From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Tue Feb  1 08:48:07 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

	
I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands that
runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters, 
but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the higher
bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes to
as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
doesn't do a whole lot. 
I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of you
other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it might
be difficult to track down without getting the power company involved.
Thanks for any help.

Al, NE2D

From wa6apn at charter.net  Tue Feb  1 10:33:23 2005
From: wa6apn at charter.net (Tom)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
References: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
Message-ID: <001101c50873$5f213440$6501a8c0@NoName>

Hello Al
Just started having a similar problem,but it's not intermittent. Came on
last night while I was on 160 AM,appears my neighbor laid some polywire down
on the wet ground and hooked it up to a device called an electronic dog
fence. I'm getting a steady 120 IPM + at S-7 to 10db over 9 noise level on
every rcvr in the shack ( R-388,NC-98,NC-57,HQ-129X,HQ-150,ARC-5,plus a
TS-430s and a SWAN 500CX) Up until this my average noise level was about
S-1. Also all AM broadcast rcvrs in the house,some 75' away from the
fence.It's hitting me on 160,80/75 and 40 can also be heard on 20 at about
an S3 level. Plans at this time are an offer to help him install it
properly. BTW didn't take long to find the source with a protable AM
broadcast rcvr. Best-o-luck Al 73, Tom / wa6apn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Schichler, Alfred" <ASchichler@microwavedata.com>
To: <AMRadio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:48 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


>
> I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands that
> runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the higher
> bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes to
> as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> doesn't do a whole lot.
> I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of
you
> other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it
might
> be difficult to track down without getting the power company involved.
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Al, NE2D
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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From jcandela at prodigy.net  Tue Feb  1 12:44:01 2005
From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim Candela)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
In-Reply-To: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
Message-ID: <20050201174401.36389.qmail@web81004.mail.yahoo.com>

Al,

    Is this noise broadband, or is it concentrated in
frequency, and then showing another concentration at
say 200 Khz away? My VCR when off was this last way,
and the pulse rate would vary just like you said. One
of those clusters was centered at 3885 (abt 15 kc
wide), and this would vary maybe +/- 20 Khz depending
on temperature.
    I tracked it down pretty quickly with a cheap
Chinese SW portable I picked up in Shanghai a few
years back. 
    It's amazing how much stuff we have sucking power
in our houses 24/7 just so that we can turn something
on with a remote. Count all the wall-worts, and other
gizmo's, and I bet it adds up to over 100 watts all
the time. Some of this junk is now using switching
power supplies with little or NO filtering. Sigh.
    Good luck with finding the culprit!
Regards,
Jim
WD5JKO

--- "Schichler, Alfred" <ASchichler@microwavedata.com>
wrote:

> 	
> I just started getting an intermittent noise problem
> on several bands that
> runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad
> on 40 meters, 
> but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not
> too bad on the higher
> bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per
> second, then it changes to
> as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then
> slowly back again.
> Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very
> annoying, because the
> main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker,
> and the noise limiter
> doesn't do a whole lot. 
> I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar
> to the noise any of you
> other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power
> lines?)
> I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast
> band receiver, so it might
> be difficult to track down without getting the power
> company involved.
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Al, NE2D
>
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From ka1iic at prexar.com  Tue Feb  1 13:22:37 2005
From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Wesa Werber)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
In-Reply-To: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
References: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
Message-ID: <200502011322.37851@vincewerber.org>

Was is snowing when you heard this???  The dry air of winter can cause static 
discharge in your antenna/receiver...

Just a thought

73
vince
ka1iic



On Tuesday 01 February 2005 08:48 am, Schichler, Alfred wrote:
> I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands that
> runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the higher
> bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes to
> as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> doesn't do a whole lot.
> I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of
> you other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it
> might be difficult to track down without getting the power company
> involved. Thanks for any help.
>
> Al, NE2D
> ______________________________________________________________
> AMRadio mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html
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From macklinbob at msn.com  Tue Feb  1 13:53:28 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
References: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
	<200502011322.37851@vincewerber.org>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV285C881619C83F3BA01727C57D0@phx.gbl>

Last night I had HIGH static on both my HF receivers. And I have been having
a problem with static discharge.

But it has not been snowing in Seattle. They wish it was.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vince Wesa Werber" <ka1iic@prexar.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


> Was is snowing when you heard this???  The dry air of winter can cause
static
> discharge in your antenna/receiver...
>
> Just a thought
>
> 73
> vince
> ka1iic
>
>
>
> On Tuesday 01 February 2005 08:48 am, Schichler, Alfred wrote:
> > I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands
that
> > runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> > but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the
higher
> > bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes
to
> > as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> > Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> > main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> > doesn't do a whole lot.
> > I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of
> > you other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> > I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it
> > might be difficult to track down without getting the power company
> > involved. Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Al, NE2D
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > AMRadio mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html
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From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Tue Feb  1 13:56:35 2005
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] couple of items I'm in need of
Message-ID: <20050201185635.M50108@glowbugs.com>

Howdy Y'all

I need a 80JEL inductor for my homebrew 2 tube cw tranny I'm building. I 
also could sure use a 2" chassis punch, ( I hate making holes with a file )
and a 6vAC coil, dpdp or 3pdt relay of any variety, as long as its not too 
large physically. 5A or 10A contacts are good...

I also need a 235pf variable, receiving size is fine OR can someone give me 
the value of a 140-13-3 Johnson variable?

thanks in advance

de w5sum

"This country may have stumbled but it aint ever fell, if the Russians 
don't believe us they can all go straight to hell"   Charlie Daniels

From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Tue Feb  1 14:24:44 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525668@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

No, it wasn't snowing, but it was cold. Are you saying it might be because
it wasn't snowing, and the air was very dry?
Or that the snow might be causing it? I have a vertical antenna (Butternut)
with an MFJ lightning arrestor in line, so I think that is supposed to
discharge static that builds up.



-----Original Message-----
From: Vince Wesa Werber [mailto:ka1iic@prexar.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:23 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


Was is snowing when you heard this???  The dry air of winter can cause
static 
discharge in your antenna/receiver...

Just a thought

73
vince
ka1iic



On Tuesday 01 February 2005 08:48 am, Schichler, Alfred wrote:
> I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands that
> runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the higher
> bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes to
> as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> doesn't do a whole lot.
> I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of
> you other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it
> might be difficult to track down without getting the power company
> involved. Thanks for any help.
>
> Al, NE2D
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Tue Feb  1 14:29:06 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525669@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

It doesn't seem especially concentrated, but it definitely is stronger on
some parts of the bands than on others. I'll have to try to analyze it more
thoroughly. Maybe I'll have to buy a cheap SW portable sometime just for
tracking down noise.
I heard similar noise about a week and a half ago, but I figured it was
probably from some of the people using snowblowers on our street after a big
snow storm we had.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Candela [mailto:jcandela@prodigy.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


Al,

    Is this noise broadband, or is it concentrated in
frequency, and then showing another concentration at
say 200 Khz away? My VCR when off was this last way,
and the pulse rate would vary just like you said. One
of those clusters was centered at 3885 (abt 15 kc
wide), and this would vary maybe +/- 20 Khz depending
on temperature.
    I tracked it down pretty quickly with a cheap
Chinese SW portable I picked up in Shanghai a few
years back. 
    It's amazing how much stuff we have sucking power
in our houses 24/7 just so that we can turn something
on with a remote. Count all the wall-worts, and other
gizmo's, and I bet it adds up to over 100 watts all
the time. Some of this junk is now using switching
power supplies with little or NO filtering. Sigh.
    Good luck with finding the culprit!
Regards,
Jim
WD5JKO

--- "Schichler, Alfred" <ASchichler@microwavedata.com>
wrote:

> 	
> I just started getting an intermittent noise problem
> on several bands that
> runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad
> on 40 meters, 
> but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not
> too bad on the higher
> bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per
> second, then it changes to
> as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then
> slowly back again.
> Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very
> annoying, because the
> main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker,
> and the noise limiter
> doesn't do a whole lot. 
> I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar
> to the noise any of you
> other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power
> lines?)
> I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast
> band receiver, so it might
> be difficult to track down without getting the power
> company involved.
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Al, NE2D
>
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> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Tue Feb  1 14:32:11 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F40452566A@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

It could be static discharge, I guess. Unfortunately, I only have one hf
antenna, so I can't try a different one to compare. I do have a 2-meter
vertical, so could try that on hf just to see if there is any audible static
with that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Macklin [mailto:macklinbob@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:53 PM
To: ka1iic@prexar.com; Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


Last night I had HIGH static on both my HF receivers. And I have been having
a problem with static discharge.

But it has not been snowing in Seattle. They wish it was.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vince Wesa Werber" <ka1iic@prexar.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


> Was is snowing when you heard this???  The dry air of winter can cause
static
> discharge in your antenna/receiver...
>
> Just a thought
>
> 73
> vince
> ka1iic
>
>
>
> On Tuesday 01 February 2005 08:48 am, Schichler, Alfred wrote:
> > I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands
that
> > runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> > but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the
higher
> > bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes
to
> > as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> > Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> > main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> > doesn't do a whole lot.
> > I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of
> > you other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> > I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it
> > might be difficult to track down without getting the power company
> > involved. Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Al, NE2D
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > AMRadio mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html
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From StephenTetorka at cs.com  Tue Feb  1 15:11:52 2005
From: StephenTetorka at cs.com (StephenTetorka@cs.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Noise
Message-ID: <784A8362.31E366A4.A5481B25@cs.com>

Some "new noise" showed up just a few days ago...still there.
Right dab on 3.9405...just sits there...at least +10
Other guys have complained as well.

Regards,
Steve
WA2TAK

From w5jo at brightok.net  Tue Feb  1 15:35:24 2005
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
References: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
Message-ID: <004401c5089d$8edfb380$0201a8c0@Wilhite>

Generally speaking when you near noise in greater strength at low 
frequencies, it is VERY close to you or far away.  Noise of the specific 
variety propogates according to the length of the wave.  IF it is power line 
generated and you hear it on 160 and 80 strong and weaker on the higher 
bands, then it will be far away and carried by the line.

The closer you get to the source the higher frequencies will get strong as 
well.  Equipment for finding the specific location of power line noise will 
be tuneable from 30 to 300 MHz, AM.  The closer you get the higher in 
frequency you should go until reaching 300 MHz and using a beam antenna you 
can pinpoint the pole where the noise is.

Check around your house for sources of noise that has been suggested, TVs, 
VCRs, your stove (if it has a microprocessor) Satellite receiver (mine has 
broadband noise), doorbell transformer, your water heater, water softner, 
etc.  If it is in your house you should be able to hear it on the higher 
frequencies but you say it is not strong there.

Remove the antenna connection to your receiver and see if you hear it, if 
not attach a short piece of wire.  Should you not hear it with the short 
wire, it will be located in your neighborhood or down the street up to a 
mile or more away.  Then you should check your neighborhood with a hand held 
portable.  If you own a portable or scanner that receives the aircraft band, 
then make up or purchase a 3 element VHF beam and use a short piece of RG 58 
to attach it to the portable.  Start at lower frequencies and as the noise 
gets louder, switch to the higher frequencies until you locate a couple of 
poles.

At that point, copy the numbers on the poles and call your power company. 
Document the call and who you speak to in case they are not very responsive. 
Sometimes it takes a few days to a couple of weeks for them to fix a 
problem, be patient and give them adequate time.  If, within about 6-8 weeks 
they have not contacted you, call again and document every call.  If they do 
not respond in about 3 or so months, then send a complaint to the FCC with 
copies of your documentation.  This is all true if the noise is coming from 
the power company.

If it is a neighbor, then notify them verbally, be very nice, but do 
document.  Recently the FCC sent a Notice of Apparent Liability to a man and 
woman who owned an electric wheel chair and the charging circuit was 
generating noise.  The ham installed filters and the owner removed the 
filter.  After several attempts to convince them to fix the problem and they 
would not, the ham sent the information to the FCC.  The FCC made several 
attempts to convince the owner and when they would not address the problem 
the FCC sent the notice.

This is probably more than you want to know, but it illustrates where some 
of these crazy noises can originate.

73  Jim
W5JO



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schichler, Alfred" <ASchichler@microwavedata.com>
To: <AMRadio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


>
> I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands that
> runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the higher
> bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes to
> as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> doesn't do a whole lot.
> I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of 
> you
> other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it 
> might
> be difficult to track down without getting the power company involved.
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Al, NE2D
> ______________________________________________________________



From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Tue Feb  1 15:45:14 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525672@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

Thanks for all the info. I guess the next step is to try an indoor antenna
made out of a piece of wire, and see what happens.
I don't have a portable short wave receiver, but I do have a Kenwood R-2000,
which I think, works on 12 volts, so I might be able to try it in my truck
with a piece of wire for an antenna.
I sure hope it doesn't turn out to be an uncooperative neighbor.

Al NE2D


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Wilhite [mailto:w5jo@brightok.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:35 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


Generally speaking when you near noise in greater strength at low 
frequencies, it is VERY close to you or far away.  Noise of the specific 
variety propogates according to the length of the wave.  IF it is power line

generated and you hear it on 160 and 80 strong and weaker on the higher 
bands, then it will be far away and carried by the line.

The closer you get to the source the higher frequencies will get strong as 
well.  Equipment for finding the specific location of power line noise will 
be tuneable from 30 to 300 MHz, AM.  The closer you get the higher in 
frequency you should go until reaching 300 MHz and using a beam antenna you 
can pinpoint the pole where the noise is.

Check around your house for sources of noise that has been suggested, TVs, 
VCRs, your stove (if it has a microprocessor) Satellite receiver (mine has 
broadband noise), doorbell transformer, your water heater, water softner, 
etc.  If it is in your house you should be able to hear it on the higher 
frequencies but you say it is not strong there.

Remove the antenna connection to your receiver and see if you hear it, if 
not attach a short piece of wire.  Should you not hear it with the short 
wire, it will be located in your neighborhood or down the street up to a 
mile or more away.  Then you should check your neighborhood with a hand held

portable.  If you own a portable or scanner that receives the aircraft band,

then make up or purchase a 3 element VHF beam and use a short piece of RG 58

to attach it to the portable.  Start at lower frequencies and as the noise 
gets louder, switch to the higher frequencies until you locate a couple of 
poles.

At that point, copy the numbers on the poles and call your power company. 
Document the call and who you speak to in case they are not very responsive.

Sometimes it takes a few days to a couple of weeks for them to fix a 
problem, be patient and give them adequate time.  If, within about 6-8 weeks

they have not contacted you, call again and document every call.  If they do

not respond in about 3 or so months, then send a complaint to the FCC with 
copies of your documentation.  This is all true if the noise is coming from 
the power company.

If it is a neighbor, then notify them verbally, be very nice, but do 
document.  Recently the FCC sent a Notice of Apparent Liability to a man and

woman who owned an electric wheel chair and the charging circuit was 
generating noise.  The ham installed filters and the owner removed the 
filter.  After several attempts to convince them to fix the problem and they

would not, the ham sent the information to the FCC.  The FCC made several 
attempts to convince the owner and when they would not address the problem 
the FCC sent the notice.

This is probably more than you want to know, but it illustrates where some 
of these crazy noises can originate.

73  Jim
W5JO



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schichler, Alfred" <ASchichler@microwavedata.com>
To: <AMRadio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


>
> I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands that
> runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the higher
> bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes to
> as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> doesn't do a whole lot.
> I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of 
> you
> other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it 
> might
> be difficult to track down without getting the power company involved.
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Al, NE2D
> ______________________________________________________________


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From rwgillespie at msn.com  Tue Feb  1 17:00:16 2005
From: rwgillespie at msn.com (RICHARD W GILLESPIE)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Rubber VFO Gasket for Valiant/Ranger
Message-ID: <BAY11-F1131D2649DAA107FE8D2E6A47D0@phx.gbl>

Looking for the gasket that fits between the front panel and the VFO 
faceplate. Anyone have a spare  they would sell? Thanks.


Dick/K5DIC

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From kembring at epix.net  Tue Feb  1 17:28:14 2005
From: kembring at epix.net (Chuck Kembring)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Rubber VFO Gasket for Valiant/Ranger
In-Reply-To: <BAY11-F1131D2649DAA107FE8D2E6A47D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <NJEEIDLOBLKIKNPBLIDIAEPPENAA.kembring@epix.net>

Hi.....
	I did an ER restoration article a few years ago regarding that rubber edge
guard.  It is available mail order from McMaster Carr by the foot. It is
called "Neoprene Rubber Edge Trim" and their catalog number is 8507K11.  The
cost at the time (09/98) was $0.39 / foot. Their phone number is
(908)329-3200. They take credit card orders and if ordered by 4 Pm, It is
usually at your door the next morning for ground rates.
	The article appeared in Electric Radio, Issue #113, September 1998, page
35.  Boy, time flies...
Good Luck,
73,
Chuck Kembring	WB3LGG
Cochranville, Pa.


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Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:00 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [AMRadio] Rubber VFO Gasket for Valiant/Ranger


Looking for the gasket that fits between the front panel and the VFO
faceplate. Anyone have a spare  they would sell? Thanks.


Dick/K5DIC

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From WA2ONK at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 18:50:02 2005
From: WA2ONK at aol.com (WA2ONK@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ranger Plug
Message-ID: <144.3e727338.2f316faa@aol.com>

Greetings,    
      I am in need of the 9 pin accessory plug that is used on the Johnson 
Ranger. Thanks.   Chuck  wa2onk

From recycler at swbell.net  Tue Feb  1 18:51:02 2005
From: recycler at swbell.net (Patrick Jankowiak)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Jim's tvi problems
In-Reply-To: <20050201090034.7756A859C8A@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20050201090034.7756A859C8A@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <420015E6.2010707@swbell.net>

The red gow is not the "pilot lamp" on the pole pig, is it? Mine 
has one.

From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  1 19:19:37 2005
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Jim's tvi problems
In-Reply-To: <003c01c507cc$6b02de00$0201a8c0@Wilhite>
Message-ID: <BAY22-F149A4F7C54179D707A43BCF47E0@phx.gbl>



>Agreed Mike.  I had a power company lineman tell me not to do the 
>sledgehammer trick.  If something is about to break, it could fall with 
>some consequences.

If the pole has a guy cable, just give it a good yank.



From Ka9p at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 22:16:51 2005
From: Ka9p at aol.com (Ka9p@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Stagger Tuning IF transformers with scope
Message-ID: <75.3e049379.2f31a023@aol.com>

It's embarrassing to ask, but I want to stagger tune the IF transformers in a 
51J for a little broader AM response with my scope, and realized I don't know 
exactly what to do - I assume you use a sweep generator or FM sig wider than 
the bandpass, but don't understand how to use the scope to look at the 
response (and to think I got my license when you had to know something) - if there's 
a reference on line somewhere or someone can give me a hint I'd really 
appreciate it. Thanks, Scott

From rwgillespie at msn.com  Tue Feb  1 23:12:22 2005
From: rwgillespie at msn.com (RICHARD W GILLESPIE)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Rubber VFO Gasket for Valiant/Ranger
In-Reply-To: <NJEEIDLOBLKIKNPBLIDIAEPPENAA.kembring@epix.net>
Message-ID: <BAY11-F19A745AADACA74F62AA295A47E0@phx.gbl>

Dude,

Just placed an order over the internet with Mc Master. Thanks big time.

Dick/K5DIC

>From: "Chuck Kembring" <kembring@epix.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
>To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Rubber VFO Gasket for Valiant/Ranger
>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:28:14 -0500
>
>Hi.....
>	I did an ER restoration article a few years ago regarding that rubber edge
>guard.  It is available mail order from McMaster Carr by the foot. It is
>called "Neoprene Rubber Edge Trim" and their catalog number is 8507K11.  
>The
>cost at the time (09/98) was $0.39 / foot. Their phone number is
>(908)329-3200. They take credit card orders and if ordered by 4 Pm, It is
>usually at your door the next morning for ground rates.
>	The article appeared in Electric Radio, Issue #113, September 1998, page
>35.  Boy, time flies...
>Good Luck,
>73,
>Chuck Kembring	WB3LGG
>Cochranville, Pa.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of RICHARD W GILLESPIE
>Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:00 PM
>To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [AMRadio] Rubber VFO Gasket for Valiant/Ranger
>
>
>Looking for the gasket that fits between the front panel and the VFO
>faceplate. Anyone have a spare  they would sell? Thanks.
>
>
>Dick/K5DIC
>
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From garyschafer at comcast.net  Tue Feb  1 23:28:02 2005
From: garyschafer at comcast.net (Gary Schafer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Stagger Tuning IF transformers with scope
References: <75.3e049379.2f31a023@aol.com>
Message-ID: <420056D2.50505@comcast.net>

Hi Scott,

To do it with the scope you need a sweep generator synced with the scope 
horizontal trace. Then hook the scope vertical to the output of the IF 
stage. It is difficult to do without some sort of marker generator for 
the two frequencies you want for the bandwidth. You could use one signal 
generator and move it to each band edge and put a mark on the scope screen.

Another way to stagger tune the IF is with just a signal generator and 
the S meter on the receiver. Assuming the receiver has good dial 
calibration of 1khz or better. Actually you don't even need a signal 
generator. You can use the crystal calibrator for the signal source.

Tune in the calibrator signal and find the center of the band pass by 
maximum signal strength. Note that frequency on the dial. Now tune to 
one side and see what frequency where the S meter drops about 1 S unit. 
Do the same in the other direction. Add the two differences together and 
that is how wide the If is now.

To widen it, tune to where you want the new band edge on one side. Now 
tune one of the IF cans to get a peak at that frequency. Move the dial 
to the other side of the signal by the same amount frequency wise and 
tune a different IF can for a peak there. Note that the total signal 
will be down some from when you started and the S meter will not read as 
high as originally.

Repeat these same steps with other IF cans. Then recheck where the 1 S 
unit down points are on both sides of the signal. Also see that the 
difference comes out to the frequency where the middle should be.

Sometimes it is easier to stagger the two coils in each can. Tune one 
high and one low.

Do this a little at a time and recheck your 1 s unit down points often. 
That will give you an idea of the progress.

When done tune across the signal and watch the S meter for "ripple". You 
will see it go up and down an S unit or so when tuning from one side to 
the other. You don't want to get too much ripple in there or it will 
cause distortion. You can play with the tuning a little to smooth out 
the ripple.

Once you get the feel for how much things change you can do a pretty 
good job usually. Sometimes you run low on gain. Some receivers have 
such sharp IF cans that you can not get rid of the ripple when 
staggering them very far without loosing a lot of gain.

73
Gary  K4FMX

Ka9p@aol.com wrote:
> It's embarrassing to ask, but I want to stagger tune the IF transformers in a 
> 51J for a little broader AM response with my scope, and realized I don't know 
> exactly what to do - I assume you use a sweep generator or FM sig wider than 
> the bandpass, but don't understand how to use the scope to look at the 
> response (and to think I got my license when you had to know something) - if there's 
> a reference on line somewhere or someone can give me a hint I'd really 
> appreciate it. Thanks, Scott
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From zuu6k at juno.com  Tue Feb  1 23:45:22 2005
From: zuu6k at juno.com (Edward B Richards)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Stagger Tuning IF transformers with scope
Message-ID: <20050201.204524.-577937.2.zuu6k@juno.com>

Hi Guys;

You can broaden out sharp IF transformers by adding a resistor across one
or both windings, lowering the Q. Experiment with different values of
resistance to see the effect. As the Q goes down, so will the gain. Good
luck.

73, Ed Richards K6UUZ


On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:28:02 -0500 Gary Schafer <garyschafer@comcast.net>
writes:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> To do it with the scope you need a sweep generator synced with the 
> scope 
> horizontal trace. Then hook the scope vertical to the output of the 
> IF 
> stage. It is difficult to do without some sort of marker generator 
> for 
> the two frequencies you want for the bandwidth. You could use one 
> signal 
> generator and move it to each band edge and put a mark on the scope 
> screen.
> 
> Another way to stagger tune the IF is with just a signal generator 
> and 
> the S meter on the receiver. Assuming the receiver has good dial 
> calibration of 1khz or better. Actually you don't even need a signal 
> 
> generator. You can use the crystal calibrator for the signal source.
> 
> Tune in the calibrator signal and find the center of the band pass 
> by 
> maximum signal strength. Note that frequency on the dial. Now tune 
> to 
> one side and see what frequency where the S meter drops about 1 S 
> unit. 
> Do the same in the other direction. Add the two differences together 
> and 
> that is how wide the If is now.
> 
> To widen it, tune to where you want the new band edge on one side. 
> Now 
> tune one of the IF cans to get a peak at that frequency. Move the 
> dial 
> to the other side of the signal by the same amount frequency wise 
> and 
> tune a different IF can for a peak there. Note that the total signal 
> 
> will be down some from when you started and the S meter will not 
> read as 
> high as originally.
> 
> Repeat these same steps with other IF cans. Then recheck where the 1 
> S 
> unit down points are on both sides of the signal. Also see that the 
> difference comes out to the frequency where the middle should be.
> 
> Sometimes it is easier to stagger the two coils in each can. Tune 
> one 
> high and one low.
> 
> Do this a little at a time and recheck your 1 s unit down points 
> often. 
> That will give you an idea of the progress.
> 
> When done tune across the signal and watch the S meter for "ripple". 
> You 
> will see it go up and down an S unit or so when tuning from one side 
> to 
> the other. You don't want to get too much ripple in there or it will 
> 
> cause distortion. You can play with the tuning a little to smooth 
> out 
> the ripple.
> 
> Once you get the feel for how much things change you can do a pretty 
> 
> good job usually. Sometimes you run low on gain. Some receivers have 
> 
> such sharp IF cans that you can not get rid of the ripple when 
> staggering them very far without loosing a lot of gain.
> 
> 73
> Gary  K4FMX
> 
> Ka9p@aol.com wrote:
> > It's embarrassing to ask, but I want to stagger tune the IF 
> transformers in a 
> > 51J for a little broader AM response with my scope, and realized I 
> don't know 
> > exactly what to do - I assume you use a sweep generator or FM sig 
> wider than 
> > the bandpass, but don't understand how to use the scope to look at 
> the 
> > response (and to think I got my license when you had to know 
> something) - if there's 
> > a reference on line somewhere or someone can give me a hint I'd 
> really 
> > appreciate it. Thanks, Scott
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From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Wed Feb  2 09:54:52 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525680@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

Update on static problem:

Yesterday, I tried both a 6 foot wire and my Ringo Ranger 2-meter antenna
(just the center pin of the PL-259), 
and the static is still there, but not as strong as with the hf vertical.
I thought at first that I tracked it down, because I found that the dimmer
switches for the recessed lighting in the 
kitchen were making all kind of noise at the very low frequencies (peaked up
at 170 kHz).
After shutting the lights off, I found that that noise went away, but the
noise on all the lower hf ham bands was still there just as strong.
It doesn't have any sharp peaks or anything, but there are a lot of places
where it does kind of peak up, although it is very broad. 
The freqs where it seems to peak are (in MHz): 2.4, 2.7, 3.37, 3.55, 3.9,
4.2, 5.0, 6.2, 6.6, 7.2, 8.0, and 8.7. Above that, it starts to roll off
quite a bit.
The peaks might have something to do with the resonance of the antenna, but
I'm not sure. I was using the hf vertical when I measured them.
Any more thoughts? I'm thinking probably power lines, but maybe I should try
a battery-operated radio and turn off the power to the whole house before I
come to that conclusion.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Macklin [mailto:macklinbob@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:53 PM
To: ka1iic@prexar.com; Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


Last night I had HIGH static on both my HF receivers. And I have been having
a problem with static discharge.

But it has not been snowing in Seattle. They wish it was.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vince Wesa Werber" <ka1iic@prexar.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem


> Was is snowing when you heard this???  The dry air of winter can cause
static
> discharge in your antenna/receiver...
>
> Just a thought
>
> 73
> vince
> ka1iic
>
>
>
> On Tuesday 01 February 2005 08:48 am, Schichler, Alfred wrote:
> > I just started getting an intermittent noise problem on several bands
that
> > runs from s-9 to about 20 over. It's especially bad on 40 meters,
> > but I can hear it on 80 and 160 pretty good too. Not too bad on the
higher
> > bands. Sometimes it is just one or two pops per second, then it changes
to
> > as much as about 50 or more pops per second, then slowly back again.
> > Sometimes only one every few seconds. This is very annoying, because the
> > main receiver I use does not have a noise blanker, and the noise limiter
> > doesn't do a whole lot.
> > I was wondering if that sounds like anything similar to the noise any of
> > you other guys have been getting. (Maybe from power lines?)
> > I can't hear it at all on a portable AM broadcast band receiver, so it
> > might be difficult to track down without getting the power company
> > involved. Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Al, NE2D
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From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 10:06:11 2005
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
In-Reply-To: <20050201174401.36389.qmail@web81004.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525658@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
	<20050201174401.36389.qmail@web81004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ccb8c51050202070674ce442@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:44:01 -0800 (PST), Jim Candela
<jcandela@prodigy.net> wrote:
<snip>
>     Is this noise broadband, or is it concentrated in
> frequency, and then showing another concentration at
> say 200 Khz away? My VCR when off was this last way,
> and the pulse rate would vary just like you said. One
> of those clusters was centered at 3885 (abt 15 kc
> wide), and this would vary maybe +/- 20 Khz depending
> on temperature.
>     I tracked it down pretty quickly with a cheap
> Chinese SW portable I picked up in Shanghai a few
> years back.
>     It's amazing how much stuff we have sucking power
> in our houses 24/7 just so that we can turn something
> on with a remote. Count all the wall-worts, and other
> gizmo's, and I bet it adds up to over 100 watts all
> the time. Some of this junk is now using switching
> power supplies with little or NO filtering. Sigh.
<snip>

I've had similar problems with 'home entertainment' devices and
computers. Easy fix: plug all of the equipment into power strips, turn
the strip off when not in use. I seldom use my VCR, and I certainly
don't look at the clock. If the flashing annoys you, just place a
piece of black tape over the display.

