserver777.com>
Message-ID: <81A992BCA74E4D4286F418B10FF9D763@VanPC>

Yes, I agree.  That?s pretty high but I have to say by the time I finished restoring my GK 500A I had close of $1300 in it not including my time.  I know if I every get ready to sell it I wouldn?t sell it for less than $1500.00.  I took mine completely apart and regalvinized the three chassis and started over, including redoing the cabinet (with original back door and silk screening the front panel.  You can see the finished product on qrz.com my call.  Van, K7VS

From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:09 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Globe King 400

Idiots are born every day.. the bad part is, some "collector" will pay  
that for it, thus adding credence to the asking price. Anyone who is a  
user of such gear will, of course, puke up thier gizzard at that price..

W5SUM

Quoting Dave Mayfield W9WRL <wrl at gwltd.com>:

> Anyone see this 400 for sale. What a deal you can buy it for only
> $3000.00 230753629851
>
> --
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From wa7fab at cdsnet.net  Tue Feb 28 11:57:41 2012
From: wa7fab at cdsnet.net (Van K7VS)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:57:41 -0800
Subject: [AMRadio] WRL 755A Manual
In-Reply-To: <4F4D057F.6010307@earthlink.net>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
	<AADE858C8BA642BAA38ADB501D10BB83@VanPC>
	<4F4D057F.6010307@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1933DF0B814F4B55BC41133921E49C09@VanPC>

Thanks but that won?t do.  I need the 755A model (later unit and different parts layout with improvements.  Van

From: James R. La Frieda 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:49 AM
To: Van K7VS ; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] WRL 755A Manual


Van,

You can obtain the complete manual for the 755 VFO at the Bama site, 
viz. http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/wrl/755/

73, Jim (N6MV)
Reno, NV


On 2/28/2012 8:21 AM, Van K7VS wrote:
> Can someone help me with a couple of pages from the WRL Globe 755A VFO.  I need three pages, I think.  The two on initial alignment and one showing the chassis parts layout pictorial.  At the least, the alignment pages would be great.  Thanks much.   Van, K7VS
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From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 12:40:06 2012
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:40:06 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
In-Reply-To: <81A992BCA74E4D4286F418B10FF9D763@VanPC>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
	<20120228110953.147718a0v0idzy3k@host60.secureserver777.com>
	<81A992BCA74E4D4286F418B10FF9D763@VanPC>
Message-ID: <CANCs6AXbSoC-aMOAP7o=TDcgb+68-NJP3ap13KbYO5K51TNF2Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Van K7VS <wa7fab at cdsnet.net> wrote:

> Yes, I agree.  That?s pretty high but I have to say by the time I finished
> restoring my GK 500A I had close of $1300 in it not including my time.  I
> know if I every get ready to sell it I wouldn?t sell it for less than
> $1500.00.  I took mine completely apart and regalvinized the three chassis
> and started over, including redoing the cabinet (with original back door
> and silk screening the front panel.
>

Folks often forget about the time involved, or discount it based on the
price that they feel it should be worth. If we paid ourselves a fair wage
for restoring these old trinkets and based it on being a wise financial
investment, I suspect few items would get restored. Especially when you add
in the cost of parts and materials, along with the original purchase price.

Some folks see an asking price and automatically assume that all examples
are worth that, or this is what they go for. I've noticed a lot of items
available on ebay and elsewhere for far more than they are worth to me.
More often than not, they remain on the market for months, sometimes with
price adjustments and other times not. What it actually ends up selling
for, if it sells at all, is seldom seen. Only the original asking price is
remembered.

I know folks who truly believe a Globe King of any model isn't worth $100,
muchless $3000. I bet everyone in this thread would disagree with the $100
value, even for a ratty unit needing restoration. This is the good thing
about the free market: if it's not worth it, it won't sell. If it does,
then it was worth that amount to at least one person besides the seller.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

From w5jo at brightok.net  Tue Feb 28 13:48:39 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:48:39 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] WRL 755A Manual
In-Reply-To: <1933DF0B814F4B55BC41133921E49C09@VanPC>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com><AADE858C8BA642BAA38ADB501D10BB83@VanPC><4F4D057F.6010307@earthlink.net>
	<1933DF0B814F4B55BC41133921E49C09@VanPC>
Message-ID: <FBA691C1C8314472AF01A9AFB1E8FCD8@JimPC>

I believe I have what you need Van.  I will scan and send to you in a 
bit.  Nap first :>)

Jim/W5JO


----- Original Message ----- 



> Thanks but that won?t do.  I need the 755A model (later unit and 
> different parts layout with improvements.  Van
>


From w5jo at brightok.net  Tue Feb 28 17:54:15 2012
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:54:15 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] diagram needed
Message-ID: <5A399CE5ED4B4BB5BF5E3EAB22127994@JimPC>

Does anyone have a diagram showing parts value for the B&W 374 dummy 
load / Wattmeter?

