[Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
Michael Osborne
strongbird41 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 11 12:56:30 EDT 2023
I concur.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, 12:49 PM Brian Stevenson <bbbstevenson at aol.com> wrote:
> I hereby second the motion brought forth by Joe KT3I in the email below.
> Brian KE4WGI
>
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> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:40 AM, Rich Adamy
> <ka4gfy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also agree.
>
> The club members were never asked if they wanted to apply for
> tax-exempt status and which form of tax-exempt status the club should
> apply for.
>
> Rich Adamy
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:22 AM Michael Osborne <strongbird41 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Agree
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, 10:26 AM Joe Porcelli <porcej at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy folks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope ya’ll are doing well. I'm now super confused as to what's going
> on
> > > with the proposed changes to the Articles of Incorporation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After a careful review of Roberts Rules of Order I recommend the
> following
> > > course of action:
> > >
> > > - Strike the vote on the proposed Articles of Incorporation
> > > - A motion be made to empower a committee to investigate non-profit
> > > status with following parameters:
> > > - The committee members should be named in the meeting and include
> > > the president.
> > > - Defined scope to seeking 501(c)3 or 501(c)7 status (or whatever
> > > scope you feel is relevant)
> > > - Defined time whatever time frame you feel appropriate (I would
> > > suggest between 1 and 3 months)
> > > - At the end of the allotted time, the committee presents a
> proposal
> > > with accompanying reasoning to the general membership. That
> > > proposal could
> > > be one of the following:
> > > - Status quo - the committee recommends maintaining course
> with
> > > the organization.
> > > - Seek 501(c)3 status - The committee recommends
> reincorporating
> > > as a 501(c)3 corporation and why
> > > - The committee should also recommend a path towards
> > > reincorporating as a 501(c)3 organization (proposed
> Articles of
> > > Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the
> > > same
> > > - Seek 501(c)7 status - The committee recommends
> reincorporating
> > > as a 501(c)7 corporation and why
> > > - The committee should also recommend a path towards
> > > reincorporating as a 501(c)7 organization (proposed
> Articles of
> > > Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the
> > > same
> > > - Once presented at a general membership meeting, a motion
> should
> > > be made to vote on the committee's proposal. If the proposal
> > > includes
> > > changes to the organization's defining documents, then the vote
> > > should be
> > > scheduled for a future meeting and the documents made available to
> > > the
> > > general membership for review. If the committee's proposal is to
> > > move
> > > forward in some other way (seek legal counsel etc) a review period
> > > may or
> > > may not be appropriate and the vote could occur straight away.
> > >
> > > To be clear, I don't have an issue with the proposed changes to the
> > > Articles of Incorporation. I do however feel the process undertaken
> thus
> > > far is flawed and that the membership should get a seat at a table that
> > > decides what our Organization will look like in the future.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Joe, KT3I
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 9:13 AM <don.ki4d at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bob - appreciate your comments. I have often remembered how we
> wisely
> > > took
> > > > a pause to consider your comments about the revisions to the bylaws
> in
> > > > 2020-2021 when I was president. Thanks to you for that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will try to answer your question, which I consider very valid. At
> the
> > > > outset Sean, I, and others had assumptions that the proposal was a
> "no
> > > > brainer," meaning that the assumption was "who could be against
> > > tax-exempt
> > > > status," so we figured if we did our homework with the board, it
> would
> > > fly
> > > > right through with membership. After all, in taxes and for tax
> return
> > > > preparation, we pay out about one-fourth of our annual income from
> club
> > > > dues; and with tax-exempt status (501(c)(3) we would become eligible
> for
> > > > grants from the ARRL and the City of Alexandria to help fund club
> > > equipment
> > > > and other needs in the future. The proxies were constructed with that
> > > > optimism and
> > > >
> > > > thought process in mind. Obviously, that is not the situation we are
> > > > facing
> > > > now with the misleading and alarming information that has been
> circulated
> > > > about the articles. The tax-exempt status is no longer a
> "no-brainer"
> > > with
> > > > some people..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, my advice to everyone is to wait for the outcomes of meetings
> about
> > > the
> > > > proposal before voting, while we get to the bottom of things.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > >
> > > > Don, KI4D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Bob Brickner <BBrickner at gbbinc.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:42 AM
> > > > To: don.ki4d at gmail.com; 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org>;
> > > 'Alexandria
> > > > Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net>; 'President
> (W4HFH)'
> > > > <President at w4hfh.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only]
> Proxy
> > > > Form
> > > > for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don, thanks for the update about the process. But I am really
> confused
> > > now.
> > > > If the intent is to solicit member input and have a good debate about
> > > > issues, and then consider such to redraft the document for another
> > > meeting
> > > > (maybe two), why are Proxy votes being submitted on the current
> draft for
> > > > Friday night if that is not the final document? Was the process for
> > > > handling
> > > > this proposed revision clearly described to all members and being
> done in
> > > > accordance with the current charter? Thanks, Bob Brickner KM4TZZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > > > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> > > > <alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > > > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net> > on behalf of
> > > > don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> <don.ki4d at gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> >
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:01:00 AM
> > > > To: 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> >;
> > > > 'Alexandria Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net
> > > > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> >; 'President (W4HFH)'
> > > > <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> >
> > > > Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only]
> Proxy
> > > > Form
> > > > for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Ken - your concerns are valid. However, there never was a
> plan
> > > to
> > > > put all of the words in the articles "in concrete" and only allow
> voting
> > > on
> > > > the existing words; hence, the articles ae still in draft. That
> thought
> > > > never even occurred to me. In the corporate and business model,
> there is
> > > > an
> > > > orderly process that allows for discussions of proposals before
> voting by
> > > > membership, which includes changes if there a consensus. That is
> exactly
> > > > what we were attempting to do. There was a preemptive strike on the
> > > > proposal with misleading and alarming information before it was
> released,
> > > > so
> > > > that is where we are now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can assure you that all of this will be addressed fully at the
> meeting
> > > on
> > > > Friday, and if not, continuing on following meeting(s) until it is
> done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Again, thanks for your thoughtful consideration.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > >
> > > > Don, KI4D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Kenneth R. van Wyk <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> >
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:51 AM
> > > > To: Alexandria Radio Club <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net
> > > > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> >; President (W4HFH)
> > > > <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> >
> > > > Cc: alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com
> > > > <mailto:alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only]
> Proxy
> > > > Form
> > > > for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe seeking tax-exempt status for ARC is not just appropriate,
> but
> > > > vital.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also believe it is worth taking the time to get the words right in
> such
> > > > important documents as an organization's foundational documents.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And, I believe Rick has raised important and valid concerns with the
> > > > current
> > > > wording of the proposed governance documents. I have read through the
> > > > currently proposed governance documentation, and I don't believe
> we're
> > > > there
> > > > yet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My preference is to see Rick's concerns properly addressed prior to
> > > putting
> > > > this to a vote. But, if a vote must be taken on the current
> > > documentation,
> > > > I
> > > > feel I have no choice but to vote against. I do so with the hopes
> that
> > > > revisions can be made so that our club's tax-exempt status can be
> > > achieved.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am happy to volunteer to assist with document revisions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken van Wyk
> > > >
> > > > Armata Scientia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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