Same goes for the computer with its switching supply (you guys who
manage to use them in close proximity to your gear must know a
secret): shut it down, throw the power strip switch to off. I have
everything from the monitor to the wall wort for the speakers plugged
into the same strip.

When you want to watch TV or use the PC, turn on the power strip. When
you want to play radio, shut off the noise generators*.  Then you're
only left with the neighborhood garbage to contend with.

de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ

* Your mileage may vary, do not attempt this at home if you have
potentially hostile family members, etc.

From merz.ds at mellon.com  Wed Feb  2 13:43:43 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Tin whiskers?
Message-ID: <20050202184345.16258.qmail@mellon.com>

So what's the deal with this "tin whiskers" crisis? Fortune magazine on January 10 carried a report (p. 27) on "Tin Whiskers". It seems that the tin in solder grows microscopic "whiskers" over time and as component placement gets ever smaller, scientists are seeing equipment failures from these whiskers causing shorts between 2 connections. The growth of these whiskers has something to do with surface tension and has been observed for over 50 years. Lead apparently inhibits whisker growth. But now the EU has mandated that all lead be eliminated from electronic products by July 1, 2006. Fortune seems to feel that the rest of the world will ultimately follow this lead and so the problem of tin whiskers could get much worse.

I never heard of this before. This is one of those articles that makes me look at the date on the magazine to see if it is from April. But apparently it's real. Fortune calls it the next "Y2K" issue for modern technology.

73, Don Merz, N3RHT
 
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From zuu6k at juno.com  Wed Feb  2 14:22:13 2005
From: zuu6k at juno.com (Edward B Richards)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Tin whiskers?
Message-ID: <20050202.112215.-800961.1.zuu6k@juno.com>

Hi Don et al;

It is real.  When I was a senior technician for Motorola 2-way radios,15
years ago, we got a bulletin to this effect. One particular radio had a
VCO shield cover very close to the pc board and tin whiskers would grow
from the circuit board to the shield. The cure was to blow out the
shielded compartment with compressed air.

73, Ed Richards K6UUZ

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:43:43 -0500 "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
writes:
> So what's the deal with this "tin whiskers" crisis? Fortune magazine 
> on January 10 carried a report (p. 27) on "Tin Whiskers". It seems 
> that the tin in solder grows microscopic "whiskers" over time and as 
> component placement gets ever smaller, scientists are seeing 
> equipment failures from these whiskers causing shorts between 2 
> connections. The growth of these whiskers has something to do with 
> surface tension and has been observed for over 50 years. Lead 
> apparently inhibits whisker growth. But now the EU has mandated that 
> all lead be eliminated from electronic products by July 1, 2006. 
> Fortune seems to feel that the rest of the world will ultimately 
> follow this lead and so the problem of tin whiskers could get much 
> worse.
> 
> I never heard of this before. This is one of those articles that 
> makes me look at the date on the magazine to see if it is from 
> April. But apparently it's real. Fortune calls it the next "Y2K" 
> issue for modern technology.
> 
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
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From macklinbob at msn.com  Wed Feb  2 14:25:20 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Tin whiskers?
References: <20050202184345.16258.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV28F87488B8B6E56D62A626C57E0@phx.gbl>

I think the problem for electronis can be controlled by applying confomal
coating after assembly.

About 10 years I go I worked with a proces that used nickel particals in
epoxy resin to replace solder. The process did work but was a real mess to
work with. We tried making surface mount PCBs with this process. The parts
have to be mounted with the GOO and then held in position until the GOO
cured. And we did use accelerators with the GOO but it was impractical at
the time.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
To: "'Amradio (E-mail)" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "'Glowbugs (E-mail)"
<glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Tin whiskers?


So what's the deal with this "tin whiskers" crisis? Fortune magazine on
January 10 carried a report (p. 27) on "Tin Whiskers". It seems that the tin
in solder grows microscopic "whiskers" over time and as component placement
gets ever smaller, scientists are seeing equipment failures from these
whiskers causing shorts between 2 connections. The growth of these whiskers
has something to do with surface tension and has been observed for over 50
years. Lead apparently inhibits whisker growth. But now the EU has mandated
that all lead be eliminated from electronic products by July 1, 2006.
Fortune seems to feel that the rest of the world will ultimately follow this
lead and so the problem of tin whiskers could get much worse.

I never heard of this before. This is one of those articles that makes me
look at the date on the magazine to see if it is from April. But apparently
it's real. Fortune calls it the next "Y2K" issue for modern technology.

73, Don Merz, N3RHT

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From macklinbob at msn.com  Wed Feb  2 16:05:07 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: GB> Re: [AMRadio] Tin whiskers?
References: <420139c6.14bd.0@cyberus.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV10271F6B61AC0849C0D2B9C57E0@phx.gbl>

Bill,

We had conductive epoxies back in the 60s. It had silver powder in it. It
was a mess to work with. We used it mostly on space projects.

This latest thing is an epoxy doped with fine nickel particals. When the
parts are assembled under pressure the resin is squezzed out and the nickle
particles make the contact between the the part and the PCB. The cured resin
then both holds the part in place and makes an airtight seal.

When I was first told about it by a friend I was really skeptical.  We
actually did make some computer memory board with this process but the
company I was working for went bellyup before they could develop a viable
process.

Geting rid of the lead was the object.

But managment was more interested in sellin g stock than developing the
process. I beleive there was financial fraud involved. When I left (I QUIT)
they owed me two months wages ($16K).

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Henderson" <cybercat@cyberus.ca>
To: "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob@msn.com>; "Discussion of AM Radio"
<amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "'Glowbugs (E-mail)"
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Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: GB> Re: [AMRadio] Tin whiskers?


> Was this one of the ancestors of "conductive epoxy"".
>  - Bill H.
>
> >About 10 years I go I worked with a proces that used nickel particals in
> >epoxy resin to replace solder. The process did work but was a real mess
to
> >work with. We tried making surface mount PCBs with this process. The
parts
> >have to be mounted with the GOO and then held in position until the GOO
> >cured. And we did use accelerators with the GOO but it was impractical at
> >the time.
> >
> >Bob Macklin
> >K5MYJ/7
> >Seattle, Wa.
> >
> >"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
> >
>
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From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 17:00:20 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 20V Blowers
Message-ID: <009501c50972$9699a2e0$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

I just received 2 new in the box Dayton 2C915 230VAC blowers.  They fit 
nicely and provide a little more air than the 2C914.  The 915's have a 
rectangular output whereas the 914's a round, like the originals.  No big 
deal.  You remove all that mounting hardware and rubber shock absorber stuff 
and bolt them directly on the rear or the chassis.  For purists, this might 
not be acceptable but it certainly keeps the tubes cooler and the noise is 
not appreciably worse than the originals that were in my 20V-3.  They can be 
bought from Valley Surplus. Their E Mail is valleysurplus@verizon.net  attn 
Michael.  No guarantees but I got mine for $34 for the first one and $28 for 
the second, including 2 separate UPS Ground shipments!  Anyone interested in 
seeing them mounted, I can send you a picture.

73  Bob W6TR 



From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 17:07:14 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 2C915 Blowers
Message-ID: <009901c50973$8d1ca180$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

BTW, @.1" SP the 915 puts out 127 CFM vs. the 914 50 CFM.  I checked, it 
doesn't blow the tubes out of their sockets (at least @ sea level).

Bob 



From crawfish at surfmore.net  Wed Feb  2 22:38:38 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Crawfish)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Modern Equivalent of 35T and 203A
Message-ID: <000801c509a1$da26fce0$1ab7da41@default>

Does anyone know what a modern equivalent would be for a 35T or 203A tube be? I have a 400-watt output transmitter from West Coast 1939 and 1946 Handbooks that use the 35T( made by Taylor) as a buffer between a 6L6 and two HK254/100TH's, and the 203A's are push-pull modulators for same.
                                                                                                                                                Joe W4AAB

From w3slk at uplink.net  Wed Feb  2 23:14:42 2005
From: w3slk at uplink.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Modern Equivalent of 35T and 203A
References: <000801c509a1$da26fce0$1ab7da41@default>
Message-ID: <000801c509a6$e5c2b0d0$f3f945cf@D9PBT931>

I had a Stancor 202 transmitter that utilized a 35T in the final. The manual 
also said you could use an 811. That might help.
Mike(y)
W3SLK
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To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Modern Equivalent of 35T and 203A


Does anyone know what a modern equivalent would be for a 35T or 203A tube 
be? I have a 400-watt output transmitter from West Coast 1939 and 1946 
Handbooks that use the 35T( made by Taylor) as a buffer between a 6L6 and 
two HK254/100TH's, and the 203A's are push-pull modulators for same.
                                                                             
                                                                    Joe 
W4AAB
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From ka1iic at prexar.com  Wed Feb  2 23:29:45 2005
From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Wesa Werber)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Modern Equivalent of 35T and 203A
In-Reply-To: <000801c509a6$e5c2b0d0$f3f945cf@D9PBT931>
References: <000801c509a1$da26fce0$1ab7da41@default>
	<000801c509a6$e5c2b0d0$f3f945cf@D9PBT931>
Message-ID: <200502022329.45833@vincewerber.org>

Hi...

I just dug out my 1954 ARRL handbook and here's what I found;

the 35T has a 3G base 5.0 volts at 4 amperes filiment

maximum plate dissapation in watts 50... maximum plate current 150 ma

maximum plate voltage 2,000 volts...  maximum grid current 50 ma

It has an amp factor of 39

Other names for this tube include; 3-50A4 ( 3G base) and 3-50D4 and 35TG (with 
a 2D base)

Hope this might help
73
Vince
ka1iic



On Wednesday 02 February 2005 11:14 pm, Mike Sawyer wrote:
> I had a Stancor 202 transmitter that utilized a 35T in the final. The
> manual also said you could use an 811. That might help.
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Crawfish" <crawfish@surfmore.net>
> To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:38 PM
> Subject: [AMRadio] Modern Equivalent of 35T and 203A
>
>
> Does anyone know what a modern equivalent would be for a 35T or 203A tube
> be? I have a 400-watt output transmitter from West Coast 1939 and 1946
> Handbooks that use the 35T( made by Taylor) as a buffer between a 6L6 and
> two HK254/100TH's, and the 203A's are push-pull modulators for same.
>
>                                                                     Joe
> W4AAB
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  3 12:19:47 2005
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (charles free)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ARC5's and Surplus stores
Message-ID: <20050203171947.43501.qmail@web53209.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

Thought I would drop a note concerning surplus in the
Southeast, since Calif. and others seem well
represented.  Down in Jacksonville Fla, for who knows
how long, ACME Electronics on Main Street was the
local mecca of electronic surplus.  As a fledgling ham
in the '60's, it was one of my favorite haunts because
I could actually afford some of the things he had.  I
think the owner had a little bit of everything in his
store, except that spine shaft to remote tune the ARC5
and similar items.  He lived above the store.
  I remember getting a couple ARN 1 Radio Altimeters
for $1 each, with the owner telling me that the
"wobulator" in there will be worth something one day. 
This was a mechanical modulator to FM the TX.  The
acorn tubes and UHF circuitry were a playground for
a tinkerer.  Put filament and B+ to it just to get it
going for fun.  Still have one complete and untouched,
the other, well, the chassis was turned into a 12VDC
supply. Still waiting for the wobulator to cash in.
  I had to pass up a Collins BC TX crystaled for the
high end of the BC band that he had for $100.  I
recall that it had all the tubes, was in a standard
width approx 6ft rack.  I didn't have the 100 bucks,
and who back then would ever think of putting one of
those on the ham bands.  Besides, it had no VFO and
this ex-rockbound Novice, now General, didn't want to
regress.  
  I did pick up the AC power supply for my NAVY TCS
series TX and RX for a whopping $10.  He had all the
correct connectors too!  I actually took this thing
home on a city bus, it weighing in at about 100lbs and
me about 150 at the time.  After making up cable, and
removing the homebrew power supplies I had for the
TCS, it actually worked!  Used it for a time on 160
meter AM, in the days of freq and power restrictions
due to LORAN. Ed Edwards, WA4SGF was the local 160
meter king back then in North Florida.  He didn't mind
the AM rig, he was just happy to have more folks on
the band.
   Once, the store owner just gave me an ARN6 RDF. I
messed with this for a time,tracing wiring and drawing
pictures and wondering why the 24V filament seemed to
be wired to B+.  Well it was and the thing was a great
VLF and BC set with beautiful audio, all off of 24
volts.  I applied this idea to my ARC 5 Rcvrs and sure
enough, if you use headphones, they work fine with 24V
to the tubes, with a jumper across the terminals on
the dynamotor chassis connector, sans the dynamotor,
to put 24V to the plates.  A few years later, I would
actually be working on the ARN-6 control panel that
could operate two of them simulataneously, which was
still in USN use at the time of the early '70's. 
Don't know what aircraft, perhaps the S2F's which were
still around.
  I have forgotten the owners name now, and after he
passed away, his son emptied the store and sold it.  I
think it was finally demolished, but have not been
back to JAX in 13 years, just can't remember.
  I'll save the tales of my run ins with "GOVT.
SURPLUS SALES", out US Highway 1 for another time.
 
Charlie, W4MEC in NC








	
		
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From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 14:01:23 2005
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] surplus sites/boatanchor haunts sought
Message-ID: <9ccb8c510502031101635c9f19@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings - 

Looking for information on possible surplus outlets and other items of
heavy radio interest, as well as any events taking place in the month
of February, in or around the Tampa Bay/Clearwater area of Florida. So
far the only plan is to take a look at Kermit's toys up in Polk City
and visit a Cold War display in Tampa. I realize that the day of the
surplus radio store has all but vanished, but it would still be nice
to find some stuff to look at. Wouldn't mind meeting up with some of
the folks from the lists for coffee, lunch, or just a good ol' BS
session. A conveniently-scheduled February hamfest would be too much
to ask for, I know.

Many thanks - 

de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ

From manualman at juno.com  Thu Feb  3 14:45:25 2005
From: manualman at juno.com (peter markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: Re: [Boatanchors] surplus sites/boatanchor haunts
	sought
Message-ID: <20050203.144525.2732.5.manualman@juno.com>

One only has to go here to find out:
http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html#listing

Feb. 5 and 6
Miami, FL
Fair Expo Center
10901 SW 24th Street


Feb 11-13
Orlando, FL

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:01:23 -0500 "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq@gmail.com>
writes:
> Greetings - 
> 
> Looking for information on possible surplus outlets and other items 
> of
> heavy radio interest, as well as any events taking place in the 
> month
> of February, in or around the Tampa Bay/Clearwater area of Florida. 
> So
> far the only plan is to take a look at Kermit's toys up in Polk 
> City
> and visit a Cold War display in Tampa. I realize that the day of 
> the
> surplus radio store has all but vanished, but it would still be 
> nice
> to find some stuff to look at. Wouldn't mind meeting up with some 
> of
> the folks from the lists for coffee, lunch, or just a good ol' BS
> session. A conveniently-scheduled February hamfest would be too 
> much
> to ask for, I know.
> 
> Many thanks - 
> 
> de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ
From rwgillespie at msn.com  Thu Feb  3 14:52:57 2005
From: rwgillespie at msn.com (RICHARD W GILLESPIE)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] YO-100 Scope Help
Message-ID: <BAY11-F15B28F4E61D550BC0C8CB5A47F0@phx.gbl>

Just got the Yaesu scope. Got it showing correct patterns on SSB. Hooked up 
to my Ranger and can not seem to get it adjusted to show the correct pattern 
on AM. I believe my modulation set-up is okay. If anyone who is using one 
could give me some help on settings or set-up would be appreciated. Thanks.

Dick/K5DIC

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From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Thu Feb  3 19:36:24 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: [Boatanchors] surplus sites/boatanchor haunts sought
In-Reply-To: <9ccb8c510502031101635c9f19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050204003624.49866.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>

Todd,

  The only place that vaguely resembles a surplus house is probably  Skycraft
Electronics on Fairbanks Ave in Winter Park near Orlando.

 Some vintage test equipment. Excellent wire selection. In fact, I was driving
from Tampa to Cleveland and stopped in to see if what they had. As it turned
out they had the exact S0 covered wire to make up a generator cable for my
GRC9. I had gotten the connectors at Dayton from Mendelson.

 Other than that there is mostly parts & hardware. No BC348's No crates of
813s...

 de KA4JVY

 Mark



--- "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings - 
> 
> Looking for information on possible surplus outlets and other items of
> heavy radio interest, as well as any events taking place in the month
> of February, in or around the Tampa Bay/Clearwater area of Florida. So
> far the only plan is to take a look at Kermit's toys up in Polk City
> and visit a Cold War display in Tampa. I realize that the day of the
> surplus radio store has all but vanished, but it would still be nice
> to find some stuff to look at. Wouldn't mind meeting up with some of
> the folks from the lists for coffee, lunch, or just a good ol' BS
> session. A conveniently-scheduled February hamfest would be too much
> to ask for, I know.
> 
> Many thanks - 
> 
> de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ
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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 19:56:25 2005
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Modern Equivalent of 35T and 203A
In-Reply-To: <200502022329.45833@vincewerber.org>
Message-ID: <BAY22-F375E2A93657ED91D27AF75F4710@phx.gbl>


You might be able to use a pair of 838's or 805's in place of the 203A's.  
The 838's have the same pin connections, while the 805's bring the plate 
lead out of a plate cap on top of the tube; otherwise they are essentially 
the same tube, with the same filament current as the 203A.  The 838 and 805 
run zero bias up to about 1000 volts on the plate.  Above that, they require 
a few volts of bias to keep the resting plate current at a reasonable value.

Also, a 211 is a near-identical tube, but it is lower mu, and would require 
larger grid voltage swing and more bias, so your present audio driver might 
not work satisfactorily with this tube.

I have seen 203A's advertised from time to time, not any more overpriced 
than other triode transmitting tubes in this era of audiophools with an 
excessive supply of oxygen-free money but lacking in fully oxygenated 
brains.

Don K4KYV



From crawfish at surfmore.net  Fri Feb  4 20:36:52 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Joe Crawford)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Modern Equivalent of 35T and 203A
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F375E2A93657ED91D27AF75F4710@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY22-F375E2A93657ED91D27AF75F4710@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <courier.42042334.000035C9@surfmore.net>

Thanks, Don. I have one 838. Was going to look it up and see what it was 
for. That circuit just looks like a winner. Of course, with my newly 
acquired supply of 4-125's, I will go that route. Still looking for mod 
transformer.Again, thanks to all who responded!!
                                          Joe W4AAB 


Donald Chester writes: 

> 
> You might be able to use a pair of 838's or 805's in place of the 203A's.  
> The 838's have the same pin connections, while the 805's bring the plate 
> lead out of a plate cap on top of the tube; otherwise they are essentially 
> the same tube, with the same filament current as the 203A.  The 838 and 
> 805 run zero bias up to about 1000 volts on the plate.  Above that, they 
> require a few volts of bias to keep the resting plate current at a 
> reasonable value. 
> 
> Also, a 211 is a near-identical tube, but it is lower mu, and would 
> require larger grid voltage swing and more bias, so your present audio 
> driver might not work satisfactorily with this tube. 
> 
> I have seen 203A's advertised from time to time, not any more overpriced 
> than other triode transmitting tubes in this era of audiophools with an 
> excessive supply of oxygen-free money but lacking in fully oxygenated 
> brains. 
> 
> Don K4KYV 
> 
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From jcandela at prodigy.net  Sun Feb  6 17:07:24 2005
From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim candela)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
In-Reply-To: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525680@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLOEPKDNAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>


It was said:

> I'm thinking probably power lines, but maybe I should try
> a battery-operated radio and turn off the power to the whole house before
I
> come to that conclusion.

Comment by me:

 Excellent idea! Just don't do it during the super Bowl!



At my last QTH, I got lucky and tracked a line noise problem to it's source:

http://pages.prodigy.net/jcandela/Pole/Pole.JPG


I was going up and down streets power pole to power pole on my bicycle with
a AM Walkman radio tuned to 540 and 1700 Khz. The noise went up and down
differently due the different wavelength between the two frequencies. At one
point the noise peaked at both frequencies, and had a hideous growl to it.
The offending pole was very close, and the arcing was audible without the
Walkman. I came back at night and saw the purple glow. The power company
fixed me up, but that took a while.

If you have a VHF HT that also receives AM aircraft frequencies (108-136
Mhz?), then you might find a noise problem quicker since the noise fades
much quicker from the source than AM broadcast frequencies do. A 3 element
beam for directivity would be nice too.

Regards,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO
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From bell at blazenet.net  Sun Feb  6 23:01:26 2005
From: bell at blazenet.net (Mark Bell)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Feb 05 Classic Exchange 
Message-ID: <000501c50cc9$b29387e0$88276818@bell1>

http://qsl.asti.net/CX/Feb05Announcement.html

73 Mark K3MSB

From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Feb  6 23:54:56 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 20V-2 Parts needed
Message-ID: <000501c50cd1$2b79ade0$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

Having acquired a 20V-2 here in Florida over the weekend,  I find that I 
need a meter mounting plate.  This is the black insulated panel that the 5 
Simpson 27's fit into.  Also need replacement meters for the multi meter, 
plate current and the RF ammeter.  If you have some of these items that you 
would be willing to part with, please contact me.  Also looking for some 
pilot lamps and the plate lens.

Thanks,

Bob W6TR
Valrico, FL 



From merz.ds at mellon.com  Mon Feb  7 10:45:03 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: 25.7VDC/3A Supply, Eico 717 and HA-1A Keyers
Message-ID: <20050207154507.7485.qmail@mellon.com>

For Sale

Technipower 25.7VDC, 3A power supply in a sealed gray box designed for chassis mounting. 7 inches high by 6.5 inches long by 5 inches deep. With 4 studs and connections on bottom for mounting like an inverted transformer. Perfect for powering your command set receiver dynamotors or ARB or other 28V military dynamotor. Working as designed. $40

Eico 717 Keyer. Nice. Untested. $30

Hallicrafters HA-1A Keyer. Very nice. Working as of a year ago. $75

Thanks for looking.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT
 
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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Mon Feb  7 10:56:25 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: BAs on the Block
Message-ID: <20050207155627.959.qmail@mellon.com>

I am going to rearrange my corner of the basement in a way that eliminates some shelving. So the radios on those shelves have to go. Here's what I am going to be selling. I'll knock $500 off the $2,075 total if someone wants to come and pick them all up. Otherwise prices will be "plus shipping". Please e-mail me if you have any interest.


B&W 5100. Nice front panel. Blue metallic cabinet. Untested. $300

National NC-300. Good front panel and cabinet. Untested. Probably will come right up after cap reforming. $175

Johnson Viking Valiant. Good front panel but finger wear around toggle switches. Cabinet scratches. One foot broken. Untested. $300

Collins 75A2. Cabinet repainted excellent St. James Gray powdercoat. Otherwise original. BFO not working. $400

Hallicrafters SX-100. Beautiful front panel and VG cabinet. Light scratch on VU meter. Nice inside. Untested. $300

Harvey Wells Bandmaster Deluxe with HW VFO and original HW power supply. Very nice looking except PS which is just average.  Works. $450

WRL Globe Scout 40. The original Scout. Only one set of coils. Excellent original condition. Working. $150

There's no rust or corrosion or other problems. No ugly surprises and no front panel modifications (probably no visible modifications at all). I believe these to be in original condition. All have original knobs with tuning controls and band switches that work. I think I have the manuals for everything, some are originals and some are copies.


Thanks for looking.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT
 
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From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 11:39:43 2005
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: surplus sites/boatanchor haunts sought
In-Reply-To: <9ccb8c510502031101635c9f19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9ccb8c510502031101635c9f19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ccb8c510502070839e431349@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to all who offered suggestions that ranged from Miami to
Kentucky(!). Looks like the radio plan is to visit Hamcation, Bill
Howard's museum, maybe Skycraft and another surplus place, along with
meeting some list members. Should be a fun visit, and it sure beats
the -20F we had a week or so back.

73, Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ


On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:01:23 -0500, Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings -
> 
> Looking for information on possible surplus outlets and other items of
> heavy radio interest, as well as any events taking place in the month
> of February, in or around the Tampa Bay/Clearwater area of Florida.

From ham at urlhits.com  Mon Feb  7 22:07:43 2005
From: ham at urlhits.com (Fred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: BAs on the Block
References: <20050207155627.959.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <022901c50d8b$5c0bf570$047ba8c0@fs>

Hi Don

Do you still have the viking valiant .

Fred
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
To: "'Amradio (E-mail)" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "'Baswaplist' (E-mail)"
<baswaplist@foothill.net>; "'Glowbugs (E-mail)"
<glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: BAs on the Block


I am going to rearrange my corner of the basement in a way that eliminates
some shelving. So the radios on those shelves have to go. Here's what I am
going to be selling. I'll knock $500 off the $2,075 total if someone wants
to come and pick them all up. Otherwise prices will be "plus shipping".
Please e-mail me if you have any interest.


B&W 5100. Nice front panel. Blue metallic cabinet. Untested. $300

National NC-300. Good front panel and cabinet. Untested. Probably will come
right up after cap reforming. $175

Johnson Viking Valiant. Good front panel but finger wear around toggle
switches. Cabinet scratches. One foot broken. Untested. $300

Collins 75A2. Cabinet repainted excellent St. James Gray powdercoat.
Otherwise original. BFO not working. $400

Hallicrafters SX-100. Beautiful front panel and VG cabinet. Light scratch on
VU meter. Nice inside. Untested. $300

Harvey Wells Bandmaster Deluxe with HW VFO and original HW power supply.
Very nice looking except PS which is just average.  Works. $450

WRL Globe Scout 40. The original Scout. Only one set of coils. Excellent
original condition. Working. $150

There's no rust or corrosion or other problems. No ugly surprises and no
front panel modifications (probably no visible modifications at all). I
believe these to be in original condition. All have original knobs with
tuning controls and band switches that work. I think I have the manuals for
everything, some are originals and some are copies.


Thanks for looking.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

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From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Feb  7 22:30:14 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 20V-2
Message-ID: <00d201c50d8e$80f2cc80$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

Cancel my want for the meter panel.  I repaired the one that was broken. 
Still need some meters though.  Can anyone give me direction how how 
complicated putting this transmitter on 160?  The book by Bill Carn was 
great for modifying the 20V-3 for 75 but now I thinking that maybe I would 
put the 20V-2 on 160.

Bob 



From gblau at w3am.com  Mon Feb  7 23:15:21 2005
From: gblau at w3am.com (Gary Blau)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 20V-2
References: <00d201c50d8e$80f2cc80$7e0b5c18@W6TR>
Message-ID: <42083CD9.208E900C@w3am.com>

Glad you were able to reclaim the meter panel, at least.

g

Bob Maser wrote:
> 
> Cancel my want for the meter panel.  I repaired the one that was broken.
> Still need some meters though.  Can anyone give me direction how how
> complicated putting this transmitter on 160?  The book by Bill Carn was
> great for modifying the 20V-3 for 75 but now I thinking that maybe I would
> put the 20V-2 on 160.


From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Feb  7 23:45:10 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 20V-2
References: <00d201c50d8e$80f2cc80$7e0b5c18@W6TR> <42083CD9.208E900C@w3am.com>
Message-ID: <010501c50d98$f8727d50$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

Gary, I tried to send you a few pics of my efforts but your E Mail address 
won't accept attachments.

Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Blau" <gblau@w3am.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 20V-2


> Glad you were able to reclaim the meter panel, at least.
>
> g
>
> Bob Maser wrote:
>>
>> Cancel my want for the meter panel.  I repaired the one that was broken.
>> Still need some meters though.  Can anyone give me direction how how
>> complicated putting this transmitter on 160?  The book by Bill Carn was
>> great for modifying the 20V-3 for 75 but now I thinking that maybe I 
>> would
>> put the 20V-2 on 160.
>
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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Tue Feb  8 09:23:00 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: BAs on the Block
Message-ID: <20050208142302.4218.qmail@mellon.com>

Yes. I will be slowly putting all these on eBay over the next 6 weeks.
Let me know if you're interested.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:08 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FS: BAs on the Block


Hi Don

Do you still have the viking valiant .

Fred
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
To: "'Amradio (E-mail)" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "'Baswaplist' (E-mail)"
<baswaplist@foothill.net>; "'Glowbugs (E-mail)"
<glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: BAs on the Block


I am going to rearrange my corner of the basement in a way that eliminates
some shelving. So the radios on those shelves have to go. Here's what I am
going to be selling. I'll knock $500 off the $2,075 total if someone wants
to come and pick them all up. Otherwise prices will be "plus shipping".
Please e-mail me if you have any interest.


