[Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] Fw: [WWDM] Meshtastic in Vienna first baby steps

Ian iann8ik at gmail.com
Fri Mar 22 14:02:38 EDT 2024 

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73, Ian N8IK


On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 12:29 PM Joe K <joek at 26xx.org> wrote:

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> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 12:04, Ian <iann8ik at gmail.com
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> 73, Ian N8IK
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> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:53 AM Joe K <joek at 26xx.org> wrote:
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>> Hey folks, for anyone looking to learn more about meshtastic, VWS is
>> hosting a meeting today (it’s in the middle of most people’s work days but
>> I figured I’d send it out anyway), this is a great opportunity to learn a
>> bit about meshtastic and what is happening with it in the nova region
>>
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com>
>> > Date: On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 09:20
>> > Subject: Fw: [WWDM] Meshtastic in Vienna first baby steps
>> > To: David Edewaard <dedewaard at cox.net>,Jacek Radzikowski <
>> jacek.radzikowski at gmail.com>,Rick Neifeld <richardneifeld at gmail.com>, <
>> rcmahoney at verizon.net>,Joe K <joek at 26xx.org>,Fletcher Veitch <
>> fletcher.veitch at gmail.com>,cc: Pete Norloff <pnorloff05 at toward.com>,Ray
>> kester <RayKLC at ktronicslc.com>, <
>> vws-weirdnwacky-digital-modes at googlegroups.com>,Andrew Doane <
>> adoane at w3.net>,Brendan O'Neill <km4hrr at gmail.com>,Steve Nagy <
>> stnagy at gmail.com>,Lou Ward <lfranklinward at gmail.com>,Lewis Mead <
>> lew at autographa2d.com>,VWS Board of Directors and Officers <
>> vws-board-of-directors-and-officers at googlegroups.com>,Mike Aimone <
>> aimonema at aol.com>,Mike Dannhardt <mdannhardt at gmail.com>
>> > Cc:
>> >
>> > Zoom today at 2:00 for anyone interested.
>> >
>> > [
>> ](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://bit.ly/Weird-Wacky-Digi-Net&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw2PpprEDylrk1L8vFlk5YVV)
>> <https://bit.ly/Weird-Wacky-Digi-Net%5D(https://www.google.com/url?q=https://bit.ly/Weird-Wacky-Digi-Net&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw2PpprEDylrk1L8vFlk5YVV)>
>> >
>> > (Host code is 857565)
>> >
>> > Agenda:
>> >
>> > - Say hello and tell us where you are in meshtastic node
>> deployment/management
>> > - share configurations and try to develop a common vienna Phase I
>> config (common, easy, slow, proof of concept), Channel 0 long/fast vs 9
>> long-mod
>> > - short discussion: how does Vienna evolution mesh with Nova-Meshtastic
>> Groups.io, area integration (Arlington, Vienna, Centerville)
>> > - VWS American Legion Antenna Mast deployment ideas
>> >
>> > - rules: no climbing, lanyard fine
>> > - Lanyard with sled for some offset
>> > - Power
>> > - Temp trial/proof of concept
>> > - how to evaluate
>> > - discuss communication options:
>> >
>> > - discord/meshtastic channel
>> > - create new google groups (like WWDN group) for Vienna Meshtastic
>> > - talk about next steps
>> >
>> > - weekly zoom (no more meetings! hahah)
>> > - physical meetup ideas:
>> >
>> > - Normal Tuesday lunch @ PJ Skidoos in Fairfax
>> > - vienna inn in Vienna
>> > - Tysons (wholefoods @ mosaic upstairs at bar/workspace area
>> > - Mosaic astroturf center/coffee shop
>> >
>> > Don
>> > km4udx
>> > 571`-225-6180
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 7:45 AM David Edewaard <dedewaard at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Great idea.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 21, 2024, at 11:24 PM, Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> 
>> >>> We can build a pvc pipe sled and a box to hold the works away from
>> the tower frame.
>> >>>
>> >>> I got these today. But not able to connect and configure. Gurrrrr….
>> >>>
>> >>> <image_6209779.JPG>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 6:56 PM David Edewaard <dedewaard at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Don,
>> >>>> I will verify that the lanyard works tomorrow. If you want to run a
>> 5vdc power cable up 50-75ft, we need to make sure the gauge of the wire is
>> sufficient not to cause too much resistance loss.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The antenna needs to be at some distance from tower members, at
>> least a several wavelengths. I’m not sure at this point how to do that.
>> Antennas are usually mounted on metal arms offset from the tower.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dave E.
>> >>>> W4DOE
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Yes, lets try your unit Joe.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Goal is to hoist it up the lanyard and see how it goes.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If we have a long 3.3/5/12 supply up the tower, lanyard, can we use
>> local wifi for remote control?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Are you happy with your antenna for outside operation?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I also ordered the amp.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Don
>> >>>>> <IMG_3659.jpg>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 5:59 PM Joe K <joek at 26xx.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have four on hand if you’d like to test sooner, my 915 nodes are
>> limited right now but I have at least two iirc.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Kd2hzg
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 15:38, Jacek Radzikowski <[
>> jacek.radzikowski at gmail.com](mailto:On+Thu,+Mar+21,+2024+at+15:38,+Jacek+Radzikowski+%3C%3Ca+href=)>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I've just ordered the amp. One it arrives, we can see how it
