[Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] Fw: [WWDM] Meshtastic in Vienna first baby steps

Fri Mar 22 12:04:41 EDT 2024

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73, Ian N8IK

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:53 AM Joe K <joek at 26xx.org> wrote:

> Hey folks, for anyone looking to learn more about meshtastic, VWS is
> hosting a meeting today (it’s in the middle of most people’s work days but
> I figured I’d send it out anyway), this is a great opportunity to learn a
> bit about meshtastic and what is happening with it in the nova region
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com>
> > Date: On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 09:20
> > Subject: Fw: [WWDM] Meshtastic in Vienna first baby steps
> > To: David Edewaard <dedewaard at cox.net>,Jacek Radzikowski <
> jacek.radzikowski at gmail.com>,Rick Neifeld <richardneifeld at gmail.com>, <
> rcmahoney at verizon.net>,Joe K <joek at 26xx.org>,Fletcher Veitch <
> fletcher.veitch at gmail.com>,cc: Pete Norloff <pnorloff05 at toward.com>,Ray
> kester <RayKLC at ktronicslc.com>, <
> vws-weirdnwacky-digital-modes at googlegroups.com>,Andrew Doane <
> adoane at w3.net>,Brendan O'Neill <km4hrr at gmail.com>,Steve Nagy <
> stnagy at gmail.com>,Lou Ward <lfranklinward at gmail.com>,Lewis Mead <
> lew at autographa2d.com>,VWS Board of Directors and Officers <
> vws-board-of-directors-and-officers at googlegroups.com>,Mike Aimone <
> aimonema at aol.com>,Mike Dannhardt <mdannhardt at gmail.com>
> > Cc:
> >
> > Zoom today at 2:00 for anyone interested.
> >
> > [
> https://bit.ly/Weird-Wacky-Digi-Net](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://bit.ly/Weird-Wacky-Digi-Net&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw2PpprEDylrk1L8vFlk5YVV)
> >
> > (Host code is 857565)
> >
> > Agenda:
> >
> > - Say hello and tell us where you are in meshtastic node
> deployment/management
> > - share configurations and try to develop a common vienna Phase I config
> (common, easy, slow, proof of concept), Channel 0 long/fast vs 9 long-mod
> > - short discussion: how does Vienna evolution mesh with Nova-Meshtastic
> Groups.io, area integration (Arlington, Vienna, Centerville)
> > - VWS American Legion Antenna Mast deployment ideas
> >
> > - rules: no climbing, lanyard fine
> > - Lanyard with sled for some offset
> > - Power
> > - Temp trial/proof of concept
> > - how to evaluate
> > - discuss communication options:
> >
> > - discord/meshtastic channel
> > - create new google groups (like WWDN group) for Vienna Meshtastic
> > - talk about next steps
> >
> > - weekly zoom (no more meetings! hahah)
> > - physical meetup ideas:
> >
> > - Normal Tuesday lunch @ PJ Skidoos in Fairfax
> > - vienna inn in Vienna
> > - Tysons (wholefoods @ mosaic upstairs at bar/workspace area
> > - Mosaic astroturf center/coffee shop
> >
> > Don
> > km4udx
> > 571`-225-6180
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 7:45 AM David Edewaard <dedewaard at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Great idea.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 21, 2024, at 11:24 PM, Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 
> >>> We can build a pvc pipe sled and a box to hold the works away from the
> tower frame.
> >>>
> >>> I got these today. But not able to connect and configure. Gurrrrr….
> >>>
> >>> <image_6209779.JPG>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 6:56 PM David Edewaard <dedewaard at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Don,
> >>>> I will verify that the lanyard works tomorrow. If you want to run a
> 5vdc power cable up 50-75ft, we need to make sure the gauge of the wire is
> sufficient not to cause too much resistance loss.
> >>>>
> >>>> The antenna needs to be at some distance from tower members, at least
> a several wavelengths. I’m not sure at this point how to do that. Antennas
> are usually mounted on metal arms offset from the tower.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave E.
> >>>> W4DOE
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Yes, lets try your unit Joe.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Goal is to hoist it up the lanyard and see how it goes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If we have a long 3.3/5/12 supply up the tower, lanyard, can we use
> local wifi for remote control?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you happy with your antenna for outside operation?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also ordered the amp.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don
> >>>>> <IMG_3659.jpg>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 5:59 PM Joe K <joek at 26xx.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I have four on hand if you’d like to test sooner, my 915 nodes are
> limited right now but I have at least two iirc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kd2hzg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 15:38, Jacek Radzikowski <[
> jacek.radzikowski at gmail.com](mailto:On+Thu,+Mar+21,+2024+at+15:38,+Jacek+Radzikowski+%3C%3Ca+href=)>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've just ordered the amp. One it arrives, we can see how it works.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jacek
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 at 14:49, Joe K <joek at 26xx.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FYI even with a rak wireless or tlora we can push up to 4w with