B&W 5100. Nice front panel. Blue metallic cabinet. Untested. $300

National NC-300. Good front panel and cabinet. Untested. Probably will come
right up after cap reforming. $175

Johnson Viking Valiant. Good front panel but finger wear around toggle
switches. Cabinet scratches. One foot broken. Untested. $300

Collins 75A2. Cabinet repainted excellent St. James Gray powdercoat.
Otherwise original. BFO not working. $400

Hallicrafters SX-100. Beautiful front panel and VG cabinet. Light scratch on
VU meter. Nice inside. Untested. $300

Harvey Wells Bandmaster Deluxe with HW VFO and original HW power supply.
Very nice looking except PS which is just average.  Works. $450

WRL Globe Scout 40. The original Scout. Only one set of coils. Excellent
original condition. Working. $150

There's no rust or corrosion or other problems. No ugly surprises and no
front panel modifications (probably no visible modifications at all). I
believe these to be in original condition. All have original knobs with
tuning controls and band switches that work. I think I have the manuals for
everything, some are originals and some are copies.


Thanks for looking.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 18:16:13 2005
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board
In-Reply-To: <000001c302eb$d1d56860$0200a8c0@home1>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F280C934C6F65FD29685191F4740@phx.gbl>


>Yes indeed one of the best utilities there is for modern day cleanup of
>spy ware.  I highly recommend it.  I seems thought that it is a little
>difficult to get to for all the advertising so I have put it on my site
>for quick and easy download of the installation program.

I also have Spybot Search and Destroy, and update it regularly.  But I 
wonder about its effectiveness.  Everytime I run it, it always finds the 
exact same 5 registry entries and deletes them.  So last time I tried an 
experiment.  I ran it, and sure enough it deleted those registry entries.  I 
IMMEDIATELY rescanned, and sure enough, it once again found the exact same 5 
"problems" and fixed them.  I am wondering if it is really finding anything 
or fixing anything.

Ad-Aware usually finds a long list of "date miner" cookies and deletes them, 
but nearly all are rated as "low risk."  I usually run it about once a week.

Don K4KYV



From macklinbob at msn.com  Tue Feb  8 18:35:27 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board
References: <BAY104-F280C934C6F65FD29685191F4740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV86258746863EE57CBD123C5740@phx.gbl>

SpyBot does not block SpyWaer. It just removes them. Your most common source
of spyware is from FREE message boards like Yahoo. These sites that draw
their revene are the problem. I tried blocking Yahoo with the cookie
controls but than it would not allow access.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board


>
> >Yes indeed one of the best utilities there is for modern day cleanup of
> >spy ware.  I highly recommend it.  I seems thought that it is a little
> >difficult to get to for all the advertising so I have put it on my site
> >for quick and easy download of the installation program.
>
> I also have Spybot Search and Destroy, and update it regularly.  But I
> wonder about its effectiveness.  Everytime I run it, it always finds the
> exact same 5 registry entries and deletes them.  So last time I tried an
> experiment.  I ran it, and sure enough it deleted those registry entries.
I
> IMMEDIATELY rescanned, and sure enough, it once again found the exact same
5
> "problems" and fixed them.  I am wondering if it is really finding
anything
> or fixing anything.
>
> Ad-Aware usually finds a long list of "date miner" cookies and deletes
them,
> but nearly all are rated as "low risk."  I usually run it about once a
week.
>
> Don K4KYV
>
>
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From nq5t at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 18:42:24 2005
From: nq5t at comcast.net (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F280C934C6F65FD29685191F4740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050208235118.EA33D859C0B@mailman.qth.net>

 
> Ad-Aware usually finds a long list of "date miner" cookies 
> and deletes them, but nearly all are rated as "low risk."  I 
> usually run it about once a week.

The real problem isn't cookies, which are mostly a nuisance.  It's easy
enough to delete those manually.  It's trojan processes which can do the
real damage, along with some bad things that can be done to you in Java
Script (so much so, that I'd like to just turn it off, but some websites I
frequent regularly are based on it).

I've used both Spybot and Ad-Aware in the past.  Based on several product
reviews/comparisons, I've switched to Webroot Spy Sweeper, which is a
subscription-based thingy, but so far has been very effective.  It monitors
things like adds to the startup folder or startup registry, attempts to
change your homepage or add (unsavory) entries to your "favorites", etc. in
real time, and has caught a couple of unexpected baddies from some unnamed
websites I've hit "accidentally".  

Unfortunately, no one of these protection mechanisms is perfect, and the bad
guys keep getting smarter ...

Grant/NQ5T


> 
> Don K4KYV
> 
> 
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From w7md at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 19:12:23 2005
From: w7md at comcast.net (Damon Raphael)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board
References: <BAY104-F280C934C6F65FD29685191F4740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001a01c50e3c$0802b930$0201a8c0@virgo>

Are you using TeaTimer?
If you enable it (resident module), TeaTimer will tell you if something is 
trying to write to the registry and not permit the write unless you OK it.

Damon, W7MD

> I also have Spybot Search and Destroy, and update it regularly.  But I 
> wonder about its effectiveness.  Everytime I run it, it always finds the 
> exact same 5 registry entries and deletes them.  So last time I tried an 
> experiment.  I ran it, and sure enough it deleted those registry entries. 
> I IMMEDIATELY rescanned, and sure enough, it once again found the exact 
> same 5 "problems" and fixed them.  I am wondering if it is really finding 
> anything or fixing anything.
>
> Ad-Aware usually finds a long list of "date miner" cookies and deletes 
> them, but nearly all are rated as "low risk."  I usually run it about once 
> a week.
>
> Don K4KYV
>
>
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From macklinbob at msn.com  Tue Feb  8 19:31:38 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board
References: <BAY104-F280C934C6F65FD29685191F4740@phx.gbl>
	<001a01c50e3c$0802b930$0201a8c0@virgo>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2210123BF20FCF9742207CC5750@phx.gbl>

When running Windows trying to defeat these things is HOPELESS! Microsoft
wants it this way. When the third party sources find ways to block it
Microsoft will release a SECURITY PATCH and undo it. I was running Norton
AntiSpam and I got a notice from MSN that I need to update my Windows
installation. After I did the update the Norton AntiSpam did not function.
Even reinstalling the Norton software did not work.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Damon Raphael" <w7md@comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board


> Are you using TeaTimer?
> If you enable it (resident module), TeaTimer will tell you if something is
> trying to write to the registry and not permit the write unless you OK it.
>
> Damon, W7MD
>
> > I also have Spybot Search and Destroy, and update it regularly.  But I
> > wonder about its effectiveness.  Everytime I run it, it always finds the
> > exact same 5 registry entries and deletes them.  So last time I tried an
> > experiment.  I ran it, and sure enough it deleted those registry
entries.
> > I IMMEDIATELY rescanned, and sure enough, it once again found the exact
> > same 5 "problems" and fixed them.  I am wondering if it is really
finding
> > anything or fixing anything.
> >
> > Ad-Aware usually finds a long list of "date miner" cookies and deletes
> > them, but nearly all are rated as "low risk."  I usually run it about
once
> > a week.
> >
> > Don K4KYV
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > AMRadio mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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> > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
>
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From don.schichler at PaeTec.com  Wed Feb  9 08:30:33 2005
From: don.schichler at PaeTec.com (Schichler, Don)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Classic Exchange
Message-ID: <F1A2A9D2DED2094BAA5A23E6AE4ECBFFDFCA49@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>

Thought I would post it here in case anybody missed it.  Sounds like fun.

73, Don K2FY


-----Original Message-----
From: Boat Anchor Owners and Collectors List
[mailto:BOATANCHORS@LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV]On Behalf Of howard holden
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:53 PM
To: BOATANCHORS@LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV
Subject: [BOATANCHORS-TEMPE] Classic Exchange


For those "in the know" see ya Sunday. For those who don't, read on, and 
then see ya Sunday!

Howie WB2AWQ


Classic Exchange "CX"
The CX is a no-pressure contest celebrating the older commercial and 
homebrew equipment that was the pride and joy of ham shacks many decades 
ago.
The object is to encourage restoration, operation and enjoyment of this 
older "Classic" equipment. However, you need not operate a Classic rig to 
participate in the CX.
YOU MAY USE ANY RIG in the contest although new gear is a distinct scoring 
disadvantage. You can still work the "great ones" with modern equipment.
WHEN - WHERE - WHAT
The CX will run from 1400 UTC February 13 to 0800 UTC February 14, 2005.
(9 AM Eastern Time on Sunday to 3 AM Eastern Time Monday)
CW: Send "CQ CX"
Phone: Call "CQ Classic Exchange"
SUGGESTED FREQUENCIES:

    CW: 1.810   3.545   7.045   14.045   21.135
28.180 Mc.

    AM:  1.890   3.880   7.290   14.286
21.420   29.000 Mc.

SSB: 3.870  7.280  14.270  21.370  28.490 Mc.

Exchange your name, RST, QTH (state US, province for Canada, country for 
DX),
receiver and transmitter manufacturer/model (homebrew send final amp tube or 
transistor type) and other interesting conversation.
The same station may be worked with different equipment combinations on each 
band and in each mode.
Non-participating stations may be worked for credit.
SCORING
Multiply total number of QSO's (all bands and all modes) by
the sum of the different types of receivers and transmitters you worked
(transceivers count both as a transmitter and a receiver)
plus the number states/provinces/countries worked on each band and each 
mode.
Multiply that product by your CX multiplier, which is the total of years old 
of all receivers and transmitters used.
Each receiver or transmitter must be used in a minimum of three QSO's to be 
counted in the multiplier.
If the equipment is homebrew, count it as a minimum of 25 years old unless 
actual construction date or date of its construction article (in the case of 
a 'reproduction") is older.
Total QSO's all bands
times
RCVRs + XMTRs+ states/provinces/countries
(total each band and mode separately; add totals together)
times
CX Multiplier:
(total years age of all transmitters and receivers used)
SCORE= QSO's x (RX +TX+QTH's) x CX Multiplier

Certificates and appropriate memorabilia are awarded every now and then for 
the highest score, the longest DX, exotic equipment, best excuses and other 
unusual achievements.
Send logs, comments, anecdotes, pictures, etc. to J.D. "Mac" Mac Aulay, WQ8U
at
WQ8U@ARRL.NET
Or by mail to:
WQ8U
6235 Wooden Shoe Lane
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From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Wed Feb  9 08:35:59 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Classic Exchange
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F4045256E6@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

I'm planning on getting in on that if I remember.

I was playing with the monitor scope a little yesterday. I took the CRT out,
and connected it to your monitorscope. At first I didn't see anything on it,
but after fiddling with the knobs, I got a trace. It didn't seem as bright
as yours, but maybe that's because it was sitting out in the open. At least
I know the CRT works. I also have 300 volts and 600 volts where I'm supposed
to, so at least that part of the power supply is good. I'll have to do some
more investigating when I have time.


-----Original Message-----
From: Schichler, Don [mailto:don.schichler@PaeTec.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:31 AM
To: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [AMRadio] Classic Exchange


Thought I would post it here in case anybody missed it.  Sounds like fun.

73, Don K2FY


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From: Boat Anchor Owners and Collectors List
[mailto:BOATANCHORS@LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV]On Behalf Of howard holden
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:53 PM
To: BOATANCHORS@LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV
Subject: [BOATANCHORS-TEMPE] Classic Exchange


For those "in the know" see ya Sunday. For those who don't, read on, and 
then see ya Sunday!

Howie WB2AWQ


Classic Exchange "CX"
The CX is a no-pressure contest celebrating the older commercial and 
homebrew equipment that was the pride and joy of ham shacks many decades 
ago.
The object is to encourage restoration, operation and enjoyment of this 
older "Classic" equipment. However, you need not operate a Classic rig to 
participate in the CX.
YOU MAY USE ANY RIG in the contest although new gear is a distinct scoring 
disadvantage. You can still work the "great ones" with modern equipment.
WHEN - WHERE - WHAT
The CX will run from 1400 UTC February 13 to 0800 UTC February 14, 2005.
(9 AM Eastern Time on Sunday to 3 AM Eastern Time Monday)
CW: Send "CQ CX"
Phone: Call "CQ Classic Exchange"
SUGGESTED FREQUENCIES:

    CW: 1.810   3.545   7.045   14.045   21.135
28.180 Mc.

    AM:  1.890   3.880   7.290   14.286
21.420   29.000 Mc.

SSB: 3.870  7.280  14.270  21.370  28.490 Mc.

Exchange your name, RST, QTH (state US, province for Canada, country for 
DX),
receiver and transmitter manufacturer/model (homebrew send final amp tube or

transistor type) and other interesting conversation.
The same station may be worked with different equipment combinations on each

band and in each mode.
Non-participating stations may be worked for credit.
SCORING
Multiply total number of QSO's (all bands and all modes) by
the sum of the different types of receivers and transmitters you worked
(transceivers count both as a transmitter and a receiver)
plus the number states/provinces/countries worked on each band and each 
mode.
Multiply that product by your CX multiplier, which is the total of years old

of all receivers and transmitters used.
Each receiver or transmitter must be used in a minimum of three QSO's to be 
counted in the multiplier.
If the equipment is homebrew, count it as a minimum of 25 years old unless 
actual construction date or date of its construction article (in the case of

a 'reproduction") is older.
Total QSO's all bands
times
RCVRs + XMTRs+ states/provinces/countries
(total each band and mode separately; add totals together)
times
CX Multiplier:
(total years age of all transmitters and receivers used)
SCORE= QSO's x (RX +TX+QTH's) x CX Multiplier

Certificates and appropriate memorabilia are awarded every now and then for 
the highest score, the longest DX, exotic equipment, best excuses and other 
unusual achievements.
Send logs, comments, anecdotes, pictures, etc. to J.D. "Mac" Mac Aulay, WQ8U
at
WQ8U@ARRL.NET
Or by mail to:
WQ8U
6235 Wooden Shoe Lane
Centerville, OH 45459
The CX Newsletter and announcement of next CX will be posted on the CX web 
site:
http://qsl.asti.com/CX
Questions about CX, its origin, history, and idiosyncrasies, as well as 
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or
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From rwgillespie at msn.com  Wed Feb  9 11:06:25 2005
From: rwgillespie at msn.com (RICHARD W GILLESPIE)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 100V Mic Connector
Message-ID: <BAY11-F161A006C0BA7EE87C878CAA4750@phx.gbl>

Could anyone tell me what type of mic connector I would need for the CE 
100V. Thanks.


Dick/K5DIC

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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Thu Feb 10 11:05:59 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board
Message-ID: <20050210160611.11796.qmail@mellon.com>

There is at least one class of spy ware that Spy bot and Ad-aware cannot delete. These are the ones that you are seeing pop back up after scanning and fixing. SB and AA can usually see them, but can't fix them. The best approach for these is to write down the names that you see from the Ad-aware run, then go to google and look them up. A few quick searches will usually take you to a list of steps for removing the offender as well as some text that describes what kind of bug you have caught. Be prepared to do some scary registry editing.

The BEST cure for spy ware is to switch web browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox. Microsoft IE is a spy-ware magnet. Firefox is open-source freeware and available for download.

73, Don Merz, N3RHT


-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Donald Chester
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:16 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] AM Bulletin Board



>Yes indeed one of the best utilities there is for modern day cleanup of
>spy ware.  I highly recommend it.  I seems thought that it is a little
>difficult to get to for all the advertising so I have put it on my site
>for quick and easy download of the installation program.

I also have Spybot Search and Destroy, and update it regularly.  But I 
wonder about its effectiveness.  Everytime I run it, it always finds the 
exact same 5 registry entries and deletes them.  So last time I tried an 
experiment.  I ran it, and sure enough it deleted those registry entries.  I 
IMMEDIATELY rescanned, and sure enough, it once again found the exact same 5 
"problems" and fixed them.  I am wondering if it is really finding anything 
or fixing anything.

Ad-Aware usually finds a long list of "date miner" cookies and deletes them, 
but nearly all are rated as "low risk."  I usually run it about once a week.

Don K4KYV


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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 10 18:09:47 2005
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
In-Reply-To: <NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLOEPKDNAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F10382B6DDEB167A28ABA67F4760@phx.gbl>



>I was going up and down streets power pole to power pole on my bicycle with
>a AM Walkman radio tuned to 540 and 1700 Khz.

I use a Radio Shack aircraft receiver.  About the size of a HT, and makes a 
nice line noise sniffer.  The bicycly is a good idea also, since every 
vehicle we have here, new and old,  swamps out the entire spectrum with 
ignition noise.  I have gone noise sniffing in the car, picking up momentum 
and then cutting off the engine and pushing in the clutch and coasted until 
the car nearly stopped, then turned back on the ignition and popped t he 
clutch to restart the engine to regain momentum and start the  process all 
over again.  Other drivers on the road seemed to assume I was having car 
trouble and would ask if I needed help.

k4kyv



From joe at tronixland.com  Thu Feb 10 21:11:02 2005
From: joe at tronixland.com (joe@tronixland.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Modulation Transformer Info Needed
Message-ID: <001b01c50fde$f07939c0$b18c8041@HPA350NJoe>

Hi All,

I have a B&W 5100-B that has a replacement Triad M-12A multimatch modulation 
transformer installed in it. It was doing a nice job then quit modulating. I 
took the covers off and found a bundle of burnt up wire ends in  melted 
electrical tape from the various taps either tied together or separated or 
both. The ends was too burnt to tell. I would like to wire it back if I can. 
Any color code lead information about the Triad M-12A or application with a 
5100 would be greatly appreciated.

Tnx es 73
Joe KF9EU
joe@tronixland.com 


From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Feb 10 22:15:30 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Simpson Meters
Message-ID: <00e701c50fe7$f130dae0$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

I am trying to find a replacement body for the plate meter on my 20V-2. The 
inner guts is OK but the front face is partially destroyed.  When I look in 
the user's manual, Collins does not identify the model number of the meters 
but they appear to be Simpson model 27.  I put a want on QTH.com and there 
has been several responses but when I send them a picture of the meter they 
say that their model 27 has extra vertical stripes in the lower corners than 
mine do.  Can someone tell me which Simpson meter I should be looking for?

Thanks

Bob  W6TR 



From ck at ckradio.net  Thu Feb 10 23:17:11 2005
From: ck at ckradio.net (Chris K.)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Simpson Meters
In-Reply-To: <00e701c50fe7$f130dae0$7e0b5c18@W6TR>
References: <00e701c50fe7$f130dae0$7e0b5c18@W6TR>
Message-ID: <420C31C7.9010406@ckradio.net>

Hi Bob
I'm sure I have one.  Please send me a close up of the design it has.  
73 Chris,  VE3NGW  Florida

Bob Maser wrote:

> I am trying to find a replacement body for the plate meter on my 
> 20V-2. The inner guts is OK but the front face is partially 
> destroyed.  When I look in the user's manual, Collins does not 
> identify the model number of the meters but they appear to be Simpson 
> model 27.  I put a want on QTH.com and there has been several 
> responses but when I send them a picture of the meter they say that 
> their model 27 has extra vertical stripes in the lower corners than 
> mine do.  Can someone tell me which Simpson meter I should be looking 
> for?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob  W6TR
>
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From AB3L1 at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 07:27:59 2005
From: AB3L1 at aol.com (AB3L1@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Simpson Meters
Message-ID: <0C01C47F.579CA134.0000C593@aol.com>

Bob,
Could you provide the measurements for the meter face? I have a few from a lab clean out. A pix would be nice too. 

Bob AB3L

From ASchichler at microwavedata.com  Fri Feb 11 08:12:06 2005
From: ASchichler at microwavedata.com (Schichler, Alfred)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
Message-ID: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525731@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>

Sounds like a good idea if my static comes back. It was there for several
days, then went away. 
I'm sure it will come back again sometime. (Hoping it won't though).


-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Chester [mailto:k4kyv@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:10 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem




>I was going up and down streets power pole to power pole on my bicycle with
>a AM Walkman radio tuned to 540 and 1700 Khz.

I use a Radio Shack aircraft receiver.  About the size of a HT, and makes a 
nice line noise sniffer.  The bicycly is a good idea also, since every 
vehicle we have here, new and old,  swamps out the entire spectrum with 
ignition noise.  I have gone noise sniffing in the car, picking up momentum 
and then cutting off the engine and pushing in the clutch and coasted until 
the car nearly stopped, then turned back on the ignition and popped t he 
clutch to restart the engine to regain momentum and start the  process all 
over again.  Other drivers on the road seemed to assume I was having car 
trouble and would ask if I needed help.

k4kyv


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From ka1iic at prexar.com  Fri Feb 11 08:39:45 2005
From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Wesa Werber)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Bad Static Problem
In-Reply-To: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525731@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
References: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F404525731@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
Message-ID: <200502110839.45815@vincewerber.org>

Just an idea...

You might want to keep a 'log' on the times you get this static...  
stuff like time of day duration, weather conditions etc etc...  
detective work that could lead you to formulate a source and then a 
possible resolution...

hope it works out for you
73
vince
ka1iic



On Friday 11 February 2005 08:12 am, Schichler, Alfred wrote:
> Sounds like a good idea if my static comes back. It was there for
> several days, then went away.
> I'm sure it will come back again sometime. (Hoping it won't
> though).
>


From rjmattson at hvi.net  Fri Feb 11 09:01:28 2005
From: rjmattson at hvi.net (RJ Mattson)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
References: <00e701c50fe7$f130dae0$7e0b5c18@W6TR>
	<420C31C7.9010406@ckradio.net>
Message-ID: <01f301c51042$2f1b4750$16b50642@Laptop>

I am restoring a Hammarlund xmtr and need the following panel meter:
Picture: http://www.hvinet.com/rjmattson/meters
Any help would be appreciated.
bob...w2ami
www.qrz.com/callsign/w2ami




From AB3L1 at aol.com  Sat Feb 12 13:28:01 2005
From: AB3L1 at aol.com (AB3L1@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
Message-ID: <15a.4a3f134c.2f3fa4b1@aol.com>

Bob,
 
I have a OX-33 but a style BS-36450-4 which is a 0-30 ma. meter.
 
Close as I get.
 
Bob  AB3L

From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 15:19:45 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
References: <15a.4a3f134c.2f3fa4b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00fc01c51140$316ca4f0$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

Can you send me a pic of it?
Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <AB3L1@aol.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; <rjmattson@hvi.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Meter Needed


> Bob,
> 
> I have a OX-33 but a style BS-36450-4 which is a 0-30 ma. meter.
> 
> Close as I get.
> 
> Bob  AB3L
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From rwpeters at swbell.net  Sat Feb 12 16:00:49 2005
From: rwpeters at swbell.net (Bob Peters)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] EV-628
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050212145936.04344650@pop.swbell.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know were I can find a pix of an EV-628 mike ?????
One for sale and can not find a pix anywere... HELP!!!

Very Best 73's
Bob Peters-W1PE
ARRL ASM, President
QCWA Chapter 41  


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From rjmattson at hvi.net  Sat Feb 12 19:37:22 2005
From: rjmattson at hvi.net (RJ Mattson)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
References: <15a.4a3f134c.2f3fa4b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <02a101c51164$306e1650$52b80642@Laptop>

Hi Bob
Thanks for the reply.
The 0-30ma range is fine.
Does the meter look exactly the same as in my photo and 2-3/4" round?
Photo: http://www.hvinet.com/rjmattson/meters
73
bob...w2ami
www.qrz.com/callsign/w2ami

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <AB3L1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
> Bob,
> I have a OX-33 but a style BS-36450-4 which is a 0-30 ma. meter.
> Close as I get.
> Bob  AB3L



From AB3L1 at aol.com  Sat Feb 12 22:06:49 2005
From: AB3L1 at aol.com (AB3L1@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
Message-ID: <126.569bb2a5.2f401e49@aol.com>

Bob, I am sorry for the mix-up. I don't have the one you need but did reply  
to someone else looking for a Westinghouse meter.
That is the pix I just sent you.
 
If you want me to send a pix of the Simpson meter that I have I will. It is  
not the same as yours but if you still would like to see it  I will resend  
the correct one.
 
Bob

From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 22:11:51 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
References: <126.569bb2a5.2f401e49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002901c51179$c3bdfb90$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

Thanks but I think I have found a replacement body.
Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <AB3L1@aol.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Meter Needed


> Bob, I am sorry for the mix-up. I don't have the one you need but did 
> reply
> to someone else looking for a Westinghouse meter.
> That is the pix I just sent you.
>
> If you want me to send a pix of the Simpson meter that I have I will. It 
> is
> not the same as yours but if you still would like to see it  I will resend
> the correct one.
>
> Bob
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From W1PWMAMRadio at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 05:09:15 2005
From: W1PWMAMRadio at aol.com (W1PWMAMRadio@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 13, Issue 15
Message-ID: <bd.515d741e.2f40814b@aol.com>

Just did an extensive search Bob and came up zero. Good luck! It HAS to be  
somewhere.  73, Dick W1PWM

From rwpeters at swbell.net  Sun Feb 13 11:21:38 2005
From: rwpeters at swbell.net (Bob Peters)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 13, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <bd.515d741e.2f40814b@aol.com>
References: <bd.515d741e.2f40814b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213101939.0435deb0@pop.swbell.yahoo.com>

Thanks Dick...  It is a 638  The guy is blind...No stand but thats 
ok  Bought it for $45...
New in the box...
Will be in New England next weekend..

Bob W1PE



At 04:09 AM 2/13/05, you wrote:

>Just did an extensive search Bob and came up zero. Good luck! It HAS to be
>somewhere.  73, Dick W1PWM
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Very Best 73's
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From SBJohnston at aol.com  Mon Feb 14 01:04:16 2005
From: SBJohnston at aol.com (SBJohnston@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?
Message-ID: <1f0.3593c29a.2f419960@aol.com>


Anyone have any information or documentation on a SAIT Electronics HF188A HF 
amplifier?   This Beligian-made amp was removed from a ship's radio room and 
uses two QB-4/1100 tubes, which I understand are very similar if not the same 
as the 4-440A.  

Thanks!


Steve WD8DAS

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From manualman at juno.com  Mon Feb 14 02:13:41 2005
From: manualman at juno.com (peter markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?
Message-ID: <20050214.021347.3224.1.manualman@juno.com>

as the 4-440A.  

Wasn't this an Oldsmobile muscle car??

Pete, wa2cwa

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:04:16 EST SBJohnston@aol.com writes:
> 
> Anyone have any information or documentation on a SAIT Electronics 
> HF188A HF 
> amplifier?   This Beligian-made amp was removed from a ship's radio 
> room and 
> uses two QB-4/1100 tubes, which I understand are very similar if not 
> the same 
> as the 4-440A.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Steve WD8DAS

From merz.ds at mellon.com  Mon Feb 14 12:27:43 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 Meg Multiplier Oddity
Message-ID: <20050214172759.23875.qmail@mellon.com>

Yesterday, I was replacing a 2 megohm meter multiplier that seemed to have failed. It was a single large-bodied resistor stamped "2M 3.5W". I get it unsoldered and it falls apart in my hands--a cardboard tube with two 2-watt, 1 megohm resistors soldered together in the middle. From the outside, you could not tell that this was 2 resistors in series. It was the connection between them that had failed.
Very strange.

In replacing this, I was trying to use some resistors from my stock of old ex-mil surplus types. These are usually painted brown and stamped with some specific value--like 681K--on them. Some of these have a construction that has metal end caps attached to the hard body of the resistor (not sure what the body is made of). In many cases, I discovered that when these metal end caps were just gently tugged , they came right off. Clearly, this is another component design that was not engineered to last 50 years.

73, Don Merz, N3RHT
 
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From w5jo at brightok.net  Mon Feb 14 12:50:44 2005
From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 Meg Multiplier Oddity
References: <20050214172759.23875.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <001901c512bd$b55c6f60$0201a8c0@Wilhite>

This type of construction of resistors and even capacitors is common in the 
old radios of the 20s and 30s.

73  Jim
W5JO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
To: "'Amradio (E-mail)" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "'Glowbugs (E-mail)" 
<glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] 2 Meg Multiplier Oddity


> Yesterday, I was replacing a 2 megohm meter multiplier that seemed to have 
> failed. It was a single large-bodied resistor stamped "2M 3.5W". I get it 
> unsoldered and it falls apart in my hands--a cardboard tube with two 
> 2-watt, 1 megohm resistors soldered together in the middle. From the 
> outside, you could not tell that this was 2 resistors in series. It was 
> the connection between them that had failed.
> Very strange.
>
> In replacing this, I was trying to use some resistors from my stock of old 
> ex-mil surplus types. These are usually painted brown and stamped with 
> some specific value--like 681K--on them. Some of these have a construction 
> that has metal end caps attached to the hard body of the resistor (not 
> sure what the body is made of). In many cases, I discovered that when 
> these metal end caps were just gently tugged , they came right off. 
> Clearly, this is another component design that was not engineered to last 
> 50 years.
>
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT



From SBJohnston at aol.com  Mon Feb 14 14:21:19 2005
From: SBJohnston at aol.com (SBJohnston@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?
Message-ID: <a0.22239edf.2f42542f@aol.com>


Pete wrote:

>>as the 4-440A.  
>Wasn't this an Oldsmobile muscle car??

-grin-   yes, I must have been thinking of my old Plymouth Fury 
ex-state-police car with the 440 V8.  

Naturally the tube type should have been 4-400A


Steve WD8DAS

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From k4xm at arczip.com  Mon Feb 14 14:30:09 2005
From: k4xm at arczip.com (Mike Dorworth,K4XM)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?
References: <a0.22239edf.2f42542f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c512cb$98af1800$51768c41@bigun>

well, I thought it was a Olds 442 from about 1966 or so. Four BBl carb, 4 on
the floor and dual exhausts..442..would leave about the same dust as a pair
of 4-400s would on 75M.. Mike
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To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?


