[ADXA] mshv issue

Sat Feb 7 14:19:55 EST 2026

In response to the MSHV issue in general, and in specific to no one. In the case of the KP5 and all other dx stations that operate in the same manner, it is my opinion, not that it matters, is that they are doing it as efficiently as possible. They are in control of the QSO. If they log it, it is a good QSO, Livestream immediately just cuts down on the endless QRM that seems to be present when a station like this gets on. At least if you miss the rr73 you can see the livestream. You can compare this to a CW contact in which the sig is always 599. At the end of the day, whether CW or digital, to have a good contact, the times must match within 30 minutes, and both stations must log it. Since you send your signal report 2nd, the dx station is in control of logging and anything you do cannot manipulate that. 

Do people cheat? Absolutely. Am I going to lose any sleep over it? Absolutley not.  What I have seen is that everything is not as exactly as it appears when you are looking at the stream of calls going by on digital. I've seen all kinds of things I perceived as cheating, and have sat and continued to look at the stream of decodes and proved myself wrong. 

The only completely weird QSO that I have a question about is K0DD had a complete ft8 QSO with the KP5 on 160, about 3 in the morning a couple days ago, when the KP5 was QRT. One thing I know is that she did not make it in his log. I wish I had taken a picture of her transmissions. Maybe it was a pirate bootlegging her call. 

I am on a mission to eliminate the robot stations that I desire to get rid of by adding them to my ignore list. I'm pretty sure VP2MAA is running robot on 160, and also the gentleman in the usa that called cq continuously from midnight to 6 am. This is a sticky subject, and I suppose the station that can be regulated should be regulated. 

Everyone continue to enjoy the hobby and play fair. The main person you have to be accountable to is yourself. 

Randy/W5ZJ

On Sat, 7 Feb, 2026 at 12:42 PM, David Norris via ADXA <adxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

To: ej jones
Cc: adxa at mailman.qth.net; w5znjoel at gmail.comThe A and K were up a little. 

73 

David A. Norris, K5UZ
Director, Delta Division

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On Feb 7, 2026, at 10:52 AM, EJ Jones <k5ej at outlook.com<mailto:k5ej at outlook.com>> wrote:

I noticed there was a lot of noise on the bands last night too. All my antennas had high noise levels. Guess it was some atmospheric stuff.
EJ

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Subject: Re: [ADXA] mshv issue 

Many of these scammers are at their radio. Once in a while you see them transmitting the wrong thing :-) A bot won't do that. 

But, yes, there have been documented cases of robo operator software that work every new dxcc entity they find. I know that in Finland one guy got busted for doing this. But that is slightly different topic. 

Jussi (aa6kj) 

Feb 7, 2026 9:25:26 AM EJ Jones <k5ej at outlook.com<mailto:k5ej at outlook.com>>:

I suspect a lot of these stations have absent operators. 
EJ 

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Subject: Re: [ADXA] mshv issue 

Hi Joel, 

On 2/7/26 3:54 AM, w5znjoel at gmail.com<mailto:w5znjoel at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Happens on 6 meters as well. 

6m propagation goes sometimes in one direction only and this same 
approach can be used :-( 

> Its unfortunate, and is a sad indicator of how the integrity of operators 
> has declined. 

Indeed, this has to stop! I think DX peditions should consider the 
following ASAP: 

1) Modify the mshv software: 
- If R-xx is received from a station that mshv responded to earlier 
within e.g. 3 minutes then send back R and log QSO. 
- If R-xx is received from a station that mshv responded to earlier 
longer than 3 minutes ago, do not log the QSO & reset QSO state. 
- If R-xx message is received at any point from a station that mshv did 
not respond to within 15 minutes, blacklist the station for 48 hours & 
possibly publish the offender information. 

2) FT8 QSOs should not use livestream at all or at minimum implement 15 
min delay in publishing the data. 

3) Do not publish radio control data (like KP5 does). This blind calling 
business seemed to start immediately when they saw that the radio is on 
a given band. 

Jussi (aa6kj) 

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