From w5ami at tcworks.net  Tue Oct  1 05:51:55 2002
From: w5ami at tcworks.net (B. Morgan Sherrod)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Change of email address
References: <165.144b0e3f.2aca21de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c26930$30563d20$6601a8c0@w5ami>

----- Original Message -----
From: <W9chp@aol.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:53 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Change of email address


> I need to change my email address for this refelector. Is this the right
> place? If not, how do I accomplish this?
>
> Tom


Go to http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio, scroll to the bottom
of the page and enter your old email address (the one you are currently
subscribed with) beside the button the says "Edit Options" and press the
button.  This will take you into your personal control panel where you can
change various things.  In order to CHANGE your email address, you will have
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the list, then SUBSCRIBE using your NEW email address.
Only way to do it that I know of.

I am posting this to the list, as I have emails about this very subject from
the members quite often.

Thanks.

Brian S.
W5AMI


From wb3ctc at juno.com  Wed Oct  2 14:16:15 2002
From: wb3ctc at juno.com (michael m oxenreider)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ARRL Atlantic Div. Director Candidates
Message-ID: <20021002.141704.-4181613.0.wb3ctc@juno.com>

Hi All.
  Just got a ballot for Atlantic Division ARRL Director.
Running are Bernie Fuller N3EFN and Anthony Gargano N2SS.
Anyone know anything about how they stand on AM?
Thanks and 73
Mike WB3CTC

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From garyschafer at attbi.com  Wed Oct  2 18:38:32 2002
From: garyschafer at attbi.com (Gary Schafer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
References: <000001c26831$fc5a2e90$6401a8c0@new1>
Message-ID: <3D9B7566.76AC94DE@attbi.com>

Nice write up John!

Hmm, AM with reverse carrier control. Sounds interesting. That would look
something like an FM signal but with only one set of side bands.

Actually I have worked on some marine radios in the 70's that did do some
reverse carrier control. They were SSB radios with AM capability. You
could set the AM carrier level just about any level and when you modulated
it would adjust the carrier down to the proper level. It was hard to make
the radio sound bad on AM.

I don't remember how the ALC was detected for the AM mode or exactly how
the carrier level was controlled.

I don't know if it would gain much but it would eliminate a little band
noise when there was no modulation.

ASYMMETRICAL  AUDIO

The fact that most of our voices are not symmetrical can be an advantage
or disadvantage when modulating a radio. If the positive peaks are higher
than the negative peaks then you will not over modulate in the negative
direction while having positive peaks that exceed 100%.

However if you are trying to run the legal limit power then it can be a
disadvantage. Your average modulation level must be held low in order that
the positive peaks do not cause you to exceed the power limit. Flopping
the envelope over so that the negative peaks are higher than the positive
doesn't help either. In that case you will over modulate before your
average modulation level gets very high.

The solution may be to make the modulation "more symmetrical". There are
circuits consisting of several "all pass" filters that are supposed to do
that. By having more symmetrical audio to modulate the transmitter with
you will be able to obtain higher average levels of modulation without
exceeding the power limit and not over modulating in the negative
direction. It can also greatly reduce the need for large headroom in the
modulator.

Now add a little peak clipping and compression to the audio! You can
increase the average audio even more while still keeping within the power
limit and not over modulating in the negative direction. The broadcasters
do it every day and most sound great. Of course it can't be overdone or it
will not sound great anymore.

Average power is what does the work in the audio. Those high sharp peaks
are all but wasted. They add little to the sound of the signal. Especially
on a crowded band. It is those high peaks that keep you from attaining the
high average power that does most of the work.

In RADAR there is a very high peak power to average power ratio. The
reason being is that a certain pulse width and is needed to get the
resolution. With a given pulse width the only way to increase the average
power is to increase the peak power. Keeping the peak power the same and
increasing the pulse width raises the average power which increases the
range of the radar. But as the pulse width is increased the resolution
gets poorer. (ability to distinguish between two targets)
The point here is that it is average power that is important.

73
Gary  K4FMX




"John E. Coleman" wrote:

> I've be working on a document that might be of interest to many folks.
> With the help of K4KVY, WA3WDR, W5TOB and a month or two of night work
> I've come up with something good I hope.  Anyway here it is.
>
> http://www.qsl.net/wa5bxo/asyam/aam3.html
>
> I hope it is of some use to someone and encourages experimentation.
>
> John, WA5BXO
>
>
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From colemanj at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  2 20:40:37 2002
From: colemanj at sbcglobal.net (John E. Coleman)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
In-Reply-To: <3D9B7566.76AC94DE@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <000001c26a75$810a02b0$6401a8c0@new1>

Hi Gary:

	The reverse carrier control is Bacon's idea but it is feasible.
It seems to me that most modern radios using low level modulation and
linear amplifier output have a ALC circuit built in and will reduce the
carrier level automatically if the peaks go to high or if the carrier is
set to high and not leaving enough head room for the modulation peaks.
I'm really not sure but I think this accomplishes the reverse carrier
control scenario?  
	
	Yes there is always a way to increase the average power.
However, I think that the upside down modulation where the sharp peaks
go toward envelope cutoff and the nice round troughs go to expand the
envelope to the 1500 PEP limit may be a quick way to get the quiescent
carrier level up in the 500 to 600 watt output level and may be more to
the liking of folks that have the extra power available but want to stay
legal.  All they need to do is turn the audio over by reversing the
microphone or the modulator plate caps and then raise the carrier up
nearer where it used to be run.  Juggle the carrier level by plate
voltage variance or by loading and then the audio level so that the 1500
PEP is right but enough carrier level to not pinch off the envelope with
those peaks.  I realize in either case it is the same amount of average
power in the sidebands but most are still not using a product detector
or a synchronized product detector.  I'm betting the envelope detector
is going to have less receiver generated distortion products that would
be due to QSB and selective QSB, than with the conventional "peaks high,
decreased carrier" modulation method. This is of course holding the
ceiling at 1500 PEP in both cases and no compression or clipping. I
wonder if those nasty noise limiters might be a little less annoying.

Interesting discussion don't you think!   

Thanks fer the mail Gary!
73, John, WA5BXO

-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:39 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.

Nice write up John!

Hmm, AM with reverse carrier control. Sounds interesting. That would
look
something like an FM signal but with only one set of side bands.

Actually I have worked on some marine radios in the 70's that did do
some
reverse carrier control. They were SSB radios with AM capability. You
could set the AM carrier level just about any level and when you
modulated
it would adjust the carrier down to the proper level. It was hard to
make
the radio sound bad on AM.

I don't remember how the ALC was detected for the AM mode or exactly how
the carrier level was controlled.

I don't know if it would gain much but it would eliminate a little band
noise when there was no modulation.

ASYMMETRICAL  AUDIO

The fact that most of our voices are not symmetrical can be an advantage
or disadvantage when modulating a radio. If the positive peaks are
higher
than the negative peaks then you will not over modulate in the negative
direction while having positive peaks that exceed 100%.

However if you are trying to run the legal limit power then it can be a
disadvantage. Your average modulation level must be held low in order
that
the positive peaks do not cause you to exceed the power limit. Flopping
the envelope over so that the negative peaks are higher than the
positive
doesn't help either. In that case you will over modulate before your
average modulation level gets very high.

The solution may be to make the modulation "more symmetrical". There are
circuits consisting of several "all pass" filters that are supposed to
do
that. By having more symmetrical audio to modulate the transmitter with
you will be able to obtain higher average levels of modulation without
exceeding the power limit and not over modulating in the negative
direction. It can also greatly reduce the need for large headroom in the
modulator.

Now add a little peak clipping and compression to the audio! You can
increase the average audio even more while still keeping within the
power
limit and not over modulating in the negative direction. The
broadcasters
do it every day and most sound great. Of course it can't be overdone or
it
will not sound great anymore.

Average power is what does the work in the audio. Those high sharp peaks
are all but wasted. They add little to the sound of the signal.
Especially
on a crowded band. It is those high peaks that keep you from attaining
the
high average power that does most of the work.

In RADAR there is a very high peak power to average power ratio. The
reason being is that a certain pulse width and is needed to get the
resolution. With a given pulse width the only way to increase the
average
power is to increase the peak power. Keeping the peak power the same and
increasing the pulse width raises the average power which increases the
range of the radar. But as the pulse width is increased the resolution
gets poorer. (ability to distinguish between two targets)
The point here is that it is average power that is important.

73
Gary  K4FMX






From bcarling at cfl.rr.com  Wed Oct  2 21:10:04 2002
From: bcarling at cfl.rr.com (Brian Carling)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
In-Reply-To: <000001c268f6$a57ad7d0$6401a8c0@new1>
References: <000901c2687d$1e046380$7314a8c0@comtech.comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <3D9B60AC.11259.44DEC8@localhost>

Great web page.

I can't say that I agree with all of the remarks about controlled carrier modulation.

I used to own a T-60 and it did great. A good old DX-60 sound great sometimes. 
Same way - very little idling carrier power, but tons of modulation power.

Those little rigs make 30 watts of AM sound like 100 watts. OK they may not have 
a BAND-BLANKING carrier like some of the 300-400
watt plate mod rigs out there, but when adjusted properly they 
can be very intelligible on the air and if you use a D-104 or such 
on them, often give very pleasant sounding audio, in my estimation.

Just some food for thought. I wouldn't mind having a T-60 or DX-60B
with a digital VFO and drive one of my Thuderbolts with it in AM linear mode.

Bet I'd be heard better than with a 30 watt plate mod rig all by itself (grin!)

On 30 Sep 2002 at 22:00, John E. Coleman wrote:

> Hi George:
>  You have obviously done you homework.  And I agree that in the
> majority of cases 1-2 dbs won't make a lot of difference.  The main
> reason for the article is that there is a ceiling, and how we might
> make the most of it.  The ceiling could be a linear amplifier with a
> 800 watt ceiling.  The same circumstances would apply if that is what
> a man has to work with.  The legal ceiling is different than it was,
> not just because of the problem of power reduction but in the fact
> that it is a hard ceiling not soft as it was in the old days.  One KW
> DC input limit could easily be a rectangular wave modulated micro wave
> with a PEP of 10KW and still be legal.
> 
>  All I'm saying is that with a ceiling, either legal or
> equipment, that there may be better ways to operate with less
> distortion and bandwidth while improving the level of reception at the
> same time.
> 
>  I must admit that it was the legal limit that prompted me to
> write the article since it's a little bit of a cramp in my style to be
> forced to turn the variac down to 220 watts input to the final for a
> carrier output of 165 watts.  Because my voice is so asymmetrical I
> must reduce the carrier to this low level in order to stay with in the
> 1500 watt PEP limit.  So the next time I get on 75 mtrs I'll have a
> switch that will flip the microphone phase and increase the voltage on
> the final at the same time.  Then I'll get reports on this for about a
> month and see what every one says.  I'll try to keep good records and
> post the results.
> 
>  It's all in the fun of experimentation as for as I'm concerned.
> Heck,  I've seen a 4-6 DB gain just by putting 20 dollars into some
> material to get the antenna up a little higher and that leads me to a
> subject that is very interesting to all I'm sure.  I'll always use
> open wire feeds if it is at all possible.
> 
> Good luck,
> John, WA5BXO         
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George Pritchard
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:30 AM To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
> 
> Would anyone consider using the transmission line loss of 1dB as the
> "output power of the transmitter" into the antenna? That would mean
> 475 watts carrier for symmetrical sinewave instead of the "understood"
> 375 limit. Just more fuel for the fire. Just have a power sensor at
> the antenna input terminal. Claim it's the final output of the
> station. Consider this: 1KW DC input. Transmitter is 70% eff at TEN
> METERS. 700 Watts out into the 1dB transmission line. That gets power
> down to 550 Watts carrier into the antenna which is .87 dB over the
> "spec" if considering symmetrical modulation. If one were to drop the
> audio gain by .87 dB, the station is in compliance with the 1500 Watts
> at the ANTENNA input terminal. Its all "fly doodoo" in the ocean as
> far as I'm concerned. I the end... most people see the potential 3000
> Watts PEP (750 watts X4)old limit versus the 1500 Watt new limit as
> the 3 dB cut in power. Maybe, but it is only 1/2 S-unit using the
> worst case math loss. I include my PATH loss in the math loss to
> justify using my homebrew rig. Actually, the new rules give the SSB
> operators at least 300 watt more PEP. 2000 X 60% class B = 1200 watts
> old rules. My opinion is that there was no intention to reduce power,
> since it really didn't for the MAJORITY of the hams. Only a
> "convenient global" power measurement method was needed. The AMers
> (myself include) brought attention to the  AM power issue). Maybe it
> was (and is) un-necessary. Lets not forget that the "DC input rule"
> change was also for SSB guys as well. Since the SSB manufacturers were
> not burdened to include both Plate voltage and Plate current on their
> linears (or rigs), The FCC did not want to dig into the final's
> circuitry to make the frivolous and dangerous measurement. These are
> the words (paraphrased) by Steven mendohlson, director of the Hudson
> division during those power struggle days. I think you are all loosing
> to much sleep over this... Just forget about it, use your rigs in a
> polite manner, operate and be happy. Nobody cares about a few dB
> anyway. 10 dB! yes of course. 1 to 3dB? be real. Most meters are 1dB
> best accuracy anyway. George AB2KC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of John E. Coleman
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:32 PM To: AMRadio Subject:
> [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
> 
> 
> I've be working on a document that might be of interest to many folks.
> With the help of K4KVY, WA3WDR, W5TOB and a month or two of night work
> I've come up with something good I hope.  Anyway here it is.
> 
> http://www.qsl.net/wa5bxo/asyam/aam3.html
> 
> I hope it is of some use to someone and encourages experimentation.
> 
> John, WA5BXO
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From colemanj at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  2 22:15:53 2002
From: colemanj at sbcglobal.net (John E. Coleman)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
In-Reply-To: <3D9B60AC.11259.44DEC8@localhost>
Message-ID: <000001c26a82$d07a8ba0$6401a8c0@new1>

Thanks Brian:
	When I think back about the T-60s, DX40s and DX60s, as I
remember, a friend had recently acquired a new Ranger that had the 6146
running the same voltage but with plate modulation.  That's what really
changed my mind.  When I built the external modulator, which by the way
was a pair of 1625s, to plate modulate the T-60 which had a 6DQ6 final,
I then had the equivalent to the Ranger (I already had a home brewed
VFO).  There was no comparison to the way it was.

	There was a lot of difference in the price of a T-60 verses a
Ranger.  So for the money it was a great rig and I understand it would
operate on 6 meters, although I never did.

Tnx fer the comments:
John, WA5BXO

-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Carling
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:10 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.

Great web page.

I can't say that I agree with all of the remarks about controlled
carrier modulation.

I used to own a T-60 and it did great. A good old DX-60 sound great
sometimes. 
Same way - very little idling carrier power, but tons of modulation
power.

Those little rigs make 30 watts of AM sound like 100 watts. OK they may
not have 
a BAND-BLANKING carrier like some of the 300-400
watt plate mod rigs out there, but when adjusted properly they 
can be very intelligible on the air and if you use a D-104 or such 
on them, often give very pleasant sounding audio, in my estimation.

Just some food for thought. I wouldn't mind having a T-60 or DX-60B
with a digital VFO and drive one of my Thuderbolts with it in AM linear
mode.

Bet I'd be heard better than with a 30 watt plate mod rig all by itself
(grin!)





From wb3fau at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  3 00:59:25 2002
From: wb3fau at hotmail.com (russ dworakowski)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] ARRL Atlantic Div. Director Candidates
Message-ID: <F85yFacxBpzpCtW1aIa0000b2a4@hotmail.com>

Never heard of them- probably do not know what AM is.


>From: michael m oxenreider <wb3ctc@juno.com>
>Reply-To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
>To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [AMRadio] ARRL Atlantic Div. Director Candidates
>Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:16:15 -0400
>
>Hi All.
>   Just got a ballot for Atlantic Division ARRL Director.
>Running are Bernie Fuller N3EFN and Anthony Gargano N2SS.
>Anyone know anything about how they stand on AM?
>Thanks and 73
>Mike WB3CTC
>
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From wb3fau at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  3 11:06:17 2002
From: wb3fau at hotmail.com (russ dworakowski)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
Message-ID: <F75wL5wr1iSvrO6gjd10000bf49@hotmail.com>

Hey Guys-  just in passing,  I want to tell you,  I am running a Johnson
Adventurer and plate modulating it with an Eico 730 modulator.  [pair of 
EL34s  to a single 807.  It does about 20 watts out.  But  with all
that available audio,  I get real good reports all the time.  QSB is the 
only problem.  Russ.


>From: "John E. Coleman" <colemanj@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
>To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: RE: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
>Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:15:53 -0500
>
>Thanks Brian:
>	When I think back about the T-60s, DX40s and DX60s, as I
>remember, a friend had recently acquired a new Ranger that had the 6146
>running the same voltage but with plate modulation.  That's what really
>changed my mind.  When I built the external modulator, which by the way
>was a pair of 1625s, to plate modulate the T-60 which had a 6DQ6 final,
>I then had the equivalent to the Ranger (I already had a home brewed
>VFO).  There was no comparison to the way it was.
>
>	There was a lot of difference in the price of a T-60 verses a
>Ranger.  So for the money it was a great rig and I understand it would
>operate on 6 meters, although I never did.
>
>Tnx fer the comments:
>John, WA5BXO
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Carling
>Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:10 PM
>To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
>
>Great web page.
>
>I can't say that I agree with all of the remarks about controlled
>carrier modulation.
>
>I used to own a T-60 and it did great. A good old DX-60 sound great
>sometimes.
>Same way - very little idling carrier power, but tons of modulation
>power.
>
>Those little rigs make 30 watts of AM sound like 100 watts. OK they may
>not have
>a BAND-BLANKING carrier like some of the 300-400
>watt plate mod rigs out there, but when adjusted properly they
>can be very intelligible on the air and if you use a D-104 or such
>on them, often give very pleasant sounding audio, in my estimation.
>
>Just some food for thought. I wouldn't mind having a T-60 or DX-60B
>with a digital VFO and drive one of my Thuderbolts with it in AM linear
>mode.
>
>Bet I'd be heard better than with a 30 watt plate mod rig all by itself
>(grin!)
>
>
>
>
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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  3 12:31:39 2002
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
Message-ID: <F79mTCsKvtVmDAOPKjy0000b48d@hotmail.com>

And I agree that in the
> > majority of cases 1-2 dbs won't make a lot of difference.  The main
> > reason for the article is that there is a ceiling, and how we might
> > make the most of it.