>
> Pete wrote:
>
> >>as the 4-440A.
> >Wasn't this an Oldsmobile muscle car??
>
> -grin-   yes, I must have been thinking of my old Plymouth Fury
> ex-state-police car with the 440 V8.
>
> Naturally the tube type should have been 4-400A
>
>
> Steve WD8DAS
>
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From manualman at juno.com  Mon Feb 14 15:01:47 2005
From: manualman at juno.com (peter markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?
Message-ID: <20050214.150147.3452.2.manualman@juno.com>

Ya Mike, nice machine. Could never beat one with my 383 Sport Fury, which
also had 4-4-2. Ah, but we digress even further from Steve's  original
post. But, I did have a Heath Shawnee 6M transceiver in the Fury for a
short time.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:30:09 -0500 "Mike Dorworth,K4XM" <k4xm@arczip.com>
writes:
> well, I thought it was a Olds 442 from about 1966 or so. Four BBl 
> carb, 4 on
> the floor and dual exhausts..442..would leave about the same dust as 
> a pair
> of 4-400s would on 75M.. Mike
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <SBJohnston@aol.com>
> To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?
> 
> 
> >
> > Pete wrote:
> >
> > >>as the 4-440A.
> > >Wasn't this an Oldsmobile muscle car??
> >
> > -grin-   yes, I must have been thinking of my old Plymouth Fury
> > ex-state-police car with the 440 V8.
> >
> > Naturally the tube type should have been 4-400A
> >
> >
> > Steve WD8DAS
> >
> > sbjohnston@aol.com
> > http://www.qsl.net/wd8das
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Radio is your best entertainment value.

From esieb at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb 14 15:19:36 2005
From: esieb at sympatico.ca (Ed Sieb (E-mail))
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Info on SAIT HF amp?
In-Reply-To: <004e01c512cb$98af1800$51768c41@bigun>
Message-ID: <003101c512d2$813b33a0$0200a8c0@edsieb>

Mike wrote:

> ...would leave about the same dust as a pair
> of 4-400s would on 75M.. Mike

And how, and more.  A pair of 4-400's running 3850 V on the plates would
produce at least 1500W out to the antenna, if not more.

Ed, VA3ES


From bmaser at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Feb 14 17:11:24 2005
From: bmaser at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Maser)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Needed
Message-ID: <00b401c512e2$1fa84f00$7e0b5c18@W6TR>

I called Simpson today and after sending them a picture of my broken meter 
they agree that it is a Model 27.  Seems that Simpson doesn't follow 
form,fit and function rules because their current Model 27 is not like mine. 
Mine has the vertical stripes down the center on the lower half of the 
meter. Theirs has fewer stripes down the center but also has vertical 
stripes on both the lower left and right corners.  And glass cutout on mine 
is different from theirs.  I guess I'll use the one that Chris NGW found for 
me at Orlando this weekend.

BTW, Simpson told me that they no longer make RF Ammeters, I assume he meant 
the Model 27 only.  The guy that helped me was a great guy.....until I asked 
for a freebie meter body, then he referred me to one of their 
distributors...bummer.

Bob 



From wa3vjb at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 12:40:59 2005
From: wa3vjb at yahoo.com (VJB)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?
Message-ID: <20050215174059.5616.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com>

Some of us who cherish the sound (and look) of our
open reel machines are heartened by this news from one
of the sellers of open-reel tape.

(you will recall late in 2004 Quategy, which descended
from Ampex,  shut down its manufacturing plant.
Workers were given little notice, but news accounts at
the time cited declining markets for tape storage.)

------
http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/qu456grma.html

UPDATE Feb 14, 2005: The tape is rolling in and we're
painfully and
slowly starting to fill our shelves. (We even have
1/4" GP9 and 457 on
reels now.) Quantegy has re-instated full audio
production again.
Also, there definitely will be new studio quality open
reel audio tape
made here in Pennsylvania with the first tape being
available probably
in late May 2005 if not sooner. As soon as we have
this tape available
to you, it'll be posted on this web site. They're
going to be making
very good tape for almost everyone in the studio
through broadcast,
government, and even the home recordist. We feel
everything from the
new tape boxes through the sound and slitting of the
tape is going to
have a "classic" touch to it.



	
		
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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Tue Feb 15 13:00:50 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?
Message-ID: <20050215180057.3375.qmail@mellon.com>

Well, you can't beat the look of an open reel tape machine. The sound? --that's another matter entirely. The recording industry has certainly gone digital. The used-audio places are full of the best name brand tape machines and they can all be had for a song. The analog mixer is beginning to suffer a similar fate. Outboard hardware is also going soft. The compressor and effects hardware makers have had to release "plug-in" software versions of all of their products in order to protect their name in the marketplace.

Audio production is going the way of the analog radio. In the not too distant future, it will all be software and "control surfaces".

73, Don Merz, N3RHT




-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of VJB
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:41 PM
To: Nospam@Juno.com
Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?


Some of us who cherish the sound (and look) of our
open reel machines are heartened by this news from one
of the sellers of open-reel tape.

(you will recall late in 2004 Quategy, which descended
from Ampex,  shut down its manufacturing plant.
Workers were given little notice, but news accounts at
the time cited declining markets for tape storage.)

------
http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/qu456grma.html

UPDATE Feb 14, 2005: The tape is rolling in and we're
painfully and
slowly starting to fill our shelves. (We even have
1/4" GP9 and 457 on
reels now.) Quantegy has re-instated full audio
production again.
Also, there definitely will be new studio quality open
reel audio tape
made here in Pennsylvania with the first tape being
available probably
in late May 2005 if not sooner. As soon as we have
this tape available
to you, it'll be posted on this web site. They're
going to be making
very good tape for almost everyone in the studio
through broadcast,
government, and even the home recordist. We feel
everything from the
new tape boxes through the sound and slitting of the
tape is going to
have a "classic" touch to it.



	
		
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From manualman at juno.com  Tue Feb 15 13:17:04 2005
From: manualman at juno.com (peter markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?
Message-ID: <20050215.131705.2468.0.manualman@juno.com>

That's true Don, but Paul likes to say on the air "roll some tape". It
doesn't have the same ring if you say "roll some bytes" or "move some
bytes".
Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:00:50 -0500 "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
writes:
> Well, you can't beat the look of an open reel tape machine. The 
> sound? --that's another matter entirely. The recording industry has 
> certainly gone digital. The used-audio places are full of the best 
> name brand tape machines and they can all be had for a song. The 
> analog mixer is beginning to suffer a similar fate. Outboard 
> hardware is also going soft. The compressor and effects hardware 
> makers have had to release "plug-in" software versions of all of 
> their products in order to protect their name in the marketplace.
> 
> Audio production is going the way of the analog radio. In the not 
> too distant future, it will all be software and "control surfaces".
> 
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of VJB
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:41 PM
> To: Nospam@Juno.com
> Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?
> 
> 
> Some of us who cherish the sound (and look) of our
> open reel machines are heartened by this news from one
> of the sellers of open-reel tape.
> 
> (you will recall late in 2004 Quategy, which descended
> from Ampex,  shut down its manufacturing plant.
> Workers were given little notice, but news accounts at
> the time cited declining markets for tape storage.)
> 
> ------
> http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/qu456grma.html
> 
> UPDATE Feb 14, 2005: The tape is rolling in and we're
> painfully and
> slowly starting to fill our shelves. (We even have
> 1/4" GP9 and 457 on
> reels now.) Quantegy has re-instated full audio
> production again.
> Also, there definitely will be new studio quality open
> reel audio tape
> made here in Pennsylvania with the first tape being
> available probably
> in late May 2005 if not sooner. As soon as we have
> this tape available
> to you, it'll be posted on this web site. They're
> going to be making
> very good tape for almost everyone in the studio
> through broadcast,
> government, and even the home recordist. We feel
> everything from the
> new tape boxes through the sound and slitting of the
> tape is going to
> have a "classic" touch to it.

From Rivpapa1 at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 13:31:39 2005
From: Rivpapa1 at aol.com (Rivpapa1@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Switch Part #
Message-ID: <f.3eb50157.2f439a0b@aol.com>

Does anyone know the Centralab part number for the Meter switch in the 
Johnson viking 2?..Tnx es 73's..Ron W6MAU

From merz.ds at mellon.com  Tue Feb 15 13:35:38 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?
Message-ID: <20050215183838.13458.qmail@mellon.com>

Actually, the modern digital recorders that I have used simulate a tape transport. The push-button controls are marked the same as a tape deck. When you hit fast-forward, it simulates building up speed--just like a tape machine. People still say "roll tape" to start recording --even when they know it's not tape.

73, Don M.


-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of peter markavage
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Cc: Nospam@Juno.com
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?


That's true Don, but Paul likes to say on the air "roll some tape". It
doesn't have the same ring if you say "roll some bytes" or "move some
bytes".
Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:00:50 -0500 "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
writes:
> Well, you can't beat the look of an open reel tape machine. The 
> sound? --that's another matter entirely. The recording industry has 
> certainly gone digital. The used-audio places are full of the best 
> name brand tape machines and they can all be had for a song. The 
> analog mixer is beginning to suffer a similar fate. Outboard 
> hardware is also going soft. The compressor and effects hardware 
> makers have had to release "plug-in" software versions of all of 
> their products in order to protect their name in the marketplace.
> 
> Audio production is going the way of the analog radio. In the not 
> too distant future, it will all be software and "control surfaces".
> 
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of VJB
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:41 PM
> To: Nospam@Juno.com
> Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?
> 
> 
> Some of us who cherish the sound (and look) of our
> open reel machines are heartened by this news from one
> of the sellers of open-reel tape.
> 
> (you will recall late in 2004 Quategy, which descended
> from Ampex,  shut down its manufacturing plant.
> Workers were given little notice, but news accounts at
> the time cited declining markets for tape storage.)
> 
> ------
> http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/qu456grma.html
> 
> UPDATE Feb 14, 2005: The tape is rolling in and we're
> painfully and
> slowly starting to fill our shelves. (We even have
> 1/4" GP9 and 457 on
> reels now.) Quantegy has re-instated full audio
> production again.
> Also, there definitely will be new studio quality open
> reel audio tape
> made here in Pennsylvania with the first tape being
> available probably
> in late May 2005 if not sooner. As soon as we have
> this tape available
> to you, it'll be posted on this web site. They're
> going to be making
> very good tape for almost everyone in the studio
> through broadcast,
> government, and even the home recordist. We feel
> everything from the
> new tape boxes through the sound and slitting of the
> tape is going to
> have a "classic" touch to it.
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From gkbrown at gwi.net  Tue Feb 15 15:24:07 2005
From: gkbrown at gwi.net (GBrown)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Switch Part #
References: <f.3eb50157.2f439a0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c5139c$4d90fa60$dea3c3d8@computer>

Ron:
    I think I have an original switch for the Viking II. Email me direct.
Regards,
Gary...WZ1M
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Rivpapa1@aol.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Meter Switch Part #


> Does anyone know the Centralab part number for the Meter switch in the 
> Johnson viking 2?..Tnx es 73's..Ron W6MAU
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From macklinbob at msn.com  Tue Feb 15 18:04:58 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV254607C042F2D9F605BB20C56B0@phx.gbl>

Back to my 4th floor apartment problem. This building has plastic
plumbing(which seems to leak at tleat once a month). This morning I pulled
the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic conduit also.

So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how it runs.

The antenna will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of problems should
I expect from the crappy ground?

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

From W7QHO at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 19:10:07 2005
From: W7QHO at aol.com (W7QHO@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
Message-ID: <79.3f30ba8f.2f43e95f@aol.com>


In a message dated 2/15/05 3:06:15 PM, macklinbob@msn.com writes:


> Back to my 4th floor apartment problem. This building has plastic
> plumbing(which seems to leak at tleat once a month). This morning I pulled
> the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic conduit also.
> 
> So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how it runs.
> 
> The antenna will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of problems should
> I expect from the crappy ground?
> 
> 

Bob,

Entirely possible.   I operated very successfully out of a 5th floor room in 
Germany back in the 1970s using a 400 ft end fed long wire.

That high up (4th floor) your RF ground situation would be problematical 
regardless of the type of plumbing and/or electrical conduit used.   Using a 
balanced antenna like you are, you shouldn't have "RF in the shack" problems but if 
you do, hang a quarter wave wire out the window connected to your xmitter 
chassis.   You may need one of these "stubs" for each band you work.   

Your biggest problem, though, will be staying legal in regard to lightening 
protection.   Local codes would likely require installation a solid grounding 
system for your antenna which you would have to clear with your landlord (and 
pay for yourself).    If you want to bootleg it (which countless hams including 
myself have done) I would recommend making provision for disconnecting the 
antenna lead-in and getting it entirely outside the building when an electrical 
storm threatened.

Dennis D. W7QHO
Glendale, CA

From powell at conterra.com  Tue Feb 15 19:33:39 2005
From: powell at conterra.com (Powell E. Way III)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Open Reel Tape -- Production resumes ?
In-Reply-To: <20050215174059.5616.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050215174059.5616.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1108514019.421294e39db0a@web-email.matrixconsulting.net>


>Some of us who cherish the sound (and look) of our 
>open reel machines are heartened by this news from one 
>of the sellers of open-reel tape. 

Indeed. 


>(you will recall late in 2004 Quategy, which descended 
>from Ampex,  shut down its manufacturing plant. 
>Workers were given little notice, but news accounts at 
>the time cited declining markets for tape storage.) 


They lost a major contract and shut down to reorganize. I'm 
glad they are back. I wonder if they are going to make any tape 
with no back side stuff on it. That's where the tape problems 
start and end. 

It is interesting that Quantegy also had purchased the Scotch 
line, but you don't see any of THAT tape in production.... 


I have some boxes of "NEW" Ampex that's their equivalent of 
Scotch 111.  I have some NOS boxes of Scotch 203, my favorite 
of the time. A lot of Revox recorders bias PERFECTLY for this 
tape. 


Powell 


-- 
NNNN!

From k0ng at inebraska.com  Tue Feb 15 19:42:14 2005
From: k0ng at inebraska.com (k0ng@inebraska.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV254607C042F2D9F605BB20C56B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV254607C042F2D9F605BB20C56B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1108514534.421296e665b60@webmail.inebraska.com>


Bob: Dont expect any problem with your dipole (unless you are right under
it, then things might get hot). A dipole does not need any ground to operate.
The "3rd wire" should only be used as a safety line to the radio chassis.
It would be best if you checked the 3rd wire continuity all the way back to
the building entrance ground but I realize this is probably impractical.

Good Luck,  DE Charlie,  K0NG  ..

Quoting Bob Macklin <macklinbob@msn.com>:

> Back to my 4th floor apartment problem. This building has plastic
> plumbing(which seems to leak at tleat once a month). This morning I pulled
> the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic conduit also.
> 
> So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how it runs.
> 
> The antenna will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of problems should
> I expect from the crappy ground?
> 
> Bob Macklin
> K5MYJ/7
> Seattle, Wa.
> 
> "REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
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From wa5bxo at pctechref.com  Tue Feb 15 19:29:47 2005
From: wa5bxo at pctechref.com (John Coleman)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV254607C042F2D9F605BB20C56B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000501c513be$9eead030$0a00000a@tcf2003.main>

Hi Bob,	
	A true Dipole is a balanced antenna that works in space or on earth.
The proximity to earth or any reflective surface changes the balance and /
or the radiation resistance.  That's enough said on the ant working, but the
reflectivity of the earth and the grounding system can greatly effect the
radiation patterns and how much RF is floating around on the wiring and
metal stuff in the housing community.  This RFI can be a big problem on AM
at 100 watts or more!  I once, in a cramped location, had to operate an Eico
720 and home brewed modulator, with a RF hot D104.  I could talk to people
but when I touched the Microphone it was HOT and the modulator started
squealing.  Some modification of the MIC circuit and a shorter cord got rid
of the squeals but the whole rig was hot with RF.  This didn't go away until
I changed the orientation of the dipole and did some ground wiring changes.


73
John, WA5BXO

-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Macklin
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:05 PM
To: GlowBugs; AM Radio
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?

Back to my 4th floor apartment problem. This building has plastic
plumbing(which seems to leak at tleat once a month). This morning I pulled
the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic conduit also.

So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how it runs.

The antenna will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of problems should
I expect from the crappy ground?

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
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From w6om at cox.net  Wed Feb 16 17:53:15 2005
From: w6om at cox.net (w6om@cox.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
Message-ID: <20050216225313.INVQ13353.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>


When it rains it pours. I just enherited three ART 13's, all in very good condition.

One has a 110V PS built in, the other two do not. Somebody point me to the ART 13 information site so I can familiarize myself with the circuits and get these beautiful old rigs playing on AM again soon.

All the Best

Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO

www.qsl.net/w6om


From macklinbob at msn.com  Wed Feb 16 18:11:26 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:14 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
References: <20050216225313.INVQ13353.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3317FCDFFAEDBE00097BF5C56C0@phx.gbl>

Try this one:

http://bama.sbc.edu/military_manuals-kg7bz.htm

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <w6om@cox.net>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:53 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter


>
> When it rains it pours. I just enherited three ART 13's, all in very good
condition.
>
> One has a 110V PS built in, the other two do not. Somebody point me to the
ART 13 information site so I can familiarize myself with the circuits and
get these beautiful old rigs playing on AM again soon.
>
> All the Best
>
> Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO
>
> www.qsl.net/w6om
>
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From jcandela at prodigy.net  Wed Feb 16 21:17:15 2005
From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim candela)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
In-Reply-To: <1108514534.421296e665b60@webmail.inebraska.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLIEBKDOAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>



   Bob,

    I do something that is a bit out of the ordinary, and on occasion has
helped. My shack usually runs off a 10 outlet power strip with three prong
120 v 15 amp jacks. I have found that making a common mode choke for the
three wires in the power strip helps keep my RF from conducting into the AC
power in my home. I do this with a suitable ferrite rod similar to a G-G
linear filament choke. This gives me a good and safe 60 hertz ground for my
equipment, and discourages the Rf from going into your power line as a
common mode signal. I would then direct any RF floating on my equipment
chassis's to a close-by ground rod, and use 1" wide braid.

    In your case, you could try the 1/4 wave ground wire concept tied to
your rig (or MFJ equivalent), and use the common mode choke on your shack
power strip. I'm not too sure how much this might help since the proximity
of the antenna to all sorts of building wiring (door bell, phone wires,
cat-5, catv, ac power, gas pipes, furnace ducts, plumbing, re-bar, I-Beams,
etc) will most likely unbalance an indoor dipole antenna. You might try to
force the balance with a current balun as well, and maybe change the lengths
a little due to varying detuning on each end.

    Another thought (from Dr. Evil) would be to go around your apartment
with a impedance bridge, and look at the impedance between any two points,
like the CATV shield, and the furnace ducts. You might find a combination
that is easily tuned to 50 ohms resistive on a frequency you want to operate
on. I know this sounds crazy, but realize that every FCC part 15 device in
the complex is likely to go nuts with your transmitter on anyway... I can
see the whole complex blinking on and off to your CW CQ...Aliens on another
planet might see your CW from the visual blinking! If you cannot get the RF
out of the wiring, heck use the wiring for your antenna, and operate VERY
infrequently. :-)

Regards,
Jim Candela
WD5JKO


-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of k0ng@inebraska.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:42 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio; Bob Macklin
Cc: AM Radio; GlowBugs
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?



Bob: Dont expect any problem with your dipole (unless you are right under
it, then things might get hot). A dipole does not need any ground to
operate.
The "3rd wire" should only be used as a safety line to the radio chassis.
It would be best if you checked the 3rd wire continuity all the way back to
the building entrance ground but I realize this is probably impractical.

Good Luck,  DE Charlie,  K0NG  ..

Quoting Bob Macklin <macklinbob@msn.com>:

> Back to my 4th floor apartment problem. This building has plastic
> plumbing(which seems to leak at tleat once a month). This morning I pulled
> the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic conduit
also.
>
> So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how it runs.
>
> The antenna will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of problems
should
> I expect from the crappy ground?
>
> Bob Macklin
> K5MYJ/7
> Seattle, Wa.
>
> "REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
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From macklinbob at msn.com  Wed Feb 16 21:40:21 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
References: <NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLIEBKDOAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2952A5436194C07E175930C56D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks to everyone for their comments on this subject.

My apartment is 20' by 20'. A RETIREMENT CLOSET! My desk with the station is
in the SE corner of the livingroom. That's where the center of the antenna
is. The antenna is on the wall about 6" below the ceiling. One leg goes west
almost 20' then turns north for the remainder. The other leg starts in the
same corner and goes north about 18' then turns west for the remainder.

The antenna tuner will be on a shelf directly below the feedpoint. There
will be no transmission line. The antenna will connect directly to the
balanced line terminals on the back of the matchbox.

There will be RF in the shack. I have put the DX-60 on the single leg and
have barely noticable heringbone on some TV channels. And I have no TVI
supession on the TV yet. I am not going to mess with it until I get the full
antenna/matchbox system working.

What ground there is will only be for safety purposes. I don't think the OLD
LADIES can see well enough to see the heringbone.

Thanks again for you comments.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim candela" <jcandela@prodigy.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "Bob Macklin"
<macklinbob@msn.com>
Cc: "GlowBugs" <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?


>
>
>    Bob,
>
>     I do something that is a bit out of the ordinary, and on occasion has
> helped. My shack usually runs off a 10 outlet power strip with three prong
> 120 v 15 amp jacks. I have found that making a common mode choke for the
> three wires in the power strip helps keep my RF from conducting into the
AC
> power in my home. I do this with a suitable ferrite rod similar to a G-G
> linear filament choke. This gives me a good and safe 60 hertz ground for
my
> equipment, and discourages the Rf from going into your power line as a
> common mode signal. I would then direct any RF floating on my equipment
> chassis's to a close-by ground rod, and use 1" wide braid.
>
>     In your case, you could try the 1/4 wave ground wire concept tied to
> your rig (or MFJ equivalent), and use the common mode choke on your shack
> power strip. I'm not too sure how much this might help since the proximity
> of the antenna to all sorts of building wiring (door bell, phone wires,
> cat-5, catv, ac power, gas pipes, furnace ducts, plumbing, re-bar,
I-Beams,
> etc) will most likely unbalance an indoor dipole antenna. You might try to
> force the balance with a current balun as well, and maybe change the
lengths
> a little due to varying detuning on each end.
>
>     Another thought (from Dr. Evil) would be to go around your apartment
> with a impedance bridge, and look at the impedance between any two points,
> like the CATV shield, and the furnace ducts. You might find a combination
> that is easily tuned to 50 ohms resistive on a frequency you want to
operate
> on. I know this sounds crazy, but realize that every FCC part 15 device in
> the complex is likely to go nuts with your transmitter on anyway... I can
> see the whole complex blinking on and off to your CW CQ...Aliens on
another
> planet might see your CW from the visual blinking! If you cannot get the
RF
> out of the wiring, heck use the wiring for your antenna, and operate VERY
> infrequently. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Jim Candela
> WD5JKO
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of k0ng@inebraska.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:42 PM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio; Bob Macklin
> Cc: AM Radio; GlowBugs
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
>
>
>
> Bob: Dont expect any problem with your dipole (unless you are right under
> it, then things might get hot). A dipole does not need any ground to
> operate.
> The "3rd wire" should only be used as a safety line to the radio chassis.
> It would be best if you checked the 3rd wire continuity all the way back
to
> the building entrance ground but I realize this is probably impractical.
>
> Good Luck,  DE Charlie,  K0NG  ..
>
> Quoting Bob Macklin <macklinbob@msn.com>:
>
> > Back to my 4th floor apartment problem. This building has plastic
> > plumbing(which seems to leak at tleat once a month). This morning I
pulled
> > the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic conduit
> also.
> >
> > So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how it runs.
> >
> > The antenna will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of problems
> should
> > I expect from the crappy ground?
> >
> > Bob Macklin
> > K5MYJ/7
> > Seattle, Wa.
> >
> > "REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
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From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Wed Feb 16 23:28:12 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
In-Reply-To: <20050216225313.INVQ13353.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20050217042812.71942.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>

All the manuals in PDF : 

    http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/military-kg7bz/art13/

I have an ART13A running on a AC power supply made for the ART13 by Drake. No
kidding.

de KA4JVY

Mark


--- w6om@cox.net wrote:

> 
> When it rains it pours. I just enherited three ART 13's, all in very good
> condition.
> 
> One has a 110V PS built in, the other two do not. Somebody point me to the
> ART 13 information site so I can familiarize myself with the circuits and get
> these beautiful old rigs playing on AM again soon.
> 
> All the Best
> 
> Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO
> 
> www.qsl.net/w6om
> 
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From mahlonhaunschild at cox.net  Thu Feb 17 05:27:12 2005
From: mahlonhaunschild at cox.net (Mahlon Haunschild)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
Message-ID: <20050217102712.JLZY5499.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

How on EARTH did the previous owner build a power supply INTO an ART-13???????

I've collected up a few schematics for power supplies from the Web and from the SRCM Vol II, if that can help

regards,

Mahlon - K4OQ

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When it rains it pours. I just enherited three ART 13's, all in very good condition.

One has a 110V PS built in, the other two do not. Somebody point me to the ART 13 information site so I can familiarize myself with the circuits and get these beautiful old rigs playing on AM again soon.

All the Best

Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO

www.qsl.net/w6om


From macklinbob at msn.com  Thu Feb 17 12:12:38 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] HD-15 PSK Interface
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV15BF1F345E56C84A262CF0C56D0@phx.gbl>

I was asked about this yesterday but I did not see my response show up.

I used to operate TTY back in the 60s witha real TTY machine. A Model 15.

After returning to ham radio after a 30 year absense I heard about PSK31. I
downloades WinPSK and gave it a try. I also read about making an interface
with isolation transformers.

I am a Heath collector. I decieded I could make a decent PSK interface using
a Heath HD-15 phone patch. But I knew very little about the phone patch at
the time I started. I bought a pair of small 500ohm to 8ohm audio
transformers from Ocean States Electronics.

I pulled the original transformers made to work with a phone line out and
replaced them with the small audio tranformers. I removed the nulling
circuit as it is not needed. I commected the Rx transformer with the 8ohm
winding to the speaker and the 500ohm winding going to the sound card LINE
IN. I used the switch on the HD-15 to connect the Tx output to either the
speaker or the audio transformer. I connected the second transformer with
the 8ohm winding connected to the computer speaker output. The secondary was
connected to the Hi-Z and Lo-Z outputs to the Tx. Since I have a SB-401 I
used the Hi-Z connected to the phone patch input on the SB-401. I don't like
messing with the mic input.

The HD-15 switch and level controls were connected pretty much like the
original circuit. I have the VU meter connected to the output of the Tx
level control.

I can copy PSK QSOs that I cannot even hear. I am very impressed with this
technology. It does not take much bandwidth and the cost of the software is
right.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

From macklinbob at msn.com  Thu Feb 17 14:16:23 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface
References: <BAY3-DAV15BF1F345E56C84A262CF0C56D0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0502171226260.23489@hermes.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV1003934EF289AE812973E6C56D0@phx.gbl>

I don't seem to have a problem with the signal level going in to the sound
card. On strong signals WinPSK tells me to reduce the input level. But with
this setup I am able to receive PSK signals I cannot hear in the station
speaker.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Roehrig" <broehrig@aurora.edu>
To: "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob@msn.com>
Cc: "GlowBugs" <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>; "AM Radio"
<amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface


> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Bob Macklin wrote:
>
> > I commected the Rx transformer with the 8ohm winding to the speaker and
> > the 500ohm winding going to the sound card LINE IN.
> >
> > I can copy PSK QSOs that I cannot even hear. I am very impressed with
this
> > technology.
>
> You are getting quite a voltage step-up with that arrangement. You will
> get more than enough level into the sound card that way. I would be a bit
> worried about overdoing it and maybe wiping out the sound card input
> circuit.
>
>
>
>                                Bob Roehrig
>                      Aurora University    Telecom dept.
>                      broehrig@aurora.edu    73 de K9EUI
>                      630-844-4898      fax 630-844-4222
>                      "Nostalgia is a thing of the past"
>

From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 13:04:58 2005
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Surplus sites/boatanchor haunts: Update and Thank you
Message-ID: <9ccb8c51050218100416a31abe@mail.gmail.com>

My apologies up front to those who receive this post on multiple
lists: I received comments and suggestions from several places, and
the information might be of interest as well.

Thanks to everyone who offered tips and suggestions for the Tampa,
Florida area. While I didn't make it to Skycraft Surplus or another
place suggested to me, I did visit a few places folks might find worth
the trip.

First, I did make it to 'Hamcation' in Orlando last Friday.
Unfortunately for me it would appear that Satruday is likely the
better day. The outdoor fleamarket was perhaps 1/4 the size of the
Hosstraders hamfest in Hopkinton, NH, just for reference. Some of the
items seen were: Collins 75A-4 w/speaker for a mere $3K, a decent
SP-600 for $495 (owner says he had turned down an offer of $350
earlier), two Collins 30S-1 amps for $1650 and $1750, and a BC-939(?)
antenna tuner for the BC-610 in so-so shape for a mere $400. Big Gates
console for $400. Homebrew quad of what looked like 3-500Z transmitter
for '10 meter AM or FM' for $1500, a D-104 (nothing special, 1980s
model with push bar on base and japanese aftermarket lever on side
bar) for $250, another next to it with no lever for $150. Also saw a
Halli transmitter and receiver set up (the numbers escape me, but they
look like the SR-150) with no price, 'make me an offer' by the owner.
Someone else had a Hallicrafters power supply for one of the
HA-whatever converters for $25, probably the steal of the hamfest. I
purchased 100' of 14 gauge wire from the Wireman for an antenna
project, and a couple of 3-wafer ceramic switches for 25? each. Ran
into a Vermont plate, W1TX. Talked with him a bit. Also spoke with a
guy who had just fixed a friend's DX-100. No one seemed to know
anything about an AM group, other than the frequencies you could find
them on some mornings. I was hoping for an 'AM corral' or similar, but
no joy. Saw a couple of guys intently fiddling with what looked like
some kind of Chinese military backpack radio. But....$3K for a 75A-4?
$250 for a run-of-the-mill D-104? "Y'all" are mighty proud of your
gear!  I won't get into the traffic situation, but I can see why
people camp there for days.

