Don't put too much in those S/N reports.

It looks like, assuming that is stable ground wave or direct wave propagation and the noise levels are stable, the F-120 is about half the effective bandwidth or a bit less than half of the W2 signal bandwidth. 

First, the reported S/N it is a snapshot of time. Neither the noise or signals are constant levels over time. At any instant of time S/N can change significantly.

Second, it is the wide bandwidth noise compared to the narrow detection-bandwidth signal level. It isn't the actual signal-to-noise. The way it is calculated in digital modes typically inflates the apparent S/N by at least 15dB over what it really is.

For example, I can copy the CW ID of stations on WSPR that are reporting -15dB or worse on WSPR from across the room if I have the monitor speaker on. This is because my ears are trained to pay attention to the single frequency tone of maybe 100Hz or less BW and the noise BW is 3kHz. That's log 10 (3000/100)  = 15dB right there.

Don't put too much meaning in those S/N reports. They really don't mean all that much if we ignore the variables.

73 Tom

 

On 4/8/2023 10:42 PM, Neil Klagge wrote:
Using the same power, FW2 gives different report than wspr2

4 spots:

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az Mode
 2023-04-09 02:36   W0YSE   0.475729   -12   0   DN41ah   0.005   KA7OEI-1   DN31uo   43   320   W-2 
 2023-04-09 02:32   W0YSE   0.475693   -16   0   DN41ah   0.005   KA7OEI-1   DN31uo   43   320   F-120 
 2023-04-09 02:16   W0YSE   0.475744   -12   4   DN41ah   0.005   KA7OEI-1   DN31uo   43   320   W-2 
 2023-04-09 02:12   W0YSE   0.475646   -15   0   DN41ah   0.005   KA7OEI-1   DN31uo   43   320   F-120

running wspr2 for rest of the night.

73 and GN all
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