One KW
> > DC input limit could easily be a rectangular wave modulated micro wave
> > with a PEP of 10KW and still be legal.

that's one example of ham experimentation the FCC killed with their pep BS: 
amateur radar

 >
> >  All I'm saying is that with a ceiling, either legal or
> > equipment, that there may be better ways to operate with less
> > distortion and bandwidth while improving the level of reception at the
> > same time.
> >
> >  I must admit that it was the legal limit that prompted me to
> > write the article since it's a little bit of a cramp in my style to be
> > forced to turn the variac down to 220 watts input to the final for a
> > carrier output of 165 watts.  Because my voice is so asymmetrical I
> > must reduce the carrier to this low level in order to stay with in the
> > 1500 watt PEP limit.

The great thing about the article is that it debunks the 375w carrier myth.  
  From  what I hear guys talking about  over t he air, you would think there 
is something in Part 97 saying the power limit is 375 watts of carrier 
output.  There is no mention of this in the regs.  I'm sure the majority of 
todays hams would not even understand the concept of why you could be 
running "illegal" power with  only 375w output.  They would simply  th ink  
the magic number 375, case closed.  For the same reason, you could run 800 w 
output and still be "legal".

I suspect it would be very difficult to measure peak power anywhere but at 
the output of a transmitter.  I have never seen a peak-reading field 
strength meter.  The ones I have seen measure average field strength (rf 
voltage).  That's why the meter stands still when  measuring AM signal 
strength (assuming you are not running controlled carrier), but the power 
output meter kicks upwards.

With SSB, the FCC inspector would have  to first measure what field field 
strength the transmitter hit on voice peaks,  then measure the output power 
that generated that field strength.  Whatever the pep happened to go up to, 
would determine the legality of the signal.  It is clearly possible that the 
same transmitter, with the plate meter kicking up  to the same readings on 
voice peaks, would be perfectly legal with one indivihial speaking, but 
"illeagal" when another operator took over the mic, hitting the same REAL 
output power levels on voice peaks.

In another technicality,  the FCC says the output power readings are to be 
taken at the "output terminals" of the transmitter.  That means, with a 
type-accepted, commerically built amplifier, you cannot take into account 
feedline losses. But with a homebrew  transmitter, I can  locate the tank 
circuit and its output terminals wherever I well please, even at the far end 
of a 300 ft. coax line running from the main unit out to the tower, with the 
last stage of the tank  circuit (translate: antenna tuner) in a box just 
under the antenna wire itself.

Don K4KYV

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From bcarling at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct  3 12:41:10 2002
From: bcarling at cfl.rr.com (Brian Carling)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
In-Reply-To: <3D9B7566.76AC94DE@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <3D9C3AE6.10345.162F54F@localhost>

On 2 Oct 2002 at 18:38, Gary Schafer wrote:

>  Flopping
> the envelope over so that the negative peaks are higher than the
> positive
> doesn't help either. In that case you will over modulate before your
> average modulation level gets very high.

Only happens if something causes the signal to square off and flat-top. You can 
have  "over modulation" perfectly legaly.
It is called "double-sideband-reduced carrier."



From merz.ds at mellon.com  Thu Oct  3 12:57:28 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Atlantic Division Director
Message-ID: <20021003165555.16405.qmail@mellon.com>

This question of the AM stance of these 2 candidates piqued my interest. But I can't find valid e-mail addresses for them. EFN has an inactive Juno account and the only address I can come up with for N2SS is on pipeline.com and they can't find him.

Is anyone good at locating a person's e-mail address?
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


FULLER, BERNARD E, N3EFN (General)
17668 PRICE RD
SAEGERTOWN, PA 16433


GARGANO, ANTHONY R, N2SS (Extra)
26 WINCHESTER DR
SEWELL, NJ 08080



Hi. My name is Don Merz, N3RHT. I am a member of the ARRL Atlantic Division. I recently received the ballot for Director and wanted to contact you about an issue dear to my heart.

Specifically, what is your stance on the use of AM on the ham bands? Do you ever use AM yourself? Do you collect any ham radio history? Are you involved with any museums or preservation groups?

Please give me your perspective on this so that I can cast my vote appropriately. Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


From w5jo at alluretech.net  Thu Oct  3 14:36:32 2002
From: w5jo at alluretech.net (Tommye & Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Atlantic Division Director
References: <20021003165555.16405.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c26b0b$cc1c1540$7b8e7d41@Wilhite>

Don:

Don't know if it is any good or not but QRZ shows Anthony's email as
n2ss@n2ss.com  and Bernard's as an ARRL address n3efn@arrl.org .  These may
have changed and not updated.

Anthony's website is active and he has his pitch for director there.  Good
luck.

Givem Hell.

73  Jim
de W5JO




Subject: [AMRadio] Atlantic Division Director


This question of the AM stance of these 2 candidates piqued my interest. But
I can't find valid e-mail addresses for them. EFN has an inactive Juno
account and the only address I can come up with for N2SS is on pipeline.com
and they can't find him.

Is anyone good at locating a person's e-mail address?
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


FULLER, BERNARD E, N3EFN (General)
17668 PRICE RD
SAEGERTOWN, PA 16433


GARGANO, ANTHONY R, N2SS (Extra)
26 WINCHESTER DR
SEWELL, NJ 08080



Hi. My name is Don Merz, N3RHT. I am a member of the ARRL Atlantic Division.
I recently received the ballot for Director and wanted to contact you about
an issue dear to my heart.

Specifically, what is your stance on the use of AM on the ham bands? Do you
ever use AM yourself? Do you collect any ham radio history? Are you involved
with any museums or preservation groups?

Please give me your perspective on this so that I can cast my vote
appropriately. Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT




From merz.ds at mellon.com  Thu Oct  3 16:57:21 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FW: AM Mode: Bernie Fuller's Reply
Message-ID: <20021003205559.15679.qmail@mellon.com>

Well, I e-mailed N3EFN and got back a prompt reply.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


-----Original Message-----
From: Bernard E. Fuller [mailto:bfuller@gremlan.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:53 PM
To: Merz Donald S
Subject: RE: AM Mode


Don -
   I am a member of AM International.  I believe in the mode and its place
in Amateur Radio.  Sitting here in my shack I can see several pieces of
"good stuff" glowing.  I taught the BC-610 while an instructor at the Army
Signal School. I think I am reasonably familiar with AM operations.

73, Bernie-N3EFN

-----Original Message-----
From: Merz Donald S [mailto:merz.ds@mellon.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:28 PM
To: n3efn@arrl.org
Subject: AM Mode


Hi. My name is Don Merz, N3RHT. I am a member of the ARRL Atlantic Division.
I recently received the ballot for Director and wanted to contact you about
an issue dear to my heart.

Specifically, what is your stance on the use of AM on the ham bands? Do you
ever use AM yourself? Do you collect any ham radio history? Are you involved
with any museums or preservation groups?

Please give me your perspective on this so that I can cast my vote
appropriately. Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT



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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Thu Oct  3 17:03:26 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Atlantic Division Director
Message-ID: <20021003210157.4590.qmail@mellon.com>

Thanks. I got these and e-mailed them both.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


-----Original Message-----
From: Tommye & Jim Wilhite [mailto:w5jo@alluretech.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:37 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Atlantic Division Director


Don:

Don't know if it is any good or not but QRZ shows Anthony's email as
n2ss@n2ss.com  and Bernard's as an ARRL address n3efn@arrl.org .  These may
have changed and not updated.

Anthony's website is active and he has his pitch for director there.  Good
luck.

Givem Hell.

73  Jim
de W5JO




Subject: [AMRadio] Atlantic Division Director


This question of the AM stance of these 2 candidates piqued my interest. But
I can't find valid e-mail addresses for them. EFN has an inactive Juno
account and the only address I can come up with for N2SS is on pipeline.com
and they can't find him.

Is anyone good at locating a person's e-mail address?
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


FULLER, BERNARD E, N3EFN (General)
17668 PRICE RD
SAEGERTOWN, PA 16433


GARGANO, ANTHONY R, N2SS (Extra)
26 WINCHESTER DR
SEWELL, NJ 08080



Hi. My name is Don Merz, N3RHT. I am a member of the ARRL Atlantic Division.
I recently received the ballot for Director and wanted to contact you about
an issue dear to my heart.

Specifically, what is your stance on the use of AM on the ham bands? Do you
ever use AM yourself? Do you collect any ham radio history? Are you involved
with any museums or preservation groups?

Please give me your perspective on this so that I can cast my vote
appropriately. Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT



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From bcarling at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct  3 19:23:45 2002
From: bcarling at cfl.rr.com (Brian Carling)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FW: AM Mode: Bernie Fuller's Reply
In-Reply-To: <20021003205559.15679.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <3D9C9941.30440.C5BFBA@localhost>

This guy gets MY vote!

On 3 Oct 2002 at 16:57, Merz Donald S wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernard E. Fuller [mailto:bfuller@gremlan.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:53 PM
> To: Merz Donald S
> Subject: RE: AM Mode
> 
> 
> Don -
>    I am a member of AM International.  I believe in the mode and its
> place in Amateur Radio.  Sitting here in my shack I can see several
> pieces of "good stuff" glowing.  I taught the BC-610 while an
> instructor at the Army Signal School. I think I am reasonably familiar
> with AM operations.
> 
> 73, Bernie-N3EFN



From bcarling at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct  3 19:23:45 2002
From: bcarling at cfl.rr.com (Brian Carling)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Atlantic Division Director
In-Reply-To: <20021003165555.16405.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <3D9C9941.17521.C5BEB8@localhost>

Don, just use these:
N3EFN@arrl.net
N2SS@arrl.net

Betcha get them that way!

On 3 Oct 2002 at 12:57, Merz Donald S wrote:

> This question of the AM stance of these 2 candidates piqued my
> interest. But I can't find valid e-mail addresses for them. EFN has an
> inactive Juno account and the only address I can come up with for N2SS
> is on pipeline.com and they can't find him.
> 
> Is anyone good at locating a person's e-mail address?
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> 
> 
> FULLER, BERNARD E, N3EFN (General)
> 17668 PRICE RD
> SAEGERTOWN, PA 16433
> 
> 
> GARGANO, ANTHONY R, N2SS (Extra)
> 26 WINCHESTER DR
> SEWELL, NJ 08080
> 
> 
> 
> Hi. My name is Don Merz, N3RHT. I am a member of the ARRL Atlantic
> Division. I recently received the ballot for Director and wanted to
> contact you about an issue dear to my heart.
> 
> Specifically, what is your stance on the use of AM on the ham bands?
> Do you ever use AM yourself? Do you collect any ham radio history? Are
> you involved with any museums or preservation groups?
> 
> Please give me your perspective on this so that I can cast my vote
> appropriately. Thanks. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> 
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From garyschafer at attbi.com  Thu Oct  3 20:13:42 2002
From: garyschafer at attbi.com (Gary Schafer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] [Fwd: [Boatanchors] Johnson Ranger]
Message-ID: <3D9CDD36.A3C4CDA2@attbi.com>

Saw this on another reflector.

73
Gary  K4FMX


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Boatanchors] Johnson Ranger
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:55:59 -0400
From: "Roland Hundley" <hundley1@localnet.com>
To: Boatanchors@mailman.qth.net

I have for sale, a Johnson Viking RANGER,  I am getting out of AM..I
want
$200, that is a firm price..I will not ship, but will drive up to a 100
miles to meet someone..I am located in the Finger lakes of NY..

Please contact me by my e-mail address or phone call..

585-526-6589	

73' s 
Roland    N2BIJ    hundley1@localnet.com


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From colemanj at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  3 22:26:17 2002
From: colemanj at sbcglobal.net (John E. Coleman)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] New link to Info on AM and legal power limits.
In-Reply-To: <3D9C3AE6.10345.162F54F@localhost>
Message-ID: <000201c26b4d$6e67deb0$6401a8c0@new1>

	I'm answering the following not to be correcting you Brian, but
instead to make sure we don't mislead some the new comers that might be
"reading the mail".  (To coin a phrase that's really true here on email,
HIH)  

	We must be careful about taking things out of context.  Gee, I
hope I can write this properly or it will be the pot calling the kettle
black. (There is another old coined phrase. I hope I don't get in
trouble with using it here.) Anyway here goes!
*************************

	Gary's statement is true if we are talking about a high level
plate modulated class C rig.  If you or hitting near 100 percent
modulation with the voice type narrow peaks going up and the round
troughs are just at the envelope pinch off, and then just flip a switch
to invert the modulation you will certainly pinch the envelope with
those narrow peaks far before the round side of the audio wave hits
anywhere near the 100 percent positive level of 2 X carrier voltage.  In
order to have the same audio level injected from the modulator with out
pinching the envelope you would need to increase the carrier level.
This could be done by increasing the plate voltage on the class C final
if it has a separate power supply than the modulator or by increasing
the load to draw more current.  The voltage increase is the more
desirable way because the final would not change in resistance load to
the modulator and the final should maintain its same plate efficiency.
Where as, increasing the load would cause the modulator to see a lower
load resistance and therefore alter the modulation power that it puts
out.  

	However, if you're talking about a rig where the modulation is
developed by a product modulator that has been unbalance to produce
carrier then it would develop more sideband/carrier power ratio than the
1:2 ratio that is norm for AM and it could be called DSB-reduce carrier.
When this happens then there would be some receiver generated distortion
in an envelope detector however a product detector would only produce
more output with out distortion. Of course it would need to be a
synchronous product detector for AM
	
	In the OLD DAYS!
	There were some "product modulators/class C finals" of this
nature produced to work directly into the antenna with out a linear
amplifier to achieve power in the 1KW Range.  However if the quiescent
level of power to the final was 1KW and modulation average power
exceeded 500 watts then there would be an increase in total plate
current of the RF output tubes and the input power as measurement
defined by 1/4 sec. damped meters would increase over the legal input
level.  The key words above are "average power".  What we had been
talking about, in the inverted audio discussion, is instantaneous peak
voltages of audio and not average power.


-----Original Message-----
 On 2 Oct 2002 at 18:38, Gary Schafer wrote:

Flopping the envelope over so that the negative peaks are higher than
the positive doesn't help either. In that case you will over modulate
before your average modulation level gets very high.

Only happens if something causes the signal to square off and flat-top.
You can 
have  "over modulation" perfectly legaly.
It is called "double-sideband-reduced carrier."






From merz.ds at mellon.com  Fri Oct  4 12:10:20 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: ATR-219,  EE-3A, 510X, 4D32, 73, Sonar CFC, GR Cap Bridge, more
Message-ID: <20021004160851.5832.qmail@mellon.com>

For Sale

RCA ATR-219: 1930's 5M portable modulated oscillator type handie-talkie.
Very cool predecessor to the Abbott TR-4, etc. Nice cosmetic condition.
Untested. As-is. $45

RME 510X. Is this a 5 and 10 meter converter? I know nothing about this 
and the dial is not readable. Cabinet in nice shape all around. Appears
intact and all original. Styling matches RME 69/70 with chrome strips.
As-is. $45

Eldico EE-3 Electronic Key. Was an electronic keyer with a built-in paddle.
But this one has paddle removed and ? inch phone jack in its place. Other 
changes may have been made. Paint is nice on top but hole where paddle was 
has been enlarged. As-is. With manual copy. $15

General Radio Capacitance Bridge Type 76-B (maybe, I can't read it). This
once-nice bridge suffers from paint corrosion around the lettering and a
well-scraped and scuffed case. One binding post is broken. Some case screws 
are missing. Big and heavy. As-is. $25

Sonar CFC 80M/40M exciter or VFO. Nice looking with original manual. $75

Triplett 666 VOM. 1930's VOM probably 1000 ohms/volt. The meter bezel is 
cracked but could be glued to be un-noticeable. The bakelite case is chipped 
at the front bottom edge. Dirty. As-is. $10

Hickok 900B volt/Amp/Watt Meter. Metal case with large meter in a wooden 
carrying case. The covering has been ripped off of the wooden case and it
looks like junk. But inside, the actual meter is like new. Comes with test
leads and instructions printed on the back. Nice. Untested. As-is. $20

4D32 tubes. Used in Johnson Viking I final. NOS in sealed boxes. $10 
each, 2 available.

Homebrew Whatzit. This is a receiver or receive converter in a classic
1950's homebrewer's cabinet 12" x8" x8" with original paint (gray/blue
wrinkle finish, chipping along the bottom edge). There are 2 controls
and one National ICN tuning dial. One control is a switch and the other 
is a pot--what they do, I couldn't say. The ICN dial has the knob, pointer 
and scale, but the actual bezel is missing. The nicely built unit has a 
3-section variable cap, 6 tubes and 5 Meissner RF transformers mounted on
the top of the chassis. The tubes are 6AL5, 6C4, 6K7, 6K8, 6SK7, and a 
socket for a 6G5 tuning eye tube which is missing. The Meissner coils are 
14-1005, 14-1004, 16-5740 and 16-574x plus one other I can't read. It all
seems well-designed and neatly built on an aluminum chassis. There is no
power supply, just wires and a plug to plug into one. As-is, Maybe for 
parts or ???. $18

73 Magazine. If you don't have a 73 magazine collection, this would make a
good starter set. 73 during the 60's and early 70's was excellent and these 
make great cheap BA reading. All 70 issues: $35 including shipping.