Also visited two museums. The first is, by FAR, the best private radio
museum I've ever seen, and probably the largest collection of WWII
Japanese radios in the country, maybe the world. Col. William Howard
was kind enough to invite me and my YL tour guide to visit his
collections and museum, and I'm certainly glad we made the trip there.
Bill has an extensive collection of not only WWII Japanese gear, but
many of the important pieces of radio gear and other developments from
pre-WWII to present. He also has story boards along the walls
detailing specific events or giving in-depth descriptions of
particular items, people, and so on. And he doesn't have only radio
gear - he has paper, uniforms, ordinance, models, displays, and some
very significant historical artifacts. He also has a vast amount of
knowledge and experience. I never knew that Bill was active in
collecting and analyzing enemy gear in Viet Nam, for example. He has a
great deal of information on his unit's activities there, as well as
many of the artifacts collected. I got a kick out of the chinese radio
riddled with bullet holes. Not much use, but interesting in the
historical perspective. It's impossible to go into great detail here,
suffice it to say that it is well worth a visit. Bill is a great host,
provides very detailed directions for getting there, and is very
devoted to preserving our history. Why, he even has a couple of
operating Stuart tanks! My only regret is not having a day or two more
to spend looking things over and reading everything.  Thanks again,
Bill.

Final stop was the Florida International Museum in St Petersburg,
which has a wonderful Cold War display centered around the Cuban
Missile Crisis. They have rooms furnished with everything you'd have
seen from that era, right down to the reading materials and kitchen
appliances even period B&W TV sets with old newscasts playing on them.
The also have many interesting CD posters, hand-written notes
scribbled by JFK during his meetings with his staff about what to do,
even a complete, de-commissioned SA-2 surface-to-air missile is on
display. They also have a typical fallout shelter, complete with
bunks,yellow Gonset Gooney box, and canned rations. Other radios on
display were used in the movie '13 Days' and include a small National
(SW-54?) and Zenith Trans-Oceanic. Along the walls, from beginning to
end, are large printed updates by date and time, of the unfolding of
events from the first discovery of missiles to the final deal and
removal. It was much more than I expected from the description given
to me, and very much worth seeing.

So again, many thanks to those who offered suggestions and help. I'm
sorry I wasn't able to catch up with Mark, Andy, and some of the
others who attended the Orlando 'fest, looks like I was a day early.
Maybe next time? And for any of you in, around, or visiting the
Tampa/Clearwater area - take my advice and visit Col William Howard's
museum and the Florida International Museum. I've only scratched the
surface here, there is so much more to see.

de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ

From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Fri Feb 18 13:47:17 2005
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] B&W850A
Message-ID: <20050218184717.M78972@glowbugs.com>

I have just become the proud father of a nearly mint b&w850A. From storage 
however, the plastic strips that support the front of the inductor, have 
warped somewhat. Any suggestions about fixing this, from those of you who 
have faced this same problem, would be greatly appreciated.

On the subject of B&W Inductors, am I crazy, or, wasn't there a 
inductor/switch set that was similiar to the 850A but was solid tubing?

cornfuzzed minds want to know :)

73's

Ronnie - W5SUM



From garyschafer at comcast.net  Fri Feb 18 14:18:43 2005
From: garyschafer at comcast.net (Gary Schafer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] B&W850A
References: <20050218184717.M78972@glowbugs.com>
Message-ID: <42163F93.1070008@comcast.net>

Hi Ronnie,

I repaired one awhile back. I glued on some new plastic strips with 2 
part epoxy and it held fine. Leave the old strips on as much as you can 
to hold the coil together and place the new strips over the old. Peal 
off the loose stuff. If there is enough of the old that is in place but 
a little loose just epoxy it back in place.

Yes there was another coil that they made with all tubing. It was for 
lower plate impedance tubes like a 4cx1000. The one with part tubing and 
part wire is for higher impedance tubes. I can't remember the part 
number of the other one.

73
Gary  K4FMX

ronnie.hull wrote:
> I have just become the proud father of a nearly mint b&w850A. From storage 
> however, the plastic strips that support the front of the inductor, have 
> warped somewhat. Any suggestions about fixing this, from those of you who 
> have faced this same problem, would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> On the subject of B&W Inductors, am I crazy, or, wasn't there a 
> inductor/switch set that was similiar to the 850A but was solid tubing?
> 
> cornfuzzed minds want to know :)
> 
> 73's
> 
> Ronnie - W5SUM
> 
> 
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From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Fri Feb 18 16:11:18 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Surplus sites/boatanchor haunts: Update and Thank you
In-Reply-To: <9ccb8c51050218100416a31abe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050218211118.6045.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>

Todd sorry we could'nt eyeball QSO. But gald you had a good time.

Re the Hamcation, well I found a fair amount of bargins. 

I bought an entire spare set of 833's for my Gates for $40.

Pair of 4-400 and 6146  for $20.

A big box of .22ufd @ 600WVDC - must be better that 350 in there ( the side of
the box is stamped 387) paid $25 for the case

A bunch of mil connectors for  under a buck a piece.

Two Heath mobnile power supplies for $10.

I passed up a Heath Cheyenn & Comanche for $80 with both 12 & 110 ps. A little
too rough.

Also passed up a R390A for $125. Too many projects - life is too short, etc.

Also missed a SP600 in very restorable shape for $75.

Bought original manuals for several Halicrafers radios @ $1 - $5 a piece.

I couldn't pass up the phone patch for my TR7 - $10.


Brought my own lunch & coffee! Saved a bundle there.

But I bought a new 706MKIIG - first new radio I have ever bought. Ahhh, that
new radio smell.  Now where the heck to mount the DK4 screwdriver antenna on
the old Lebaron?

I just did'nt care for that parking lot called Interstate 4!! HI!

de KA4JVY

Mark

 
--- "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq@gmail.com> wrote:

> My apologies up front to those who receive this post on multiple
> lists: I received comments and suggestions from several places, and
> the information might be of interest as well.
> 
> Thanks to everyone who offered tips and suggestions for the Tampa,
> Florida area. While I didn't make it to Skycraft Surplus or another
> place suggested to me, I did visit a few places folks might find worth
> the trip.
> 
> First, I did make it to 'Hamcation' in Orlando last Friday.
> Unfortunately for me it would appear that Satruday is likely the
> better day. The outdoor fleamarket was perhaps 1/4 the size of the
> Hosstraders hamfest in Hopkinton, NH, just for reference. Some of the
> items seen were: Collins 75A-4 w/speaker for a mere $3K, a decent
> SP-600 for $495 (owner says he had turned down an offer of $350
> earlier), two Collins 30S-1 amps for $1650 and $1750, and a BC-939(?)
> antenna tuner for the BC-610 in so-so shape for a mere $400. Big Gates
> console for $400. Homebrew quad of what looked like 3-500Z transmitter
> for '10 meter AM or FM' for $1500, a D-104 (nothing special, 1980s
> model with push bar on base and japanese aftermarket lever on side
> bar) for $250, another next to it with no lever for $150. Also saw a
> Halli transmitter and receiver set up (the numbers escape me, but they
> look like the SR-150) with no price, 'make me an offer' by the owner.
> Someone else had a Hallicrafters power supply for one of the
> HA-whatever converters for $25, probably the steal of the hamfest. I
> purchased 100' of 14 gauge wire from the Wireman for an antenna
> project, and a couple of 3-wafer ceramic switches for 25¢ each. Ran
> into a Vermont plate, W1TX. Talked with him a bit. Also spoke with a
> guy who had just fixed a friend's DX-100. No one seemed to know
> anything about an AM group, other than the frequencies you could find
> them on some mornings. I was hoping for an 'AM corral' or similar, but
> no joy. Saw a couple of guys intently fiddling with what looked like
> some kind of Chinese military backpack radio. But....$3K for a 75A-4?
> $250 for a run-of-the-mill D-104? "Y'all" are mighty proud of your
> gear!  I won't get into the traffic situation, but I can see why
> people camp there for days.
> 
> Also visited two museums. The first is, by FAR, the best private radio
> museum I've ever seen, and probably the largest collection of WWII
> Japanese radios in the country, maybe the world. Col. William Howard
> was kind enough to invite me and my YL tour guide to visit his
> collections and museum, and I'm certainly glad we made the trip there.
> Bill has an extensive collection of not only WWII Japanese gear, but
> many of the important pieces of radio gear and other developments from
> pre-WWII to present. He also has story boards along the walls
> detailing specific events or giving in-depth descriptions of
> particular items, people, and so on. And he doesn't have only radio
> gear - he has paper, uniforms, ordinance, models, displays, and some
> very significant historical artifacts. He also has a vast amount of
> knowledge and experience. I never knew that Bill was active in
> collecting and analyzing enemy gear in Viet Nam, for example. He has a
> great deal of information on his unit's activities there, as well as
> many of the artifacts collected. I got a kick out of the chinese radio
> riddled with bullet holes. Not much use, but interesting in the
> historical perspective. It's impossible to go into great detail here,
> suffice it to say that it is well worth a visit. Bill is a great host,
> provides very detailed directions for getting there, and is very
> devoted to preserving our history. Why, he even has a couple of
> operating Stuart tanks! My only regret is not having a day or two more
> to spend looking things over and reading everything.  Thanks again,
> Bill.
> 
> Final stop was the Florida International Museum in St Petersburg,
> which has a wonderful Cold War display centered around the Cuban
> Missile Crisis. They have rooms furnished with everything you'd have
> seen from that era, right down to the reading materials and kitchen
> appliances even period B&W TV sets with old newscasts playing on them.
> The also have many interesting CD posters, hand-written notes
> scribbled by JFK during his meetings with his staff about what to do,
> even a complete, de-commissioned SA-2 surface-to-air missile is on
> display. They also have a typical fallout shelter, complete with
> bunks,yellow Gonset Gooney box, and canned rations. Other radios on
> display were used in the movie '13 Days' and include a small National
> (SW-54?) and Zenith Trans-Oceanic. Along the walls, from beginning to
> end, are large printed updates by date and time, of the unfolding of
> events from the first discovery of missiles to the final deal and
> removal. It was much more than I expected from the description given
> to me, and very much worth seeing.
> 
> So again, many thanks to those who offered suggestions and help. I'm
> sorry I wasn't able to catch up with Mark, Andy, and some of the
> others who attended the Orlando 'fest, looks like I was a day early.
> Maybe next time? And for any of you in, around, or visiting the
> Tampa/Clearwater area - take my advice and visit Col William Howard's
> museum and the Florida International Museum. I've only scratched the
> surface here, there is so much more to see.
> 
> de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ
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From w3slk at uplink.net  Fri Feb 18 19:34:59 2005
From: w3slk at uplink.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] B&W850A
References: <20050218184717.M78972@glowbugs.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c5161a$d96087b0$72fc45cf@D9PBT931>

I had some success by dissolving clear acrylic, (similar to Plexi-glas?), in 
acetone. The only problem is that it leaves the plastic with a bunch of 
bubbles impregnated in the dried solution. Now, the one thing I would like 
to try and would recommend is if you have a power supply with current 
control, to sandwich the coil with the acrylic and place the coil across the 
power supply. But limit the current so that the coil doesn't get red hot. 
This would soften the acrylic and cause it to form more to the coil without 
the mess of the acetone solution. I just need a good power supply to try 
this.
Gud Luck,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ronnie.hull" <ronnie.hull@glowbugs.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] B&W850A


I have just become the proud father of a nearly mint b&w850A. From storage
however, the plastic strips that support the front of the inductor, have
warped somewhat. Any suggestions about fixing this, from those of you who
have faced this same problem, would be greatly appreciated.

On the subject of B&W Inductors, am I crazy, or, wasn't there a
inductor/switch set that was similiar to the 850A but was solid tubing?

cornfuzzed minds want to know :)

73's

Ronnie - W5SUM


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From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Sat Feb 19 06:29:47 2005
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
Message-ID: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com>

a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my old 
log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with WN8AAD, George 
in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder whatever happened to ole 
George?

Anyway, I was running an Eico 720 and a Drake 2B with a dipole of course!

I staid on 40 until the spring of 1970 when I discovered 15 and 10 meters. 
Suddenly, my lowly 50 watts of output was working the entire world. The 
Acquistion of a TA-33Jr and a rotator and 50' of heigth, really opened up the 
airwaves. Man, those were fun days.

73's de W5SUM

ex: WN5AIA & WB5AIA

"Be sure your right, then go ahead"  D.Crockett

From cra at floodcity.net  Sat Feb 19 10:12:16 2005
From: cra at floodcity.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Western Electric 451A-1
Message-ID: <000601c51695$66853030$d6d35dc6@allegheneroy7l>

I have little or no luck in locating an owner of this transmitter.  A
gentleman in Cleveland  had one but I am unable to reestablish contact.

I have one restored - see the CRA website in the "Album" section on the
homepage and then click on the Heavy Metal article for a picture of this
unit next to my restored Collins 20V-3.

I need the dimensions of the three back panels that enclose the wiring and
components.  These are three "U" shaped panels that are painted a lovely
blue color.

Would anyone know of an owner of this 1947 transmitter?  Or, would know the
gentleman from Cleveland who was restoring one?

Thank you.

Dave, W3ST
Publisher of the Collins Journal
Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
To Join the CRA go to www.collinsra.com

Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
          14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST



From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Sat Feb 19 12:11:54 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com>
References: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com>
Message-ID: <4217735A.3050101@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

ronnie.hull wrote:

>a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my old 
>log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with WN8AAD, George 
>in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder whatever happened to ole 
>George?
>

I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF, 
recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10 years.

Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m being 
from 7100 ~ 7150kc. 
The fone band was the same as it is now... 7150 ~ 7300kc.

Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc?

;-)

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA)



From k0ng at inebraska.com  Sat Feb 19 14:10:39 2005
From: k0ng at inebraska.com (k0ng@inebraska.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com>
References: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com>
Message-ID: <1108840239.42178f2fc4b75@webmail.inebraska.com>


Nice to remember "the good ole days" Ronnie.

No amount of Foreign radios or internet will ever beat that.

I arrived in 1955 with homebrew transmitter, regen receiver and then
Haliscratchers S77 and ARC-5 receiver. Better than Hershey !!

Keep Going.  73 DE Charlie, K0NG  ..

Quoting "ronnie.hull" <ronnie.hull@glowbugs.com>:

> a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my old 
> log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with WN8AAD, George
> 
> in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder whatever happened to ole 
> George?
> 
> Anyway, I was running an Eico 720 and a Drake 2B with a dipole of course!
> 
> I staid on 40 until the spring of 1970 when I discovered 15 and 10 meters. 
> Suddenly, my lowly 50 watts of output was working the entire world. The 
> Acquistion of a TA-33Jr and a rotator and 50' of heigth, really opened up the
> 
> airwaves. Man, those were fun days.
> 
> 73's de W5SUM
> 
> ex: WN5AIA & WB5AIA
> 
> "Be sure your right, then go ahead"  D.Crockett
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From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Sat Feb 19 14:17:39 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Western Electric 451A-1
In-Reply-To: <000601c51695$66853030$d6d35dc6@allegheneroy7l>
Message-ID: <20050219191739.57821.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>

Dave, 

  Well I have one, and I am in Cleveland... 
  
  http://lakeerieba.com/KA4JVY/WE/so_there_is_this_transmitter.htm

  I'll be moving that and all the other BC xmtrs in about 2 weeks. Again...

  I'll get you those dimensions then.
 
  de KA4JVY

  Mark

--- David Knepper <cra@floodcity.net> wrote:

> I have little or no luck in locating an owner of this transmitter.  A
> gentleman in Cleveland  had one but I am unable to reestablish contact.
> 
> I have one restored - see the CRA website in the "Album" section on the
> homepage and then click on the Heavy Metal article for a picture of this
> unit next to my restored Collins 20V-3.
> 
> I need the dimensions of the three back panels that enclose the wiring and
> components.  These are three "U" shaped panels that are painted a lovely
> blue color.
> 
> Would anyone know of an owner of this 1947 transmitter?  Or, would know the
> gentleman from Cleveland who was restoring one?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Dave, W3ST
> Publisher of the Collins Journal
> Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> To Join the CRA go to www.collinsra.com
> 
> Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
>           14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> 
> 
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From crawfish at surfmore.net  Sat Feb 19 14:57:42 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Joe Crawford)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <4217735A.3050101@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
References: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com>
	<4217735A.3050101@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <courier.42179A36.00003112@surfmore.net>

The Novice 40m band in late '60's/early '70's was 7150 to 7200. I had 
crystals on 7173 and 7175 and 7163(I think). Lots of fun with Ameco AC-1 and 
Drake 2-A(sadly, don't have either one now).
                                   Joe W4AAB (WN4AUX 1972-73;WA4AUX 1973-99) 

Geoff writes: 

> ronnie.hull wrote: 
> 
>> a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my 
>> old log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with 
>> WN8AAD, George in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder whatever 
>> happened to ole George? 
>> 
> 
> I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF, 
> recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10 years. 
> 
> Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m being from 
> 7100 ~ 7150kc. The fone band was the same as it is now... 7150 ~ 7300kc. 
> 
> Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc? 
> 
> ;-) 
> 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA) 
> 
> 
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From bmarx at bellsouth.net  Sat Feb 19 15:12:32 2005
From: bmarx at bellsouth.net (Bill Marx)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com><4217735A.3050101@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
	<courier.42179A36.00003112@surfmore.net>
Message-ID: <046301c516bf$584aaa20$6101a8c0@main>

My Novice Frequency in the 50's was 7156. You could work the entire Novice
band with one crystal. It wasn't uncommon to tune up the band 20 kHz and
hear someone returning your "CQ" call five minutes after you stopped
sending. Lets face it...we all did the same thing hoping someone would hear
us.

Bill Marx W2CQ
KN2PEQ in 1958)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Crawford" <crawfish@surfmore.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days


> The Novice 40m band in late '60's/early '70's was 7150 to 7200. I had
> crystals on 7173 and 7175 and 7163(I think). Lots of fun with Ameco AC-1
and
> Drake 2-A(sadly, don't have either one now).
>                                    Joe W4AAB (WN4AUX 1972-73;WA4AUX
1973-99)
>
> Geoff writes:
>
> > ronnie.hull wrote:
> >
> >> a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my
> >> old log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with
> >> WN8AAD, George in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder
whatever
> >> happened to ole George?
> >>
> >
> > I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF,
> > recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10
years.
> >
> > Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m being
from
> > 7100 ~ 7150kc. The fone band was the same as it is now... 7150 ~ 7300kc.
> >
> > Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc?
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > 73 = Best Regards,
> > -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA)
> >
> >
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From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Sat Feb 19 15:25:00 2005
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <4217735A.3050101@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
References: <20050219112947.M95494@glowbugs.com>
	<4217735A.3050101@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <20050219202500.M85358@glowbugs.com>

 I got my general in 1970 and I got the very first WB Call in Shreveport. My 
friend Jerry got WA5ZZL about 3 months before I got my general.  Your mom had 
to have gotten her general after 1970.
I remember how badly I felt to be the first one in shreveport with a 'WB' 
call.. LOL

Ronnie




---------- Original Message -----------
From: Geoff <w5omr@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:11:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days

> ronnie.hull wrote:
> 
> >a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my 
old 
> >log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with WN8AAD, 
George 
> >in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder whatever happened to ole 
> >George?
> >
> 
> I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF, 
> recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10 years.
> 
> Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m 
> being from 7100 ~ 7150kc. The fone band was the same as it is now... 
> 7150 ~ 7300kc.
> 
> Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA)
> 
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From KB2WIG at twcny.rr.com  Sat Feb 19 19:28:20 2005
From: KB2WIG at twcny.rr.com (KB2WIG@twcny.rr.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface
Message-ID: <1b22511b408d.1b408d1b2251@nyroc.rr.com>

Bob, I know what you mean.. Its kinda spookey watching the words come out on the display and you cant hear anything.... Got to burn paper tape and spread the little holes on the lawn -- apease the Old Ones . I dont have any virgins to sacrifice...         kevin.. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Macklin <macklinbob@msn.com>
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:16 pm
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface

> I don't seem to have a problem with the signal level going in to 
> the sound
> card. On strong signals WinPSK tells me to reduce the input level. 
> But with
> this setup I am able to receive PSK signals I cannot hear in the 
> stationspeaker.
> 
> Bob Macklin
> K5MYJ/7
> Seattle, Wa.
> 
> "REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Roehrig" <broehrig@aurora.edu>
> To: "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob@msn.com>
> Cc: "GlowBugs" <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>; "AM Radio"
> <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Bob Macklin wrote:
> >
> > > I commected the Rx transformer with the 8ohm winding to the 
> speaker and
> > > the 500ohm winding going to the sound card LINE IN.
> > >
> > > I can copy PSK QSOs that I cannot even hear. I am very 
> impressed with
> this
> > > technology.
> >
> > You are getting quite a voltage step-up with that arrangement. 
> You will
> > get more than enough level into the sound card that way. I would 
> be a bit
> > worried about overdoing it and maybe wiping out the sound card input
> > circuit.
> >
> >
> >
> >                                Bob Roehrig
> >                      Aurora University    Telecom dept.
> >                      broehrig@aurora.edu    73 de K9EUI
> >                      630-844-4898      fax 630-844-4222
> >                      "Nostalgia is a thing of the past"
> >
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From macklinbob at msn.com  Sat Feb 19 19:49:51 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface
References: <1b22511b408d.1b408d1b2251@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV263B36CBCCE9EE4085D538C5600@phx.gbl>

PSK31 is a nice system to replace TTY. But this form of Phase modulation is
nothing new. We used it for disk drive encoding in the 60s and I belive it
was actually invented during WWII. I think is was called "Harvard Code". And
"Manchster Code" was 2F modulation.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <KB2WIG@twcny.rr.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface


> Bob, I know what you mean.. Its kinda spookey watching the words come out
on the display and you cant hear anything.... Got to burn paper tape and
spread the little holes on the lawn -- apease the Old Ones . I dont have any
virgins to sacrifice...         kevin..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Macklin <macklinbob@msn.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:16 pm
> Subject: [AMRadio] Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface
>
> > I don't seem to have a problem with the signal level going in to
> > the sound
> > card. On strong signals WinPSK tells me to reduce the input level.
> > But with
> > this setup I am able to receive PSK signals I cannot hear in the
> > stationspeaker.
> >
> > Bob Macklin
> > K5MYJ/7
> > Seattle, Wa.
> >
> > "REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bob Roehrig" <broehrig@aurora.edu>
> > To: "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob@msn.com>
> > Cc: "GlowBugs" <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>; "AM Radio"
> > <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [BULK] GB> HD-15 PSK Interface
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Bob Macklin wrote:
> > >
> > > > I commected the Rx transformer with the 8ohm winding to the
> > speaker and
> > > > the 500ohm winding going to the sound card LINE IN.
> > > >
> > > > I can copy PSK QSOs that I cannot even hear. I am very
> > impressed with
> > this
> > > > technology.
> > >
> > > You are getting quite a voltage step-up with that arrangement.
> > You will
> > > get more than enough level into the sound card that way. I would
> > be a bit
> > > worried about overdoing it and maybe wiping out the sound card input
> > > circuit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                                Bob Roehrig
> > >                      Aurora University    Telecom dept.
> > >                      broehrig@aurora.edu    73 de K9EUI
> > >                      630-844-4898      fax 630-844-4222
> > >                      "Nostalgia is a thing of the past"
> > >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From cra at floodcity.net  Sat Feb 19 19:40:44 2005
From: cra at floodcity.net (David Knepper)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Western Electric 451A-1
References: <20050219191739.57821.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c516e4$d07350e0$61d35dc6@allegheneroy7l>

Great!  What concerns me is the holes and I am not sure that you could lay
out a print of where the hole locations are.  I do know that some controls
stick out from the back panels.

Thanks

Dave, W3ST
Publisher of the Collins Journal
Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
To Join the CRA go to www.collinsra.com

Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
          14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Foltarz" <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Western Electric 451A-1


> Dave,
>
>   Well I have one, and I am in Cleveland...
>
>   http://lakeerieba.com/KA4JVY/WE/so_there_is_this_transmitter.htm
>
>   I'll be moving that and all the other BC xmtrs in about 2 weeks.
Again...
>
>   I'll get you those dimensions then.
>
>   de KA4JVY
>
>   Mark
>
> --- David Knepper <cra@floodcity.net> wrote:
>
> > I have little or no luck in locating an owner of this transmitter.  A
> > gentleman in Cleveland  had one but I am unable to reestablish contact.
> >
> > I have one restored - see the CRA website in the "Album" section on the
> > homepage and then click on the Heavy Metal article for a picture of this
> > unit next to my restored Collins 20V-3.
> >
> > I need the dimensions of the three back panels that enclose the wiring
and
> > components.  These are three "U" shaped panels that are painted a lovely
> > blue color.
> >
> > Would anyone know of an owner of this 1947 transmitter?  Or, would know
the
> > gentleman from Cleveland who was restoring one?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Dave, W3ST
> > Publisher of the Collins Journal
> > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> > To Join the CRA go to www.collinsra.com
> >
> > Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
> >           14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> >
> >
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From wa3vjb at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 19 23:58:29 2005
From: wa3vjb at yahoo.com (VJB)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Operating Events -
In-Reply-To: <20050220010051.C9143859CB4@mailman.qth.net>
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Primarily East Coast, new gathering over early cup of
coffee. Not sure who organized it, I just heard about
it today.

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From ka7ius at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 21 04:33:33 2005
From: ka7ius at hotmail.com (Tony Golda)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV2952A5436194C07E175930C56D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F3259670128E59DF915DC749D610@phx.gbl>


   Hello Bob,

        A big concern of mine would be the RF. Your 20X20 shack, is it in
   a retirerment home? If it is, are there alot of people with electronic
   medical devises.

         I  was  told  at  a  seminar, that the pace-makers, varges nerve
   stimulatars,  and  automatic drug dispensers are highly subseptible to
   RF. I wouldn't want to get blamed for killing some of these old people
   with a QSO!


