[Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum

Rich Adamy ka4gfy at gmail.com
Wed Oct 11 13:04:14 EDT 2023 

I have been saying this for awhile.

I would like to be part of this discussion.

Richard (Rich)  Adamy, CPA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 12:48 PM <don.ki4d at gmail.com> wrote:
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> After reading Joe’s note, I feel that he has a lot of good ideas on how to further the cause of tax-exempt status for the club. I reached out to him for help in moving the club forward with a tax-exempt status. This note is to let everyone know that Joe (KT3I) has agreed to chair a committee, as he suggests, to further investigate tax-exempt status for the club over the next two months.  Joe is a longtime member and contributor to the Alexandria Radio Club, and is willing to do the work. The tax-exempt proposal will not be on the agenda at the October meeting.
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> Don, KI4D
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> From: Joe Porcelli <porcej at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 10:20 AM
> To: don.ki4d at gmail.com
> Cc: Bob Brickner <BBrickner at gbbinc.com>; Kenneth R. van Wyk <ken at vanwyk.org>; Alexandria Radio Club <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net>; President (W4HFH) <President at w4hfh.org>; Joe Porcelli <porcej at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
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> Howdy folks,
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> Hope ya’ll are doing well.  I'm now super confused as to what's going on with the proposed changes to the Articles of Incorporation.
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> After a careful review of Roberts Rules of Order I recommend the following course of action:
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> *       Strike the vote on the proposed Articles of Incorporation
> *       A motion be made to empower a committee to investigate non-profit status with following parameters:
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> *       The committee members should be named in the meeting and include the president.
> *       Defined scope to seeking 501(c)3 or 501(c)7 status (or whatever scope you feel is relevant)
> *       Defined time whatever time frame you feel appropriate (I would suggest between 1 and 3 months)
> *       At the end of the allotted time, the committee presents a proposal with accompanying reasoning to the general membership.  That proposal could be one of the following:
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> *       Status quo - the committee recommends maintaining course with the organization.
> *       Seek 501(c)3 status - The committee recommends reincorporating as a 501(c)3 corporation and why
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> *       The committee should also recommend a path towards reincorporating as a 501(c)3 organization (proposed Articles of Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the same
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> *       Seek 501(c)7 status - The committee recommends reincorporating as a 501(c)7 corporation and why
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> *       The committee should also recommend a path towards reincorporating as a 501(c)7 organization (proposed Articles of Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the same
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> *       Once presented at a general membership meeting, a motion should be made to vote on the committee's proposal.  If the proposal includes changes to the organization's defining documents, then the vote should be scheduled for a future meeting and the documents made available to the general membership for review.  If the committee's proposal is to move forward in some other way (seek legal counsel etc) a review period may or may not be appropriate and the vote could occur straight away.
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> To be clear, I don't have an issue with the proposed changes to the Articles of Incorporation.  I do however feel the process undertaken thus far is flawed and that the membership should get a seat at a table that decides what our Organization will look like in the future.
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> Cheers,
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> Joe, KT3I
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> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 9:13 AM <don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> > wrote:
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> Bob - appreciate your comments.  I have often remembered how we wisely took
> a pause to consider your comments about the revisions to the bylaws in
> 2020-2021 when I was president.  Thanks to you for that.
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> I will try to answer your question, which I consider very valid.  At the
> outset Sean, I, and others had assumptions that the proposal was a "no
> brainer,"  meaning that the assumption was "who could be against tax-exempt
> status," so we figured if we did our homework with the board, it would fly
> right through with membership.  After all, in taxes and for tax return
> preparation, we pay out about one-fourth of our annual income from club
> dues; and with tax-exempt status (501(c)(3) we would become eligible for
> grants from the ARRL and the City of Alexandria to help fund club equipment
> and other needs in the future. The proxies were constructed with that
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> thought process in mind.  Obviously, that is not the situation we are facing
> now with the misleading and alarming information that has been circulated
> about the articles.  The tax-exempt status is no longer a "no-brainer" with
> some people..
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> So, my advice to everyone is to wait for the outcomes of meetings about the
> proposal before voting, while we get to the bottom of things.
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> Don, KI4D
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> From: Bob Brickner <BBrickner at gbbinc.com <mailto:BBrickner at gbbinc.com> >
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:42 AM
> To: don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> ; 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> >; 'Alexandria
> Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> >; 'President (W4HFH)'
> <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> >
> Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form
> for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
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> Don, thanks for the update about the process. But I am really confused now.
> If the intent is to solicit member input and have a good debate about
> issues, and then consider such to redraft the document for another meeting
> (maybe two), why are Proxy votes being submitted on the current draft for
> Friday night if that is not the final document? Was the process for handling
> this proposed revision clearly described to all members and being done in
> accordance with the current charter? Thanks, Bob Brickner KM4TZZ
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> From: alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
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> <mailto:alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net> > > on behalf of
> don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com>  <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> >  <don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:01:00 AM
> To: 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org>  <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> > >;
> 'Alexandria Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net>
> <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> > >; 'President (W4HFH)'
> <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org>  <mailto:President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> > >
> Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form
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> Thanks, Ken - your concerns are valid.  However, there never was a plan to
> put all of the words in the articles "in concrete" and only allow voting on
> the existing words; hence, the articles ae still in draft.  That thought
> never even occurred to me.  In the corporate and business model, there is an
> orderly process that allows for discussions of proposals before voting by
> membership, which includes changes if there a consensus.  That is exactly
> what we were attempting to do.  There was a preemptive strike on the
> proposal with misleading and alarming information before it was released, so
> that is where we are now.
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> I can assure you that all of this will be addressed fully at the meeting on
> Friday, and if not, continuing on following meeting(s) until it is done.
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> Again, thanks for your thoughtful consideration.
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> 73
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> Don, KI4D
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> From: Kenneth R. van Wyk <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org>  <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> > >
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:51 AM
> To: Alexandria Radio Club <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net>
> <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> > >; President (W4HFH)
> <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org>  <mailto:President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> > >
> Cc: alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com <mailto:alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com>
> <mailto:alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com <mailto:alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com> >
> Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form
> for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
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> I believe seeking tax-exempt status for ARC is not just appropriate, but
> vital.
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> I also believe it is worth taking the time to get the words right in such
> important documents as an organization's foundational documents.
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> And, I believe Rick has raised important and valid concerns with the current
> wording of the proposed governance documents. I have read through the
> currently proposed governance documentation, and I don't believe we're there
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> My preference is to see Rick's concerns properly addressed prior to putting
> this to a vote. But, if a vote must be taken on the current documentation, I
> feel I have no choice but to vote against. I do so with the hopes that
> revisions can be made so that our club's tax-exempt status can be achieved.
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> I am happy to volunteer to assist with document revisions.
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> Cheers,
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> Ken van Wyk
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> Armata Scientia
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