		1961: 10,11
		1963: 1,2,3(cover loose),5,7,8,9,10,11,12
		1964: 2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11,12
		1965: 1,5,7,8,9,10,12
		1966: 1,2,3,5,7,8,9,11,12
		1967: 1,3,4,5
		1969: 7
		1970: 5
		1971: 1,7,12
		1972: 6,9,10,11,12
		1973: 6,7,10,12
		1974: 7,8,9,10,12
		1975: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11/12

Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

From tbigelow at pop.state.vt.us  Fri Oct  4 14:36:34 2002
From: tbigelow at pop.state.vt.us (Todd Bigelow - PS)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: ATR-219,  EE-3A, 510X, 4D32, 73, Sonar CFC, GR Cap 
 Bridge, more
References: <20021004160851.5832.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <3D9DDFB2.D28AB6D7@pop.state.vt.us>

Hi Don -

If you still have the 4D32s I'd be glad to take them off your hands, my 32V
would appreciate it too.

73 de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ

Merz Donald S wrote:

> For Sale
>
> RCA ATR-219: 1930's 5M portable modulated oscillator type handie-talkie.
> Very cool predecessor to the Abbott TR-4, etc. Nice cosmetic condition.
> Untested. As-is. $45
>
> RME 510X. Is this a 5 and 10 meter converter? I know nothing about this
> and the dial is not readable. Cabinet in nice shape all around. Appears
> intact and all original. Styling matches RME 69/70 with chrome strips.
> As-is. $45
>
> Eldico EE-3 Electronic Key. Was an electronic keyer with a built-in paddle.
> But this one has paddle removed and ? inch phone jack in its place. Other
> changes may have been made. Paint is nice on top but hole where paddle was
> has been enlarged. As-is. With manual copy. $15
>
> General Radio Capacitance Bridge Type 76-B (maybe, I can't read it). This
> once-nice bridge suffers from paint corrosion around the lettering and a
> well-scraped and scuffed case. One binding post is broken. Some case screws
> are missing. Big and heavy. As-is. $25
>
> Sonar CFC 80M/40M exciter or VFO. Nice looking with original manual. $75
>
> Triplett 666 VOM. 1930's VOM probably 1000 ohms/volt. The meter bezel is
> cracked but could be glued to be un-noticeable. The bakelite case is chipped
> at the front bottom edge. Dirty. As-is. $10
>
> Hickok 900B volt/Amp/Watt Meter. Metal case with large meter in a wooden
> carrying case. The covering has been ripped off of the wooden case and it
> looks like junk. But inside, the actual meter is like new. Comes with test
> leads and instructions printed on the back. Nice. Untested. As-is. $20
>
> 4D32 tubes. Used in Johnson Viking I final. NOS in sealed boxes. $10
> each, 2 available.
>
> Homebrew Whatzit. This is a receiver or receive converter in a classic
> 1950's homebrewer's cabinet 12" x8" x8" with original paint (gray/blue
> wrinkle finish, chipping along the bottom edge). There are 2 controls
> and one National ICN tuning dial. One control is a switch and the other
> is a pot--what they do, I couldn't say. The ICN dial has the knob, pointer
> and scale, but the actual bezel is missing. The nicely built unit has a
> 3-section variable cap, 6 tubes and 5 Meissner RF transformers mounted on
> the top of the chassis. The tubes are 6AL5, 6C4, 6K7, 6K8, 6SK7, and a
> socket for a 6G5 tuning eye tube which is missing. The Meissner coils are
> 14-1005, 14-1004, 16-5740 and 16-574x plus one other I can't read. It all
> seems well-designed and neatly built on an aluminum chassis. There is no
> power supply, just wires and a plug to plug into one. As-is, Maybe for
> parts or ???. $18
>
> 73 Magazine. If you don't have a 73 magazine collection, this would make a
> good starter set. 73 during the 60's and early 70's was excellent and these
> make great cheap BA reading. All 70 issues: $35 including shipping.
>
>                 1961: 10,11
>                 1963: 1,2,3(cover loose),5,7,8,9,10,11,12
>                 1964: 2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11,12
>                 1965: 1,5,7,8,9,10,12
>                 1966: 1,2,3,5,7,8,9,11,12
>                 1967: 1,3,4,5
>                 1969: 7
>                 1970: 5
>                 1971: 1,7,12
>                 1972: 6,9,10,11,12
>                 1973: 6,7,10,12
>                 1974: 7,8,9,10,12
>                 1975: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11/12
>
> Thanks.
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Fri Oct  4 14:41:18 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: ATR-219,  EE-3A, 510X, 4D32, 73, Sonar CFC, GR Cap  Bridge, more
Message-ID: <20021004184016.5162.qmail@mellon.com>

Sorry to say that all are sold. I wish the news was better.
Thanks anyway.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

-----Original Message-----
From: tbigelow@pop.state.vt.us [mailto:tbigelow@pop.state.vt.us]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:37 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FS: ATR-219, EE-3A, 510X, 4D32, 73, Sonar CFC, GR
Cap Bridge, more


Hi Don -

If you still have the 4D32s I'd be glad to take them off your hands, my 32V
would appreciate it too.

73 de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ

Merz Donald S wrote:

> For Sale
>
> RCA ATR-219: 1930's 5M portable modulated oscillator type handie-talkie.
> Very cool predecessor to the Abbott TR-4, etc. Nice cosmetic condition.
> Untested. As-is. $45
>
> RME 510X. Is this a 5 and 10 meter converter? I know nothing about this
> and the dial is not readable. Cabinet in nice shape all around. Appears
> intact and all original. Styling matches RME 69/70 with chrome strips.
> As-is. $45
>
> Eldico EE-3 Electronic Key. Was an electronic keyer with a built-in paddle.
> But this one has paddle removed and ? inch phone jack in its place. Other
> changes may have been made. Paint is nice on top but hole where paddle was
> has been enlarged. As-is. With manual copy. $15
>
> General Radio Capacitance Bridge Type 76-B (maybe, I can't read it). This
> once-nice bridge suffers from paint corrosion around the lettering and a
> well-scraped and scuffed case. One binding post is broken. Some case screws
> are missing. Big and heavy. As-is. $25
>
> Sonar CFC 80M/40M exciter or VFO. Nice looking with original manual. $75
>
> Triplett 666 VOM. 1930's VOM probably 1000 ohms/volt. The meter bezel is
> cracked but could be glued to be un-noticeable. The bakelite case is chipped
> at the front bottom edge. Dirty. As-is. $10
>
> Hickok 900B volt/Amp/Watt Meter. Metal case with large meter in a wooden
> carrying case. The covering has been ripped off of the wooden case and it
> looks like junk. But inside, the actual meter is like new. Comes with test
> leads and instructions printed on the back. Nice. Untested. As-is. $20
>
> 4D32 tubes. Used in Johnson Viking I final. NOS in sealed boxes. $10
> each, 2 available.
>
> Homebrew Whatzit. This is a receiver or receive converter in a classic
> 1950's homebrewer's cabinet 12" x8" x8" with original paint (gray/blue
> wrinkle finish, chipping along the bottom edge). There are 2 controls
> and one National ICN tuning dial. One control is a switch and the other
> is a pot--what they do, I couldn't say. The ICN dial has the knob, pointer
> and scale, but the actual bezel is missing. The nicely built unit has a
> 3-section variable cap, 6 tubes and 5 Meissner RF transformers mounted on
> the top of the chassis. The tubes are 6AL5, 6C4, 6K7, 6K8, 6SK7, and a
> socket for a 6G5 tuning eye tube which is missing. The Meissner coils are
> 14-1005, 14-1004, 16-5740 and 16-574x plus one other I can't read. It all
> seems well-designed and neatly built on an aluminum chassis. There is no
> power supply, just wires and a plug to plug into one. As-is, Maybe for
> parts or ???. $18
>
> 73 Magazine. If you don't have a 73 magazine collection, this would make a
> good starter set. 73 during the 60's and early 70's was excellent and these
> make great cheap BA reading. All 70 issues: $35 including shipping.
>
>                 1961: 10,11
>                 1963: 1,2,3(cover loose),5,7,8,9,10,11,12
>                 1964: 2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11,12
>                 1965: 1,5,7,8,9,10,12
>                 1966: 1,2,3,5,7,8,9,11,12
>                 1967: 1,3,4,5
>                 1969: 7
>                 1970: 5
>                 1971: 1,7,12
>                 1972: 6,9,10,11,12
>                 1973: 6,7,10,12
>                 1974: 7,8,9,10,12
>                 1975: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11/12
>
> Thanks.
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  5 18:05:51 2002
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM
Message-ID: <F94s5CRTYBK1CRwFRft00003755@hotmail.com>

I recently noticed a very rough, broad signal that wipes out 30-kc portions 
of the spectrum from the middle of the broadcast
band through 10 m. It is especially bad on 160 and 80m. I did a little 
sniffing with a portable radio and found the source to be a
table lamp my daughter just bought. The thing doesn't have a conventional 
switch, but a metal base, and you turn in on and off
by touching the base with your hand. The thing must have some sort of 
oscillator somewhere in the 450 kc range, and works by
detuning the oscillator when you touch it. What kind of rubbish is someone 
going to think of next to garbage up the radio
spectrum!

I have never seen one of these things before. Is this a novelty or 
speciality item, or is this the way all table lamps are made these
days? (This was probably the first time in over 20 years since anyone here 
brought home a new table lamp.) Surely, this must fall under Part 15, so I 
wonder why the FCC even allows those things to be sold on the market. The 
noise is far worse than the hash from my computer monitor, and I thought 
that was already bad enough. I'm surprised the AM broadcast industry isn't 
raising bloody hell about stuff like this. I can't imagine polluting the rf 
spectrum with rubbish because someone might be too lazy to flip a switch on 
a table lamp.

I'm wondering if anyone else has had problems with interference from those 
things, and what might be the simplest solution. I tried an in-line rf 
filter, but it made no improvement whatever. Unless there is something 
simple to by-pass, the only solution I can think of is to go into the thing, 
rip out the electronics, and mount a conventional swith with a knob on the 
base. I'd like to hear form anyone who has successfully fixed one of these 
things some way other than clip-leading the power cord across the HV 
terminals of the plate transformer and throwing the big switch.

Don K4KYV

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From w5jo at alluretech.net  Sun Oct  6 00:22:40 2002
From: w5jo at alluretech.net (Tommye & Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM
References: <F94s5CRTYBK1CRwFRft00003755@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c26cf0$0260e2d0$76637941@Wilhite>

Don:

I remember several years ago about some company that designed a lamp like
that, but don't remember all the particulars.  Back in the 80's I had a
friend that had a lamp that the switch was touch sensitive, and if my memory
serves right it was an add in device that screwed into the base of the lamp
then the bulb screwed into the device.  You would leave the switch turned on
and it sensed the touch of your hand to the base of the lamp.  There was
also some company that developed a bulb that ran in the 14 meg region.

Could this lamp be something one of the companies shelved years ago and now
has redesigned and/or reintroduced or do you have any additional information
about it?  It seems the price of the lamp that had that kind of switch
integrated was so expensive that they didn't sell many so it disappeared
from the shelves.  I don't remember the frequency of the thing but thought
it was higher than you reported.  Again if I remember right, the cap effect
of your hand on the lamp base changed frequency of the oscillator in it
which caused the lamp to go off/on.

Sorry I don't remember who built or sold them, sadly it has been too many
years.

73   Jim
de W5JO





>
> I recently noticed a very rough, broad signal that wipes out 30-kc
portions
> of the spectrum from the middle of the broadcast
> band through 10 m. It is especially bad on 160 and 80m. I did a little
> sniffing with a portable radio and found the source to be a
> table lamp my daughter just bought. The thing doesn't have a conventional
> switch, but a metal base, and you turn in on and off
> by touching the base with your hand. The thing must have some sort of
> oscillator somewhere in the 450 kc range, and works by
> detuning the oscillator when you touch it. What kind of rubbish is someone
> going to think of next to garbage up the radio
> spectrum!
>
> I have never seen one of these things before. Is this a novelty or
> speciality item, or is this the way all table lamps are made these
> days? (This was probably the first time in over 20 years since anyone here
> brought home a new table lamp.) Surely, this must fall under Part 15, so I
> wonder why the FCC even allows those things to be sold on the market. The
> noise is far worse than the hash from my computer monitor, and I thought
> that was already bad enough. I'm surprised the AM broadcast industry isn't
> raising bloody hell about stuff like this. I can't imagine polluting the
rf
> spectrum with rubbish because someone might be too lazy to flip a switch
on
> a table lamp.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has had problems with interference from those
> things, and what might be the simplest solution. I tried an in-line rf
> filter, but it made no improvement whatever. Unless there is something
> simple to by-pass, the only solution I can think of is to go into the
thing,
> rip out the electronics, and mount a conventional swith with a knob on the
> base. I'd like to hear form anyone who has successfully fixed one of these
> things some way other than clip-leading the power cord across the HV
> terminals of the plate transformer and throwing the big switch.
>
> Don K4KYV


From esieb at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct  6 00:47:46 2002
From: esieb at sympatico.ca (Ed Sieb)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM
In-Reply-To: <003e01c26cf0$0260e2d0$76637941@Wilhite>
Message-ID: <LOBBJHOLOOHLIPLONIAFKEFEFJAA.esieb@sympatico.ca>

Those lamps are quite sensitive to RF fields. One of my neighbors has one of
those wretched things.  When he decides to use it, I just fire up the 100W
rig, and key up a few random carriers in sequence. That sequences his lamp
in varying brightness, and he eventually unplugs the thing in frustration.

All my neighbors run RF trash producing junk.  I have a contant +20dB over 9
roar of buzzies, warbles, farts and raspy hum all over HF.  When ever I key
up a nice carrier, I can hear all these signals shift around and settle back
to their natural frequencies, when I unkey. It's quite amusing.  Sending CW
must cause quite some kind of disruption around my neighborhood.  I can't
wait untill I get my big 1KW big rig online.  maybe that'll just blow up all
that junk, once and for all.

Ed, VA3ES


From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  6 03:45:44 2002
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM
Message-ID: <F109XIVhUhDaO3pUn1e0000587b@hotmail.com>



>From: "Ed Sieb" <esieb@sympatico.ca>

... One of my neighbors has one of
>those wretched things.  When he decides to use it, I just fire up the 100W
>rig, and key up a few random carriers in sequence. That sequences his lamp
>in varying brightness, and he eventually unplugs the thing in frustration.

Ours emits noise even when it is turned off!  The only way to kill it is to 
unplug it.

Don

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From manualman at juno.com  Sun Oct  6 04:06:09 2002
From: manualman at juno.com (Peter A Markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM
Message-ID: <20021006.010710.-710717.2.manualman@juno.com>

Here ya go Don, for what it's worth, by doing a Google search. Also check
the ARRL web page, http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/touchlamp.html  for real
great info on touch lamp problems, radiation, cures, etc.
Pete

Also several explanations off the web:
How does a "touch lamp" work? -- LAM, Enosburg Falls, VT
A touch lamp detects your touch by looking for changes in the electric
properties of the lamp's surfaces. It monitors these properties by
putting a fluctuating electric charge on them. As electric current flows
toward the bulb through the lamp's wires, it passes through an electronic
device that places a high frequency (about 60 kHz) alternating current
onto those wires. This added current causes the lamp's surfaces to take
on a small fluctuating electric charge--first positive, then negative,
then positive, over and over again. This surface charging involves
electrostatic forces, which extend long distances between charged
objects, and occurs even though the lamp's surfaces aren't directly
connected to the lamp's wires. The more surface the lamp has, the more
easily it can hold that electric charge--the greater the lamp's electric
capacitance.
When you plug the lamp in, the electronic device uses its fluctuating
charge to determine how easy it is to add or subtract charge from the
lamp's surfaces. In other words, it measures the lamp's capacitance. It
then begins to look for changes in that capacitance. When you touch the
lamp, or even come close to its surfaces, your body effectively adds to
the lamp's surface and its capacitance increases significantly. The
electronic device detects this increase in capacitance and switches the
lamp's state from on to off or from off to on. The fact that you don't
have to touch the lamp to affect its capacitance means that a touch lamp
can have insulating paint on its metal surfaces yet still detect your
touch. You can also buy touch lamp modules that plug into the wall and
turn the lamp that's connected to them into a touch lamp. These modules
are so sensitive to capacitance changes in the lamp that you can trigger
them just by touching the lamp cord.




Date: Tue Apr 21 15:11:47 1998
Posted By: William Beaty, Electrical Engineer / Physics explainer / K-6
science textbook content provider
Area of science: Engineering
ID: 891020878.Eg 

Message:

Hi Luke!

Touch-lamps are misleading because they seem so simple, but the
electronic circuitry inside them is pretty complicated. It's not as
complex as a television or computer, it?s something like an inexpensive
radio. Get ready, because the explanation isn?t going to be brief!
(grin!)

The touch lamp has several main parts: 
A metal antenna 
touch-sense circuitry 
flip-flop memory bit 
low-voltage power supply 
high-voltage electronic switch 
Light bulb
A touch-lamp is interesting because it uses a combination of "static
electricity" and electric current to sense your touch.

Antenna
The metal shell of the lamp is the antenna. The touch-sense circuitry
works by giving the antenna a positive charge imbalance and then a
negative one. It does this over and over very rapidly, so positive and
negative voltages appear on the metal shell of the lamp. In other words,
the outside of the lamp has vibrating static electricity on its surface.
( It?s not "static" and unmoving. Yet it?s the same stuff as "static
electricity.") The vibrating charge is very feeble, it?s far too weak to
make sparks. But it can be measured.

As the touch-sense circuitry moves charge into and out of the antenna, it
measures the tiny flow of charge in the conductor leading to the antenna.
As long as nobody is touching the antenna, this flow of charge always is
less than a particular value. (It's probably a few microamperes of
alternating current, millionths of amps.) 