> these little BDAs a buddy found on AliExpress
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqvAqh0
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I’m not saying don’t get the station g2 but, there are other
> options. I would definitely encourage posting questions and ideas to the
> groups.io to build it out.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 14:01, Don Taylor <[dontay155 at gmail.com
> ](mailto:On+Thu,+Mar+21,+2024+at+14:01,+Don+Taylor+%3C%3Ca+href=)> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Lets get something, anything up. We can get 3.3, or 5 or 12v out
> to the base of the tower.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Don't fret ref db output. In ham mode, we have flexibility. I
> don't think many folks read the NoVa Meshtastic group.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Did you order the Station G2? Should I order it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 1:50 PM David O Edewaard <
> dedewaard at cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Don,
> >>>>>>>>>> I ordered my personal Meshtastic node hardware (Lilygo T-beam),
> although I paid twice its original cost. Nonetheless I need to jump in to
> understand what you all are conversing about. The board should arrive in
> mid-April.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m trying to understand what power we (VWS) can transmit by
> using the Station G2 transceiver. Apparently we are limited by the FCC to
> 36dBm ERP for unlicensed operation in the 915MHz band. The max power out of
> the Station G2 transceiver is 36dBm — adjustable. If we put the antenna at
> the top of the tower with good low-loss coax our max ERP is 36dBm +5dB -4dB
> = 37dBm (transceiver power out + antenna gain - cable/connector losses =
> ERP). This is over the max (although likely optimistic), but apparently it
> gives us some flexibility — i.e. going with a lower gain antenna. Our first
> step could be just buying the Station G-2 transceiver (
> https://www.tindie.com/products/neilhao/meshtastic-mesh-device-station-g2/)
> and using shore power and an inexpensive low gain antenna located near the
> base of the tower and mounted on or in the shed (antenna on outside.) Of
> course, this assumes there is power out to the shed. This first step would
> only cost about $140. What do you think? It would seem that at least the
> Vienna Meshtastic users will initially benefit and we would get a feel for
> how well the thing operates.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m not sure anyone in the NoVa Meshtastic group saw my
> originally suggested alternatives and the cost spreadsheet.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>>> W4DOE
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 9:19 PM, Don Taylor <dontay155 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So it seems I should NOT use the Ham setting so I can see the
> widest mesh?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Here are some config details from the westward mesh...would
> they be best for Vienna operations as well?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Region: US –
> >>>>>>>>>>> Preset: Long Range – Moderate –
> >>>>>>>>>>> Channel: 9 (903.0625 MHz at 208 channel spread) –
> >>>>>>>>>>> Transmit: Enabled –
> >>>>>>>>>>> Device Role: Client –
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rebroadcast Mode: All
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the help!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 9:21 AM David KK4ZUU <kk4zuu at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Don,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you running at meshtastic defaults? This may help you
> initially find other users in your area; another option is to take your
> node for a ride when you run errands and perhaps, you'll stumble across
> another node. You may want to set your node name to an email address you
> don't mind being public until you join a mesh of users.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> meshtastic defaults:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Long_Fast
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max Hops = 3
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Channel 1 (Primary)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Helpful References:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Getting Started -
> https://meshtastic.org/docs/getting-started/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ->If you are running in ham mode (Is Licensed), you can only
> see other nodes configured as a ham node (and on the same Channel and
> Frequency as you)<-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 73, David kk4zuu
> >>>>>>>>>>>> _._,_._,_
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> _._,_._,_
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Don
> >>>>>>>>>>> 571-225-6180
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Don
> >>>>>>>>> 571-225-6180
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Given a choice between two theories, take the one which is funnier
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don
> >>>>> 571-225-6180
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Don
> >>> 571-225-6180
> >
> > --
> >
> > Don
> > 571-225-6180
> >
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