[ADXA] China on 6m?
w5zn at w5zn.org
w5zn at w5zn.org
Sun Jun 30 04:03:41 EDT 2019
Thanks info Jay.
ZN
On 2019-06-29 22:24, jayw5jay wrote:
> Hi Joel,
> Yes it is BS for wsjt-x program as written by Joe Taylor. However there was a guy over in Europe that added some software that was not freeware that automated his set up. It was a kluged up mess and I guess a lot of guys saw what he had done and just assume everyone over here is done the same thing.
>
> A lot of these are urban legends are spread around by unknowing types that do not use the mode. I could be wrong but I doubt there's a handful of guys in the US that has copied that guy's script and paid the money to add the extra software required to do this.
>
> When I called BS to a guy that mentioned this to me he provided me with a link of this guy doing the automation. However for me it was not a simple process or very productive in my humble opinion. He was in Sweden if I remember right.
>
> Many times if you're not sitting in front of the screen watching what's going with the contact sort of Gets Busted or locked into an endless loop due to interference, qsb, or computer problems on the other end.
>
> Which brings up a subject that was mentioned by Dennis earlier when is a contact a contact. In wsjt-x you don't get to the log screen until the RR 73. However as you work more more of these contacts you sort of learn the feel of when the contact is complete.
>
> I don't know how many times I have got his I got his signal report, but my station keeps sending his signal report as it's waiting on RR 73. So my station keeps transmitting Rodger plus his signal report. Sometimes I see him calling CQ which means he thinks we're done.
>
> As you and anyone that has operated ft8 knows you have a choice you can just end the contact and not log them or hit the RR 73 which brings up the log to confirm them.
>
> Many times after I've manually took over and put the bullet on RR 73 to bring up the log screen to confirm them. Then I usually I see them come back to me with their 73 because they've shifted they're audio frequency to get out of the interference that's on top of them.
>
> Some guys are very sticky about what they consider is a completed contact, but really it doesn't matter anyway. If you upload the log to lotw and and they did not it's just a blind zombie contact that will never be confirmed. The only downside I can see to this is programs like JT alert, DX labs, Etc, will show them as being worked when they may not have. So far this hasn't been a problem for me.
>
> The main attraction to me about ft8 is working stations, analyzing propagation, learning things new, and reading their bios at the same time from JT alert. I also like the thrill of running stations.
>
> Last winner many times I did not feel like talking on SSB or trying to focus so hard on a conversation on CW. So if ft8 was really nice to have in the tool kit to stay active and to keep working stations. When I try to multitask when using ft8 is when things start to screw up. So I don't know who started this urban legend about automated ft8 signals, but in my humble opinion to end this kind of crap.
>
> Glad you called BS to this and I will second that as well. That's a good reason why folks need to try new things to find out for themselves what is true and not true.
>
> 73 Jay
>
> To be fair I have called CQ while running down the hallway or to get a drink. But that completes only one qso and then the transmitter is turned off from the software. I think at one time in the set up there was a way to keep the enabled button going on transmitted which would have caused this to be automated. But in those previous versions if you check mark that box it still would not let you do automation past one contact.
>
> 73 j a y
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: w5zn at w5zn.org
> Date: 6/29/19 8:54 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Rick Roderick <k5ur at aol.com>
> Cc: Jay Bromley <jayw5jay at cox.net>, adxa at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> OK I'm calling bullshit on this....sorry folks that's what it is. Unattended automatic QSO's are not legal except under some special applications. FT8 is NOT fully automatic. If you set your system to call CQ and someone answers you, you have to double click and select the station you want to respond to and work BEFORE it will start its auto QSO message sequence.
>
> So, how are these stations actually "going to bed" or "watching a movie" and working stations unattended????? The software does not permit this.
>
> So, tell me what's really going on here. If I'm missing something please enlighten me, otherwise what you are being told is pure BS.
>
> ZN
>
> On 2019-06-29 16:31, Rick Roderick via ADXA wrote: Jay, my parents rarely took pictures when I was growing up. I'd give anything to have pictures of my first station, built with no money, jimmy rigged everything. I didn't even own a PL-259 until I was a General and a year after I'd been a Ham. I hard wired everything. I was on the Razorback net one day and said I had no place to buy a PL-259 and a guy named George, a WA5, I can see his face but can't recall the call, sent me a PL-259 in a small sack with the mailing address label hanging off the side to me. That was my first PL-259. Oh, those were wonderful days looking back.
>
> On FT8, I go to a lot of hamfests
> as you know, on almost every weekend somewhere. I often hear folks say how they go to bed running FT8 and wake up to see what they've worked. I hear folks say they go watch a movie, they go mow the lawn, then come back in to see what they've worked. That, plus he DXer cluster, makes it so easy nowadays, and people still whine about working DX? Give me a break. Weenies....
>
> 73
> Rick - K5UR
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Jay Bromley <jayw5jay at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Rick what would be cool is to show off some pictures of that early station, if you have any of them??
>
> That would make a great ADXA article for sure. You may have already done this before?
>
> 73 de jay/w5jay..