If you touch the metal lamp shell with your finger, the touch-sense
circuitry has to work harder. It isn?t just sending charge in and out of
the metal lamp anymore. Now it has to electrify your whole body too. Your
body has a much larger surface than the lamp, so it takes a much larger
amount of charge. When you touch the lamp, the circuitry detects the
higher current going to the anteanna. It then sends a signal to the
memory circuit below, which causes the lamp to switch from off to on (or
vice versa.) 
Memory bit
The lamp contains a pair of electronic switches which control each other.
Their function is to "remember" whether the lamp is supposed to stay on
or off. Together they are called a binary flip flop, and they act as a
single memory bit just like that in a computer. When the touch-sense
circuitry gives them a signal, they "flip" one way and send a signal to
turn the light bulb on. When the touch-sense circuitry gives them a
second signal, they "flip" the other way and tell the light bulb to turn
off. 
High voltage, High current switch
The lamp has one big transistor in it which controls the light bulb. This
electronic switch can withstand dangerous amounts of voltage (120volts
from the wall, plus surges from distant lightning storms.) It can pass
several amperes of current through itself when turned on.

The flipflop memory circuit gives the main transistor a tiny signal, and
this makes the transistor act like a closed switch. This turns on the
light bulb. If you touch the lamp again, the touch-sense circuitry will
detect it, and send a signal to the flipflop memory circuit. The memory
circuit flips, and stops sending its signal to the main power transistor.
The power transistor turns into an open circuit, and the light bulb turns
off. 
Silicon chip
All this circuitry would be expensive, but it?s all reduced to
microscopic size and printed into the surface of a silicon chip about 1/8
inch square. Transistors, wires, and insulators are formed on the
silicon, and the chip costs less than 1$. But just because it?s small and
cheap, doesn?t mean it?s simple! 
Experiments
I never had my own touch-lamp to play with, but I can think of some
things you might try. 
Hold a metal object in your hand and touch it to the lamp. The lamp
should turn on or off. Metal is a conductor. It is full of movable
charge, and it offers a path for charge flow. It electrically connects
your body to the metal shell of the lamp, so the lamp "knows" that you?ve
touched it. 
hold a plastic object in your hand and touch it to the lamp. Nothing
happens. Plastic does not contain movable charges, it is an insulator.
Plastic provides no path for charges to flow, so your body has not
touched the lamp electrically. 
Dip your finger in oil, then touch your finger to the lamp. Nothing
should happen. Oil is insulating. It interrupts the electrical connection
between your finger and the lamp. (Don?t get in trouble for getting the
lamp all oily!) 
Tape a strip of aluminum foil to the metal part of the touch-lamp. Now
touch the foil. The lamp should go on or off. Aluminum (as well as all
metals) is conductive, and it electrically becomes part of the antenna. 
Wet a strip of paper towel, hold the wet part in your hand, and let it
touch the lamp. The lamp should go on or off. (If it doesn?t work, try
using salty water on the paper towel.) The water makes the paper become
conductive. If you do this with a dry paper towel, nothing should happen.
Try wet string. Try wet thread. 
On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:05:51 +0000 "Donald Chester" <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> I recently noticed a very rough, broad signal that wipes out 30-kc 
> portions 
> of the spectrum from the middle of the broadcast
> band through 10 m. It is especially bad on 160 and 80m. I did a 
> little 
> sniffing with a portable radio and found the source to be a
> table lamp my daughter just bought. The thing doesn't have a 
> conventional 
> switch, but a metal base, and you turn in on and off
> by touching the base with your hand. The thing must have some sort 
> of 
> oscillator somewhere in the 450 kc range, and works by
> detuning the oscillator when you touch it. What kind of rubbish is 
> someone 
> going to think of next to garbage up the radio
> spectrum!
> 
> I have never seen one of these things before. Is this a novelty or 
> speciality item, or is this the way all table lamps are made these
> days? (This was probably the first time in over 20 years since 
> anyone here 
> brought home a new table lamp.) Surely, this must fall under Part 
> 15, so I 
> wonder why the FCC even allows those things to be sold on the 
> market. The 
> noise is far worse than the hash from my computer monitor, and I 
> thought 
> that was already bad enough. I'm surprised the AM broadcast industry 
> isn't 
> raising bloody hell about stuff like this. I can't imagine polluting 
> the rf 
> spectrum with rubbish because someone might be too lazy to flip a 
> switch on 
> a table lamp.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone else has had problems with interference from 
> those 
> things, and what might be the simplest solution. I tried an in-line 
> rf 
> filter, but it made no improvement whatever. Unless there is 
> something 
> simple to by-pass, the only solution I can think of is to go into 
> the thing, 
> rip out the electronics, and mount a conventional swith with a knob 
> on the 
> base. I'd like to hear form anyone who has successfully fixed one of 
> these 
> things some way other than clip-leading the power cord across the HV 
> 
> s of the plate transformer and throwing the big switch.
> 
> Don K4KYV
>

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From jbeasley at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  6 09:27:53 2002
From: jbeasley at earthlink.net (John Beasley)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM
References: <F94s5CRTYBK1CRwFRft00003755@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c26d3c$2d11c5c0$d355d918@newcomputer>

Don,

    My brother (KA?VEL) has two of those touch lamps.  He bought them
over 15 years ago and I am surprised they are still sold.  We just figured
they had SCR's in them.  We never tried to suppress the noise, it was
easier just to shut them off.  We experienced similar noise from the little
remote control modules too.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM


>
> I recently noticed a very rough, broad signal that wipes out 30-kc
portions
> of the spectrum from the middle of the broadcast
> band through 10 m. It is especially bad on 160 and 80m. I did a little
> sniffing with a portable radio and found the source to be a
> table lamp my daughter just bought. The thing doesn't have a conventional
> switch, but a metal base, and you turn in on and off
> by touching the base with your hand. The thing must have some sort of
> oscillator somewhere in the 450 kc range, and works by
> detuning the oscillator when you touch it. What kind of rubbish is someone
> going to think of next to garbage up the radio
> spectrum!
>
> I have never seen one of these things before. Is this a novelty or
> speciality item, or is this the way all table lamps are made these
> days? (This was probably the first time in over 20 years since anyone here
> brought home a new table lamp.) Surely, this must fall under Part 15, so I
> wonder why the FCC even allows those things to be sold on the market. The
> noise is far worse than the hash from my computer monitor, and I thought
> that was already bad enough. I'm surprised the AM broadcast industry isn't
> raising bloody hell about stuff like this. I can't imagine polluting the
rf
> spectrum with rubbish because someone might be too lazy to flip a switch
on
> a table lamp.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has had problems with interference from those
> things, and what might be the simplest solution. I tried an in-line rf
> filter, but it made no improvement whatever. Unless there is something
> simple to by-pass, the only solution I can think of is to go into the
thing,
> rip out the electronics, and mount a conventional swith with a knob on the
> base. I'd like to hear form anyone who has successfully fixed one of these
> things some way other than clip-leading the power cord across the HV
> terminals of the plate transformer and throwing the big switch.
>
> Don K4KYV
>
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From gpritchard at comtechpst.com  Mon Oct  7 09:21:11 2002
From: gpritchard at comtechpst.com (George Pritchard)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM
In-Reply-To: <LOBBJHOLOOHLIPLONIAFKEFEFJAA.esieb@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <002001c26e04$688d2400$7314a8c0@comtech.comtechpst.com>

Slightly off topic: My neighbor has it all. Touch lamps, cordless phones,
wireless keypads/mouses, and of course TVs. I get into all of it!
Fortunately I can demonstrate NO INTERFERENCE AT MY QTH on anything
(filters, toroids etc...).  When I handed him printed info on "the how and
whys" of RF interference and volunteered to help solve it... He threw the
papers to the ground, started to call me &@&@$# and everything else in the
book! At that point I stepped back from him and realized that I did not have
to (or want to) help him at all. I told him that he could fix it himself and
that I'm not legally obligated in any way... especially as long as he acts
like that. After his performance, I said: "It's your problem, not mine. I
hope you enjoy my conversations." Case closed. However, I did mail him all
the info "certified receipt" with his signature so he could do it him self
since I will never step into his house again. Fortunately I do not hear any
of his crap on my receivers (quad loops help?). Actually... I'm glad he
acted like that. Now I know I will not get any more complaints, or have to
spend the time with the jerk.
George AB2KC 1KW AM

-----Original Message-----
From: amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-admin@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Ed Sieb
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:48 AM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] "Magic" lamp QRM


Those lamps are quite sensitive to RF fields. One of my neighbors has one of
those wretched things.  When he decides to use it, I just fire up the 100W
rig, and key up a few random carriers in sequence. That sequences his lamp
in varying brightness, and he eventually unplugs the thing in frustration.

All my neighbors run RF trash producing junk.  I have a contant +20dB over 9
roar of buzzies, warbles, farts and raspy hum all over HF.  When ever I key
up a nice carrier, I can hear all these signals shift around and settle back
to their natural frequencies, when I unkey. It's quite amusing.  Sending CW
must cause quite some kind of disruption around my neighborhood.  I can't
wait untill I get my big 1KW big rig online.  maybe that'll just blow up all
that junk, once and for all.

Ed, VA3ES

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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Mon Oct  7 12:00:18 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: PP-380/U, VF-1, WU Loop Supply, 28TD, Sig Gen
Message-ID: <20021007160149.5719.qmail@mellon.com>

FOR SALE

PP-380/U TCS AC power supplies in terrible condition. I have 2 of these. Cosmetically, they are covered with rust. But they could be blasted and repainted and come out looking good. Inside, they are not as rusty but still not in good condition. One of these has had a transformer removed and the output connectors are broken. The other is intact. I would just use these for parts except that some dedicated TCS type might want them for their original use. With original PP-380/U manual. Untested and 
as-is. $30/all

Heathkit VF-1 VFO full of goofy cosmetic modifications--the tuning knob is wrong, the other 2 knobs have black magic marker on them. The case has been repainted a close gray--but not close enough. The good news is that there are no unoriginal holes and no electrical modifications that I can detect. This is the earlier, copper chassis version. Untested. As-is, $25

Western Union Teletype Loop Supply. The stenciling inside says "Western Union Tel Co Germanium Rectifier 74622-B Mfd By Schauer Corp." This is the best commercial loop supply I have ever seen. Painted WU green with pop-off cover. Excellent construction with circuit breaker and plugs that mate with the old-style Teletype power connection box. No expense has been spared. Working perfectly. $50

Teletype Model 28TD guts only--motor and tape mechanics. Some surface rust over most of this. $15 as-is. I will also include some other miscellaneous Model 28 TT parts.

Clough-Brengle 79B Signal Generator. 1930's HF signal generator for radio service work. Black wrinkle with green dial. Leather handle is broken. Dial face has painted mark on it. There is an unoriginal 3/8 hole on the front panel. Untested. As-is. $8

Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

From w5jo at alluretech.net  Mon Oct  7 15:24:12 2002
From: w5jo at alluretech.net (Tommye & Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] NC 183 D
Message-ID: <000701c26e37$412510c0$788e7d41@Wilhite>

I have a NC 183D that I need some information about.  The manual I
downloaded from BAMA shows the phase inverter to be a 6J5.  The radio I have
uses a 6SN7 to do that job.  I wonder if anyone has a manual with the
diagram of the 6SN7 inverter?

If so, I would like a copy and will pay copy and mailing costs.  Any help
appreciated.

73   Jim
de W5JO


From merz.ds at mellon.com  Mon Oct  7 16:12:10 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Info Needed: Stancor 60P
Message-ID: <20021007201038.5549.qmail@mellon.com>

I have probably asked about this before, so please forgive me. But this radio has once again rotated into view. It needs lots of things, but most urgent is a new front panel. The old one is a perfect example of why hams should have to be licensed for electric drill operation. 

So what I really need is 1. A reference to a really good picture of one of these in a magazine or catalog, and 2) a talk with the owner of a 60P to discuss various items but most urgently, the color of his front panel.

I have the original panel. It appears to have been painted a light gray/green. I also have a selection of replacement panels I could use--none of which, of course, match the Stancor gray/green. The cabinet I have is black. And a short and easy out here is to use the pre-painted black panel I have. I also have a gray panel that is in the ballpark for color, but not really close enough for anyone who actually knew what color these are supposed to be.

Can anyone help?
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

From ka1iic at prexar.com  Mon Oct  7 16:19:06 2002
From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Werber)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] NC 183 D
In-Reply-To: <000701c26e37$412510c0$788e7d41@Wilhite>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210071613030.12378-100000@VinceWerber.org>

Are you sure it's the NC183D and not the straight NC183?
Easiest way to tell is the IF strip... on the 183 it is a single 455khz...
the 183D is dual conversion...  also the 183 uses octal based tubes only
i.e. the first and second RF is a 6SG7...
If the RF's are 6BA6's then it is the 183D
73
Vince
ka1iic


On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Tommye & Jim Wilhite wrote:

> I have a NC 183D that I need some information about.  The manual I
> downloaded from BAMA shows the phase inverter to be a 6J5.  The radio I have
> uses a 6SN7 to do that job.  I wonder if anyone has a manual with the
> diagram of the 6SN7 inverter?
>
> If so, I would like a copy and will pay copy and mailing costs.  Any help
> appreciated.
>
> 73   Jim
> de W5JO
>
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From w5jo at alluretech.net  Mon Oct  7 17:23:52 2002
From: w5jo at alluretech.net (Tommye & Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D
References: <18e.f6edafa.2ad33e24@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c26e47$d5af3d00$948e7d41@Wilhite>

John, you and Vince raise interesting questions.  The NC 183 D that I own has the D on the cabinet and uses 6BA6s for the first two RF stages and the IF stages then uses 6BE6s for the oscillator and mixer.  It completely matches the manual except for the phase inverter.  

Upon careful inspection I cannot see that it has been modified from the 6J5 to the 6SN7.  It uses a 6SJ7 for the first audio which according to the manual is correct.  Serial number is 372 1029 and not being familar with the serial number sequence, don't know if that is early or not.  Any other ideas?

73  Jim
de W5JO
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: W4AWM@aol.com 
  To: w5jo@alluretech.net 
  Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:44 PM
  Subject: NC-183D


  Hi,

  Are you sure you don't have a regular NC-183?

  All that I can find shows the 6J5 phase inverter in the 183 model.  Possibly you have a very early D model and there was a production change.

  I have attached part of the 183 schematic showing the phase inverter circuit.

  73, John,

  W4AWM 



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From ka1iic at prexar.com  Mon Oct  7 17:47:57 2002
From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Werber)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D
In-Reply-To: <001401c26e47$d5af3d00$948e7d41@Wilhite>
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From manualman at juno.com  Mon Oct  7 17:57:26 2002
From: manualman at juno.com (Peter A Markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D
Message-ID: <20021007.145804.-553581.1.manualman@juno.com>

There are two versions of the NC-183D. As pointed out,one with 6J5 phase
inverter driving the 6V6's and the other, 6SN7 (half as phase inverter
driving the 6V6's and the other half being the S-meter amplifier). Early
NC-183D's, like NC-183's, had no S-meter amplifier. I have both
schematic's.
Pete, WA2CWA
P. A. Markavage
27 Walling St., 
Sayreville, NJ 08872-1818

On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:23:52 -0600 "Tommye & Jim Wilhite"
<w5jo@alluretech.net> writes:
> John, you and Vince raise interesting questions.  The NC 183 D that I 
> own has the D on the cabinet and uses 6BA6s for the first two RF 
> stages and the IF stages then uses 6BE6s for the oscillator and 
> mixer.  It completely matches the manual except for the phase 
> inverter.  
> 
> Upon careful inspection I cannot see that it has been modified from 
> the 6J5 to the 6SN7.  It uses a 6SJ7 for the first audio which 
> according to the manual is correct.  Serial number is 372 1029 and 
> not being familar with the serial number sequence, don't know if 
> that is early or not.  Any other ideas?
> 
> 73  Jim
> de W5JO
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: W4AWM@aol.com 
>   To: w5jo@alluretech.net 
>   Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:44 PM
>   Subject: NC-183D
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
>   Are you sure you don't have a regular NC-183?
> 
>   All that I can find shows the 6J5 phase inverter in the 183 model. 
>  Possibly you have a very early D model and there was a production 
> change.
> 
>   I have attached part of the 183 schematic showing the phase 
> inverter circuit.
> 
>   73, John,
> 
>   W4AWM 
> 
> 
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From W4AWM at aol.com  Mon Oct  7 18:05:01 2002
From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Phase Inverter Question
Message-ID: <170.151d4d0c.2ad35f0d@aol.com>

Hi Jim, 

 I really am ignorant when it comes to National products, but I have a 
library of manuals that I purchased from an estate and both models are 
represented.

When I was a novice, one of my Elmers had a 183D and I always thought it was 
a gem of a receiver. I have nearly picked one up several times just for 
nostalgia sake, but I am overloaded with nostalgia now so it will have to 
wait until I find larger quarters.

73,

John, W4AWM


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From w5jo at alluretech.net  Mon Oct  7 18:09:25 2002
From: w5jo at alluretech.net (Tommye & Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D
References: <20021007.145804.-553581.1.manualman@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004401c26e4e$32a6c590$948e7d41@Wilhite>

Interesting Pete.  The radio I have must have been an early version with the
S-Meter that uses about the same circuit as the HRO 60 did.  Am I correct?