Jim/W5JO


From Brett.Gazdzinski at verizon.net  Tue Feb 28 19:42:10 2012
From: Brett.Gazdzinski at verizon.net (Brett Gazdzinski)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:42:10 -0500
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
In-Reply-To: <CANCs6AXbSoC-aMOAP7o=TDcgb+68-NJP3ap13KbYO5K51TNF2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>
	<20120228110953.147718a0v0idzy3k@host60.secureserver777.com>
	<81A992BCA74E4D4286F418B10FF9D763@VanPC>
	<CANCs6AXbSoC-aMOAP7o=TDcgb+68-NJP3ap13KbYO5K51TNF2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28BA32501D3349028243CF2826B38127@brettPC>

A globe king 400 is the only WRL rig I would want to own, or would have 
wanted to own before building homebrew stuff.
Even so, its quite a marginal rig.

Value?
Some people are crazy, or just have plenty of money to get something they 
want.
Somebody paid $2000.00 for a homebrew rig I made, then paid a company to 
crate it up and ship it to the west coast!
That is not even a classic vintage rig.

Brett
N2DTS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Globe King 400


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Van K7VS <wa7fab at cdsnet.net> wrote:

> Yes, I agree.  That?s pretty high but I have to say by the time I finished
> restoring my GK 500A I had close of $1300 in it not including my time.  I
> know if I every get ready to sell it I wouldn?t sell it for less than
> $1500.00.  I took mine completely apart and regalvinized the three chassis
> and started over, including redoing the cabinet (with original back door
> and silk screening the front panel.
>

Folks often forget about the time involved, or discount it based on the
price that they feel it should be worth. If we paid ourselves a fair wage
for restoring these old trinkets and based it on being a wise financial
investment, I suspect few items would get restored. Especially when you add
in the cost of parts and materials, along with the original purchase price.

Some folks see an asking price and automatically assume that all examples
are worth that, or this is what they go for. I've noticed a lot of items
available on ebay and elsewhere for far more than they are worth to me.
More often than not, they remain on the market for months, sometimes with
price adjustments and other times not. What it actually ends up selling
for, if it sells at all, is seldom seen. Only the original asking price is
remembered.

I know folks who truly believe a Globe King of any model isn't worth $100,
muchless $3000. I bet everyone in this thread would disagree with the $100
value, even for a ratty unit needing restoration. This is the good thing
about the free market: if it's not worth it, it won't sell. If it does,
then it was worth that amount to at least one person besides the seller.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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From wrl at gwltd.com  Tue Feb 28 19:49:04 2012
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield W9WRL)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:49:04 -0600
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
In-Reply-To: <28BA32501D3349028243CF2826B38127@brettPC>
References: <4F4CCE99.3040601@gwltd.com>	<20120228110953.147718a0v0idzy3k@host60.secureserver777.com>	<81A992BCA74E4D4286F418B10FF9D763@VanPC>	<CANCs6AXbSoC-aMOAP7o=TDcgb+68-NJP3ap13KbYO5K51TNF2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<28BA32501D3349028243CF2826B38127@brettPC>
Message-ID: <4F4D7600.3030205@gwltd.com>

I would disagree about it being marginal, I have owned one for years, 
and other than having to replace a modulator a few years back it has 
always worked fine. I have owned many rigs, Collins, Johnson, and so on 
and have had far more issues with these than my GK400.

But as we all know it's a matter time and they all will have issues. I 
want to leave you with the words of a buddy of mine.

GLOBE

Golly, Look, Out, Bring, Extinguisher. GLOBE

73 Dave W9WRL.com

Brett Gazdzinski wrote:
> A globe king 400 is the only WRL rig I would want to own, or would have 
> wanted to own before building homebrew stuff.
> Even so, its quite a marginal rig.
>
> Value?
> Some people are crazy, or just have plenty of money to get something they 
>
> want.
> Somebody paid $2000.00 for a homebrew rig I made, then paid a company to 
> crate it up and ship it to the west coast!
> That is not even a classic vintage rig.
>
> Brett
> N2DTS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Van K7VS <wa7fab at cdsnet.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, I agree.  That?s pretty high but I have to say by the time I finished
>> restoring my GK 500A I had close of $1300 in it not including my time.  I
>> know if I every get ready to sell it I wouldn?t sell it for less than
>> $1500.00.  I took mine completely apart and regalvinized the three chassis
>> and started over, including redoing the cabinet (with original back door
>>     
>
>   
>> and silk screening the front panel.
>>
>>     
>
> Folks often forget about the time involved, or discount it based on the
> price that they feel it should be worth. If we paid ourselves a fair wage
> for restoring these old trinkets and based it on being a wise financial
> investment, I suspect few items would get restored. Especially when you add
> in the cost of parts and materials, along with the original purchase price.
>
> Some folks see an asking price and automatically assume that all examples
> are worth that, or this is what they go for. I've noticed a lot of items
> available on ebay and elsewhere for far more than they are worth to me.
> More often than not, they remain on the market for months, sometimes with
> price adjustments and other times not. What it actually ends up selling
> for, if it sells at all, is seldom seen. Only the original asking price is
>
> remembered.
>
> I know folks who truly believe a Globe King of any model isn't worth $100,
>
> muchless $3000. I bet everyone in this thread would disagree with the $100
>
> value, even for a ratty unit needing restoration. This is the good thing
> about the free market: if it's not worth it, it won't sell. If it does,
> then it was worth that amount to at least one person besides the seller.
>
> ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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From k8wbl at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 28 21:35:06 2012
From: k8wbl at yahoo.com (Tim Kass)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:35:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
In-Reply-To: <20120228110953.147718a0v0idzy3k@host60.secureserver777.com>
Message-ID: <1330482906.62573.YahooMailClassic@web164602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thats my problem, this is of course way over as I paid roughly $400 apiece for mine, though either not working or unknown... but if I could buy these prizes and lock them in a safe and not touch them...good investment for some..but I got to play with them and "improve" where possible...just the ham way... hi hi?? way more fun than saving ... 