   Tnx,


   Tony
   >From: "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob@msn.com>
   >Reply-To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
   >To:  "Jim  candela"  <jcandela@prodigy.net>,"Discussion  of AM Radio"
   <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
   >CC: GlowBugs <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
   >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
   >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:40:21 -0800
   >
   >Thanks to everyone for their comments on this subject.
   >
   >My  apartment  is  20'  by 20'. A RETIREMENT CLOSET! My desk with the
   station is
   >in  the  SE  corner of the livingroom. That's where the center of the
   antenna
   >is.  The  antenna  is on the wall about 6" below the ceiling. One leg
   goes west
   >almost  20'  then turns north for the remainder. The other leg starts
   in the
   >same  corner  and  goes  north  about  18'  then  turns  west for the
   remainder.
   >
   >The  antenna  tuner  will be on a shelf directly below the feedpoint.
   There
   >will  be  no  transmission line. The antenna will connect directly to
   the
   >balanced line terminals on the back of the matchbox.
   >
   >There will be RF in the shack. I have put the DX-60 on the single leg
   and
   >have  barely  noticable heringbone on some TV channels. And I have no
   TVI
   >supession  on  the TV yet. I am not going to mess with it until I get
   the full
   >antenna/matchbox system working.
   >
   >What  ground there is will only be for safety purposes. I don't think
   the OLD
   >LADIES can see well enough to see the heringbone.
   >
   >Thanks again for you comments.
   >
   >Bob Macklin
   >K5MYJ/7
   >Seattle, Wa.
   >
   >"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
   >
   >----- Original Message -----
   >From: "Jim candela" <jcandela@prodigy.net>
   >To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "Bob Macklin"
   ><macklinbob@msn.com>
   >Cc: "GlowBugs" <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
   >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:17 PM
   >Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
   >
   >
   > >
   > >
   > >    Bob,
   > >
   >  >      I  do  something  that  is a bit out of the ordinary, and on
   occasion has
   >  >  helped.  My  shack usually runs off a 10 outlet power strip with
   three prong
   >  >  120 v 15 amp jacks. I have found that making a common mode choke
   for the
   >  >  three  wires in the power strip helps keep my RF from conducting
   into the
   >AC
   > > power in my home. I do this with a suitable ferrite rod similar to
   a G-G
   >  >  linear  filament  choke.  This gives me a good and safe 60 hertz
   ground for
   >my
   >  > equipment, and discourages the Rf from going into your power line
   as a
   >  >  common  mode  signal.  I would then direct any RF floating on my
   equipment
   > > chassis's to a close-by ground rod, and use 1" wide braid.
   > >
   >  >      In your case, you could try the 1/4 wave ground wire concept
   tied to
   >  >  your  rig  (or MFJ equivalent), and use the common mode choke on
   your shack
   >  >  power strip. I'm not too sure how much this might help since the
   proximity
   >  >  of the antenna to all sorts of building wiring (door bell, phone
   wires,
   > > cat-5, catv, ac power, gas pipes, furnace ducts, plumbing, re-bar,
   >I-Beams,
   >  >  etc)  will  most  likely unbalance an indoor dipole antenna. You
   might try to
   >  >  force the balance with a current balun as well, and maybe change
   the
   >lengths
   > > a little due to varying detuning on each end.
   > >
   >  >      Another  thought  (from Dr. Evil) would be to go around your
   apartment
   > > with a impedance bridge, and look at the impedance between any two
   points,
   >  >  like  the  CATV  shield, and the furnace ducts. You might find a
   combination
   >  > that is easily tuned to 50 ohms resistive on a frequency you want
   to
   >operate
   >  >  on. I know this sounds crazy, but realize that every FCC part 15
   device in
   >  >  the  complex  is  likely  to  go  nuts  with your transmitter on
   anyway... I can
   >  >  see the whole complex blinking on and off to your CW CQ...Aliens
   on
   >another
   >  >  planet might see your CW from the visual blinking! If you cannot
   get the
   >RF
   >  >  out  of  the  wiring,  heck use the wiring for your antenna, and
   operate VERY
   > > infrequently. :-)
   > >
   > > Regards,
   > > Jim Candela
   > > WD5JKO
   > >
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
   >     >     [mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On    Behalf    Of
   k0ng@inebraska.com
   > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:42 PM
   > > To: Discussion of AM Radio; Bob Macklin
   > > Cc: AM Radio; GlowBugs
   > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
   > >
   > >
   > >
   >  >  Bob:  Dont  expect  any problem with your dipole (unless you are
   right under
   >  > it, then things might get hot). A dipole does not need any ground
   to
   > > operate.
   >  >  The "3rd wire" should only be used as a safety line to the radio
   chassis.
   >  >  It  would be best if you checked the 3rd wire continuity all the
   way back
   >to
   >  >  the  building  entrance  ground  but  I realize this is probably
   impractical.
   > >
   > > Good Luck,  DE Charlie,  K0NG  ..
   > >
   > > Quoting Bob Macklin <macklinbob@msn.com>:
   > >
   >  >  >  Back  to  my  4th  floor apartment problem. This building has
   plastic
   >  >  >  plumbing(which  seems  to  leak  at tleat once a month). This
   morning I
   >pulled
   >  >  >  the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic
   conduit
   > > also.
   > > >
   >  > > So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how
   it runs.
   > > >
   >  >  >  The  antenna  will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of
   problems
   > > should
   > > > I expect from the crappy ground?
   > > >
   > > > Bob Macklin
   > > > K5MYJ/7
   > > > Seattle, Wa.
   > > >
   > > > "REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
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From jcandela at prodigy.net  Mon Feb 21 22:42:54 2005
From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim candela)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F3259670128E59DF915DC749D610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLMECJDOAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>



Tony,

    You bring up an interesting point. If we knew that
a pace maker or insulin pump was suceptable to RF, and
we operated anyway, and the patient died as a result,
then who ultimately is responsible? Maybe the
manufacturer might be liable legally, and the ham
might be held liable when trying to cross through the
pearly gates? :-(

Jim WD5JKO

-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Tony Golda
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:34 AM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net; jcandela@prodigy.net
Cc: glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?



   Hello Bob,

        A big concern of mine would be the RF. Your 20X20 shack, is it in
   a retirerment home? If it is, are there alot of people with electronic
   medical devises.

         I  was  told  at  a  seminar, that the pace-makers, varges nerve
   stimulatars,  and  automatic drug dispensers are highly subseptible to
   RF. I wouldn't want to get blamed for killing some of these old people
   with a QSO!


   Tnx,


   Tony
   >From: "Bob Macklin" <macklinbob@msn.com>
   >Reply-To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
   >To:  "Jim  candela"  <jcandela@prodigy.net>,"Discussion  of AM Radio"
   <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
   >CC: GlowBugs <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
   >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
   >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:40:21 -0800
   >
   >Thanks to everyone for their comments on this subject.
   >
   >My  apartment  is  20'  by 20'. A RETIREMENT CLOSET! My desk with the
   station is
   >in  the  SE  corner of the livingroom. That's where the center of the
   antenna
   >is.  The  antenna  is on the wall about 6" below the ceiling. One leg
   goes west
   >almost  20'  then turns north for the remainder. The other leg starts
   in the
   >same  corner  and  goes  north  about  18'  then  turns  west for the
   remainder.
   >
   >The  antenna  tuner  will be on a shelf directly below the feedpoint.
   There
   >will  be  no  transmission line. The antenna will connect directly to
   the
   >balanced line terminals on the back of the matchbox.
   >
   >There will be RF in the shack. I have put the DX-60 on the single leg
   and
   >have  barely  noticable heringbone on some TV channels. And I have no
   TVI
   >supession  on  the TV yet. I am not going to mess with it until I get
   the full
   >antenna/matchbox system working.
   >
   >What  ground there is will only be for safety purposes. I don't think
   the OLD
   >LADIES can see well enough to see the heringbone.
   >
   >Thanks again for you comments.
   >
   >Bob Macklin
   >K5MYJ/7
   >Seattle, Wa.
   >
   >"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"
   >
   >----- Original Message -----
   >From: "Jim candela" <jcandela@prodigy.net>
   >To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "Bob Macklin"
   ><macklinbob@msn.com>
   >Cc: "GlowBugs" <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
   >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:17 PM
   >Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
   >
   >
   > >
   > >
   > >    Bob,
   > >
   >  >      I  do  something  that  is a bit out of the ordinary, and on
   occasion has
   >  >  helped.  My  shack usually runs off a 10 outlet power strip with
   three prong
   >  >  120 v 15 amp jacks. I have found that making a common mode choke
   for the
   >  >  three  wires in the power strip helps keep my RF from conducting
   into the
   >AC
   > > power in my home. I do this with a suitable ferrite rod similar to
   a G-G
   >  >  linear  filament  choke.  This gives me a good and safe 60 hertz
   ground for
   >my
   >  > equipment, and discourages the Rf from going into your power line
   as a
   >  >  common  mode  signal.  I would then direct any RF floating on my
   equipment
   > > chassis's to a close-by ground rod, and use 1" wide braid.
   > >
   >  >      In your case, you could try the 1/4 wave ground wire concept
   tied to
   >  >  your  rig  (or MFJ equivalent), and use the common mode choke on
   your shack
   >  >  power strip. I'm not too sure how much this might help since the
   proximity
   >  >  of the antenna to all sorts of building wiring (door bell, phone
   wires,
   > > cat-5, catv, ac power, gas pipes, furnace ducts, plumbing, re-bar,
   >I-Beams,
   >  >  etc)  will  most  likely unbalance an indoor dipole antenna. You
   might try to
   >  >  force the balance with a current balun as well, and maybe change
   the
   >lengths
   > > a little due to varying detuning on each end.
   > >
   >  >      Another  thought  (from Dr. Evil) would be to go around your
   apartment
   > > with a impedance bridge, and look at the impedance between any two
   points,
   >  >  like  the  CATV  shield, and the furnace ducts. You might find a
   combination
   >  > that is easily tuned to 50 ohms resistive on a frequency you want
   to
   >operate
   >  >  on. I know this sounds crazy, but realize that every FCC part 15
   device in
   >  >  the  complex  is  likely  to  go  nuts  with your transmitter on
   anyway... I can
   >  >  see the whole complex blinking on and off to your CW CQ...Aliens
   on
   >another
   >  >  planet might see your CW from the visual blinking! If you cannot
   get the
   >RF
   >  >  out  of  the  wiring,  heck use the wiring for your antenna, and
   operate VERY
   > > infrequently. :-)
   > >
   > > Regards,
   > > Jim Candela
   > > WD5JKO
   > >
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
   >     >     [mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On    Behalf    Of
   k0ng@inebraska.com
   > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:42 PM
   > > To: Discussion of AM Radio; Bob Macklin
   > > Cc: AM Radio; GlowBugs
   > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ground(Or Lack Of)?
   > >
   > >
   > >
   >  >  Bob:  Dont  expect  any problem with your dipole (unless you are
   right under
   >  > it, then things might get hot). A dipole does not need any ground
   to
   > > operate.
   >  >  The "3rd wire" should only be used as a safety line to the radio
   chassis.
   >  >  It  would be best if you checked the 3rd wire continuity all the
   way back
   >to
   >  >  the  building  entrance  ground  but  I realize this is probably
   impractical.
   > >
   > > Good Luck,  DE Charlie,  K0NG  ..
   > >
   > > Quoting Bob Macklin <macklinbob@msn.com>:
   > >
   >  >  >  Back  to  my  4th  floor apartment problem. This building has
   plastic
   >  >  >  plumbing(which  seems  to  leak  at tleat once a month). This
   morning I
   >pulled
   >  >  >  the plate off one of the wall plugs. The building has plastic
   conduit
   > > also.
   > > >
   >  > > So the only ground is the third wire and who knows where or how
   it runs.
   > > >
   >  >  >  The  antenna  will be made to a full 40M dipole. What kind of
   problems
   > > should
   > > > I expect from the crappy ground?
   > > >
   > > > Bob Macklin
   > > > K5MYJ/7
   > > > Seattle, Wa.
   > > >
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From don.schichler at PaeTec.com  Wed Feb 23 12:38:10 2005
From: don.schichler at PaeTec.com (Schichler, Don)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
Message-ID: <D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>

That's right, the 40 meter novice band in the 60's was from 7150 to 7200.  The phone band was smaller then, from 7200 to 7300.  I can't remember the exact xtal frequencies, but I sure had a lot of fun on CW as WN2QEV in 1964/1965.  At first I had to ask people to QRS, but after a short time it was no problem copying everybody.

I shared a Heathkit DX-40 and KnightKit Star Roamer with my twin brother Al, WN2QEW/NE2D.  Then we saved our pennies and bought a used Hallicrafters S-85 receiver, and discovered that 15 meters was far from being a "dead" band like it appeared to be with the Star Roamer.  We had a lot of fun on that band as well.

73, Don K2FY
Rochester, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Joe Crawford
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:58 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days


The Novice 40m band in late '60's/early '70's was 7150 to 7200. I had 
crystals on 7173 and 7175 and 7163(I think). Lots of fun with Ameco AC-1 and 
Drake 2-A(sadly, don't have either one now).
                                   Joe W4AAB (WN4AUX 1972-73;WA4AUX 1973-99) 

Geoff writes: 

> ronnie.hull wrote: 
> 
>> a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my 
>> old log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with 
>> WN8AAD, George in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder whatever 
>> happened to ole George? 
>> 
> 
> I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF, 
> recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10 years. 
> 
> Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m being from 
> 7100 ~ 7150kc. The fone band was the same as it is now... 7150 ~ 7300kc. 
> 
> Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc? 
> 
> ;-) 
> 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA) 
> 
> 
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From w3mj at ptd.net  Wed Feb 23 12:42:22 2005
From: w3mj at ptd.net (Bill Connelly)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.pae
	tec.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>

I think the Novice band was 7100 to 7150.  My pet rock was 7110.

Bill, W3MJ

At 12:38 PM 2/23/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
>Content-Type: text/plain;
>         charset="utf-8"
>
>That's right, the 40 meter novice band in the 60's was from 7150 to 
>7200.  The phone band was smaller then, from 7200 to 7300.  I can't 
>remember the exact xtal frequencies, but I sure had a lot of fun on CW as 
>WN2QEV in 1964/1965.  At first I had to ask people to QRS, but after a 
>short time it was no problem copying everybody.
>
>I shared a Heathkit DX-40 and KnightKit Star Roamer with my twin brother 
>Al, WN2QEW/NE2D.  Then we saved our pennies and bought a used 
>Hallicrafters S-85 receiver, and discovered that 15 meters was far from 
>being a "dead" band like it appeared to be with the Star Roamer.  We had a 
>lot of fun on that band as well.
>
>73, Don K2FY
>Rochester, NY
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Joe Crawford
>Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:58 PM
>To: Discussion of AM Radio
>Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
>
>
>The Novice 40m band in late '60's/early '70's was 7150 to 7200. I had
>crystals on 7173 and 7175 and 7163(I think). Lots of fun with Ameco AC-1 and
>Drake 2-A(sadly, don't have either one now).
>                                    Joe W4AAB (WN4AUX 1972-73;WA4AUX 1973-99)
>
>Geoff writes:
>
> > ronnie.hull wrote:
> >
> >> a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my
> >> old log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with
> >> WN8AAD, George in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder whatever
> >> happened to ole George?
> >>
> >
> > I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF,
> > recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10 years.
> >
> > Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m being from
> > 7100 ~ 7150kc. The fone band was the same as it is now... 7150 ~ 7300kc.
> >
> > Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc?
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > 73 = Best Regards,
> > -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA)
> >
> >
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From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Wed Feb 23 12:45:30 2005
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>
References: <D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.pae
	tec.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>
Message-ID: <20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>

nope, I found my old log book and ALL of my novice qso's were on 7.155, 7.160 
and 7.175    W5SUM

"This country may have stumbled but it aint ever fell, if the Russians 
don't believe us they can all go straight to hell"   Charlie Daniels

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Bill Connelly <w3mj@ptd.net>
To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:42:22 -0500
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days

> I think the Novice band was 7100 to 7150.  My pet rock was 7110.
> 
> Bill, W3MJ
> 
> At 12:38 PM 2/23/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
> >Content-Type: text/plain;
> >         charset="utf-8"
> >
> >That's right, the 40 meter novice band in the 60's was from 7150 to 
> >7200.  The phone band was smaller then, from 7200 to 7300.  I can't 
> >remember the exact xtal frequencies, but I sure had a lot of fun on CW as 
> >WN2QEV in 1964/1965.  At first I had to ask people to QRS, but after a 
> >short time it was no problem copying everybody.
> >
> >I shared a Heathkit DX-40 and KnightKit Star Roamer with my twin brother 
> >Al, WN2QEW/NE2D.  Then we saved our pennies and bought a used 
> >Hallicrafters S-85 receiver, and discovered that 15 meters was far from 
> >being a "dead" band like it appeared to be with the Star Roamer.  We had a 
> >lot of fun on that band as well.
> >
> >73, Don K2FY
> >Rochester, NY
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> >[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Joe Crawford
> >Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:58 PM
> >To: Discussion of AM Radio
> >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
> >
> >
> >The Novice 40m band in late '60's/early '70's was 7150 to 7200. I had
> >crystals on 7173 and 7175 and 7163(I think). Lots of fun with Ameco AC-1 
and
> >Drake 2-A(sadly, don't have either one now).
> >                                    Joe W4AAB (WN4AUX 1972-73;WA4AUX 1973-
99)
> >
> >Geoff writes:
> >
> > > ronnie.hull wrote:
> > >
> > >> a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got out my
> > >> old log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with
> > >> WN8AAD, George in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder 
whatever
> > >> happened to ole George?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF,
> > > recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10 
years.
> > >
> > > Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m being 
from
> > > 7100 ~ 7150kc. The fone band was the same as it is now... 7150 ~ 7300kc.
> > >
> > > Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc?
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > 73 = Best Regards,
> > > -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA)
> > >
> > >
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From wa5bxo at pctechref.com  Wed Feb 23 12:53:33 2005
From: wa5bxo at pctechref.com (John Coleman)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [Amps] VARIABLES CONDENSATORS
Message-ID: <000101c519d0$97d221f0$0a00000a@tcf2003.main>

Just got this on another reflector thought some one here might be
interested.

John, WA5BXO

-----Original Message-----
From: John Coleman [mailto:johnc@wa5bxo.shacknet.nu] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:52 AM
To: AMRadio (amradio@mailman.qth.net)
Subject: FW: [Amps] VARIABLES CONDENSATORS

Just got this on another reflector thought some one here might be
interested.

John, WA5BXO

-----Original Message-----
From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of METENIER Pierre
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:20 AM
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: [Amps] VARIABLES CONDENSATORS

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From macklinbob at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 12:56:42 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>
	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>

In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 7100 - 7150.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ronnie.hull" <ronnie.hull@glowbugs.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days


> nope, I found my old log book and ALL of my novice qso's were on 7.155,
7.160
> and 7.175    W5SUM
>
> "This country may have stumbled but it aint ever fell, if the Russians
> don't believe us they can all go straight to hell"   Charlie Daniels
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Bill Connelly <w3mj@ptd.net>
> To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:42:22 -0500
> Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
>
> > I think the Novice band was 7100 to 7150.  My pet rock was 7110.
> >
> > Bill, W3MJ
> >
> > At 12:38 PM 2/23/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;
> > >         charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > >That's right, the 40 meter novice band in the 60's was from 7150 to
> > >7200.  The phone band was smaller then, from 7200 to 7300.  I can't
> > >remember the exact xtal frequencies, but I sure had a lot of fun on CW
as
> > >WN2QEV in 1964/1965.  At first I had to ask people to QRS, but after a
> > >short time it was no problem copying everybody.
> > >
> > >I shared a Heathkit DX-40 and KnightKit Star Roamer with my twin
brother
> > >Al, WN2QEW/NE2D.  Then we saved our pennies and bought a used
> > >Hallicrafters S-85 receiver, and discovered that 15 meters was far from
> > >being a "dead" band like it appeared to be with the Star Roamer.  We
had a
> > >lot of fun on that band as well.
> > >
> > >73, Don K2FY
> > >Rochester, NY
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > >[mailto:amradio-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Joe Crawford
> > >Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:58 PM
> > >To: Discussion of AM Radio
> > >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
> > >
> > >
> > >The Novice 40m band in late '60's/early '70's was 7150 to 7200. I had
> > >crystals on 7173 and 7175 and 7163(I think). Lots of fun with Ameco
AC-1
> and
> > >Drake 2-A(sadly, don't have either one now).
> > >                                    Joe W4AAB (WN4AUX 1972-73;WA4AUX
1973-
> 99)
> > >
> > >Geoff writes:
> > >
> > > > ronnie.hull wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> a recent qso about novice days, stimulated my interest and I got
out my
> > > >> old log books. My very first cq qso was on november 24, 1969, with
> > > >> WN8AAD, George in Hamden Ohio, on 7.160mhz, at 22:45    I wonder
> whatever
> > > >> happened to ole George?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I swear I remember mom getting her ticket in 1967.  She is WB5BBF,
> > > > recently upgraded to general and renewed her ticket for another 10
> years.
> > > >
> > > > Even then, I *thought* I recalled the novice frequencies on 40m
being
> from
> > > > 7100 ~ 7150kc. The fone band was the same as it is now... 7150 ~
7300kc.
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure your first QSO was on 7160kc?
> > > >
> > > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > 73 = Best Regards,
> > > > -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 New Orleans, LA)
> > > >
> > > >
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From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Wed Feb 23 13:09:06 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
References: <D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>
	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
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Bob Macklin wrote:

> <>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 7100 
> - 7150.
>
> Bob Macklin
> K5MYJ/7
> Seattle, Wa.


Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 7200kcs

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR


From w3mj at ptd.net  Wed Feb 23 13:12:39 2005
From: w3mj at ptd.net (Bill Connelly)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <421CC6C2.3020403@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>
	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>
	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>

Thank you!
Bill, W3MJ


At 12:09 PM 2/23/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>Bob Macklin wrote:
>
>><>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 7100 - 7150.
>>
>>Bob Macklin
>>K5MYJ/7
>>Seattle, Wa.
>
>
>Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 7200kcs
>
>73 = Best Regards,
>-Geoff/W5OMR
>
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From macklinbob at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 13:46:06 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl><D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com><5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net><20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com><BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV137F341FEC5BAD2C811BBFC5630@phx.gbl>

I had a TYPO!

In 1976 it was 7100 - 7150. From the 1976 ARRL Handbook.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Connelly" <w3mj@ptd.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days


> Thank you!
> Bill, W3MJ
>
>
> At 12:09 PM 2/23/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> >Bob Macklin wrote:
> >
> >><>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 7100 -
7150.
> >>
> >>Bob Macklin
> >>K5MYJ/7
> >>Seattle, Wa.
> >
> >
> >Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 7200kcs
> >
> >73 = Best Regards,
> >-Geoff/W5OMR
> >
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> >
>
>
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From w6om at cox.net  Wed Feb 23 13:56:36 2005
From: w6om at cox.net (w6om@cox.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
Message-ID: <20050223185638.JXF4787.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>


Wow what a treat is has been reading all the reports, Ok here is mine.

Sept 27th, 1958, arrive home from school, play with the dog, stack my books in the bedroom and see an envelope from the FCC and Mr. CB Plummer authorzing me as a new novice, call sign WV6CZH.

After dinner and homework that night my nervous shaking hands pounded out my first CQ on my newly built DX-20 (which sets in my office today) on 40 CW and KL7AIZ in Adak answred me.  I was so scarred it took him several times sending his call before I got it.

The next Saturday found me on 15 CW where I worked my first Russian and Europeans, wow what a thrill.  That old BC-348 receiver sounded great and it also has a place of honor in my office.

The hobby became an obsession and set the path for my life, career and travels.  Whatever the business becomes will always be a result of my beginings in Ham Radio.

I share the story with anyone visiting our offices.

Thanks for the Bandwidth

Ron  W6OM

Founder & CEO   www.vipernetworks.com

PS: I still fire up those old boat anchors weekly and cruise around 40 CW.
   
> From: Geoff <w5omr@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
> Date: 2005/02/23 Wed PM 01:09:06 EST
> To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
> 
> Bob Macklin wrote:
> 
> > <>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 7100 
> > - 7150.
> >
> > Bob Macklin
> > K5MYJ/7
> > Seattle, Wa.
> 
> 
> Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 7200kcs
> 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR
> 
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Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO

www.qsl.net/w6om


From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Wed Feb 23 14:31:43 2005
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] tubes needed
Message-ID: <20050223193143.M61092@glowbugs.com>

Gentlemen

I am in need of the following tubes. Glass is preferable over metal tubes, in 
keeping with the original style of tubes that were in this old console readio 
I'm reworking.
6F6
6A8
6K7

if anyone has these spare and would part with them, please let me know what 
you would take for them.

thanks

Ronnie

"This country may have stumbled but it aint ever fell, if the Russians 
don't believe us they can all go straight to hell"   Charlie Daniels

From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Wed Feb 23 15:12:18 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>
Message-ID: <421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

Bill Connelly wrote:

> Thank you!
> Bill, W3MJ
>
>
> At 12:09 PM 2/23/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> Bob Macklin wrote:
>>
>>> <>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 
>>> 7100 - 7150.
>>>
>>> Bob Macklin
>>> K5MYJ/7
>>> Seattle, Wa.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 7200kcs
>>

Hold off on the thanks...  after I read and re-read that, something 
didn't look correct...

Let me try again, with these statements that I know (to the best of -my- 
current education)
to be fact...

I do not ever, at anytime, remember the Novice CW sub-band of 40m , 
being more than 50kc wide.

I've always known the Novice CW sub-band of 40m to be from 7100 to 7150kc.

There.  That's what Ive been -meaning- to say and/or stick with. 

I, personally, don't ever remember the Novice band on 40m being as high 
as 7200kc



--
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR



From yafeder37 at comcast.net  Wed Feb 23 15:34:56 2005
From: yafeder37 at comcast.net (yves feder)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] tubes needed
References: <20050223193143.M61092@glowbugs.com>
Message-ID: <01d801c519e7$22dac6b0$9b72fea9@YVESATHLON64>

I may have some 6K7's Ronnie - let me go look and I'll check back later - I 
may not have a glass one, but I'll look. Will you take metal if you can't 
get any glass?

no charge, OM - glad to help out:)

73
Al W1UX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ronnie.hull" <ronnie.hull@glowbugs.com>
To: "AMRadio @ QTH" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; "newoldstock" 
<newoldstock@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] tubes needed


> Gentlemen
>
> I am in need of the following tubes. Glass is preferable over metal tubes, 
> in
> keeping with the original style of tubes that were in this old console 
> readio
> I'm reworking.
> 6F6
> 6A8
> 6K7
>
> if anyone has these spare and would part with them, please let me know 
> what
> you would take for them.
>
> thanks
>
> Ronnie
>
> "This country may have stumbled but it aint ever fell, if the Russians
> don't believe us they can all go straight to hell"   Charlie Daniels
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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> 


From w6om at cox.net  Wed Feb 23 15:48:29 2005
From: w6om at cox.net (w6om@cox.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:15 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
Message-ID: <20050223204830.MQJP13104.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>


Finally dug into all three ART 13's and ready to combine the best of two into one really nice AM transmitter and sell the third one.   Before I heat up the soldering iron, tube tester and VTVM I wonder if anyone has experiance using commerical or amateur power supplies with one of these beauties to save in home brewing one.

Thanks


Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO

www.qsl.net/w6om


From garyschafer at comcast.net  Wed Feb 23 15:57:08 2005
From: garyschafer at comcast.net (Gary Schafer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>
	<421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <421CEE24.307@comcast.net>



Geoff wrote:
> Bill Connelly wrote:
> 
>> Thank you!
>> Bill, W3MJ
>>
>>
>> At 12:09 PM 2/23/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Macklin wrote:
>>>
>>>> <>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 
>>>> 7100 - 7150.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Macklin
>>>> K5MYJ/7
>>>> Seattle, Wa.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 7200kcs
>>>
> 
> Hold off on the thanks...  after I read and re-read that, something 
> didn't look correct...
> 
> Let me try again, with these statements that I know (to the best of -my- 
> current education)
> to be fact...
> 
> I do not ever, at anytime, remember the Novice CW sub-band of 40m , 
> being more than 50kc wide.
> 
> I've always known the Novice CW sub-band of 40m to be from 7100 to 7150kc.
> 
> There.  That's what Ive been -meaning- to say and/or stick with.
> I, personally, don't ever remember the Novice band on 40m being as high 
> as 7200kc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR
> 

Geoff,

I think you are right about it being only 50kc wide. I don't know when 
they changed but in the early 60's it was from 7150 to 7200. My one and 
only crystal then was 7175 kc. You young kids probably don't remember 
that. :>)

73
Gary  K4FMX



From don.schichler at PaeTec.com  Wed Feb 23 16:30:06 2005
From: don.schichler at PaeTec.com (Schichler, Don)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
Message-ID: <D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C483224674B@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>

I believe it was changed sometime in the mid-70's when the 40 meter phone band was expanded.

Don K2FY



Geoff,

I think you are right about it being only 50kc wide. I don't know when 
they changed but in the early 60's it was from 7150 to 7200. My one and 
only crystal then was 7175 kc. You young kids probably don't remember 
that. :>)

73
Gary  K4FMX


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From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Wed Feb 23 16:33:24 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <421CEE24.307@comcast.net>
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>	<421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
	<421CEE24.307@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

Gary Schafer wrote:

>
>
> Geoff wrote:
>
>> Bill Connelly wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Bill, W3MJ
>>>
>>>
>>> At 12:09 PM 2/23/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Macklin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 
>>>>> 7100 - 7150.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Macklin
>>>>> K5MYJ/7
>>>>> Seattle, Wa.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 
>>>> 7200kcs
>>>>
>>
>> Hold off on the thanks...  after I read and re-read that, something 
>> didn't look correct...
>>
>> Let me try again, with these statements that I know (to the best of 
>> -my- current education)
>> to be fact...
>>
>> I do not ever, at anytime, remember the Novice CW sub-band of 40m , 
>> being more than 50kc wide.
>>
>> I've always known the Novice CW sub-band of 40m to be from 7100 to 
>> 7150kc.
>>
>> There.  That's what Ive been -meaning- to say and/or stick with.
>> I, personally, don't ever remember the Novice band on 40m being as 
>> high as 7200kc
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> 73 = Best Regards,
>> -Geoff/W5OMR
>>
>
> Geoff,
>
> I think you are right about it being only 50kc wide. I don't know when 
> they changed but in the early 60's it was from 7150 to 7200. My one 
> and only crystal then was 7175 kc. You young kids probably don't 
> remember that. :>)   


Of course, there are some rigs and receivers (I'm thinking Heathkit) 
that had on a glass drum the 'fone segments in a heavy(ier) black  line, 
and 7.2 to 7.3Mc were bold'ed.  It couldn't have been long (relativly 
speaking) from when Phone operation was permitted on 40m.  The only 
"Class A" bands were 80, 20 and 10m then. 11m was there (don't remember 
a lot about it, other than it was a ham band at one time, and probably 
the best DX band hams had) and this was before 15m.

Interesting discussion.  I wonder if anyone has a time-line on when the 
major changes in Ham Radio took place, in regards to rules/operating 
privledges took place?

40m was a CW only band after WWII until the 50's.  75w DC Input was the 
Novice power limit.  1kW DC Input (which is MUCH easier to measure than 
PEP but that's another whole thread in/of itself ;->) for Generals and 
above, regardless of mode.

I've visited a few SSB'er hamshacks lately and some (not all) are 
running amps that are (according to the supposed 'peak-reading' 
wattmeters) running 2kW PLUS in output power.  (Not that it *bothers* 
me, just an observation).

I wonder if this is something that's being done all over, or just a 
'specific group' of guys who are running the illegal limit?

C'mon, man... a pair of 3CX800A7's?  That's 1600w of dissapation, 
fer-cryin'out-loud!  The right voltage on the plates would make 'em sing 
to -at least- 2kW pep output.  And some of these dual 4-1000 homebrew 
amps I hear on the air?  Isn't it the Alpha 8877 amp that runs 2 (not 
one, but *TWO*) 8877's in the output, EACH with a plate dissapation 
rating of 1,500w?

*shrug*

It's nice to remember the old days.  And, yes. the times, they are 
a'changing.   It's just that I just don't necessarily think some of us 
hams are changing in a good/positive way. 