73  Jim
de W5JO





> There are two versions of the NC-183D. As pointed out,one with 6J5 phase
> inverter driving the 6V6's and the other, 6SN7 (half as phase inverter
> driving the 6V6's and the other half being the S-meter amplifier). Early
> NC-183D's, like NC-183's, had no S-meter amplifier. I have both
> schematic's.
> Pete, WA2CWA
> P. A. Markavage
> 27 Walling St.,
> Sayreville, NJ 08872-1818


From manualman at juno.com  Mon Oct  7 18:32:44 2002
From: manualman at juno.com (Peter A Markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D
Message-ID: <20021007.153244.-553581.5.manualman@juno.com>

I think so but will check later. Dog on the lap. doing babysitting so
dinner can be prepared. 
pete
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:09:25 -0600 "Tommye & Jim Wilhite"
<w5jo@alluretech.net> writes:
> Interesting Pete.  The radio I have must have been an early version 
> with the
> S-Meter that uses about the same circuit as the HRO 60 did.  Am I 
> correct?
> 
> 73  Jim
> de W5JO
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > There are two versions of the NC-183D. As pointed out,one with 6J5 
> phase
> > inverter driving the 6V6's and the other, 6SN7 (half as phase 
> inverter
> > driving the 6V6's and the other half being the S-meter amplifier). 
> Early
> > NC-183D's, like NC-183's, had no S-meter amplifier. I have both
> > schematic's.
> > Pete, WA2CWA
> > P. A. Markavage
> > 27 Walling St.,
> > Sayreville, NJ 08872-1818
> 

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From manualman at juno.com  Mon Oct  7 19:28:26 2002
From: manualman at juno.com (Peter A Markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D
Message-ID: <20021007.162827.-553581.6.manualman@juno.com>

I'm back.
Actually, it looks like your early 183D, the 183, and the 173 all use
very similar S-meter circuitry. I didn't analyze every part but they look
very close. The HRO50 and 60 use one half of a 6SN7, like later
NC-183D's, as an S-meter amplifier. I have both the NC-173 and the later
NC-183D and both S-meter circuits seem to work well.
Pete

On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:09:25 -0600 "Tommye & Jim Wilhite"
<w5jo@alluretech.net> writes:
> Interesting Pete.  The radio I have must have been an early version 
> with the
> S-Meter that uses about the same circuit as the HRO 60 did.  Am I 
> correct?
> 
> 73  Jim
> de W5JO
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > There are two versions of the NC-183D. As pointed out,one with 6J5 
> phase
> > inverter driving the 6V6's and the other, 6SN7 (half as phase 
> inverter
> > driving the 6V6's and the other half being the S-meter amplifier). 
> Early
> > NC-183D's, like NC-183's, had no S-meter amplifier. I have both
> > schematic's.
> > Pete, WA2CWA
> > P. A. Markavage
> > 27 Walling St.,
> > Sayreville, NJ 08872-1818
>

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From w5jo at alluretech.net  Mon Oct  7 20:28:46 2002
From: w5jo at alluretech.net (Tommye & Jim Wilhite)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D
References: <20021007.162827.-553581.6.manualman@juno.com>
Message-ID: <009001c26e61$aa132660$948e7d41@Wilhite>

Thanks for the information Pete.  I really appreciate the dog in the lap and
baby sitting.

73  Jim
de W5JO




> I'm back.
> Actually, it looks like your early 183D, the 183, and the 173 all use
> very similar S-meter circuitry. I didn't analyze every part but they look
> very close. The HRO50 and 60 use one half of a 6SN7, like later
> NC-183D's, as an S-meter amplifier. I have both the NC-173 and the later
> NC-183D and both S-meter circuits seem to work well.
> Pete


From merz.ds at mellon.com  Tue Oct  8 12:59:19 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: Early BC 342
Message-ID: <20021008165757.12068.qmail@mellon.com>

FOR SALE

Military WWII-era BC-342 HF receiver. Covers 1.5-18mc. These were used by the ground pounders throughout WWII, often paired with the BC-191 (alias BC-375) transmitter. This BC-342 is a ham-modified unit with the tag missing. The schematic inside the case says BC-342D but who knows if this is the original case. This must be an early BC-342 though, because it has the uncommonly-seen noise eliminator circuitry installed.

The noise eliminator was part of the BC-342 in the original model (no letter) and apparently in models -A through -C. First, there are 3 antenna inputs--one marked "signal Ant", another says "Alt Sig Ant", while a third one says "Noise Ant." Then there are 2 screw=adjustable pots on the front panel with spring-loaded covers over the holes. The covers are marked "Noise Adj." and "Noise Bal." So these extra controls an connectors make these earlier 342 models look a bit unique.

The modifications to this set are many, but there are relatively few unoriginal holes and they are all of the 1/8" variety. The case has some unoriginal holes on the top and a cutout on the back, near the power supply. The front panel also has 6 1/8" unoriginal holes. 4 of these were done to mount the SO-239 antenna connector and the other 2 are used to mount another weird connector in place of one of the jacks on the right hand side of the front panel. There is no tuning vernier lock mechanism (just the knob) but all other knobs appear to be original. There is a control mounted in the SPARE hole, and a 1/4" jack mounted where the power connector is normally found (the power connector housing is missing) and there is another unoriginal control in one of the jack holes on the right hand side of the front panel. The Dyn/Fil fuse holder is missing. 

Other problems: The band change mask does not correctly line up in the tuning dial window. Inside looks okay except for some ugly recapping work that has been done. And finally, there is no power supply of any kind. 

As-is. $45

Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


From W7QHO at aol.com  Tue Oct  8 13:40:40 2002
From: W7QHO at aol.com (W7QHO@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: Early BC 342
Message-ID: <109.19e3e537.2ad47298@aol.com>

If it has the noise elimination circuitry it's a "C" or earlier model. Also, 
check whether or not the Fast Tune knob includes a built in slip clutch.   
"C" and earlier models did not.   

The BC-342 would have been used in fixed station installations or where 115 
vac would otherwise have been   available for the power supply (SCR-197, 299, 
399 & 499 for ex.).   The 12 vdc BC-312 would have been more commonly used 
with the BC-191 xmitters (SCR-177B, 188A, 193, and 210 configurations for 
ex.).

The BC-342 and 312 receivers are virtually identical except for the power 
supplies (RA-20 in he 342 and DM-21 in the 312).   See ER #95, March 1997 for 
more.

Dennis D.   W7QHO
Glendale, CA



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From brett.gazdzinski at wcom.com  Wed Oct  9 09:53:41 2002
From: brett.gazdzinski at wcom.com (Brett Gazdzinski)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: S meter
In-Reply-To: <000701c26e37$412510c0$788e7d41@Wilhite>
Message-ID: <000f01c26f9b$4763ebe0$adb220a6@wcomnet.com>

Hello all AM'ers.
I am still looking for an S meter for my homebrew receiver.
I am really looking for an S meter out of one of the heathkit 
sb or hw series receivers (not with final current or alc scales).
They are nice looking and allow for a backlight.

I will even buy a parts radio to get the meter.

On a side note, I won a bid on ebay for an swr/power/modulation
meter. It looks like a nice desk top unit with three
separate meters in it, and handles 1000 watts rms.

If it works, it should be handy to have all three readings
simultaneously on one small box at the operating position.

Going to the pack rats fest in eastern PA this Sunday, if
it does not rain.
I will bring along a lot of audio junk like dual 20 band
graphic eq, various compressor limiters, mike preamp and mixer,
pa amp, old stereo equipment, etc.

I will be looking for an S meter, a smaller (lower voltage)
transformer for the home brew receiver, and various other
goodies.
Plus, any neat junk I can get for future projects/to play with.
Hopefully, what I sell will offset what I spend....

I think this winters project will be a pair of 4-125 (or whatever)
rf deck with a pie network output.
I have a bunch of 4-125 tubes, and all the major parts
(chassis, tuning and loading caps, tubes, tube sockets, filament
transformer, etc.).
I think it will be a one band rig, 80 or 40, and
I will try to make it small and simple as compared to
the large and complex stuff I usually wind up with.

No band switches, fixed coils for grid and plate, a simple setup.

Brett
N2DTS

From Ed.Hopton at checkpt.com  Thu Oct 10 08:39:06 2002
From: Ed.Hopton at checkpt.com (Ed.Hopton@checkpt.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: S meter
Message-ID: <OF2763F352.4F000337-ON85256C4E.0043C25D@checkpt.com>

Hi Brett,

I don't think we've worked before, but I've heard you on 40m plenty of
times.  I just wanted to drop you a line to say hello.  I don't think I
have an S meter for you, but I do have a box of various panel meters.  I
can take a look and see what's there.  I know I have a few R-390 size
meters, but with different scales and probably with different movements.
I'll send you one if you want it.

I'm inactive at the moment -- just moved to Cherry Hill from Philly back in
June and although I have a few receivers and a 2m rig to play with,  I
haven't figured out an antenna that I can put up in an apartment.  I do
have an attached garage and was thinking of one of those MFJ loops.  I
don't have much time to play with radio anyway (I'm going to school in the
evenings at Rutgers).

We'll be looking for a house in a year or two.  I see from QRZ that you're
in Voorhees.  Is that a ham friendly area?  I'd like to be able to put up a
modest tower and run some wire antennas for the lower bands.  My future XYL
is OK with all of this; we just need to find a place without antenna
restrictions.

Good luck at Pack Rats.  I can't remember the last time I missed that
hamfest, but this year will be one of those times.  I hope the weather will
be OK -- the old joke used to be: "When's Pack Rats?"  "The first rainy
weekend in October!"

73,

Ed N3CMI



From manualman at juno.com  Thu Oct 10 12:18:29 2002
From: manualman at juno.com (Peter A Markavage)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Pack A Rat and BARA
Message-ID: <20021010.091839.-338787.2.manualman@juno.com>

Hey Ed and all:
Looks like this will be a great hamfest weekend for NY, NJ, PA area. Got 
the BARA hamfest up in north Jersey on Saturday (indoor and outdoor) and
the infamous Pack Rats hamfest (when it was at the drive-in, most times:
is it raining there; not really, sun is trying to come out, from the
talk-in person) in PA. All in all, they both should be good hamfests.
Will have my "want" list in hand. Probably will bring a bunch of free
stuff just to clean house and maybe even dump some of the collins stuff
that's collecting dust. I've been told that all telphone poles, pole
pigs, parking bumpers, etc. will be secured prior to the hamfests to
prevent them from walking away.

Pete, WA2CWA
ps Ed: you should try HF mobile till you get settled in your new
location. 10 meters AM is coming alive. Some of those small multi-band
rigs are going for fairly reasonable prices.

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:39:06 -0500 Ed.Hopton@checkpt.com writes:
> 
> Hi Brett,
> 
> I don't think we've worked before, but I've heard you on 40m plenty 
> of
> times.  I just wanted to drop you a line to say hello.  I don't 
> think I
> have an S meter for you, but I do have a box of various panel 
> meters.  I
> can take a look and see what's there.  I know I have a few R-390 
> size
> meters, but with different scales and probably with different 
> movements.
> I'll send you one if you want it.
> 
> I'm inactive at the moment -- just moved to Cherry Hill from Philly 
> back in
> June and although I have a few receivers and a 2m rig to play with,  
> I
> haven't figured out an antenna that I can put up in an apartment.  I 
> do
> have an attached garage and was thinking of one of those MFJ loops.  
> I
> don't have much time to play with radio anyway (I'm going to school 
> in the
> evenings at Rutgers).
> 
> We'll be looking for a house in a year or two.  I see from QRZ that 
> you're
> in Voorhees.  Is that a ham friendly area?  I'd like to be able to 
> put up a
> modest tower and run some wire antennas for the lower bands.  My 
> future XYL
> is OK with all of this; we just need to find a place without 
> antenna
> restrictions.
> 
> Good luck at Pack Rats.  I can't remember the last time I missed 
> that
> hamfest, but this year will be one of those times.  I hope the 
> weather will
> be OK -- the old joke used to be: "When's Pack Rats?"  "The first 
> rainy
> weekend in October!"
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ed N3CMI
> 
>

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From Ed.Hopton at checkpt.com  Thu Oct 10 12:45:59 2002
From: Ed.Hopton at checkpt.com (Ed.Hopton@checkpt.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Pack A Rat and BARA
Message-ID: <OF1D2B4C10.369CB671-ON85256C4E.005BF0A1@checkpt.com>

Hi Pete and the group,

Thanks for the tip.  That's the hell of it: I have an Icom 706 that is
destined for the car.  I used to have a long commute, now it seems like I'm
never in the car!

73,

Ed N3CMI



From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Fri Oct 11 18:26:26 2002
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] specs for a UTC S 50
Message-ID: <20021011222626.18111.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have the specs for a UTC S 50 power
transformer? 

TNX
DE KA4JVY
Mark

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From kenw2dtc at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 20:19:21 2002
From: kenw2dtc at comcast.net (kenw2dtc)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: [Amps] specs for a UTC S 50
References: <20021011222626.18111.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c27185$0342e560$bb302744@midltn01.nj.comcast.net>

Mark,
My book shows that the S-50 is a plate transformer:
primary:  115 volt  50/60 cycles
secondary:  3000-2500-0-2500-3000 at 300 ma.
73,
 Ken W2DTC
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  Subject: [Amps] specs for a UTC S 50


  Does anyone have the specs for a UTC S 50 power
  transformer? 

  TNX
  DE KA4JVY
  Mark

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From kd2nx at att.net  Sat Oct 12 11:28:49 2002
From: kd2nx at att.net (kd2nx@att.net)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Stuff for sale...
Message-ID: <20021012152848.VHQI23792.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21>

I have some military items for sale. I'll definately be at the Warminster 
(Wrightstown, PA) hamfest on Sunday, Oct. 13th with these items:

ATD Transmitter w/spare parts box and manual, no remote controls or dynamotor, 
VG Condx, $250.00

Two TCS sets, all units have some mods but are restorable, one set has S/N 
plates, another doesn't. Mixed series. I have manual. Also have PP-380 AC 
Supply with manual, minor mods, no number plate. Asking $350.00 for all.

BC-348R receiver w/ shockmount & manual & built-in AC Supply, Good Condx, also 
will include TS-164 freq. meter with receiver, $200.00

Also have non-ham items, such as:
Heathkit SB-10 Sideband Adapters, I have three units, and two manuals. Not 
tested, $50.00 each or all three for $100.00 firm.

I'll include any afterthoughts in my car when I go to the hamfest.

All items are negotiable, would like to make a package deal for all of it. 
Contact me at my e-mail address below, or at home at (732) 495-3241 or (732) 
687-8275.

Thanks!

Steve


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From wb5afy at wb5afy.net  Sun Oct 13 12:21:32 2002
From: wb5afy at wb5afy.net (Dan Osborne)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] GK400 Modulator - pix and advice needed
Message-ID: <nbva5u3ytr20x6e.131020021121@tcs003.wb5afy.net>

Group - 

Recently aquired the mod deck from a GK400 - all the iron
appears OK - however - the unit arrived here as a box of 
parts and a bare chassis..(sigh)

Does anyone have a digi pix of the under chassis wiring ??
Sure would be a help during re-assembly !!  I checked the
WA5CMI web site but no pix of the underside of the mod
deck. Have also downloaded all the BAMA documents.

I will be subing 811a's for the 5514's - I assume that I need to use
two 6.3 vac xfmrs - one for the audio string - and one for the 811's ???

Also considering using the 6L6 audio design from the 500 instead of
the 6N7/6F6's for a less cluttered chassis - the interstage xfrmr is
a Thordarson T-20D78...not sure if it will match the single ended
6L6 stage properly or not.

Advice and opinions are welcome.

tnx es 73,
Dan L Osborne WB5AFY
wb5afy@wb5afy.net
972-465-4221 (Work)
EM04id


From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Sun Oct 13 15:15:10 2002
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] N8ECR email address?
Message-ID: <20021013191510.11762.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com>

Anybody have Mike's (N8ECR)  email address?

TNX
DE KA4JVY
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From esieb at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct 13 16:44:19 2002
From: esieb at sympatico.ca (Ed Sieb)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FW: AM Broadcast Xmtr. plus extras For Sale
Message-ID: <LOBBJHOLOOHLIPLONIAFMEMNFJAA.esieb@sympatico.ca>

Repost from baswaplist:

Please contact Gary,  =NOT ME=
Gary (562) 900-1415.

-----Original Message-----
From:  Gary	[garygary@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:03 PM
To: baswaplist@foothill.net
Subject: AM Broadcast Xmtr. plus extras For Sale


It's time to move on and I must unload a number of items.
This will be a pick up only in the LA/Orange County area.
A complete original RCA BTA-1MX 1 KW broadcast transmitter using 833
tubes.
Matching RCA studio console and rare RCA Studio turntable. I've restored
many broadcast transmitter operating on 160 and 80 meter AM and this
would be a beauty.
Price for all, you arrange to pick up at my home. Includes manual.
Price best offer around $2200.  Gary (562) 900-1415.
garygary@earthlink.net

From hogtamer at wt.net  Sun Oct 13 19:06:35 2002
From: hogtamer at wt.net (hogtamer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] GK400 Modulator - pix and advice needed
Message-ID: <3da9fc7b.2b82.1804289383@wt.net>

> Group -
<Snip>
> Does anyone have a digi pix of the under chassis wiring ??
> Sure would be a help during re-assembly !!  I checked the
> WA5CMI web site but no pix of the underside of the mod
> deck.
***************************************************

Hi Dan,

I have my 400 completely apart and since I owe Don/N5JDQ
some photos as you asked for it will be an easy thing to do
but I will be unable to send them until Wed. I am not at my
QTH and my ability to upload them picks from my camera. But
if you don't have them by then I'll take pictures of the
underneathof the 400 and send them along too you.

Take care...