73, Tim K8WBL

--- On Tue, 2/28/12, ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com <ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com> wrote:

From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com <ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 11:09 AM

Idiots are born every day.. the bad part is, some "collector" will pay? 
that for it, thus adding credence to the asking price. Anyone who is a? 
user of such gear will, of course, puke up thier gizzard at that price..

W5SUM

Quoting Dave Mayfield W9WRL <wrl at gwltd.com>:

> Anyone see this 400 for sale. What a deal you can buy it for only
> $3000.00 230753629851
>
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From k8wbl at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 28 21:43:50 2012
From: k8wbl at yahoo.com (Tim Kass)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:43:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
In-Reply-To: <4F4D7600.3030205@gwltd.com>
Message-ID: <1330483430.29496.YahooMailClassic@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I would also agree ... my 400's modulator has been modded from what I can see and I have always gotten glowing compliments on my audio quality ..just a bare D104 mic. Much better than the Heaths, Johnsons or military stuff I have heard.. No doubt that Leo thew whatever he got cheap surplus into these, but a lot was military quality .. certainly not to? commercial standards by a? long long shot..

K8WBL

--- On Tue, 2/28/12, Dave Mayfield W9WRL <wrl at gwltd.com> wrote:

From: Dave Mayfield W9WRL <wrl at gwltd.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
To: "Brett Gazdzinski" <Brett.gazdzinski at verizon.net>, "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 7:49 PM

I would disagree about it being marginal, I have owned one for years, 
and other than having to replace a modulator a few years back it has 
always worked fine. I have owned many rigs, Collins, Johnson, and so on 
and have had far more issues with these than my GK400.

But as we all know it's a matter time and they all will have issues. I 
want to leave you with the words of a buddy of mine.

GLOBE

Golly, Look, Out, Bring, Extinguisher. GLOBE

73 Dave W9WRL.com

Brett Gazdzinski wrote:
> A globe king 400 is the only WRL rig I would want to own, or would have 
> wanted to own before building homebrew stuff.
> Even so, its quite a marginal rig.
>
> Value?
> Some people are crazy, or just have plenty of money to get something they 
>
> want.
> Somebody paid $2000.00 for a homebrew rig I made, then paid a company to 
> crate it up and ship it to the west coast!
> That is not even a classic vintage rig.
>
> Brett
> N2DTS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Globe King 400
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Van K7VS <wa7fab at cdsnet.net> wrote:
>
>???
>> Yes, I agree.? That?s pretty high but I have to say by the time I finished
>> restoring my GK 500A I had close of $1300 in it not including my time.? I
>> know if I every get ready to sell it I wouldn?t sell it for less than
>> $1500.00.? I took mine completely apart and regalvinized the three chassis
>> and started over, including redoing the cabinet (with original back door
>>? ???
>
>???
>> and silk screening the front panel.
>>
>>? ???
>
> Folks often forget about the time involved, or discount it based on the
> price that they feel it should be worth. If we paid ourselves a fair wage
> for restoring these old trinkets and based it on being a wise financial
> investment, I suspect few items would get restored. Especially when you add
> in the cost of parts and materials, along with the original purchase price.
>
> Some folks see an asking price and automatically assume that all examples
> are worth that, or this is what they go for. I've noticed a lot of items
> available on ebay and elsewhere for far more than they are worth to me.
> More often than not, they remain on the market for months, sometimes with
> price adjustments and other times not. What it actually ends up selling
> for, if it sells at all, is seldom seen. Only the original asking price is
>
> remembered.
>
> I know folks who truly believe a Globe King of any model isn't worth $100,
>
> muchless $3000. I bet everyone in this thread would disagree with the $100
>
> value, even for a ratty unit needing restoration. This is the good thing
> about the free market: if it's not worth it, it won't sell. If it does,
> then it was worth that amount to at least one person besides the seller.
>
> ~ Todd,? KA1KAQ/4
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