The Law is Always The Law.  It doesn't bend because you run a different 
mode. 
The LEGAL output limit is 1500w PEP.

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR


From macklinbob at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 16:57:56 2005
From: macklinbob at msn.com (Bob Macklin)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>	<421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu><421CEE24.307@comcast.net>
	<421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV11A990EA4EADC94750E1B4C5630@phx.gbl>

Both my DX-60 and SB-401 have output below the current limit so I am not
worried.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ/7
Seattle, Wa.

"REAL RADIOS GLOW IN THE DARK"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff" <w5omr@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
To: <garyschafer@comcast.net>; "Discussion of AM Radio"
<amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days


> Gary Schafer wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Geoff wrote:
> >
> >> Bill Connelly wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>> Bill, W3MJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 12:09 PM 2/23/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bob Macklin wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> <>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was
> >>>>> 7100 - 7150.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob Macklin
> >>>>> K5MYJ/7
> >>>>> Seattle, Wa.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to
> >>>> 7200kcs
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Hold off on the thanks...  after I read and re-read that, something
> >> didn't look correct...
> >>
> >> Let me try again, with these statements that I know (to the best of
> >> -my- current education)
> >> to be fact...
> >>
> >> I do not ever, at anytime, remember the Novice CW sub-band of 40m ,
> >> being more than 50kc wide.
> >>
> >> I've always known the Novice CW sub-band of 40m to be from 7100 to
> >> 7150kc.
> >>
> >> There.  That's what Ive been -meaning- to say and/or stick with.
> >> I, personally, don't ever remember the Novice band on 40m being as
> >> high as 7200kc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> 73 = Best Regards,
> >> -Geoff/W5OMR
> >>
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > I think you are right about it being only 50kc wide. I don't know when
> > they changed but in the early 60's it was from 7150 to 7200. My one
> > and only crystal then was 7175 kc. You young kids probably don't
> > remember that. :>)
>
>
> Of course, there are some rigs and receivers (I'm thinking Heathkit)
> that had on a glass drum the 'fone segments in a heavy(ier) black  line,
> and 7.2 to 7.3Mc were bold'ed.  It couldn't have been long (relativly
> speaking) from when Phone operation was permitted on 40m.  The only
> "Class A" bands were 80, 20 and 10m then. 11m was there (don't remember
> a lot about it, other than it was a ham band at one time, and probably
> the best DX band hams had) and this was before 15m.
>
> Interesting discussion.  I wonder if anyone has a time-line on when the
> major changes in Ham Radio took place, in regards to rules/operating
> privledges took place?
>
> 40m was a CW only band after WWII until the 50's.  75w DC Input was the
> Novice power limit.  1kW DC Input (which is MUCH easier to measure than
> PEP but that's another whole thread in/of itself ;->) for Generals and
> above, regardless of mode.
>
> I've visited a few SSB'er hamshacks lately and some (not all) are
> running amps that are (according to the supposed 'peak-reading'
> wattmeters) running 2kW PLUS in output power.  (Not that it *bothers*
> me, just an observation).
>
> I wonder if this is something that's being done all over, or just a
> 'specific group' of guys who are running the illegal limit?
>
> C'mon, man... a pair of 3CX800A7's?  That's 1600w of dissapation,
> fer-cryin'out-loud!  The right voltage on the plates would make 'em sing
> to -at least- 2kW pep output.  And some of these dual 4-1000 homebrew
> amps I hear on the air?  Isn't it the Alpha 8877 amp that runs 2 (not
> one, but *TWO*) 8877's in the output, EACH with a plate dissapation
> rating of 1,500w?
>
> *shrug*
>
> It's nice to remember the old days.  And, yes. the times, they are
> a'changing.   It's just that I just don't necessarily think some of us
> hams are changing in a good/positive way.
>
> The Law is Always The Law.  It doesn't bend because you run a different
> mode.
> The LEGAL output limit is 1500w PEP.
>
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> AMRadio mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html
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From Rivpapa1 at aol.com  Wed Feb 23 18:02:43 2005
From: Rivpapa1 at aol.com (Rivpapa1@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Want some real fun??
Message-ID: <f4.4b21a66d.2f4e6593@aol.com>

I really enjoy the old Daze stories,we all got one..For a real hoot with your 
old reciever,build up a green "Magic Eye" tube circuit for the AVC line and 
watch it "Wink" open and close as you tune the signals.. It really Glows Green  
in the dark..Have fun ....Ron W6MAU

From Thermionic_Emission at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 23 18:25:12 2005
From: Thermionic_Emission at earthlink.net (George KB2Z)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Want some real fun??
In-Reply-To: <f4.4b21a66d.2f4e6593@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050223182113.00a352c0@pop.earthlink.net>

I saw plans for a magic eye tuning indicator on Phils old radio site. It 
was listed as being for a Halli. S-19R or S-20R but is adaptable to other 
rigs. 73 George KB2Z

At 06:02 PM 2/23/05 -0500, you wrote:

>I really enjoy the old Daze stories,we all got one..For a real hoot with your
>old reciever,build up a green "Magic Eye" tube circuit for the AVC line and
>watch it "Wink" open and close as you tune the signals.. It really Glows 
>Green
>in the dark..Have fun ....Ron W6MAU
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From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Wed Feb 23 19:31:20 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Want some real fun??
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050223182113.00a352c0@pop.earthlink.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050223182113.00a352c0@pop.earthlink.net>
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George KB2Z wrote:

> I saw plans for a magic eye tuning indicator on Phils old radio site. 
> It was listed as being for a Halli. S-19R or S-20R but is adaptable to 
> other rigs. 73 George KB2Z
>
> At 06:02 PM 2/23/05 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I really enjoy the old Daze stories,we all got one..For a real hoot 
>> with your
>> old reciever,build up a green "Magic Eye" tube circuit for the AVC 
>> line and
>> watch it "Wink" open and close as you tune the signals.. It really 
>> Glows Green
>> in the dark..Have fun ....Ron W6MAU
>

A Lot of guys are interested in hearing how their rigs sound on-air, but 
due to strong signals
in the receiver, receiver being muted, etc... it's difficult to get a 
-real good- idea of how it
"sounds". 

What would it take to build a 'crystal set' to tune 75m?  Simple diode 
detection, possibly
some sort of attenuation to keep the input signal down, and a set of 
cheap headphones...

Fun Projects that have a purpose!


---
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR


From SBJohnston at aol.com  Wed Feb 23 19:45:41 2005
From: SBJohnston at aol.com (SBJohnston@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Want some real fun??
Message-ID: <143.3fd67efa.2f4e7db5@aol.com>


I've seen (and have one from Midland)  field strength meters that include a 
headphone jack for monitoring of AM signals (and for hum/noise on CW carrier).  
They are only a short whip, germanium diode, and a bypass cap across meter 
and phones.  A pot is used to adjust the sensitivity, or just pull or push the 
whip in/out.  Works great...

Steve WD8DAS

sbjohnston@aol.com
http://www.qsl.net/wd8das
---------------------------------------
Radio is your best entertainment value.  
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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 23 19:59:09 2005
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F9C8119810437374262AA5F4640@phx.gbl>



>I've visited a few SSB'er hamshacks lately and some (not all) are running 
>amps that are (according to the supposed 'peak-reading' wattmeters) running 
>2kW PLUS in output power.

When the FCC changed the power limit,  they eliminated the requirement that 
used to be in the amateur rules to have on hand accurate instruments for 
measuring power, saying modern-day amateurs could use means other than 
"accurate measurement" to determine whether or not they were in compliance.

Has anyone ever figured out what they were talking about, other than that 
this was "spin" to fend off arguments that p.e.p. output power is too 
difficult for the average amateur to be capable of measuring with any kind 
of certainty?

Don K4KYV



From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Wed Feb 23 20:02:06 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
In-Reply-To: <20050223204830.MQJP13104.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20050224010206.19477.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>

Ron,

I have been using an ART13 with the Drake AC power supply for the intended
purpose.

Give a shout here at 813-837-2324 or 440-570-1762.

Or a QSO on 20m SSB

de KA4JVY

Mark


--- w6om@cox.net wrote:

> 
> Finally dug into all three ART 13's and ready to combine the best of two into
> one really nice AM transmitter and sell the third one.   Before I heat up the
> soldering iron, tube tester and VTVM I wonder if anyone has experiance using
> commerical or amateur power supplies with one of these beauties to save in
> home brewing one.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO
> 
> www.qsl.net/w6om
> 
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From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Wed Feb 23 20:15:26 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F9C8119810437374262AA5F4640@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F9C8119810437374262AA5F4640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <421D2AAE.2080900@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

Donald Chester wrote:

>
>
>> I've visited a few SSB'er hamshacks lately and some (not all) are 
>> running amps that are (according to the supposed 'peak-reading' 
>> wattmeters) running 2kW PLUS in output power.
>
>
> When the FCC changed the power limit,  they eliminated the requirement 
> that used to be in the amateur rules to have on hand accurate 
> instruments for measuring power, saying modern-day amateurs could use 
> means other than "accurate measurement" to determine whether or not 
> they were in compliance.
>
> Has anyone ever figured out what they were talking about, other than 
> that this was "spin" to fend off arguments that p.e.p. output power is 
> too difficult for the average amateur to be capable of measuring with 
> any kind of certainty?


I personally feel, Don, that it was an attempt by the "Awful Racket 
Raising League" to get hams to use "other devices" that are what a car 
dealer would call a "purchasable option", when buying that new peice of 
japanese-air, transistorized radio.  That option would be an SWR meter, 
with built in wattmeter that, oh by the way, happened to have a 
capacitor across the meter circuit to delay the fall time of the meter.

Just as the Novice Enhancement act put more hams on the air, it also 
sold more YeaComWoods to the entry level ham radio operators.  After the 
"Big Three" got greedy and saw that the novice market got flooded pretty 
quickly, they lobbied, and legislated CW requirements to be "almost" 
non-existant, so they could




(*..... drum roll please......*) 





                                                     S E L L  
                                                    M O R E 
                                                  R A D I O S   ! ! !

Get this, y'all...  I simply couldn't believe it. 

I got into a discussion a while back on SSB (yes, it happens) talking 
about antennas, amplifiers and building in general.
Sure enough, at "ID" time, everyone chimed in, and one individual gave 
his call, is a rather disgusted, put-out, irritated voice.
I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff boring 
you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit 
and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about 
what's important to ME!"

3.922 - "N5KDZ" (aka "Cedar Creek Bill")

THERE's a 'ham' for ya...

See what dropping requirements has done for us?

---
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR



From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Wed Feb 23 20:15:26 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F9C8119810437374262AA5F4640@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F9C8119810437374262AA5F4640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <421D2AAE.2080900@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

Donald Chester wrote:

>
>
>> I've visited a few SSB'er hamshacks lately and some (not all) are 
>> running amps that are (according to the supposed 'peak-reading' 
>> wattmeters) running 2kW PLUS in output power.
>
>
> When the FCC changed the power limit,  they eliminated the requirement 
> that used to be in the amateur rules to have on hand accurate 
> instruments for measuring power, saying modern-day amateurs could use 
> means other than "accurate measurement" to determine whether or not 
> they were in compliance.
>
> Has anyone ever figured out what they were talking about, other than 
> that this was "spin" to fend off arguments that p.e.p. output power is 
> too difficult for the average amateur to be capable of measuring with 
> any kind of certainty?


I personally feel, Don, that it was an attempt by the "Awful Racket 
Raising League" to get hams to use "other devices" that are what a car 
dealer would call a "purchasable option", when buying that new peice of 
japanese-air, transistorized radio.  That option would be an SWR meter, 
with built in wattmeter that, oh by the way, happened to have a 
capacitor across the meter circuit to delay the fall time of the meter.

Just as the Novice Enhancement act put more hams on the air, it also 
sold more YeaComWoods to the entry level ham radio operators.  After the 
"Big Three" got greedy and saw that the novice market got flooded pretty 
quickly, they lobbied, and legislated CW requirements to be "almost" 
non-existant, so they could




(*..... drum roll please......*) 





                                                     S E L L  
                                                    M O R E 
                                                  R A D I O S   ! ! !

Get this, y'all...  I simply couldn't believe it. 

I got into a discussion a while back on SSB (yes, it happens) talking 
about antennas, amplifiers and building in general.
Sure enough, at "ID" time, everyone chimed in, and one individual gave 
his call, is a rather disgusted, put-out, irritated voice.
I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff boring 
you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit 
and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about 
what's important to ME!"

3.922 - "N5KDZ" (aka "Cedar Creek Bill")

THERE's a 'ham' for ya...

See what dropping requirements has done for us?

---
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR



From bratcher at pdq.net  Wed Feb 23 20:16:09 2005
From: bratcher at pdq.net (Robert M. Bratcher Jr.)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
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	<421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
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At 03:33 PM 2/23/2005, Geoff wrote:
>Gary Schafer wrote:
>
>I've visited a few SSB'er hamshacks lately and some (not all) are running 
>amps that are (according to the supposed 'peak-reading' wattmeters) 
>running 2kW PLUS in output power.  (Not that it *bothers* me, just an 
>observation).
>
>I wonder if this is something that's being done all over, or just a 
>'specific group' of guys who are running the illegal limit?
>
>C'mon, man... a pair of 3CX800A7's?  That's 1600w of dissapation, 
>fer-cryin'out-loud!  The right voltage on the plates would make 'em sing 
>to -at least- 2kW pep output.  And some of these dual 4-1000 homebrew amps 
>I hear on the air?  Isn't it the Alpha 8877 amp that runs 2 (not one, but 
>*TWO*) 8877's in the output, EACH with a plate dissapation rating of 1,500w?
>
>*shrug*
>
>It's nice to remember the old days.  And, yes. the times, they are 
>a'changing.   It's just that I just don't necessarily think some of us 
>hams are changing in a good/positive way.
>The Law is Always The Law.  It doesn't bend because you run a different 
>mode. The LEGAL output limit is 1500w PEP.
>
>73 = Best Regards,
>-Geoff/W5OMR

Anybody know where I could find a schematic for these amplifiers?
Whats the best way to build a 1kw (capable) modulation transformer to plate 
modulate an amp like these? Not that I'd want to. Just asking... 


From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Wed Feb 23 20:23:10 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050223191123.026a5d08@pop3.airmail.net>
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>	<421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
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Robert M. Bratcher Jr. wrote:

>> C'mon, man... a pair of 3CX800A7's?  That's 1600w of dissapation, 
>> fer-cryin'out-loud!  The right voltage on the plates would make 'em 
>> sing to -at least- 2kW pep output.  And some of these dual 4-1000 
>> homebrew amps I hear on the air?  Isn't it the Alpha 8877 amp that 
>> runs 2 (not one, but *TWO*) 8877's in the output, EACH with a plate 
>> dissapation rating of 1,500w?
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>> It's nice to remember the old days.  And, yes. the times, they are 
>> a'changing.   It's just that I just don't necessarily think some of 
>> us hams are changing in a good/positive way.
>> The Law is Always The Law.  It doesn't bend because you run a 
>> different mode. The LEGAL output limit is 1500w PEP.
>
>
> Anybody know where I could find a schematic for these amplifiers?
> Whats the best way to build a 1kw (capable) modulation transformer to 
> plate modulate an amp like these? Not that I'd want to. Just asking...


Why couldn't you run a 500w modulation transformer, insulated off of 
ground, DC shunted off of the secondary a-la "reactor", and capacitivly 
couple the audio to the DC line to the amp?    I've been looking for 
years, for a single 40Hy choke, at 500mA and have yet to locate one.  I 
have strung several chokes in series, and obtained the same results.  
Just not at the 1500w level
;-)



---
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR


From crawfish at surfmore.net  Wed Feb 23 21:21:31 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Joe Crawford)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Want some real fun??
In-Reply-To: <f4.4b21a66d.2f4e6593@aol.com>
References: <f4.4b21a66d.2f4e6593@aol.com>
Message-ID: <courier.421D3A2B.00002D2B@surfmore.net>

A friend of mine who was active during the "gooneybox" era on 6 and 2m said 
that if you had a real strong signal into someone's receiver, it would cause 
the tuning eye tube to go dark. The predecessor of "S meters". If you were 
real strong, the receiving station would say," You're closing the eye over 
here". Kind of like S9 plus a bunch.
                                    Joe W4AAB 

Rivpapa1@aol.com writes: 

> I really enjoy the old Daze stories,we all got one..For a real hoot with your 
> old reciever,build up a green "Magic Eye" tube circuit for the AVC line and 
> watch it "Wink" open and close as you tune the signals.. It really Glows Green  
> in the dark..Have fun ....Ron W6MAU
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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> Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
 


From crawfish at surfmore.net  Wed Feb 23 21:29:11 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Joe Crawford)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
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	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>
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	<421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
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In 1972 the 40m Novice band was 7150-7200. I know because I was there. Refer 
to 1970 ARRL Handbook page 14 at the left bottom of the page. Seems like the 
change was made in late 1972 or a little later.
                              Joe W4AAB (ex-WN4AUX 1972-73) 

Geoff writes: 

> Gary Schafer wrote: 
> 
>>  
>> 
>> Geoff wrote: 
>> 
>>> Bill Connelly wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Bill, W3MJ 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 12:09 PM 2/23/2005 -0600, you wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> Bob Macklin wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> <>In 1969 the 40M Novice segment was 7150 - 7200. In 1986 it was 7100 
>>>>>> - 7150. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob Macklin
>>>>>> K5MYJ/7
>>>>>> Seattle, Wa.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before that.  I got my ticket in Feb of 1984, and it was 7100 to 
>>>>> 7200kcs 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hold off on the thanks...  after I read and re-read that, something 
>>> didn't look correct... 
>>> 
>>> Let me try again, with these statements that I know (to the best of -my- 
>>> current education)
>>> to be fact... 
>>> 
>>> I do not ever, at anytime, remember the Novice CW sub-band of 40m , 
>>> being more than 50kc wide. 
>>> 
>>> I've always known the Novice CW sub-band of 40m to be from 7100 to 
>>> 7150kc. 
>>> 
>>> There.  That's what Ive been -meaning- to say and/or stick with.
>>> I, personally, don't ever remember the Novice band on 40m being as high 
>>> as 7200kc 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 73 = Best Regards,
>>> -Geoff/W5OMR 
>>> 
>> 
>> Geoff, 
>> 
>> I think you are right about it being only 50kc wide. I don't know when 
>> they changed but in the early 60's it was from 7150 to 7200. My one and 
>> only crystal then was 7175 kc. You young kids probably don't remember 
>> that. :>)
>  
> 
> Of course, there are some rigs and receivers (I'm thinking Heathkit) that 
> had on a glass drum the 'fone segments in a heavy(ier) black  line, and 
> 7.2 to 7.3Mc were bold'ed.  It couldn't have been long (relativly 
> speaking) from when Phone operation was permitted on 40m.  The only "Class 
> A" bands were 80, 20 and 10m then. 11m was there (don't remember a lot 
> about it, other than it was a ham band at one time, and probably the best 
> DX band hams had) and this was before 15m. 
> 
> Interesting discussion.  I wonder if anyone has a time-line on when the 
> major changes in Ham Radio took place, in regards to rules/operating 
> privledges took place? 
> 
> 40m was a CW only band after WWII until the 50's.  75w DC Input was the 
> Novice power limit.  1kW DC Input (which is MUCH easier to measure than 
> PEP but that's another whole thread in/of itself ;->) for Generals and 
> above, regardless of mode. 
> 
> I've visited a few SSB'er hamshacks lately and some (not all) are running 
> amps that are (according to the supposed 'peak-reading' wattmeters) 
> running 2kW PLUS in output power.  (Not that it *bothers* me, just an 
> observation). 
> 
> I wonder if this is something that's being done all over, or just a 
> 'specific group' of guys who are running the illegal limit? 
> 
> C'mon, man... a pair of 3CX800A7's?  That's 1600w of dissapation, 
> fer-cryin'out-loud!  The right voltage on the plates would make 'em sing 
> to -at least- 2kW pep output.  And some of these dual 4-1000 homebrew amps 
> I hear on the air?  Isn't it the Alpha 8877 amp that runs 2 (not one, but 
> *TWO*) 8877's in the output, EACH with a plate dissapation rating of 
> 1,500w? 
> 
> *shrug* 
> 
> It's nice to remember the old days.  And, yes. the times, they are 
> a'changing.   It's just that I just don't necessarily think some of us 
> hams are changing in a good/positive way.  
> 
> The Law is Always The Law.  It doesn't bend because you run a different 
> mode. The LEGAL output limit is 1500w PEP. 
> 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR 
> 
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From schich at frontiernet.net  Wed Feb 23 23:56:07 2005
From: schich at frontiernet.net (Don Schichler)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl><D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com><5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net><20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com><BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl><5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net><421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
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Joe - I just dug out my musty old 1973 ARRL Handbook, and on page 14 it
shows the Novice band on 7100 to 7150.  So that narrows it down to either
late '72 or '73 that it was changed.  Seems like it was later than that, but
time flies - hi hi!  It's fun to do a little amateur radio research now and
then.

Don K2FY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Crawford" <crawfish@surfmore.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <garyschafer@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days


> In 1972 the 40m Novice band was 7150-7200. I know because I was there.
Refer
> to 1970 ARRL Handbook page 14 at the left bottom of the page. Seems like
the
> change was made in late 1972 or a little later.
>                               Joe W4AAB (ex-WN4AUX 1972-73)



From w6om at cox.net  Thu Feb 24 00:18:23 2005
From: w6om at cox.net (w6om@cox.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
Message-ID: <20050224051824.XGOT18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>


Thanks Mark

My instincts told me that there had to be something available out there, either Drake, Heath or some commerical piece.

I assume you are using the Drake PS for the TR series?

Cheers

Ron 
> From: Mark Foltarz <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> Date: 2005/02/23 Wed PM 08:02:06 EST
> To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
> 
> Ron,
> 
> I have been using an ART13 with the Drake AC power supply for the intended
> purpose.
> 
> Give a shout here at 813-837-2324 or 440-570-1762.
> 
> Or a QSO on 20m SSB
> 
> de KA4JVY
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> --- w6om@cox.net wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Finally dug into all three ART 13's and ready to combine the best of two into
> > one really nice AM transmitter and sell the third one.   Before I heat up the
> > soldering iron, tube tester and VTVM I wonder if anyone has experiance using
> > commerical or amateur power supplies with one of these beauties to save in
> > home brewing one.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO
> > 
> > www.qsl.net/w6om
> > 
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From fkamp at comcast.net  Thu Feb 24 00:46:37 2005
From: fkamp at comcast.net (fkamp@comcast.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <BAY104-F9C8119810437374262AA5F4640@phx.gbl>
	<421D2AAE.2080900@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <421D6A3D.44EDE8DC@comcast.net>



Geoff wrote:
> 

> I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff boring
> you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit
> and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about
> what's important to ME!"

> THERE's a 'ham' for ya...
> 
> See what dropping requirements has done for us?
> 

Sounds like a politican.

Naw, that has nothing to do with requirements.  Rude transcends
everything from smart to stupid.  The guy must have had a bad hair day. 
Or perhaps he is on a roll to a bad hair life.

Were the others interested in building stuff?

Maybe you were communicating with old guys more interested in their
ailments, cures, and who won the lottery.

I wouldn't let it bother me.

Regards,
Frank Kamp

From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Thu Feb 24 08:41:17 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
Message-ID: <421DD97D.4050604@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

fkamp@comcast.net wrote:

 > <>
 > Geoff wrote:
 >
 >> I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff boring
 >> you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit
 >> and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about
 >> what's important to ME!"
 >>  
 >> THERE's a 'ham' for ya...
 >>
 >> See what dropping requirements has done for us?
 >>

Sounds like a politican.

 > Naw, that has nothing to do with requirements.  Rude transcends
 > everything from smart to stupid.  The guy must have had a bad hair 
day. Or perhaps he is on a roll to a bad hair life.
 >
 > Were the others interested in building stuff?
 > 
 >

Not to sound like an "educated rectum", Frank, but certainly someone 
else WAS interested in the conversation, otherwise the discussion 
wouldn't have taken place in the first place (grin)

 > Maybe you were communicating with old guys more interested in their
 > ailments, cures, and who won the lottery.
 > 
 >

No, it's just this -one- guy who (from the only other radio exposure 
he's had) thinks he's the "Channel Master" of 3.922.

I've since found out that several others who -used- to frequent this 
particular SSB frequency have also vacated it in search for more 
"intelligent" conversation topics that are radio related (like building 
and testing equipment) and are happy with the fact that this person can 
only be found on 3.922.

 > I wouldn't let it bother me.
 >

I'm not going back :-)

This guy used to be out in the oil fields, Frank.

---
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR




From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Thu Feb 24 10:28:01 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply
In-Reply-To: <20050224051824.XGOT18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20050224152801.46683.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> I assume you are using the Drake PS for the TR series?
>

Ron,

Nope! As far as I can tell this power supply was one of the first itmes Drake
ever produced. They made a few items during WWII and this was made I believe in
1944.

It sort of a squatty cube about 1 foot on side and about a foot and a half in
height. It has a big fan in the top cover. There are two lamps, a breaker
doubles as a power switch and there is also power connector the same as that on
 the transmitter.

I have never seen another one. 

It was made just for the ART13. It contains the filament, LV & HV supplies.

When I got it the filament supply was shorted and all the electrolytics were
bad.

I replaced the filament transformer with a 19 VAC and full waved the output
into a big cap ( 50K ufd or something.) I removed the 4 mercuty arc tubes and
replaced them with SS rectifiers. 

Finally, the electrolytics were removed and replaced with a bunch of 430 ufd @
250 shunted by 40K equalization resisitors.


Everything else is intact. You turn on the switch and the big green light
lights up. Wait about 45 seconds and the relay used to delay the plate for the
mercury tubes kicks in and the red lamp  and HV supplies come up. The
transmitter is ready for service.

Like I said, I have never seen another one of these power supplies. I don't
have the model number in hand as I am in Florida right now and the supply is in
Ohio. 


de KA4JVY

Mark

--- w6om@cox.net wrote:

> 
> Thanks Mark
> 
> My instincts told me that there had to be something available out there,
> either Drake, Heath or some commerical piece.
> 
> I assume you are using the Drake PS for the TR series?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ron 
> > From: Mark Foltarz <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> > Date: 2005/02/23 Wed PM 08:02:06 EST
> > To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
> > 
> > Ron,
> > 
> > I have been using an ART13 with the Drake AC power supply for the intended
> > purpose.
> > 
> > Give a shout here at 813-837-2324 or 440-570-1762.
> > 
> > Or a QSO on 20m SSB
> > 
> > de KA4JVY
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > --- w6om@cox.net wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Finally dug into all three ART 13's and ready to combine the best of two
> into
> > > one really nice AM transmitter and sell the third one.   Before I heat up
> the
> > > soldering iron, tube tester and VTVM I wonder if anyone has experiance
> using
> > > commerical or amateur power supplies with one of these beauties to save
> in
> > > home brewing one.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO
> > > 
> > > www.qsl.net/w6om
> > > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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From k5xu at jam.rr.com  Thu Feb 24 18:42:21 2005
From: k5xu at jam.rr.com (Mike Duke, K5XU)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Novice Days
Message-ID: <00c601c51aca$7e01a480$6401a8c0@DDG8XG61>

Ah, yes!

There was activity on 40 meters 24/7, despite Radio Moscow, Voice of 
America, BBC, etc.

While my old Viking Ranger has long since gone to who knows where, I still 
have most of my Novice crystals, including my two favorite frequencies, 
71.75, and 71.95.

I also still have the HQ110-A/VHF which was bought new for me at Christmas, 
1968.

The other thing I remember the most about that station was the antenna, a 40 
meter folded dipole made from and fed with tv twin lead bought at my local 
tv repair shop. That antenna worked better than any other 40 meter dipole 
I've ever had since.

It was in a nearly perfect flat top at about 35 feet.

One of these days I'll build another one just like it just so I can hear 
these new guys say "what's that?"

The only thing I didn't like about that antenna was that when it rained, the 
transmitter had to be re-tuned many times until the antenna dried. Until I 
acquired the necessary equipment for making auditory meter readings, this 
was a real problem whenever my dad was not home.

I later added a rotatable 15 meter dipole dubbed "A 1 Element Beam," by the 
1968 ARRL Handbook. It worked okay, but 40 meters was still my favorite 
band.

Once I upgraded to General in the summer of 1970, I went to 10 meter AM 
since my signal from the Ranger kept getting clobbered by the SSB 
power-brokers on 80 and 40 meters. Despite being the underdog, AM was then, 
and is now, still very much fun to operate.