73,
Tony/W5OD
River House Radio
Boling, Texas

From wb5afy at wb5afy.net  Sun Oct 13 20:41:19 2002
From: wb5afy at wb5afy.net (Dan Osborne)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:17 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] GK400 Modulator - pix and advice needed
In-Reply-To: <3da9fc7b.2b82.1804289383@wt.net>
Message-ID: <vdapwhy7zxkhfhm.131020021941@tcs003.wb5afy.net>

Thanks Tony - will look forward to the pix - 73



At 11:06 PM 10/13/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>> Group -
><Snip>
>> Does anyone have a digi pix of the under chassis wiring ??
>> Sure would be a help during re-assembly !!  I checked the
>> WA5CMI web site but no pix of the underside of the mod
>> deck.
>***************************************************
>
>Hi Dan,
>
>I have my 400 completely apart and since I owe Don/N5JDQ
>some photos as you asked for it will be an easy thing to do
>but I will be unable to send them until Wed. I am not at my
>QTH and my ability to upload them picks from my camera. But
>if you don't have them by then I'll take pictures of the
>underneathof the 400 and send them along too you.
>
>Take care...
>
>73,
>Tony/W5OD
>River House Radio
>Boling, Texas
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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Tue Oct 22 10:03:59 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] FS: RCS-8V, Headsets, PRC-74 antenna, SRT-14 ops manual, RTTY Magazine
Message-ID: <20021022140224.17027.qmail@mellon.com>

For Sale

Ameritron/MFJ RCS-8V remote antenna switch. This is a 5-position coax switch designed to be remotely mounted with the control head in the shack. Requires 5-conductor or 6-conductor rotator cable for linking switch to head. Brand new in original box with original manual and mounting hardware. Never used. $80

Tweezer tips for a resistance-soldering outfit. Contact brand, model T-10. Used but in excellent condition. $10

PRC-74 loaded whip antenna AS-1887A/PRC-74. This is a 3.5mc to 18mc sectional whip with the adjustable coil load in the second section. All sections are joined by a cable running through them so assembly is a snap. Full whip is about 10 feet tall. Made by Hughes Aircraft Co. Brand new but not in original packaging. Original paint and instructions silk-screening in perfect shape. Color is olive drab. An outstanding HF whip antenna. $40

Four Old Headsets. These are typical headphones from the battery-set era. All have cloth cords with pin-jacks. All are in various stages of disrepair. $27 for all shipped to your door. There are 4 sets: Brandes Matched-Tone in excellent cosmetic shape but with one coil bad, Cannonball Dixie with good cord, el-cheapo metal headband and one non-working side, Tower Scientific Navy Type, looks good but untested, and WLS Special Headset 3000 ohms, dirty with chip in one earpiece, untested.

Navships 92121.2 Operators Handbook For Radio Transmitters AN/SRT-14, -15, -16 and "A" models, Federal Telegraph and Radio, 1955. This is an operators handbook only. There is no technical data or repair information. It has the original covers and is full of great photos. About 40 pages. Excellent condition. $15

"Ham RTTY", a book published by Wayne Green in 1963. 112 pages. This is a great reference to early RTTY with lots of diagrams and photos of all the old gear and original ham RTTY TU designs. The covers on this copy are in bad shape. But it is otherwise good and usable. $11 PPD

RTTY Magazine. Yes, I know these are out on CD but some of us still love the old paper issues. There are 57 issues here. All for $45 PPD.
	1958: 1,2,3,8,11,12
	1959: 3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12
	1960: 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
	1961: 1,2,6,7,8,9,11
	1962: 1,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,12
	1963: 2,3,4,5,6,9,10,11
	1964: 4,10
	1965: 3,5,6,7,8,9,11

Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Tue Oct 22 20:13:24 2002
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] KABAR K-2900 tubes
Message-ID: <20021023001324.4600.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com>

Anybody know what a KABAR K-2900  tube is? It is a
triode and I got 4 of them along with an HF-300. They
look notoriously like a replacement for an HF-300.

TNX
DE KA4JVY
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From W7QHO at aol.com  Tue Oct 22 21:45:24 2002
From: W7QHO at aol.com (W7QHO@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Collins 32RA Transmitter
Message-ID: <125.18bbc09e.2ae75934@aol.com>

All,

Looking for information on the Collins 32RA transmitter.   This is an HF rig 
designed to operate on 4 xtal (or ECO) fixed tuned channels in the range 1.5 
to 20 MHz.   Three 807s in parallel in the PA modulated by four 6L6s 
operating push-pull parallel.   The earliest reference I have been able to 
find is a 1939 QST advertisement, and I have been told that the rig was 
included in the Collins product line into the early 60s.   I have also been 
told that many units appeared in MARS channels in the 50s.   I would be 
grateful for any information on production life, quantities, models, 
military/government   and civilian usage and anything else readers might wish 
to pass along.   I have an original manual, BTW. 

I am currently restoring one of these transmitters at the Ft. MacArthur 
Museum in San Pedro, CA. The rig was used there in WW2 with a BC-779 receiver 
to communicate with a HQ element in San Bernardino, CA.   Also plan to do an 
article for ER.

Pictures available on request.

Dennis D.   W7QHO
Glendale, CA


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From garyschafer at attbi.com  Tue Oct 22 23:28:50 2002
From: garyschafer at attbi.com (Gary Schafer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Collins 32RA Transmitter
References: <125.18bbc09e.2ae75934@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DB61771.7A7C33D8@attbi.com>

Hi Dennis,

I didn't know about that one. I have a SSB point to point transceiver that has 4
fixed channels. It has circuitry similar to the KWM1 and KWM2. Rack mount and has
a pair of 6146s in the final. It uses a set of tunable plug in coils for each
channel. It is a 32RS1. I was told that less than about 15 or so of them were
ever sold.

73
Gary  K4FMX


W7QHO@aol.com wrote:

> All,
>
> Looking for information on the Collins 32RA transmitter.   This is an HF rig
> designed to operate on 4 xtal (or ECO) fixed tuned channels in the range 1.5
> to 20 MHz.   Three 807s in parallel in the PA modulated by four 6L6s
> operating push-pull parallel.   The earliest reference I have been able to
> find is a 1939 QST advertisement, and I have been told that the rig was
> included in the Collins product line into the early 60s.   I have also been
> told that many units appeared in MARS channels in the 50s.   I would be
> grateful for any information on production life, quantities, models,
> military/government   and civilian usage and anything else readers might wish
> to pass along.   I have an original manual, BTW.
>
> I am currently restoring one of these transmitters at the Ft. MacArthur
> Museum in San Pedro, CA. The rig was used there in WW2 with a BC-779 receiver
> to communicate with a HQ element in San Bernardino, CA.   Also plan to do an
> article for ER.
>
> Pictures available on request.
>
> Dennis D.   W7QHO
> Glendale, CA
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From w7ms at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 23 00:01:58 2002
From: w7ms at earthlink.net (mike student)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Collins 32RA Transmitter
References: <125.18bbc09e.2ae75934@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c27a48$efc93490$0a0a0a0a@west.sprint.com>

Howdy Dennis, I'm the owner of a ragged 32RA series 7 that was manufactured
in 1942 and bears the navships anchor inspection stamp. My unit is still on
the restoration back burner. I got it for the cost of shipping from AK. It
had sat in storage at a float plane hanger outside of Anchorage for years.
Maybe I should move it up to the front burner and verify if the Iron is
fuctional as that would determine if it's restorable or an organ doner.

                   73's Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <W7QHO@aol.com>
To: <milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>; <boatanchors@theporch.com>;
<amradio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Collins 32RA Transmitter


> All,
>
> Looking for information on the Collins 32RA transmitter.   This is an HF
rig
> designed to operate on 4 xtal (or ECO) fixed tuned channels in the range
1.5
> to 20 MHz.   Three 807s in parallel in the PA modulated by four 6L6s
> operating push-pull parallel.   The earliest reference I have been able to
> find is a 1939 QST advertisement, and I have been told that the rig was
> included in the Collins product line into the early 60s.   I have also
been
> told that many units appeared in MARS channels in the 50s.   I would be
> grateful for any information on production life, quantities, models,
> military/government   and civilian usage and anything else readers might
wish
> to pass along.   I have an original manual, BTW.
>
> I am currently restoring one of these transmitters at the Ft. MacArthur
> Museum in San Pedro, CA. The rig was used there in WW2 with a BC-779
receiver
> to communicate with a HQ element in San Bernardino, CA.   Also plan to do
an
> article for ER.
>
> Pictures available on request.
>
> Dennis D.   W7QHO
> Glendale, CA
>
>
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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 23 00:31:18 2002
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] KABAR K-2900 tubes
Message-ID: <F1237vWVhggnar7EHCs000096c0@hotmail.com>







>From: Mark Foltarz <Foltarz@rocketmail.com>
>
>Anybody know what a KABAR K-2900  tube is? It is a
>triode and I got 4 of them along with an HF-300. They
>look notoriously like a replacement for an HF-300.

It sounds like a HF-300.  Wonder if yours are any good?  These tubes are 
notorious for being duds, since nowadays  they are primarily used in rf 
heating devices, and are usually run until the output has dropped off 
substantially, leaving them useless for transmitter applications. In my 
experience, most used tubes at hamfests, etc run at about a 35-50% dud rate. 
  HF-300's and equivalents that I have acquired have run at a dud rate more 
like 85%.  I use these in my transmitter and always have an eye out for 
them.  I have seen a lot of them on e-Pay going at  ridiculous prices sold  
"as is".  I wouldn't buy one for any substantial sum of money unless I were 
assured a refund if the tubes weren't fully satisfactory.

Don

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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Wed Oct 23 11:24:37 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Need TS-164/AR Case
Message-ID: <20021023152305.14645.qmail@mellon.com>

I recently picked up a nice homebrew 80M/40M VFO built on the front panel (and using the tuning cap and mechanism) of a BC-221 frequency meter. But there is no case. I don't want to use one of those wooden or metal BC-221 cases with the handle on top. But a cabinet from a TS-164/AR would be perfect. The TS-164/AR was a cabinet for an airborne BC-221 that was designed to take its power from an outside source--like a BC-348 receiver. 

SO if anyone has a TS-164/AR case that they can let go of, I would appreciate hearing from you. It can even be hacked and drilled since this is homebrew!

Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

From merz.ds at mellon.com  Wed Oct 23 14:41:56 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes
Message-ID: <20021023184020.10637.qmail@mellon.com>

Thanks for all the good advice on cutting meter holes. I may have to find a friend with a drill press and fly cutter.

No, I am not a masochist. But I've had this homebrew 1930's rack panel transmitter sitting around for 2 years and couldn't take it any longer. I can't figure out what happened to it. It's a classic 30's rig with multiple 19" rack panels stacked 6 feet tall--antenna tuner, RF deck, exciter, modulator and several power supplies. 

But this rig had a bad accident sometime in the past. Some sort of acid spilled down the front of it and managed to completely trash 4 of the front panels. I am guessing that maybe the user had a wet-cell battery sitting on top of the rig and it cracked open or something. Then too, several of the panels had extra holes in them that were not, shall we say, attractive (hey, that's the story with homebrew!). 

But I finally was unable to keep looking at this sad thing and decided to create new front panels since my ample junk box had the sizes needed. Well, I am talking 1/8" thick steel and 3/32" steel. I got cobalt-tipped drill bits for the smaller holes and those worked great. But whoever built this thing was in love with meters and I ended up saber-sawing 7 meter holes. My hand was numb for 2 days afterward.

Now I still have 2 meter holes to go in the modulator panel and another meter hole needs cut for the Stancor 60P I am working on. But I just don't want to do them. 

By the way, I used some black wrinkle paint from Illinois Bronze on the panels when they were done--just spray can stuff. I cooked them under some halogen lamps that generate a lot of heat. They actually turned out great. I was shocked. I had been expecting a disaster. But they wrinkled up perfectly and the resulting finish looks sufficiently old-fashioned to keep the "1930's look". I am very pleased with that spray paint.

Meanwhile, I've set the finished panels aside while I spend my so-called "free time" on correcting a couple of antenna problems before the Pittsburgh weather turns any colder.

Thanks again for your replies and help. 
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


-----Original Message-----
From: Merz Donald S [mailto:merz.ds@mellon.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:12 AM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net; glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu;
greenkeys@mailman.qth.net; Old Tube Radios
Subject: GB> Cutting Meter Holes 


Question: How do you cut meter holes in panels, particularly heavy-gauge steel? I sometimes have to do this for restoration work and I dread it. I have been using my trusty saber-saw and blade-after-blade. Now I have 3 more holes to cut in 2 steel panels and I really don't want to do it. Is there a better way?

From merz.ds at mellon.com  Wed Oct 23 11:12:06 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Cutting Meter Holes
Message-ID: <20021023151029.2592.qmail@mellon.com>

Question: How do you cut meter holes in panels, particularly heavy-gauge steel? I sometimes have to do this for restoration work and I dread it. I have been using my trusty saber-saw and blade-after-blade. Now I have 3 more holes to cut in 2 steel panels and I really don't want to do it. Is there a better way?

From w4pnt at vaix.net  Wed Oct 23 16:04:46 2002
From: w4pnt at vaix.net (Dee Almquist)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Cutting Meter Holes
References: <20021023151029.2592.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c27acf$707db260$f7e5703f@w4pnt>

Try hi speed hole saw. This is what I do. Run it lo speed with lots of oil
or coolant to keep it from burning the blade. These are not cheap but they
sure do the job. On odd sizes I borrow friends Bridgeport mill with adj
cutter.
73 es Dee

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To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>;
<greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>; Old Tube Radios <boatanchors@theporch.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Cutting Meter Holes


Question: How do you cut meter holes in panels, particularly heavy-gauge
steel? I sometimes have to do this for restoration work and I dread it. I
have been using my trusty saber-saw and blade-after-blade. Now I have 3 more
holes to cut in 2 steel panels and I really don't want to do it. Is there a
better way?
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From kc4slk at csrlink.net  Wed Oct 23 16:30:47 2002
From: kc4slk at csrlink.net (Mike Sawyer)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Cutting Meter Holes
References: <20021023151029.2592.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <003501c27ad3$1377c660$ca332940@kc4slk>

Or you buy front panels with the holes already cut. 
Mike(y)
W3SLK
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To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>; <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>; <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>; "Old Tube Radios" <boatanchors@theporch.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Cutting Meter Holes


Question: How do you cut meter holes in panels, particularly heavy-gauge steel? I sometimes have to do this for restoration work and I dread it. I have been using my trusty saber-saw and blade-after-blade. Now I have 3 more holes to cut in 2 steel panels and I really don't want to do it. Is there a better way?
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From k4xm at dovelink.com  Wed Oct 23 18:22:47 2002
From: k4xm at dovelink.com (Mike Dorworth, K4XM)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] meter holes
Message-ID: <001401c27ae2$b85263c0$3ec09ad8@supercomputer>

I have made many meter holes in steel panels, the hard way. You simply mark and then drill all way round it with a sharp drill bit 3/32 or so, then using sharp nippers clip out the connecting material and then break rest on dotted line. When the piece is out you use a good half round file with fine teeth and smooth out the hole, it is time consuming but it looks FB. Aluminum is a snap whith proper sized hole saws and some Aluminum Magic cutting fluid. The "real McCoy" hole saws are the best. If you want to use them on steel you need something to hold the panel, Heavy pressure and lotsa oil and pressure and of course a 5/8"drill press. Hope this helps, Mike K4XM


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From W4AWM at aol.com  Wed Oct 23 23:25:12 2002
From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes
Message-ID: <160.1619fb87.2ae8c218@aol.com>

Hi Don,

Let us in on the secret, where did you find the paint?

Thanks and 73,

John,  W4AWM




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From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Thu Oct 24 00:23:03 2002
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes - Wrinkle Paint
In-Reply-To: <160.1619fb87.2ae8c218@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20021024042303.38966.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>

http://www.plastikote.com/plastikote/auto/template.jsp?product=WrinkleFinish

I buy it at the auto parts store.

DE KA4JVY
Mark

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> 
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> 
> John,  W4AWM
> 
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From W4AWM at aol.com  Thu Oct 24 02:24:52 2002
From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes - Wrinkle Paint
Message-ID: <1c7.86e91e.2ae8ec34@aol.com>

Hi Mark.

Thanks for the info.  I have been unable to find it around here but will look 
again.  I have an SX-23 on its way and I know the inside of the case needs 
some attention.

73, 

John,  W4AWM







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From bcarling at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct 24 05:32:13 2002
From: bcarling at cfl.rr.com (Brian Carling)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Stancor Transformer Question
In-Reply-To: <3DB6805A.5094.E011CA@localhost>
Message-ID: <3DB785DD.15225.346DDB@localhost>

Foes anyone know where to find the specifications on this large plate transformer?

Stancor Model 32C096

120V AC primary.

2500V CT at what I would guess is at least 1 Amp by the looks 
of this ferocious beast.

8" X 12" X 8" tall.

Do you have any specs on it?

I mostly need to know the current rating.


From saw at kans.com  Thu Oct 24 06:22:31 2002
From: saw at kans.com (Sara & Wayne Steiner)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes - Wrinkle Paint
References: <1c7.86e91e.2ae8ec34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c27b47$43f48cf0$31f6b8d1@yourczpl0pp1h9>

On the wrinkle paint .  I found that VHT makes a nice grey wrinkle paint
which can be found a some autoparts stores ( NAPA and Car-Quest). Platicoat
used to make the grey then discontinued it .  The VHT grey is very close to
the SX-23 color.

73
Wayne


From merz.ds at mellon.com  Thu Oct 24 09:36:33 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE Illinois Bronze Wrinkle Paint
Message-ID: <20021024133501.4657.qmail@mellon.com>

Well, okay, you caught me. I have had this Illinois Bronze black wrinkle paint on the shelf now for several years. 
I am not sure where I got it but I think it was Antique Electronic Supply.
However, AES is now selling a different brand of black wrinkle--VHT, I think--that I have not tried.
Here is the manufacturer information for Illinois Bronze if anyone wants to contact them directly:
Product ID: I337 JET BLACK WRINKLE, 53742

Name: ILLINOIS BRONZE

Address: 26300 FARGO AVE

City: BEDFORD HTS OH 44146

Info Phone Number: 216-292-7400

Emergency Phone Number: 216-292-7400


Name: ILLINOIS BRONZE PAINT COMPANY

Address: 300 EAST MAIN STREET

City: LAKE ZURICH IL 60047-2580

Phone: 800-228-5635
Good luck.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT
 
 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:25 PM
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Cc: merz.ds@mellon.com
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes


Hi Don, 

Let us in on the secret, where did you find the paint? 

