[ADXA] 9Y1YC and BS7 help... DXCC program changes, BS7/1S/7J1 Okino

[Crownhaven]

Especially right now.  I’ll be calling for some advice!  ))))

Steven, QQ

> On Aug 13, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Bill Priakos via ADXA <adxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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> Great history lesson on the complexity of AND the politics of DXCC!  You and Bill, K5FUV, particularly have a personal perspective...
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> 73
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> W5SJ
> Bill Priakos
> 10 Free Ferry Heights
> Fort Smith, AR 72903
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> From: adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net <adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of HamOP
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:16 AM
> To: Crownhaven <crownhaven at bellsouth.net>; adxa <ADXA at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [ADXA] 9Y1YC and BS7 help... DXCC program changes, BS7/1S/7J1 Okino
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> 9V1YC is good friend from the past, especially our BS7H trip. Neat guy but was not aware that he was on FT modes. He does more CW than SSB for sure. Long story about his assistance those last few hours before departure from Hong Kong harbor to go to Scarborough Reef. Trip may not have happened without his last minute thoughts and advice to a “situation” caused by BY operators…  China knew BS7 was a valid Taiwan Pacific territory, but they always claimed it was theirs is a subtle way … They wanted all fishing rights all around BS7, even if 100s of miles away from BY.
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> Many have said the ARRL DXCC should delete such disputed territories, sorta like 1S Spratly involving so many small reefs and islets. At least Spratly was many islands whereas BS7 was 3 small rock masses within a few yards. When I was DXAC chairman we as a committee recommended initially NOT counting BS7 because of some rule changes that were happening as to what a “country” really is, and BS7 did not fit those rules. Lot of confusion began to exist during a period of time, and a desire to go there before the new rules were implemented. The first group’s operation with OH2BH did not count and created some division within the DXing community.
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> Ultimately BS7 was allowed on the second operation but using the old rules, despite new rules being in effect at the time. In the “mix” was rocks using scaffolding and being under water part of the day and others above water all day but scaffolding used for platform stability.  Take a look at 7J1 added in 1976 and deleted in 1980: 100% under water at ALL times, all scaffolding attached under water. Small cabins out at the end of a long wooden walkway and on stilts 100% are attached to ‘underwater’ land/rocks but they have always counted, but a boat tied to a warf does not count as land based, rightfully so .. This information is likely to pass over newer DXers or real young DXers but may give insight to how difficult it is to govern the DXCC program.. Bill FUV can verify how DXCC rules have changed over the years.
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> It is a pretty well fixed now, tho many do not think Kosovo should have counted when added to the DXCC list. Another story about why and “pressures” that existed and making slight rule changes to offset ? overlooked “variances”.  This is my discussion about the olden days, especially during quiet DXing times and few rarities being discussed. More detailed discussion can be done at our annual meeting later in the year if interested …. hopefully we will have a late 2020 annual event of some sort.  Pray we do.
> San  YY
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> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:00 AM
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> Subject: [ADXA] 9V1YC
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> 20 meters, FT8, 1259Z, new one on digital for me.
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> Steve, QQ
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