[50mhz] 50mhz Digest, Vol 124, Issue 6

Mon Jun 23 12:35:46 EDT 2014

My 2 Centavos:

It has nothing to do with No Code or CB mentality. It is about a lack of 
education in the established list of courtesies.

Perhaps it can be explained to them that while there is no FCC rule that 
prohibits them from doing what they are doing, there is an established 
gentlemen's courtesy that will benefit them as well as everyone else.

If they are not Cluster observers, then they might not know that there is DX 
where they are operating. One of the benefits of the Cluster is to let 
people know where NOT to be as well as where to listen for a needed one. 
Since we all do NOT have spectrum scopes on our radios, the cluster serves 
an important role. The alternative might be to install a motor drive onto 
the VFO shaft.

I realize that there are stubborn people. I have run across them on 60 
meters in the DX Channel 5.4035 MHz. Once they start a rag chew, they think 
that they are the only hams in the world and that they now own that 
frequency.

Best Regards
Dan Schaaf

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Today's Topics:

   1. Mentoring needed........ (r miles)
   2. Re: Mentoring needed........ (K4OWR)
   3. Re: Mentoring needed........ (Carl)
   4. Re: Mentoring needed........ (John Geiger)
   5. Re: Mentoring needed........ (manualman at juno.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:44:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: r miles <greenacres113 at charter.net>
To: 6m <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
Message-ID: <144e5a36.50ed4.146c8c1a738.Webtop.47 at charter.net>
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You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to kindly
help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there were at
least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd. several
in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd more.
Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the game they
were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by these stn.s.
Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while these guys
couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in the band. I
did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the DX window. They
were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We need to mentor
them......

K9IL EM56

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:37 -0400
From: K4OWR <k2owr at comcast.net>
To: r miles <greenacres113 at charter.net>, 50mhz at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
Message-ID: <53A823C9.8050305 at comcast.net>
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:::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely
blesses us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There is
a crew of guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount of
talking to them does any good. They simply are incapable of
comprehending the concept. Their answer is that it's good that they hang
out there so someone will notice them.....the only thing is that all
have mediocre stations because they report hearing my 2KW and giant beam
as S6. I have simply given up trying. Mentoring only works when someone
wants to learn, or even cares.
BILL K4OWR

On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
>
> You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to
> kindly help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there
> were at least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
> 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd.
> several in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd
> more. Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the
> game they were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by
> these stn.s. Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while
> these guys couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in
> the band. I did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the
> DX window. They were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We
> need to mentor them......
>
> K9IL EM56
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:04:29 -0400
From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
To: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>, "r miles"
<greenacres113 at charter.net>, <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
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When I want to work 6M DX I rarely use SSB as there are a lot more fine DX
ops on CW...and usually longer haul also.
Let the CB crowd have .125 and up

Carl
KM1H

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>
To: "r miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>; <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........

> :::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely
> blesses us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There is a
> crew of guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount of
> talking to them does any good. They simply are incapable of comprehending
> the concept. Their answer is that it's good that they hang out there so
> someone will notice them.....the only thing is that all have mediocre
> stations because they report hearing my 2KW and giant beam as S6. I have
> simply given up trying. Mentoring only works when someone wants to learn,
> or even cares.
> BILL K4OWR
>
>
> On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
>>
>> You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to kindly
>> help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there were at
>> least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
>> 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd. several
>> in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd more.
>> Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the game they
>> were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by these stn.s.
>> Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while these guys couldn't
>> figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in the band. I did hear
>> several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the DX window. They were
>> ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We need to mentor them......
>>
>> K9IL EM56
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0000
From: "John Geiger" <af5cc at fidmail.com>
To: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>, "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>, "r
miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>, <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
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I agree with one of the previous posts.  You can only mentor someone who
wants to be mentored.  Many think they already know better...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
To: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>; "r miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>;
<50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........

> When I want to work 6M DX I rarely use SSB as there are a lot more fine DX
> ops on CW...and usually longer haul also.
> Let the CB crowd have .125 and up
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>
> To: "r miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>; <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
>
>
>> :::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely
>> blesses us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There is a
>> crew of guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount of
>> talking to them does any good. They simply are incapable of comprehending
>> the concept. Their answer is that it's good that they hang out there so
>> someone will notice them.....the only thing is that all have mediocre
>> stations because they report hearing my 2KW and giant beam as S6. I have
>> simply given up trying. Mentoring only works when someone wants to learn,
>> or even cares.
>> BILL K4OWR
>>
>>
>> On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
>>>
>>> You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to kindly
>>> help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there were at
>>> least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
>>> 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd. several
>>> in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd more.
>>> Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the game they
>>> were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by these stn.s.
>>> Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while these guys
>>> couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in the band. I
>>> did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the DX window. They
>>> were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We need to mentor
>>> them......
>>>
>>> K9IL EM56
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:39:27 -0400
From: <manualman at juno.com>
To: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
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Every band has its share of "band idiots"; 6 meters is no exception. It
becomes even more pronounced when the opens up.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:37 -0400 K4OWR <k2owr at comcast.net> writes:
> :::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely
>
> blesses us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There
> is
> a crew of guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount
> of
> talking to them does any good. They simply are incapable of
> comprehending the concept. Their answer is that it's good that they
> hang
> out there so someone will notice them.....the only thing is that all
>
> have mediocre stations because they report hearing my 2KW and giant
> beam
> as S6. I have simply given up trying. Mentoring only works when
> someone
> wants to learn, or even cares.
> BILL K4OWR
>
>
> On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
> >
> > You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to
>
> > kindly help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday
> there
> > were at least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX
> window of
> > 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd.
> > several in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you
> hrd
> > more. Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of
> the
> > game they were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered
> by
> > these stn.s. Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while
>
> > these guys couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher
> in
> > the band. I did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of
> the
> > DX window. They were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We
>
> > need to mentor them......
> >
> > K9IL EM56

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