Thanks and 73, 

John,  W4AWM 





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From W4AWM at aol.com  Thu Oct 24 15:31:20 2002
From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes - Wrinkle Paint
Message-ID: <39.2f09f5ee.2ae9a488@aol.com>

 

From W4AWM at aol.com  Thu Oct 24 15:32:02 2002
From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes - Wrinkle Paint
Message-ID: <14.c7d6bc.2ae9a4b2@aol.com>

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

73, John,  W4AWM


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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 27 23:35:17 2002
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE Illinois Bronze Wrinkle Paint
Message-ID: <F48zCWfbB1kOXXGQ3Wr00004afe@hotmail.com>







>From: "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
>... I have had this Illinois Bronze black wrinkle paint on the shelf now 
>for several years.
>I am not sure where I got it but I think it was Antique Electronic Supply.
>However, AES is now selling a different brand of black wrinkle--VHT, I 
>think--that I have not tried.

Thanks for posting the info.  I have tried the stuff AES sells now, and I 
think it sucks.  Very fine tight wrinkle finish, very flat, with no gloss.  
Makes the panel look like it is made out of graphite. It is about the same 
as the stuff you buy at automotive or motocycle shops for painting manifolds 
and headers.  The Illbronze that I used to paint my transmitter some 30 
years ago had a coarser texture and high gloss, more like the finish on 
older equipment.

Of course, there is no guarantee that Illbronze still uses the same formula 
they had 30 years ago, but it would be worth ordering a can and trying it 
out.

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From saw at kans.com  Mon Oct 28 17:45:41 2002
From: saw at kans.com (Sara & Wayne Steiner)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE Illinois Bronze Wrinkle Paint
References: <F48zCWfbB1kOXXGQ3Wr00004afe@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001601c27ed3$ddfefcb0$4df6b8d1@yourczpl0pp1h9>

Don

I have been using the VHT brand off and on for over two decades and have not
had a problem with it being flat or dull.  Making the wrinkle coarse or fine
depends on how much paint you put on, heavy or thin. Force drying it with an
application heat will tend to make it dull, however if it drys at ambient
room temp it will come out very glossy, although it will take one to three
hours. (actually to glossy for me so I usually let it dry in my green house
and let the sun do the initial work)

At least VHT offers the color grey which comes in handy at times.

Anyway after using this rattle can stuff for quite a while I have found it
all depends on how you apply it and how you dry it.

73
Wayne


From ne1s at netzero.net  Mon Oct 28 22:59:01 2002
From: ne1s at netzero.net (Larry Szendrei)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE Illinois Bronze Wrinkle Paint
References: <20021024133501.4657.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <3DBE0785.47564EDD@netzero.net>

I have had good luck with this product, with one notable exception - the
cans won't spray reliably!!! I usually have to frig & frag with
switching nozzels between cans, or swiping a nozzel off another brand of
spray paint entirely, to get any spray. Once I do, the resu;t is nice. I
wonder if anyone else has experienced this?

-Larry/NE1S

Merz Donald S wrote:
> 
> Well, okay, you caught me. I have had this Illinois Bronze black wrinkle paint on the shelf now for several years.
> I am not sure where I got it but I think it was Antique Electronic Supply.
> However, AES is now selling a different brand of black wrinkle--VHT, I think--that I have not tried.
> Here is the manufacturer information for Illinois Bronze if anyone wants to contact them directly:
> Product ID: I337 JET BLACK WRINKLE, 53742
> 
> Name: ILLINOIS BRONZE
> 
> Address: 26300 FARGO AVE
> 
> City: BEDFORD HTS OH 44146
> 
> Info Phone Number: 216-292-7400
> 
> Emergency Phone Number: 216-292-7400
> 
> Name: ILLINOIS BRONZE PAINT COMPANY
> 
> Address: 300 EAST MAIN STREET
> 
> City: LAKE ZURICH IL 60047-2580
> 
> Phone: 800-228-5635
> Good luck.
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> 
> 
> 
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:25 PM
> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Cc: merz.ds@mellon.com
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: Cutting Meter Holes
> 
> Hi Don,
> 
> Let us in on the secret, where did you find the paint?
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> John,  W4AWM
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From Scott.Freeberg at guidant.com  Tue Oct 29 09:33:00 2002
From: Scott.Freeberg at guidant.com (Freeberg, Scott (STP))
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE Illinois Bronze Wrinkle Paint
Message-ID: <42ECC21B33DFF245BAFAF57274BA5CE55807BC@stpmse04.ad.guidant.com>

Just a thought.  I recall that N0ALO used to sell special spray can nozzles at one time.  I don't know if Mike Shelton of Total Electronics sells those after buying the biz from N0ALO.    Maybe his nozzles were better or more consistant.  73, Scott WA9WFA

From merz.ds at mellon.com  Wed Oct 30 10:07:04 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
Message-ID: <20021030150542.13015.qmail@mellon.com>

Hi. I have a file drawer full of miscellaneous documentation that I want to get rid of. So all of the items below are free for postage. Unless it says "copy", these are originals. The number is my FILE number, not the quantity. I need the FILE NUMBER to find the damn thing. So please cut-and-paste your replies to make sure I get the file number. If more of one of an item is available, it will say "2 avail" or whatever at the end of the line.

Hope you find something you can use. Anything not claimed off of this list gets pitched.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


File		Item

5	"Aerovox Researhc Worker, Jan 1955"
5	Amp Supply LA-1000A diagram
4	Amrican Bosch 28 Riders copy
1	Antenna (brand unknown) 18V Mobile Vertical trapless antenna
1	Archer 21-940A Mag Mount 11/10M mobile whip antenna
4	"Astatic 10-C & 10-D inst sht copy,  5 avail"
5	"B&K 1470 oscilloscope diagram, parts"
1	B&W 600 dip meter man copy
3	Beckman 310 man copy
5	"Bogen CT-35, -60, -100 amp man"
5	CDE Tail Twister brochure
2	"CDR antenna rotors brochure, 1964"
5	CDR AR-22 inst sht
2	CDR TR-44 ham rotor svc man
3	"Collins 51J4 Technical Tips file, CCA and QST, etc, copy"
2	Craftsman Soldering Gin 146.53772 inst sht
2	"Cushcraft 3-5-6-10 Element 6M Bams man copy, 1960?"
2	Dentron All-Band Doublet manual
1	Ehophone EC-3 Riders copy
1	Emerson 805 inst sht
1	Emerson 811 inst sht
5	"ESE Digital Displays, catalog, 1973"
4	"Gonset Mobile Communications Equipment brochure copy, 1960?, 5 avail"
1	Gonset Super 12 man copy
2	Hallicrafters 5-t Riders copy
2	"Hallicrafters HT-19 preliminary instuctions, 7 availa"
2	"Hallicrafters S-41G/S-41W service data, 7 avail"
2	Hammarlund SP-400 Riers copy
1	Hamtronics 1977 small catalog
2	Hathkit T-4 man copy
2	Heathkit EF-1 man copy
2	Heathkit GD-125 Q-Multiplier man copy
3	Heathkit HR-20 man copy
1	Heathkit KS-1 Diagram
2	Heathkit SA-2040 partial man copy
2	Heathkit T-3 diagram parytial man copy
2	Hickok 288X Sig Gen Tst & Cal procedures copy
1	Hickok 292X man copy
4	"Hickok Catalog 31 copy, 1956?"
5	Hunter 2000C diagram
1	Hunter 2000C Linear Amplifier Brochuire
1	Hy-Gain 18AVT antenna manual
2	Hy-Gain BN-27 Balun inst sht
2	"Jemser Transistor Radio Servicing, 5 pages, 1959, typewritten"
5	JFD 1969 catalog
2	JFD Scoketes borchure
1	"Johnson Electronic T/R switch inst sht copy, 3 avail"
5	Kantronics KPC-3 brochure
5	"Kirk, Williams Quad antennas catalogs, parts, file full, 1984"
5	"KLM antenna catalog, 1979"
5	KLM KT-34A tribander man
1	Knight R/C tester man copy
5	"Koss Headphones brochure, 1970?"
1	Lafayette HE-30 man copy
2	"Mallory Vibrapacks brochure, 1955"
1	"Mercury 1100-1100A tube dester data book, 1967"
5	MFJ 16010 diagram
1	MFJ 1796 Vertical Antenna
5	MFJ 949C diagram
2	MFJ 986 Antenna Tuner op man
5	MFJ 989C diagram
1	MFJ CWF-2 CW Filter diagram
1	MFJ LSP-520BX Speech proc inst sht
1	"Military Equivalents of Civilian Receivers, AWA, copy, many avail"
2	Military LM-13 man copy
2	Military M--52/U microphone man/inst sht TB SIG 330
3	Military PRC-6 man copy
3	"Military PRC-8, -9, -10 Corrction Sheets 4,5,6,7"
2	Military SCR-194/195 man opy
3	Millen 90881 RF Power Amp inst sht copy
4	National NC-183D Tannenbaum man copy
1	National NC-240D man copy
5	"Olympic (Lear-Siegler) AM-FM Tuner Man copy, 2 avail"
1	Opto 8000 Frequency Counter Man Copy
4	Philco 37-10 console Riders copy & other info
4	Precision EV-10 VTVM Manual
1	Pyramid PS-35 Diagram
3	"Radio Characteristics of US Navy Service Airplanes, 1943, 12p, copy, 5 avail"
4	RCA 167-B Test Oscillator man
3	"RCA Ham Tips, May-June, 1947 copy, 2 avail"
2	"RCA Servicing Is Easy w/RCA VoltOhmyst copy, 3 avail"
2	"RCA WV-98C man copy, 3 avail"
3	Rider Chanalyst man copy
5	"Rohn fold-over towers, diagrams & data, 1979"
5	"Sams 1523--Sharp, Panasonic TVs"
5	"Silvertone 18, 20 sams"
5	Silvertone 6100 sams
2	Simpson 303 VTVM man opy
5	Stratovox 579-1-58A sams
1	"Strombrg Carlson TV K-21, K-2 Service Notes"
3	"Superior X-Rayometer manual, 1939"
5	Sutton 22B VHF/UHF TV signal Booster op man
5	Swan Mark I linear amp diagram
1	Teletype Bulletin 1074--Model 26 Part List. Fair.
1	Teletype Bulletin 158--Model 26 Description. Poor. Water Damage.
5	Telrex Rotor Indication System 500RIS diagram
3	"Thordarson 400-C Transormer Catalog copy, 1938"
4	"Thordarson 60 Watt 6L6 Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
4	"Thordarson Amateur Speech Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
4	"Thordarson Multiband Transmitter brochure copy of poor original, 1938, 2 avail"
4	"Thordarson Oscilloscope brochure copy,1938, 2 avail"
4	Thordarson Radio Service Guide 342-C copy
4	"Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344, copy"
4	"Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344-A, copy"
2	"Tristao Tower catalog 5-C, 1969"
5	"Tristao, Palmer Towers calaogs, manuals, file full, 1984"
5	"Unadilla catalog, 1984"
1	Varia KS-713 Multi-tester man 
5	"Veteran Wireless Operators Association Newsl, V12#3, 7-8--9/1988"
5	Watterson 4582 sams
1	WRL Globe V10 VFO W7FG Man copy
5	"Yaesu catalog FT-1000, FT-767GX, etc."
5	Yaesu Sp-102 inst sht
5	Zenith 4K035 sams
 	
END


From verne.anderson at worldnet.att.net  Wed Oct 30 10:48:01 2002
From: verne.anderson at worldnet.att.net (Verne Anderson)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
In-Reply-To: <20021030150542.13015.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <B9E53F31.913A%verne.anderson@worldnet.att.net>

Hi,

I would like the following items:

4    "Astatic 10-C & 10-D inst sht copy
1    Ehophone EC-3 Riders copy
2    Hammarlund SP-400 Riers copy
2    Hathkit T-4 man copy
2    Heathkit T-3 diagram parytial man copy
1    Hy-Gain 18AVT antenna manual
5    "Kirk, Williams Quad antennas catalogs, parts, file full, 1984"
5    "KLM antenna catalog, 1979"
5    KLM KT-34A tribander man
1    "Military Equivalents of Civilian Receivers, AWA, copy, many avail"
4    National NC-183D Tannenbaum man copy
4    Philco 37-10 console Riders copy & other info
3    "RCA Ham Tips, May-June, 1947 copy, 2 avail"
5    "Tristao, Palmer Towers calaogs, manuals, file full, 1984"
1    WRL Globe V10 VFO W7FG Man copy

73's
Verne Anderson
W6LPM

> From: "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds@mellon.com>
> Reply-To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:07:04 -0500
> To: <amradio@mailman.qth.net>, "baswaplist" <baswaplist@foothill.net>,
> <glowbugs@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>, <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>, "Old Tube
> Radios" <boatanchors@theporch.com>
> Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
> 
> Hi. I have a file drawer full of miscellaneous documentation that I want to
> get rid of. So all of the items below are free for postage. Unless it says
> "copy", these are originals. The number is my FILE number, not the quantity. I
> need the FILE NUMBER to find the damn thing. So please cut-and-paste your
> replies to make sure I get the file number. If more of one of an item is
> available, it will say "2 avail" or whatever at the end of the line.
> 
> Hope you find something you can use. Anything not claimed off of this list
> gets pitched.
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> 
> 
> File        Item
> 
> 5    "Aerovox Researhc Worker, Jan 1955"
> 5    Amp Supply LA-1000A diagram
> 4    Amrican Bosch 28 Riders copy
> 1    Antenna (brand unknown) 18V Mobile Vertical trapless antenna
> 1    Archer 21-940A Mag Mount 11/10M mobile whip antenna
> 4    "Astatic 10-C & 10-D inst sht copy,  5 avail"
> 5    "B&K 1470 oscilloscope diagram, parts"
> 1    B&W 600 dip meter man copy
> 3    Beckman 310 man copy
> 5    "Bogen CT-35, -60, -100 amp man"
> 5    CDE Tail Twister brochure
> 2    "CDR antenna rotors brochure, 1964"
> 5    CDR AR-22 inst sht
> 2    CDR TR-44 ham rotor svc man
> 3    "Collins 51J4 Technical Tips file, CCA and QST, etc, copy"
> 2    Craftsman Soldering Gin 146.53772 inst sht
> 2    "Cushcraft 3-5-6-10 Element 6M Bams man copy, 1960?"
> 2    Dentron All-Band Doublet manual
> 1    Ehophone EC-3 Riders copy
> 1    Emerson 805 inst sht
> 1    Emerson 811 inst sht
> 5    "ESE Digital Displays, catalog, 1973"
> 4    "Gonset Mobile Communications Equipment brochure copy, 1960?, 5 avail"
> 1    Gonset Super 12 man copy
> 2    Hallicrafters 5-t Riders copy
> 2    "Hallicrafters HT-19 preliminary instuctions, 7 availa"
> 2    "Hallicrafters S-41G/S-41W service data, 7 avail"
> 2    Hammarlund SP-400 Riers copy
> 1    Hamtronics 1977 small catalog
> 2    Hathkit T-4 man copy
> 2    Heathkit EF-1 man copy
> 2    Heathkit GD-125 Q-Multiplier man copy
> 3    Heathkit HR-20 man copy
> 1    Heathkit KS-1 Diagram
> 2    Heathkit SA-2040 partial man copy
> 2    Heathkit T-3 diagram parytial man copy
> 2    Hickok 288X Sig Gen Tst & Cal procedures copy
> 1    Hickok 292X man copy
> 4    "Hickok Catalog 31 copy, 1956?"
> 5    Hunter 2000C diagram
> 1    Hunter 2000C Linear Amplifier Brochuire
> 1    Hy-Gain 18AVT antenna manual
> 2    Hy-Gain BN-27 Balun inst sht
> 2    "Jemser Transistor Radio Servicing, 5 pages, 1959, typewritten"
> 5    JFD 1969 catalog
> 2    JFD Scoketes borchure
> 1    "Johnson Electronic T/R switch inst sht copy, 3 avail"
> 5    Kantronics KPC-3 brochure
> 5    "Kirk, Williams Quad antennas catalogs, parts, file full, 1984"
> 5    "KLM antenna catalog, 1979"
> 5    KLM KT-34A tribander man
> 1    Knight R/C tester man copy
> 5    "Koss Headphones brochure, 1970?"
> 1    Lafayette HE-30 man copy
> 2    "Mallory Vibrapacks brochure, 1955"
> 1    "Mercury 1100-1100A tube dester data book, 1967"
> 5    MFJ 16010 diagram
> 1    MFJ 1796 Vertical Antenna
> 5    MFJ 949C diagram
> 2    MFJ 986 Antenna Tuner op man
> 5    MFJ 989C diagram
> 1    MFJ CWF-2 CW Filter diagram
> 1    MFJ LSP-520BX Speech proc inst sht
> 1    "Military Equivalents of Civilian Receivers, AWA, copy, many avail"
> 2    Military LM-13 man copy
> 2    Military M--52/U microphone man/inst sht TB SIG 330
> 3    Military PRC-6 man copy
> 3    "Military PRC-8, -9, -10 Corrction Sheets 4,5,6,7"
> 2    Military SCR-194/195 man opy
> 3    Millen 90881 RF Power Amp inst sht copy
> 4    National NC-183D Tannenbaum man copy
> 1    National NC-240D man copy
> 5    "Olympic (Lear-Siegler) AM-FM Tuner Man copy, 2 avail"
> 1    Opto 8000 Frequency Counter Man Copy
> 4    Philco 37-10 console Riders copy & other info
> 4    Precision EV-10 VTVM Manual
> 1    Pyramid PS-35 Diagram
> 3    "Radio Characteristics of US Navy Service Airplanes, 1943, 12p, copy, 5
> avail"
> 4    RCA 167-B Test Oscillator man
> 3    "RCA Ham Tips, May-June, 1947 copy, 2 avail"
> 2    "RCA Servicing Is Easy w/RCA VoltOhmyst copy, 3 avail"
> 2    "RCA WV-98C man copy, 3 avail"
> 3    Rider Chanalyst man copy
> 5    "Rohn fold-over towers, diagrams & data, 1979"
> 5    "Sams 1523--Sharp, Panasonic TVs"
> 5    "Silvertone 18, 20 sams"
> 5    Silvertone 6100 sams
> 2    Simpson 303 VTVM man opy
> 5    Stratovox 579-1-58A sams
> 1    "Strombrg Carlson TV K-21, K-2 Service Notes"
> 3    "Superior X-Rayometer manual, 1939"
> 5    Sutton 22B VHF/UHF TV signal Booster op man
> 5    Swan Mark I linear amp diagram
> 1    Teletype Bulletin 1074--Model 26 Part List. Fair.
> 1    Teletype Bulletin 158--Model 26 Description. Poor. Water Damage.
> 5    Telrex Rotor Indication System 500RIS diagram
> 3    "Thordarson 400-C Transormer Catalog copy, 1938"
> 4    "Thordarson 60 Watt 6L6 Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
> 4    "Thordarson Amateur Speech Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
> 4    "Thordarson Multiband Transmitter brochure copy of poor original, 1938, 2
> avail"
> 4    "Thordarson Oscilloscope brochure copy,1938, 2 avail"
> 4    Thordarson Radio Service Guide 342-C copy
> 4    "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344, copy"
> 4    "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344-A, copy"
> 2    "Tristao Tower catalog 5-C, 1969"
> 5    "Tristao, Palmer Towers calaogs, manuals, file full, 1984"
> 5    "Unadilla catalog, 1984"
> 1    Varia KS-713 Multi-tester man
> 5    "Veteran Wireless Operators Association Newsl, V12#3, 7-8--9/1988"
> 5    Watterson 4582 sams
> 1    WRL Globe V10 VFO W7FG Man copy
> 5    "Yaesu catalog FT-1000, FT-767GX, etc."
> 5    Yaesu Sp-102 inst sht
> 5    Zenith 4K035 sams
> 
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From W4AWM at aol.com  Wed Oct 30 10:52:10 2002
From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
Message-ID: <165.15fa837a.2af15a2a@aol.com>

Hi Don,

I would very much appreciate one each of the following items.  I will be more 
than happy to pay the postage either in advance, or when the paperwork 
arrives:

 1  Ehophone EC-3 Riders copy> 
> 2    Hallicrafters 5-t Riders copy
2    "Hallicrafters HT-19 preliminary instuctions, 7 availa"
2    "Hallicrafters S-41G/S-41W service data, 7 avail"
1    "Johnson Electronic T/R switch inst sht copy, 3 avail"
1    "Military Equivalents of Civilian Receivers, AWA, copy, many avail
3    Millen 90881 RF Power Amp inst sht copy
2    "RCA Servicing Is Easy w/RCA VoltOhmyst copy, 3 avail"
2    "RCA WV-98C man copy, 3 avail"

My Mailing Address:
John H. Bauer
5612 Tilia Court
Burke, VA 22015-2033

You can send these marked "Media Mail" which will save some money.