>
> FROM: adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net <adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net> ON BEHALF OF Jay Bromley
> SENT: Friday, June 28, 2019 1:04 PM
> TO: k5ur at aol.com; rutl7340 at bellsouth.net; k5yy1 at cox.net
> CC: adxa at mailman.qth.net
> SUBJECT: Re: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> What happened to the setup?
>
> Not too long ago ran into a Michigan AM group on 6m AM. I think they hung out around 50.400?
>
> 73 de jay..
>
> FROM: k5ur at aol.com <k5ur at aol.com>
> SENT: Friday, June 28, 2019 11:58 AM
> TO: rutl7340 at bellsouth.net; k5yy1 at cox.net
> CC: jayw5jay at cox.net; w5zn at w5zn.org; adxa at mailman.qth.net
> SUBJECT: Re: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> Steve, ole Ted, K8NA (SK) was a buddy of mine back in the day.
>
> I started on 6 meters AM (yes, on AM) back in the late 60's. My first home made amp was a pair of 4-400's laid out on the floor in my bedroom. Didn't even have it in a cabinet. My parents got calls from miles away that I was causing TVI, and I was because we were on the fringe of LR TV reception in Russellville. Man, I made those tubes glow, but I sure had a solid power supply. :) Think about that a KW of AM on 6 meters. I subsequently had to get off the air on Sunday and Wednesday because I got into churches' PA systems.
>
> 73
>
> K5UR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Rutledge <rutl7340 at bellsouth.net>
> To: HamOP <k5yy1 at cox.net>
> Cc: Jay Bromley <jayw5jay at cox.net>; w5zn at w5zn.org <w5zn at w5zn.org>; k5ur at aol.com <k5ur at aol.com>; adxa at mailman.qth.net <adxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2019 11:41 am
> Subject: Re: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> Stories. Got my first beam up in MI, TH5. Worked DXCC plus more on CC R5 vertical. I am a CW op, prop was good, 10 F2 starting to happen.
>
> My pals left and I started tuning on 10 with TS-830, I miss that receiver. Anyway, at about .650 I hear station calling CQ. I called him, QTH "Bird Island." Not sure where that was but VP8 call. I got on DX repeater and told K8NA. He exclaimed "that's South Georgia!"
>
> When I went back to the freq, it was a giant hetrodyne.
>
> Another time in R7 there was T33 op. I tried for days on CW, no amp. I got up in middle of night last day, worked him. Cats came with note, "last QSO."
>
> Finally, arrived in Memphis, 96, no antennas. Heard Island on. Tossed up 30 meter dipole about ten ' off ground. Almost wore out TS850. Last day, Sunday, wife said let's go for walk. I said I'm going to call one last time and forget it. Bang! Good Q.
>
> There is something to be said for perseverance.
>
> Steve, QQ
>
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:53 AM, HamOP <k5yy1 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Hey, when prop is down and nothing of note to work, get on OUR ADXA chat page! HI Great fun forum full of ideas, etc.
> Gotta run errands.. 73 all,
>
> san
>
> Sent from Mail [1] for Windows 10
>
> FROM: Jay Bromley
> SENT: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:50 AM
> TO: w5zn at w5zn.org; k5ur at aol.com
> CC: adxa at mailman.qth.net
> SUBJECT: Re: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> I bet there are a ton of them we haven't heard B4 😊
>
> 73 de jay..
>
> FROM: w5zn at w5zn.org <w5zn at w5zn.org>
> SENT: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:48 AM
> TO: k5ur at aol.com
> CC: ejj at suddenlink.net; jayw5jay at cox.net; adxa at mailman.qth.net
> SUBJECT: Re: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> Is it time now to "unzip" and start telling DX stories????? :-)))
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Rick Roderick - K5UR - aol address via ADXA <adxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> I worked China, BA4SI, and BV also, on 6 meters a few years ago, human to human, none of that digital stuff where you can't hear the station. (hi).
>
> 73
>
> Rick - K5UR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EJ <ejj at suddenlink.net>
> To: 'Jay Bromley' <jayw5jay at cox.net>; adxa <adxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2019 8:27 am
> Subject: Re: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> Good one. I saw some west coast guys posted him last night and a VK was copying KA9CFD. Have to listen this evening to see if they are in there again. I got in a little later and didn't hear anything good
>
> EJ K5EJ
>
> FROM: adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] ON BEHALF OF Jay Bromley
> SENT: Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:07 PM
> TO: adxa at mailman.qth.net
> SUBJECT: [ADXA] China on 6m?
>
> Guys this seems to be real. I am pointed in the right direction and printing out BA4SI on 6m FT8. Even on that mode it is hard for me to believe. Sadly I don't have enough power for the BA4 to see me! ☹
>
> I was telling Bill K5FUV that I was seeing some countries all over the UK and now in the far east.
>
> That does it, the manual on the 7 element M2 is on the bench and been looking at 6m amps, hi.
>
> BTW, he is a -17 on me right now. Has been as high as -12
>
> 73 de jay/w5jay..
>
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