>> works.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jacek
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 at 14:49, Joe K <joek at 26xx.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> FYI even with a rak wireless or tlora we can push up to 4w with
>> these little BDAs a buddy found on AliExpress
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqvAqh0
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I’m not saying don’t get the station g2 but, there are other
>> options. I would definitely encourage posting questions and ideas to the
>> groups.io to build it out.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 14:01, Don Taylor <[dontay155 at gmail.com
>> ](mailto:On+Thu,+Mar+21,+2024+at+14:01,+Don+Taylor+%3C%3Ca+href=)> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Lets get something, anything up. We can get 3.3, or 5 or 12v
>> out to the base of the tower.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Don't fret ref db output. In ham mode, we have flexibility. I
>> don't think many folks read the NoVa Meshtastic group.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Did you order the Station G2? Should I order it?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 1:50 PM David O Edewaard <
>> dedewaard at cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Don,
>> >>>>>>>>>> I ordered my personal Meshtastic node hardware (Lilygo
>> T-beam), although I paid twice its original cost. Nonetheless I need to
>> jump in to understand what you all are conversing about. The board should
>> arrive in mid-April.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m trying to understand what power we (VWS) can transmit by
>> using the Station G2 transceiver. Apparently we are limited by the FCC to
>> 36dBm ERP for unlicensed operation in the 915MHz band. The max power out of
>> the Station G2 transceiver is 36dBm — adjustable. If we put the antenna at
>> the top of the tower with good low-loss coax our max ERP is 36dBm +5dB -4dB
>> = 37dBm (transceiver power out + antenna gain - cable/connector losses =
>> ERP). This is over the max (although likely optimistic), but apparently it
>> gives us some flexibility — i.e. going with a lower gain antenna. Our first
>> step could be just buying the Station G-2 transceiver (
>> https://www.tindie.com/products/neilhao/meshtastic-mesh-device-station-g2/)
>> and using shore power and an inexpensive low gain antenna located near the
>> base of the tower and mounted on or in the shed (antenna on outside.) Of
>> course, this assumes there is power out to the shed. This first step would
>> only cost about $140. What do you think? It would seem that at least the
>> Vienna Meshtastic users will initially benefit and we would get a feel for
>> how well the thing operates.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m not sure anyone in the NoVa Meshtastic group saw my
>> originally suggested alternatives and the cost spreadsheet.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Dave
>> >>>>>>>>>> W4DOE
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 9:19 PM, Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> So it seems I should NOT use the Ham setting so I can see the
>> widest mesh?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here are some config details from the westward mesh...would
>> they be best for Vienna operations as well?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Region: US –
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Preset: Long Range – Moderate –
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Channel: 9 (903.0625 MHz at 208 channel spread) –
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Transmit: Enabled –
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Device Role: Client –
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rebroadcast Mode: All
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the help!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 9:21 AM David KK4ZUU <
>> kk4zuu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Don,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you running at meshtastic defaults? This may help you
>> initially find other users in your area; another option is to take your
>> node for a ride when you run errands and perhaps, you'll stumble across
>> another node. You may want to set your node name to an email address you
>> don't mind being public until you join a mesh of users.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> meshtastic defaults:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Long_Fast
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max Hops = 3
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Channel 1 (Primary)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Helpful References:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Getting Started -
>> https://meshtastic.org/docs/getting-started/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ->If you are running in ham mode (Is Licensed), you can only
>> see other nodes configured as a ham node (and on the same Channel and
>> Frequency as you)<-
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 73, David kk4zuu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _._,_._,_
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 571-225-6180
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
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>> >>>>>>>>> Don
>> >>>>>>>>> 571-225-6180
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
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>> >>>>>>> Given a choice between two theories, take the one which is funnier
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> Don
>> >>>>> 571-225-6180
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>> >>> Don
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>> > Don
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