Thanks again and 73,

John,  W4AWM


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From k6rix at arrl.net  Wed Oct 30 11:03:43 2002
From: k6rix at arrl.net (Dino Darling)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
In-Reply-To: <20021030150542.13015.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021030080244.0250cb10@mail.earthlink.net>

One man's trash is another man's treasure!  How true, how true!  There is 
some good stuff here!


At 10:07 AM 10/30/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi. I have a file drawer full of miscellaneous documentation that I want 
>to get rid of. So all of the items below are free for postage. Unless it 
>says "copy", these are originals. The number is my FILE number, not the 
>quantity. I need the FILE NUMBER to find the damn thing. So please 
>cut-and-paste your replies to make sure I get the file number. If more of 
>one of an item is available, it will say "2 avail" or whatever at the end 
>of the line.
>
>Hope you find something you can use. Anything not claimed off of this list 
>gets pitched.
>73, Don Merz, N3RHT
>
>
>File            Item
>
>5       "Aerovox Researhc Worker, Jan 1955"
>5       Amp Supply LA-1000A diagram
>4       Amrican Bosch 28 Riders copy
>1       Antenna (brand unknown) 18V Mobile Vertical trapless antenna
>1       Archer 21-940A Mag Mount 11/10M mobile whip antenna
>4       "Astatic 10-C & 10-D inst sht copy,  5 avail"
>5       "B&K 1470 oscilloscope diagram, parts"
>1       B&W 600 dip meter man copy
>3       Beckman 310 man copy
>5       "Bogen CT-35, -60, -100 amp man"
>5       CDE Tail Twister brochure
>2       "CDR antenna rotors brochure, 1964"
>5       CDR AR-22 inst sht
>2       CDR TR-44 ham rotor svc man
>3       "Collins 51J4 Technical Tips file, CCA and QST, etc, copy"
>2       Craftsman Soldering Gin 146.53772 inst sht
>2       "Cushcraft 3-5-6-10 Element 6M Bams man copy, 1960?"
>2       Dentron All-Band Doublet manual
>1       Ehophone EC-3 Riders copy
>1       Emerson 805 inst sht
>1       Emerson 811 inst sht
>5       "ESE Digital Displays, catalog, 1973"
>4       "Gonset Mobile Communications Equipment brochure copy, 1960?, 5 avail"
>1       Gonset Super 12 man copy
>2       Hallicrafters 5-t Riders copy
>2       "Hallicrafters HT-19 preliminary instuctions, 7 availa"
>2       "Hallicrafters S-41G/S-41W service data, 7 avail"
>2       Hammarlund SP-400 Riers copy
>1       Hamtronics 1977 small catalog
>2       Hathkit T-4 man copy
>2       Heathkit EF-1 man copy
>2       Heathkit GD-125 Q-Multiplier man copy
>3       Heathkit HR-20 man copy
>1       Heathkit KS-1 Diagram
>2       Heathkit SA-2040 partial man copy
>2       Heathkit T-3 diagram parytial man copy
>2       Hickok 288X Sig Gen Tst & Cal procedures copy
>1       Hickok 292X man copy
>4       "Hickok Catalog 31 copy, 1956?"
>5       Hunter 2000C diagram
>1       Hunter 2000C Linear Amplifier Brochuire
>1       Hy-Gain 18AVT antenna manual
>2       Hy-Gain BN-27 Balun inst sht
>2       "Jemser Transistor Radio Servicing, 5 pages, 1959, typewritten"
>5       JFD 1969 catalog
>2       JFD Scoketes borchure
>1       "Johnson Electronic T/R switch inst sht copy, 3 avail"
>5       Kantronics KPC-3 brochure
>5       "Kirk, Williams Quad antennas catalogs, parts, file full, 1984"
>5       "KLM antenna catalog, 1979"
>5       KLM KT-34A tribander man
>1       Knight R/C tester man copy
>5       "Koss Headphones brochure, 1970?"
>1       Lafayette HE-30 man copy
>2       "Mallory Vibrapacks brochure, 1955"
>1       "Mercury 1100-1100A tube dester data book, 1967"
>5       MFJ 16010 diagram
>1       MFJ 1796 Vertical Antenna
>5       MFJ 949C diagram
>2       MFJ 986 Antenna Tuner op man
>5       MFJ 989C diagram
>1       MFJ CWF-2 CW Filter diagram
>1       MFJ LSP-520BX Speech proc inst sht
>1       "Military Equivalents of Civilian Receivers, AWA, copy, many avail"
>2       Military LM-13 man copy
>2       Military M--52/U microphone man/inst sht TB SIG 330
>3       Military PRC-6 man copy
>3       "Military PRC-8, -9, -10 Corrction Sheets 4,5,6,7"
>2       Military SCR-194/195 man opy
>3       Millen 90881 RF Power Amp inst sht copy
>4       National NC-183D Tannenbaum man copy
>1       National NC-240D man copy
>5       "Olympic (Lear-Siegler) AM-FM Tuner Man copy, 2 avail"
>1       Opto 8000 Frequency Counter Man Copy
>4       Philco 37-10 console Riders copy & other info
>4       Precision EV-10 VTVM Manual
>1       Pyramid PS-35 Diagram
>3       "Radio Characteristics of US Navy Service Airplanes, 1943, 12p, 
>copy, 5 avail"
>4       RCA 167-B Test Oscillator man
>3       "RCA Ham Tips, May-June, 1947 copy, 2 avail"
>2       "RCA Servicing Is Easy w/RCA VoltOhmyst copy, 3 avail"
>2       "RCA WV-98C man copy, 3 avail"
>3       Rider Chanalyst man copy
>5       "Rohn fold-over towers, diagrams & data, 1979"
>5       "Sams 1523--Sharp, Panasonic TVs"
>5       "Silvertone 18, 20 sams"
>5       Silvertone 6100 sams
>2       Simpson 303 VTVM man opy
>5       Stratovox 579-1-58A sams
>1       "Strombrg Carlson TV K-21, K-2 Service Notes"
>3       "Superior X-Rayometer manual, 1939"
>5       Sutton 22B VHF/UHF TV signal Booster op man
>5       Swan Mark I linear amp diagram
>1       Teletype Bulletin 1074--Model 26 Part List. Fair.
>1       Teletype Bulletin 158--Model 26 Description. Poor. Water Damage.
>5       Telrex Rotor Indication System 500RIS diagram
>3       "Thordarson 400-C Transormer Catalog copy, 1938"
>4       "Thordarson 60 Watt 6L6 Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
>4       "Thordarson Amateur Speech Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
>4       "Thordarson Multiband Transmitter brochure copy of poor original, 
>1938, 2 avail"
>4       "Thordarson Oscilloscope brochure copy,1938, 2 avail"
>4       Thordarson Radio Service Guide 342-C copy
>4       "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344, copy"
>4       "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344-A, copy"
>2       "Tristao Tower catalog 5-C, 1969"
>5       "Tristao, Palmer Towers calaogs, manuals, file full, 1984"
>5       "Unadilla catalog, 1984"
>1       Varia KS-713 Multi-tester man
>5       "Veteran Wireless Operators Association Newsl, V12#3, 7-8--9/1988"
>5       Watterson 4582 sams
>1       WRL Globe V10 VFO W7FG Man copy
>5       "Yaesu catalog FT-1000, FT-767GX, etc."
>5       Yaesu Sp-102 inst sht
>5       Zenith 4K035 sams
>
>END
>
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Dino...k6rix@arrl.net


From tbigelow at pop.state.vt.us  Wed Oct 30 11:28:41 2002
From: tbigelow at pop.state.vt.us (Todd Bigelow - PS)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
References: <20021030150542.13015.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <3DC008B9.58FB8EF3@pop.state.vt.us>

I'd be happy to take the following of your hands, Don:

1       National NC-240D man copy

Been looking for an original for a while with no luck, so a copy will do. Nice radio, complete with speaker but no manual! Let me know the cost.

Thanks -

Todd,  KA1KAQ

Merz Donald S wrote:

> Hi. I have a file drawer full of miscellaneous documentation that I want to get rid of. So all of the items below are free for postage. Unless it says "copy", these are originals. The number is my FILE number, not the quantity. I need the FILE NUMBER to find the damn thing. So please cut-and-paste your replies to make sure I get the file number. If more of one of an item is available, it will say "2 avail" or whatever at the end of the line.
>
> Hope you find something you can use. Anything not claimed off of this list gets pitched.
> 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
>


From k6rix at arrl.net  Wed Oct 30 15:16:39 2002
From: k6rix at arrl.net (Dino Darling)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Southwestern Division Convention...
In-Reply-To: <3DC008B9.58FB8EF3@pop.state.vt.us>
References: <20021030150542.13015.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021030121019.023f2980@mail.earthlink.net>

Hello to everyone in the Southwestern Division and especially 
California!  I would like to know if this group would be interested in 
doing a forum on Am for the 2003 SWD Convention in Long Beach California 
next September?

http://www.hamcon.org

I know I personally would be interested in seeing a rack and a talk about 
AM!  You know as well as I that AM is the current fastest growing aspect of 
Amateur Radio.  A class-E transmitter would be really cool too!!!

I envision having a separate forum and a set up in the special event room 
on the 14th floor.  What a great opportunity to show the Amateur Radio 
Community the wonders of AM at an ARRL event!

We can discuss details off the list.  There is plenty of time to 
prepare.  Please let me know and I'm open to suggestions!

Thank You

Dino...k6rix@arrl.net


From Wmoenter at aol.com  Wed Oct 30 15:41:34 2002
From: Wmoenter at aol.com (Wmoenter@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
Message-ID: <12b.19f7a76e.2af19dfe@aol.com>

Hi Vern, I would like  item 4RCA 167B Test Oscillator Man. Thanks 
Bill. W2HUN


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From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 30 22:55:06 2002
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
Message-ID: <F10hC9vRrKWX1LGvjLc0000ebfd@hotmail.com>




Donald,

I would be interested in the following:

3       "Thordarson 400-C Transormer Catalog copy, 1938"
     4       "Thordarson 60 Watt 6L6 Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
     4       "Thordarson Amateur Speech Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
     4       "Thordarson Multiband Transmitter brochure copy of poor 
original, 1938, 2 avail"
     4       "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344, copy"
     4       "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344-A, copy"

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From ferrand at interdial.net  Wed Oct 30 13:17:41 2002
From: ferrand at interdial.net (Pete Ferrand)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
In-Reply-To: <20021030150542.13015.qmail@mellon.com>
Message-ID: <001901c28040$a328af50$43c16bd8@supermicro>

Hi Don:

Judging by the guys who've responded via the mailing list, you're
probably deluged by now. This is a neat offer...wouldn't it be nice if
we'd all list our manuals someplace and offer to make copies for cost of
that and postage....

Anyway, what appeals to me is:

3	Rider Chanalyst man copy
1	Opto 8000 Frequency Counter Man Copy
1	MFJ CWF-2 CW Filter diagram


If others before have claimed and if you feel like having them
photocopied I would be happy to pay the copying cost, obviously you have
not represented you would do this and I'm expecting you don't want to,
and it's no big deal. 

I've lived without these this long...incidentally the counter I must
have had for 15 years now and came out of a surplus gear sale of the
private junk of Wayne Greene of 73, Byte, etc. The MFJ I just hooked up
Sunday and has a weird distortion so a look at the print would help.
Chanalyst has been waiting for years for a manual I can afford.

Thanks and 73,

-Pete, WB2QLL

Pete Ferrand
1506 NH Route 4A
Enfield, NH 03748-3912
(603)632-5707







From merz.ds at mellon.com  Thu Oct 31 09:44:26 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
Message-ID: <20021031144505.8252.qmail@mellon.com>

Sorry to say that this stuff is all gone.
Thanks anyway.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT


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Donald,

I would be interested in the following:

3       "Thordarson 400-C Transormer Catalog copy, 1938"
     4       "Thordarson 60 Watt 6L6 Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
     4       "Thordarson Amateur Speech Amp brochure copy, 1938, 2 avail"
     4       "Thordarson Multiband Transmitter brochure copy of poor 
original, 1938, 2 avail"
     4       "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344, copy"
     4       "Thordarson Transmitter & Power Amplifier Guide 344-A, copy"

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From merz.ds at mellon.com  Thu Oct 31 10:04:39 2002
From: merz.ds at mellon.com (Merz Donald S)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage ALL GONE
Message-ID: <20021031150352.24398.qmail@mellon.com>

Holy internet address Batman!--You've got mail! 130 replies and counting. About 100 came yesterday. I went through all of those last night and parceled out the stuff as fairly as I could. But I'm afraid that many people will be disappointed. 

If you sent me your mailing address along with your list and I have anything for you, then you will receive the stuff in the mail along with payment instructions for the postage. 

If you did not send me your address and I have something for you, you will be hearing from me. 

If I do not have anything left for you, you will get an e-mail from me saying so. 

So everyone will be hearing from me one way or another. This will take a week or so--so please be patient. The first six or 7 packages are going out today. I will get to the e-mails as quickly as possible.

Those of you who need manuals for your National NC-240D and NC-183D, I urge you to patronize our worthy manual suppliers--W7FG, A.G. Tannenbaum, The Manual Man and etc. They deserve your support and we want to keep them around.

Finally, I want to thank you for helping me empty out my file drawer--an available file drawer is a beautiful thing. Virtually every single item I listed was requested by someone. I find that amazing. Imagine the breadth of interests that must exist among this group of folks in order to want to read everything from Aerovox to Zenith! Crazy. And very cool.

Thanks.
73, Don Merz, N3RHT

From Wmoenter at aol.com  Thu Oct 31 10:52:45 2002
From: Wmoenter at aol.com (Wmoenter@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] Free For Postage
Message-ID: <168.1667d8c6.2af2abcd@aol.com>

Sorry I got your name wrong in all the rush Don.If my request is still 
available, my 
Qth is   William Moenter
            1060 Yellowbank Rd.
             Toms River, N.J. 00753
Thanks, W2HUN


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From ryoung at calhealth.org  Thu Oct 31 13:03:45 2002
From: ryoung at calhealth.org (Roy Young)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] mailing list
Message-ID: <639A01879B38D2119ADE080009DF9E5002EA630F@exchange.calhealth.org>

Please ad me to your list, I do not have a license yet but I do not send
spam.
Thanks, Roy

From k4kyv at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 31 15:42:51 2002
From: k4kyv at hotmail.com (Donald Chester)
Date: Sun May 13 13:26:18 2007
Subject: [AMRadio] RE Illinois Bronze Wrinkle Paint
Message-ID: <F139RcEhkVH1wfHGxFD00014174@hotmail.com>





... Making the wrinkle coarse or fine
>depends on how much paint you put on, heavy or thin. Force drying it with 
>an
>application heat will tend to make it dull, however if it drys at ambient
>room temp it will come out very glossy, although it will take one to three
>hours. (actually to glossy for me so I usually let it dry in my green house
>and let the sun do the initial work)

It's been  my experience that letting it dry at room temperature results in 
big patches  that don't wrinkle.  Wx permitting sun drying works well.  
Otherwise I apply some external
heat to make the texture uniform.

Does anyone know  how they produced wrinkle finish in the old days before 
the 'advent of  aerosol cans and speciality paints?  I have noticed a 
distinct difference between pre WWII finish and present day finish.

Don K4KYV
>
>At least VHT offers the color grey which comes in handy at times.
>
>Anyway after using this rattle can stuff for quite a while I have found it
>all depends on how you apply it and how you dry it.
>
>73
>Wayne
>
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