Mike Duke, K5XU EX WN5ADC & WB5ADC
American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs



From crawfish at surfmore.net  Thu Feb 24 19:23:49 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Joe Crawford)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <002d01c51a2d$270de640$befea8c0@downstairs>
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>
	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>
	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>
	<421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <421CEE24.307@comcast.net>
	<421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
	<courier.421D3BF7.000032E8@surfmore.net>
	<002d01c51a2d$270de640$befea8c0@downstairs>
Message-ID: <courier.421E7015.0000333C@surfmore.net>

Did more research. The date was November 15th, 1972. The FCC changed the 40m 
Novice band,they authorized the use of VFO's by Novices, and Novices got 
28.1-28.2 CW. I remember borrowing a VF-1 to go on the borrowed HW-16 as the 
40m crystals I had were useless.Had a note in my logbook about changes. Lots 
of changes over the years, but that was the most at one time.
                                         Joe W4AAB 

Don Schichler writes: 

> Joe - I just dug out my musty old 1973 ARRL Handbook, and on page 14 it
> shows the Novice band on 7100 to 7150.  So that narrows it down to either
> late '72 or '73 that it was changed.  Seems like it was later than that, but
> time flies - hi hi!  It's fun to do a little amateur radio research now and
> then. 
> 
> Don K2FY 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Crawford" <crawfish@surfmore.net>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: <garyschafer@comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days 
> 
> 
>> In 1972 the 40m Novice band was 7150-7200. I know because I was there.
> Refer
>> to 1970 ARRL Handbook page 14 at the left bottom of the page. Seems like
> the
>> change was made in late 1972 or a little later.
>>                               Joe W4AAB (ex-WN4AUX 1972-73)
>  
> 
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From ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com  Thu Feb 24 20:02:49 2005
From: ronnie.hull at glowbugs.com (ronnie.hull)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Fed-X
Message-ID: <20050225010249.M84498@glowbugs.com>

Tonight I had the pleasure<?> of following a Fed-X truck down the freeway. 
His back door was up and he was dropping packages all over the interestate. 
They were getting wacked left and right. Suppose it had been a pristine SX-88 
that I was shipping to someone? LOL

I stopped and got one box and it was BLOOD!!  Being shipped to Yonkers New 
York ( them yanquis sure have funny names). I called FED-X and they said they 
would be right out to get it. That was 4 hours ago. I guess this overnight 
package aint gonna make it and I hope it wasn't for someone in critical care.

Anyway, glad it wasn't someone's precious boat anchor

de W5SUM

"This country may have stumbled but it aint ever fell, if the Russians 
don't believe us they can all go straight to hell"   Charlie Daniels

From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Fri Feb 25 16:08:38 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply
In-Reply-To: <091a01c51a93$bd76ee90$2f02a8c0@OFFICE>
Message-ID: <20050225210838.27487.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com>

Dale,

   Here are a couple of photos from Field Day 2002.

This is a picture of the poser supplies. The left most is the Drake ART13 110
vac power supply. Of course the tag is conveniently on the other side!
http://www.lakeerieba.com/images/fd2002005_PWS.jpg


These two next show what was set up 
http://www.lakeerieba.com/images/fieldday_2002_BA.jpg
http://www.lakeerieba.com/images/fieldday_2002_BA2.jpg

de KA4JVY

Mark




--- Radio Station KW1I <kw1i@earthlink.net> wrote:


> Mark,
> 
> If you had a chance to take an image of that power supply I sure would like
> to see what it looks like.  I might recognize one when I am prowling through
> attics and garages in the future,  I have two working ART-13s.  I have a
> dynomotor and a big 28 vdc supply and I have a homebrew AC supply that has
> about 550 v and 1500 v dc supplies that give me enough drive and input power
> to get about 150 watts out.
> 
> Dale
> KW1I
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Foltarz" <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply
> 
> 
> > >
> > > I assume you are using the Drake PS for the TR series?
> > >
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Nope! As far as I can tell this power supply was one of the first itmes
> Drake
> > ever produced. They made a few items during WWII and this was made I
> believe in
> > 1944.
> >
> > It sort of a squatty cube about 1 foot on side and about a foot and a half
> in
> > height. It has a big fan in the top cover. There are two lamps, a breaker
> > doubles as a power switch and there is also power connector the same as
> that on
> >  the transmitter.
> >
> > I have never seen another one.
> >
> > It was made just for the ART13. It contains the filament, LV & HV
> supplies.
> >
> > When I got it the filament supply was shorted and all the electrolytics
> were
> > bad.
> >
> > I replaced the filament transformer with a 19 VAC and full waved the
> output
> > into a big cap ( 50K ufd or something.) I removed the 4 mercuty arc tubes
> and
> > replaced them with SS rectifiers.
> >
> > Finally, the electrolytics were removed and replaced with a bunch of 430
> ufd @
> > 250 shunted by 40K equalization resisitors.
> >
> >
> > Everything else is intact. You turn on the switch and the big green light
> > lights up. Wait about 45 seconds and the relay used to delay the plate for
> the
> > mercury tubes kicks in and the red lamp  and HV supplies come up. The
> > transmitter is ready for service.
> >
> > Like I said, I have never seen another one of these power supplies. I
> don't
> > have the model number in hand as I am in Florida right now and the supply
> is in
> > Ohio.
> >
> >
> > de KA4JVY
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- w6om@cox.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks Mark
> > >
> > > My instincts told me that there had to be something available out there,
> > > either Drake, Heath or some commerical piece.
> > >
> > > I assume you are using the Drake PS for the TR series?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > > From: Mark Foltarz <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> > > > Date: 2005/02/23 Wed PM 08:02:06 EST
> > > > To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
> > > >
> > > > Ron,
> > > >
> > > > I have been using an ART13 with the Drake AC power supply for the
> intended
> > > > purpose.
> > > >
> > > > Give a shout here at 813-837-2324 or 440-570-1762.
> > > >
> > > > Or a QSO on 20m SSB
> > > >
> > > > de KA4JVY
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- w6om@cox.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally dug into all three ART 13's and ready to combine the best of
> two
> > > into
> > > > > one really nice AM transmitter and sell the third one.   Before I
> heat up
> > > the
> > > > > soldering iron, tube tester and VTVM I wonder if anyone has
> experiance
> > > using
> > > > > commerical or amateur power supplies with one of these beauties to
> save
> > > in
> > > > > home brewing one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO
> > > > >
> > > > > www.qsl.net/w6om
> > > > >
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From w6om at cox.net  Fri Feb 25 16:18:06 2005
From: w6om at cox.net (w6om@cox.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply
Message-ID: <20050225211805.HQAV13104.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>


Wow, thanks Mark

That's impressive, what a set up for field day. 

Thanks again

Ron
> 
> From: Mark Foltarz <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> Date: 2005/02/25 Fri PM 04:08:38 EST
> To: "amradio@mailman.qth.net" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply


Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO

www.qsl.net/w6om


From w6om at cox.net  Fri Feb 25 16:18:15 2005
From: w6om at cox.net (w6om@cox.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply
Message-ID: <20050225211815.LGHG7956.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>


Wow, thanks Mark

That's impressive, what a set up for field day. 

Thanks again

Ron
> 
> From: Mark Foltarz <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> Date: 2005/02/25 Fri PM 04:08:38 EST
> To: "amradio@mailman.qth.net" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply


Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO

www.qsl.net/w6om


From kw1i at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 25 17:40:17 2005
From: kw1i at earthlink.net (Radio Station KW1I)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply
References: <20050225210838.27487.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015d01c51b8a$fb00d620$2f02a8c0@OFFICE>

Mark,

That ART-13 supply is a nice package.  I might have recognized it from the
power plug pin out.  But now I'm sure to inspect every 1 ft cube black
crackle box that crosses my flea market trail thanks to your picture!!

Thanks for the pics.  We've had a long winter, the field day pics with the
grass and short sleeves, etc. looks pretty good about now.

Dale
KW1I



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Foltarz" <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply


> Dale,
>
>    Here are a couple of photos from Field Day 2002.
>
> This is a picture of the poser supplies. The left most is the Drake ART13
110
> vac power supply. Of course the tag is conveniently on the other side!
> http://www.lakeerieba.com/images/fd2002005_PWS.jpg
>
>
> These two next show what was set up
> http://www.lakeerieba.com/images/fieldday_2002_BA.jpg
> http://www.lakeerieba.com/images/fieldday_2002_BA2.jpg
>
> de KA4JVY
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> --- Radio Station KW1I <kw1i@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > If you had a chance to take an image of that power supply I sure would
like
> > to see what it looks like.  I might recognize one when I am prowling
through
> > attics and garages in the future,  I have two working ART-13s.  I have a
> > dynomotor and a big 28 vdc supply and I have a homebrew AC supply that
has
> > about 550 v and 1500 v dc supplies that give me enough drive and input
power
> > to get about 150 watts out.
> >
> > Dale
> > KW1I
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Foltarz" <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter - WWII Drake Power Supply
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > I assume you are using the Drake PS for the TR series?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > Nope! As far as I can tell this power supply was one of the first
itmes
> > Drake
> > > ever produced. They made a few items during WWII and this was made I
> > believe in
> > > 1944.
> > >
> > > It sort of a squatty cube about 1 foot on side and about a foot and a
half
> > in
> > > height. It has a big fan in the top cover. There are two lamps, a
breaker
> > > doubles as a power switch and there is also power connector the same
as
> > that on
> > >  the transmitter.
> > >
> > > I have never seen another one.
> > >
> > > It was made just for the ART13. It contains the filament, LV & HV
> > supplies.
> > >
> > > When I got it the filament supply was shorted and all the
electrolytics
> > were
> > > bad.
> > >
> > > I replaced the filament transformer with a 19 VAC and full waved the
> > output
> > > into a big cap ( 50K ufd or something.) I removed the 4 mercuty arc
tubes
> > and
> > > replaced them with SS rectifiers.
> > >
> > > Finally, the electrolytics were removed and replaced with a bunch of
430
> > ufd @
> > > 250 shunted by 40K equalization resisitors.
> > >
> > >
> > > Everything else is intact. You turn on the switch and the big green
light
> > > lights up. Wait about 45 seconds and the relay used to delay the plate
for
> > the
> > > mercury tubes kicks in and the red lamp  and HV supplies come up. The
> > > transmitter is ready for service.
> > >
> > > Like I said, I have never seen another one of these power supplies. I
> > don't
> > > have the model number in hand as I am in Florida right now and the
supply
> > is in
> > > Ohio.
> > >
> > >
> > > de KA4JVY
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- w6om@cox.net wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Mark
> > > >
> > > > My instincts told me that there had to be something available out
there,
> > > > either Drake, Heath or some commerical piece.
> > > >
> > > > I assume you are using the Drake PS for the TR series?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > > > From: Mark Foltarz <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
> > > > > Date: 2005/02/23 Wed PM 08:02:06 EST
> > > > > To: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ART 13 Transmitter
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been using an ART13 with the Drake AC power supply for the
> > intended
> > > > > purpose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Give a shout here at 813-837-2324 or 440-570-1762.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or a QSO on 20m SSB
> > > > >
> > > > > de KA4JVY
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- w6om@cox.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Finally dug into all three ART 13's and ready to combine the
best of
> > two
> > > > into
> > > > > > one really nice AM transmitter and sell the third one.   Before
I
> > heat up
> > > > the
> > > > > > soldering iron, tube tester and VTVM I wonder if anyone has
> > experiance
> > > > using
> > > > > > commerical or amateur power supplies with one of these beauties
to
> > save
> > > > in
> > > > > > home brewing one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron Weaver - W6OM - FO5VO
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www.qsl.net/w6om
> > > > > >
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From rjmattson at hvi.net  Sat Feb 26 00:23:51 2005
From: rjmattson at hvi.net (RJ Mattson)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] James Knights Co., FS-344 Frequency Standard
References: <20050223193143.M61092@glowbugs.com>
Message-ID: <020201c51bc3$5c3a3b60$40b20642@Laptop>

Anyone have a schematic for a James Knights FS-344 Frequency Standard?

bob...w2ami
http://www.qrz.com/callsign/w2ami



From wa9vrh at mtco.com  Sun Feb 27 08:01:42 2005
From: wa9vrh at mtco.com (WA9VRH  Larry)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] First Wednesday CCA AM Night March 2nd! 
Message-ID: <005901c51ccc$7c17fc60$580b1aa5@kws1>

!!!  Please note NEW TIMES for the Eastern and Central Time Zones!!!
 FIRST WEDNESDAY AM NIGHT!!! Sponsored by the Collins Collectors
Association.

Wednesday March 2nd on 3880 kcs at 7:00 PM local East Coast time marks the
start of the latest chapter of First Wednesday AM Night, drawing hundreds of
vintage stations from across the country.

The event is anchored by a "tall ship" AM station in each time zone. The
East Coast and Central sections will now run for 90 minutes in response to
the tremendous participation in those time zones. The remaining time zones
will be an hour. We encourage stations to check-in on AM using Collins and
other AM transmitters, new and old.  It's an opportunity to revel in this
nostalgic mode, enjoy giving vintage equipment a "run," and sharing some
storytelling about classic vacuum tube homebrew and commercial designs.
Typically more than a hundred stations take part in the evening's
coast-to-coast AM event; by the time it concludes at 10:00 PM Local PST.

LISTEN for the following anchors and stop by to say hello, won't you? You
don't have to be running Collins or vintage gear to be welcomed into the
group.

7:00 PM-8:30 PM Local East Coast Time Anchor:  Bob W0YVA  !!! Starts 30
minutes earlier for 90 minutes

7:30 PM-9:00 PM Local Central Time Anchor:  Jim W0NKL   !!! Starts 30
minutes earlier for 90 minutes

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local Mountain Time Anchor: Jim WA0LSB

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local West Coast Time Anchor: Bill N6PY

comments please to wa9vrh@mtco.com




From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 27 13:23:58 2005
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050223191123.026a5d08@pop3.airmail.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F25403A1BA8B6244DDE135AF4670@phx.gbl>



>Anybody know where I could find a schematic for these amplifiers?
>Whats the best way to build a 1kw (capable) modulation transformer to plate 
>modulate an amp like these? Not that I'd want to. Just asking...

You would want to rewire the amp from grounded grid to grid driven, and 
convert the class of operation from class AB or B to class C.

Despite the high power ratings of these amps, the plate tuning capacitor is 
probably not rated for high enough peak voltage to accomodate positive 
modulation peaks, and the tank coil may not be able to take the 100% carrier 
duty cycle of plate modulated AM.

You would be much better off acquiring components rated for the service you 
plan to use them for,  and homebrewing your own modulator and class-C final.

I would recommend looking for a 250, 500 or 1000 watt plate modulated tube 
type AM broadcast transmitter (broadcast stations are discarding them every 
day as they convert to solid state to save on tube and power bills), and 
either converting it to cover the ham bands you plan to operate, or parting 
it out to build the homebrew plate modulated rig of your dreams.

Don K4KYV



From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 27 13:37:01 2005
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <421D6A3D.44EDE8DC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F5597B8F4634A11A708B8CF4670@phx.gbl>



>Geoff wrote:
> >
>
> > I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff boring
> > you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit
> > and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about
> > what's important to ME!"

Typical SSB appliance operator mentality.  Remember, these are the folks who 
have repeatedly petitioned the FCC to have AM outlawed from amateur radio.

Probably fires up on the exact same frequency night after night, talks to 
the same 5-6 other hams, about the same uninteresting stuff, and pitches a 
royal fit if some unsuspecting operator outside his pet group happens to 
appear on "his" frequency, even if it was not actively in use at the time.

Don k4kyv



From W4AWM at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 14:13:02 2005
From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
Message-ID: <9e.2117fdb3.2f5375be@aol.com>

 

From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Sun Feb 27 14:28:04 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F5597B8F4634A11A708B8CF4670@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F5597B8F4634A11A708B8CF4670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42221F44.8030205@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

Donald Chester wrote:

>
>
>> Geoff wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff 
>> boring
>> > you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit
>> > and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about
>> > what's important to ME!"
>
>
> Typical SSB appliance operator mentality.  Remember, these are the 
> folks who have repeatedly petitioned the FCC to have AM outlawed from 
> amateur radio.
>
> Probably fires up on the exact same frequency night after night, talks 
> to the same 5-6 other hams, about the same uninteresting stuff, and 
> pitches a royal fit if some unsuspecting operator outside his pet 
> group happens to appear on "his" frequency, even if it was not 
> actively in use at the time.


Described to a perfect "T", Don!

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR




From w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Sun Feb 27 14:28:04 2005
From: w5omr at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F5597B8F4634A11A708B8CF4670@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F5597B8F4634A11A708B8CF4670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42221F44.8030205@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

Donald Chester wrote:

>
>
>> Geoff wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff 
>> boring
>> > you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit
>> > and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about
>> > what's important to ME!"
>
>
> Typical SSB appliance operator mentality.  Remember, these are the 
> folks who have repeatedly petitioned the FCC to have AM outlawed from 
> amateur radio.
>
> Probably fires up on the exact same frequency night after night, talks 
> to the same 5-6 other hams, about the same uninteresting stuff, and 
> pitches a royal fit if some unsuspecting operator outside his pet 
> group happens to appear on "his" frequency, even if it was not 
> actively in use at the time.


Described to a perfect "T", Don!

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR




From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Sun Feb 27 20:05:11 2005
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20050228010512.27704.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok, time to make some room. 

I have a Gates 5P BC 5KW xmtr. It is all there except the P.A tube. Has
modulator tubes. Everything else is there in boxes and in the cabinets.
Literally 'tons' of good parts. 

Also have a Gates 1H no 833's or rear cover, otherwise complete. 

I will sell the mod transformer seperately from the 5P if anyone is interested.


I would like to $950 for all or good offer. 



tnx 

de KA4JVY 


		
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From crawfish at surfmore.net  Sun Feb 27 20:52:16 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Crawfish)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <BAY104-F5597B8F4634A11A708B8CF4670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001101c51d38$2288ec60$30b7da41@default>


Kind of like the no-code Tech back in 1991 or 1992 who asked another local
what that "beeping noise" was. It was the repeater's CW identifier. I swear
a lot of people on ham radio never listened to it before they got licensed,
or they would know better. Let the Scientific Step Backward boys :just
wonder what REAL amateur radio is all about. I can't seem to reach some of
them. Our society is being dumbed down about everything.

Joe W4AAB
> > >
> >
> > > I spoke up (I'm not shy!) and said "What's the matter, this stuff
boring
> > > you?"  HE said "Hell yeah!  I don't come turn my radio on to just sit
> > > and listen to all this electronic building crap!  I wanna talk about
> > > what's important to ME!"
>
> Typical SSB appliance operator mentality.  Remember, these are the folks
who
> have repeatedly petitioned the FCC to have AM outlawed from amateur radio.
>
> Probably fires up on the exact same frequency night after night, talks to
> the same 5-6 other hams, about the same uninteresting stuff, and pitches a
> royal fit if some unsuspecting operator outside his pet group happens to
> appear on "his" frequency, even if it was not actively in use at the time.
>
> Don k4kyv
>
>
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From bell at blazenet.net  Sun Feb 27 21:07:07 2005
From: bell at blazenet.net (Mark Bell)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl><D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com><5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net><20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com><BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl><5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net><421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu><421CEE24.307@comcast.net><421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu><courier.421D3BF7.000032E8@surfmore.net>
	<002d01c51a2d$270de640$befea8c0@downstairs>
Message-ID: <002f01c51d3a$34c5e3e0$12076818@bell1>

I studied for my Novice in the late spring/early summer 1973, and the 40M
frequency was 7100 to 7150.

I recall, if my memory isn't going completely, that some of the OTs back
then said I was lucky  because there were rules that just changed allowing
Novices to use VFO's;  that may have been when the 40M band was shifted.

I checked my old novice log (starting in Sept 1973), and I show all 40M
stuff from 7100 to 7150.

73 Mark K3MSB (ex WN3VJL)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Schichler" <schich@frontiernet.net>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days


> Joe - I just dug out my musty old 1973 ARRL Handbook, and on page 14 it
> shows the Novice band on 7100 to 7150.  So that narrows it down to either
> late '72 or '73 that it was changed.  Seems like it was later than that,
but
> time flies - hi hi!  It's fun to do a little amateur radio research now
and
> then.
>
> Don K2FY
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Crawford" <crawfish@surfmore.net>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: <garyschafer@comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
>
>
> > In 1972 the 40m Novice band was 7150-7200. I know because I was there.
> Refer
> > to 1970 ARRL Handbook page 14 at the left bottom of the page. Seems like
> the
> > change was made in late 1972 or a little later.
> >                               Joe W4AAB (ex-WN4AUX 1972-73)
>
>
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From crawfish at surfmore.net  Sun Feb 27 22:01:19 2005
From: crawfish at surfmore.net (Joe Crawford)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <002f01c51d3a$34c5e3e0$12076818@bell1>
References: <BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
	<D63E582D09D77648A106C164FC7C4832246733@mail1-corp.corp.paetec.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223124104.00c115a0@mail.ptd.net>
	<20050223174530.M83517@glowbugs.com>
	<BAY103-DAV110954BBE058A310D637C9C5630@phx.gbl>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20050223131142.00baa4f8@mail.ptd.net>
	<421CE3A2.6090801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <421CEE24.307@comcast.net>
	<421CF6A4.8000302@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
	<courier.421D3BF7.000032E8@surfmore.net>
	<002d01c51a2d$270de640$befea8c0@downstairs>
	<002f01c51d3a$34c5e3e0$12076818@bell1>
Message-ID: <courier.4222897F.00005357@surfmore.net>

As I said in an earlier post( also borne out by my log) the date was 
November 15th, 1972. I had to buy new crystals from Mock Electronics in 
Huntsville, AL. They had two in the 7100-7150 range for $2.00 each!!But I 
had borrowed an HW-16 and HG-10 VFO (after I found out the VF-1 was 
cathode-keyed, not grid-block keying). I could have modded it, but it didn't 
belong to me. When I let the HW-16 go back to the guy who owned it, I bought 
a Globe Scout 65A and used some old 7030-7050 crystals to triple to 15m, 
where I found lots of DX. Got my General in June, 1973. Had to wait on 
license, as call had to change from WN to WA or WB. I got a retread WA4, 
which seemed to anger some of the older guys who had later WA4's. They would 
die right now if they  knew I had the second oldest call in W4.I will always 
remember the SWL days and the Novice days
                                            Joe W4AAB 

Mark Bell writes: 

> I studied for my Novice in the late spring/early summer 1973, and the 40M
> frequency was 7100 to 7150. 
> 
> I recall, if my memory isn't going completely, that some of the OTs back
> then said I was lucky  because there were rules that just changed allowing
> Novices to use VFO's;  that may have been when the 40M band was shifted. 
> 
> I checked my old novice log (starting in Sept 1973), and I show all 40M
> stuff from 7100 to 7150. 
> 
> 73 Mark K3MSB (ex WN3VJL) 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don Schichler" <schich@frontiernet.net>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days 
> 
> 
>> Joe - I just dug out my musty old 1973 ARRL Handbook, and on page 14 it
>> shows the Novice band on 7100 to 7150.  So that narrows it down to either
>> late '72 or '73 that it was changed.  Seems like it was later than that,
> but
>> time flies - hi hi!  It's fun to do a little amateur radio research now
> and
>> then. 
>>
>> Don K2FY 
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joe Crawford" <crawfish@surfmore.net>
>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
>> Cc: <garyschafer@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days 
>>
>>
>> > In 1972 the 40m Novice band was 7150-7200. I know because I was there.
>> Refer
>> > to 1970 ARRL Handbook page 14 at the left bottom of the page. Seems like
>> the
>> > change was made in late 1972 or a little later.
>> >                               Joe W4AAB (ex-WN4AUX 1972-73) 
>>
>>
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From jcandela at prodigy.net  Mon Feb 28 07:12:35 2005
From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim candela)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Insulin Pump RFI?
In-Reply-To: <005901c51ccc$7c17fc60$580b1aa5@kws1>
Message-ID: <NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLKEEEDOAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>


I asked my brother, a diabetic, about radio interference to his insulin
pump. He is a lawyer, and I hoped to get a legal answer to a hypothetical
case where he went into insulin shock as a result of my being on the air
waves:


Question:

 John,

   A hypothetical case. Your my neighbor with a
 insulin pump, and I am a federally licensed ham radio
 operator. I am transmitting within the law on a
 licensed frequency, running legal power, etc. Your
 pump is susceptible to strong radio waves... One day I
 am talking on the air, and while talking, a ambulance
 takes you away. Seems your in insulin shock due to a
 pump malfunction. Where is the law on this issue?

 Jim




Answer:

Jim,

You are a mad man.  Actually, from looking at the manual of this thing the
more likely problem is from the pump interfering with other devices using
radio frequencies.  The RFs on the pump are used to transmit readings from a
glucose test meter to the pump.  The book says that interference will not
affect the actual pump operation.  As to your question the manual says that
the pump must comply with Part 15 of the FCC rules and it must accept any
interference received.  That aside, if I survive in your scenario, look out!

John



Side note: If his insulin pump was creating interference, and causing me
trouble receiving the Collins net this Wednesday, would it be appropriate to
ask my brother to turn that darn thing off? :-)
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From jim.isbell at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 09:15:56 2005
From: jim.isbell at gmail.com (Jim Isbell, W5JAI)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Insulin Pump RFI?
In-Reply-To: <NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLKEEEDOAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>
References: <005901c51ccc$7c17fc60$580b1aa5@kws1>
	<NHBBLOLJILJMABPBLLFLKEEEDOAA.jcandela@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <b0295dbe050228061528088cbb@mail.gmail.com>

The whole thing is a moot point.

First, dont you think that if the pump was subject to interferance
that there would have been an ambulance sued by now?  The ambulance
uses RF to communicate with the hospital and his transmitter is
closer.

The signs that your cell phone might cause trouble in a hospital are
all BS.  The ambulance in the driveway has a much stronger signal. 
The antenna on the hospital roof has a stronger signal.

Its all a red herring to try to cut down on cell phones ringing in
doctors offices.


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:12:35 -0600, Jim candela <jcandela@prodigy.net> wrote:
> 
> I asked my brother, a diabetic, about radio interference to his insulin
> pump. He is a lawyer, and I hoped to get a legal answer to a hypothetical
> case where he went into insulin shock as a result of my being on the air
> waves:
> 
> Question:
> 
>  John,
> 
>    A hypothetical case. Your my neighbor with a
>  insulin pump, and I am a federally licensed ham radio
>  operator. I am transmitting within the law on a
>  licensed frequency, running legal power, etc. Your
>  pump is susceptible to strong radio waves... One day I
>  am talking on the air, and while talking, a ambulance
>  takes you away. Seems your in insulin shock due to a
>  pump malfunction. Where is the law on this issue?
> 
>  Jim
> 
> Answer:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> You are a mad man.  Actually, from looking at the manual of this thing the
> more likely problem is from the pump interfering with other devices using
> radio frequencies.  The RFs on the pump are used to transmit readings from a
> glucose test meter to the pump.  The book says that interference will not
> affect the actual pump operation.  As to your question the manual says that
> the pump must comply with Part 15 of the FCC rules and it must accept any
> interference received.  That aside, if I survive in your scenario, look out!
> 
> John
> 
> Side note: If his insulin pump was creating interference, and causing me
> trouble receiving the Collins net this Wednesday, would it be appropriate to
> ask my brother to turn that darn thing off? :-)
> --
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Mon Feb 28 10:46:34 2005
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: 25Mhz Elenco Scope, Speed-X Bug
Message-ID: <20050228154750.22091.qmail@mellon.com>

For Sale

Elenco S-1325 25Mhz oscilloscope. This is a modern, solid-sate dual-trace 'scope in a typical, flat format with square screen and all the usual modern features. Used, but in excellent original condition. Looks almost like new. Relatively light and portable, with handle that also serves as a tilt-stand. Includes original manual and one probe. The probe is switchable 1X/10X with a grip tip and grounding lead. $85

Speed-X bug in nice original condition. Good paint and good chrome. $80

Thanks for looking.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT
 
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From ka1kaq at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 11:38:55 2005
From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ)
Date: Sun May 13 13:27:16 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Old Novice Days
In-Reply-To: <001101c51d38$2288ec60$30b7da41@default>
References: <BAY104-F5597B8F4634A11A708B8CF4670@phx.gbl>
	<001101c51d38$2288ec60$30b7da41@default>
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:52:16 -0600, Crawfish <crawfish@surfmore.net> wrote:
> 
> Kind of like the no-code Tech back in 1991 or 1992 who asked another local
> what that "beeping noise" was. It was the repeater's CW identifier. I swear
> a lot of people on ham radio never listened to it before they got licensed,
> or they would know better. Let the Scientific Step Backward boys :just
> wonder what REAL amateur radio is all about. I can't seem to reach some of
> them. Our society is being dumbed down about everything.

Oh man, some of those techs have made it to Extra. A OT buddy of mine,
KC1BT (old BC engineer from way back when) gets to program the new
radios for several of the Extras in his club (another reason to avoid
clubs) because they don't understand what the manuals mean. One night
while I was visiting he spent the better part of a half hour
explaining to one of them over the phone how to make a half-wave
dipole. The formula was 'too confusing'.

Then there was the guy helping out at the marathon foot race who, when
told they were going to use a 2 meter simplex frequency,
asked..."what's simplex?". Yes, he is also an Extra!

I got stuck at Advanced years ago, never got around to upgrading. Some
days I'm not so sure I want to....!

My funny novice story has to do with my first CW contact. I'm a newbie
compared to most, licensed in March of 1983. Shortly thereafter I
spoke with a VE3 station for what I thought was 20 minutes or so, all
shakey and nervous and using the 'dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-dit-' error
signal many a time. My YL of the day was downstairs talking with my
mom (she apparently got bored). Later she asked me if I knew how long
I had spent on the contact. I said 'sure, about 20 minutes'. She
rolled her eyes and said 'try 2 HOURS'.

*shrug* It was still fun. A used ricebox 101EE piped to a 40 meter
antenna I made myself, keyed with el-cheapo imitation brass Ratshack
key screwed to a couple of wooden slats taped with duct tape to a
heavy piece of truck leaf spring steel found in the road in front of
my house. I still have the key and antenna.

DX(sortakinda?) on my first try! 

de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ

