From 50mhz at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jul  6 09:05:44 2014
From: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via 50mhz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 09:05:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [50mhz] 6m Yesterday
Message-ID: <49773.4a87f4ef.40eaa3a8@aol.com>

Yesterday (July 5) started out frustrating.  From here in DM41 I heard  W5s 
and W0s working all sorts of 50 MHz DX that I could not hear.  I worked  a 
few East Coast stations on double-hop Es, but that was all.
 
Finally (1747Z), I worked EA8DBM, a new one for me on 6 and the only DX  
station I heard all day.  I wonder, though, about the propagation  mode.  I 
gave him a 55 report, but his signal later built up to  S8.  That seems 
awfully strong for 4- or 5-hop Es (the distance  is 5456 miles).  With the solar 
flux so high, could it have been F2?
 
On 6 I am running 150 watts to a multi-band vertical (Hy-Gain AV620).
 
73 Ray W2RS

From af5cc at fidmail.com  Sun Jul  6 09:24:48 2014
From: af5cc at fidmail.com (John Geiger)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 13:24:48 -0000
Subject: [50mhz] 6m Yesterday
References: <49773.4a87f4ef.40eaa3a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <22F28E7F3FB44D4D84D28C9CC52AA442@acer61a4596bd3>

I was wondering the same thing about EA8DBM.  He was a real S7 on the meter 
here around 1840Z.  Seemed very loud for multihop Es and the flux and SSN 
was pretty high. Is F2 possible on 6m in July?

73 John AF5CC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray W2RS via 50mhz" <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
To: <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; <k7ra at arrl.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 1:05 PM
Subject: [50mhz] 6m Yesterday


> Yesterday (July 5) started out frustrating.  From here in DM41 I heard 
> W5s
> and W0s working all sorts of 50 MHz DX that I could not hear.  I worked  a
> few East Coast stations on double-hop Es, but that was all.
>
> Finally (1747Z), I worked EA8DBM, a new one for me on 6 and the only DX
> station I heard all day.  I wonder, though, about the propagation  mode. 
> I
> gave him a 55 report, but his signal later built up to  S8.  That seems
> awfully strong for 4- or 5-hop Es (the distance  is 5456 miles).  With the 
> solar
> flux so high, could it have been F2?
>
> On 6 I am running 150 watts to a multi-band vertical (Hy-Gain AV620).
>
> 73 Ray W2RS
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From 50mhz at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jul  6 11:53:02 2014
From: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via 50mhz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 11:53:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [50mhz] 6m Yesterday
In-Reply-To: <49773.4a87f4ef.40eaa3a8@aol.com>
References: <49773.4a87f4ef.40eaa3a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8D1674980BE62D2-225C-8995@webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com>




From 50mhz at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jul  6 12:49:10 2014
From: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via 50mhz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:49:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [50mhz] Fwd: Re:  6m Yesterday
In-Reply-To: <8D1674980BE62D2-225C-8995@webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1674980BE62D2-225C-8995@webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com>
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From w7gj at q.com  Mon Jul  7 13:06:56 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:06:56 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] KH8 2m/6m DXpedition Final Reminder!
Message-ID: <53BAD3B0.2010609@q.com>

Hello!

Just a friendly reminder of the upcoming DXpedition to put KH8 on EME for the first 
time ever!  All our bags of equipment are packed, and we will be flying down there 
Friday at the end of this week.

If everything goes as planned, we HOPE to be able to set up all day Saturday July 12 
and be QRV for our moonrise late Saturday afternoon (Sunday UTC).   Since our 
internet hotspot and housing is an hour by car from the operating site, we don't 
expect to be able to provide updated status reports during setup on Saturday.   I 
have elevation so I will be QRV during moonset for NA stations who are 
horizon-only.   Of course, for EU, most of the stations will be aiming on the horizon 
during moonrise or moonset anyway, because of the very limited windows with distant 
KH8.   However, our negative horizon aiming out over the Pacific ocean on both 
moonrise and moonset should provide the best possible
opportunities ;-)

Please watch for KH8/W7GJ on 50.190 (JT65A mode) and follow all the recommendations 
and procedures detailed on my website:

http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm

I will also try to update the above web page on a daily basis with stations worked 
and additional information, although I will not be able to update it until after I 
leave the operating site each day.

ZL1RS is already down there and will be providing updated information regarding his 
2m EME activities on 144.140 (JT65B mode) here:

http://www.qsl.net/zl1rs/kh8.html

Please spread the word, and we look forward to handing out a new DXCC to many of 
you!   MNI TNX and VY 73, Lance

-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From DFox at rwglaw.com  Fri Jul 11 15:34:46 2014
From: DFox at rwglaw.com (D. Craig Fox)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:34:46 -0700
Subject: [50mhz] California to Japan
Message-ID: <FE3B26F42CA36A4B976024BC0C5C57D60359FA7D5D@RWGLAEXCH1.RWG.COM>

Last night until well after midnight California and other western states operators were working JAs. I worked my first JA ever on CW then another on JT- 50.330.  Pretty awesome for 6. Running 100w and 4 el. Maybe again tonight?

73s

Craig
N6RSX




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From w7gj at q.com  Tue Jul 15 00:04:16 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 04:04:16 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
Message-ID: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com>


Hello!   I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:


July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.  Lots of fun having 
so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!   Also was nice to have 
visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us in :-(  
Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the log (including a 
number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!  Worked the following stations 
before heading home to take a shower and get some sleep:  KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, 
N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.  Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, 
K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.  Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO 
protocol listed on my website.  I will first call people who are copying me.  If you 
are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else 
before I test the waters with you!    Because the air conditioning failed here, the 
power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the problem, it 
turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to excessive internal 
heating.   We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front of the 
power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air movement.   
Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the second moon 
pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the moon was visible, 
providing the reassurance of visual aiming.   I exchanged call signs with G8BCG, but 
since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.   Others heard 
but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT and W7IUV.  
Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,  and W7JW, bringing the total after two 
moon passes to 14.  At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come up (just an hour 
before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.   We were unable to 
locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive solar 
array at the operating site.   We will continue to make efforts to resolve this noise 
problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the month, when 
we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) , since we may not be 
able to be successful during our moonset.  Again, I ask that anyone interested in 
completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 
DXpedition page: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm !  Please 
understand that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only 
way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using here....do 
NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that time.

REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!   If you have elevation, 
or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.   When the moon is 
above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region 2, who 
only have that chance available to them.

It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the narrow winding 
road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every day, but we are trying to 
keep it up as long as we can.  Thanks for your cooperation, and we hope to be able to 
provide a new DXCC to many of you!




GL and VY 73, Lance

-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:02:05 GMT
Subject: [50mhz] 6M Ameritron 8877 2KW amplifier
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From w5kdj at consolidated.net  Tue Jul 15 14:02:17 2014
From: w5kdj at consolidated.net (W5KDJ)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [50mhz] RTTY
Message-ID: <201407151802.040826@ms02.consolidated.net>

CQ 50.304


W5KDJ - Wayne Rogers USNR (Ret.)
3DA0KDJ 5R8KD 7P8KDJ
A25KDJ C91KDJ SV0WWW 
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doggie!' until you can find a rock.


From w7gj at q.com  Wed Jul 16 04:48:10 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 08:48:10 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] 6m update from KH8 - third moonpass
Message-ID: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com>

July 15, 2014 - Third moonpass.  We are truly very fortunate with the weather here!   
Although it rains during the day, it has  been clearing off each night for visual 
moon tracking during most of the operating hours  ;-)   This is especially fortunate 
for operation on 6m EME, because I am having to elevate my antenna to its maximum (60 
degrees) and interlace the elements in between the dacron guy ropes.   When the ropes 
become wet, there can be lots of problems when the elements hit the mast's guy 
ropes.   However, if they are dry, it is possible to elevate without having the 
amplifier shut down as the elements hit the wet guy ropes during extreme 
elevations.   Tonight the maximum elevation was only around 81 degrees, which means 
the moon was 21 degrees off my beam heading. I can only imagine what kind of lobe 
there must be at that point! However, the ground gain of some Region 2 horizon-only 
stations certainly made up for the aiming limitations on my end!

Tonight was filled with a number of surprises.  One troubling one is that I seem to 
have an infected toe...I will try to seek some medical attention tomorrow.   On a 
more positive note, we arrived at the site tonight with an extra 30 minutes to spare 
before moonrise, and I had a chance to check for terrestrial activity.   There were 
two KH6 beacons coming in, and I finally raised some activity o on 50.125, working 
WH6XM and KH6/KB6EGA and WH7FC.   I also later worked KH7Y on CW off the side of my 
antenna while I was answering EME callers on JT65A mode.

Another surprise was a number of calls on 6m EME from new stations I didn't even know 
had EME capability!  Many MANY thanks to all who turned out give a call!  Yesterday 
we had displays by low flying "Flying Foxes", Samoa's huge fruit bats.  And Sunday 
night I found a number of large brown toads when I went out to aim the antenna - very 
similar to our experience a few year ago in 3D2.  Tonight I was introduced to the 
huge coconut land crab!  Bob bravely inserted his foot in the photo for scale ;-)

  Tonight I copied (but did not work) K8WW, EI4DQ, K7RWT, W9GA, K6EME, W3UUM, W6XU, 
KF8MY, W7UT and OH6MIK.   I completed with the following stations, bringing the total 
up to 21 6m EME stations worked so far: G8BCG, KB8RQ, VE3KH, VE3MMQ, JG2BRI, OA4TT 
and ES6RQ.

-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From 50mhz at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jul 18 14:35:58 2014
From: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net (Paul Kiesel via 50mhz)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:35:58 -0700
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
Message-ID: <1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.

K7CW



________________________________
 From: Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com>
To: w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group' <MagicEME at googlegroups.com>; 'Moon-Net' <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz' <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; 'WSJT Group' <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
 

> If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
answer someone else before I test the waters with you!

Say What?? Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
both his call and your own call.? Until then why would anyone send anything
but both calls?? Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
confusion for all.

73, Russ K2TXB


-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
W7GJ
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; 50mhz; WSJT Group
Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


Hello!?  I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:


July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.? Lots of
fun having 
so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!?  Also was nice
to have 
visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!? Worked
the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
sleep:? KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
website.? I will first call people who are copying me.? If you are copying
me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else 
before I test the waters with you!? ? Because the air conditioning failed
here, the 
power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
excessive internal 
heating.?  We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
of the 
power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
movement.? 
Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
moon was visible, 
providing the reassurance of visual aiming.?  I exchanged call signs with
G8BCG, but 
since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
Others heard 
but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
and W7IUV.? 
Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,? and W7JW, bringing the total
after two moon passes to 14.? At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
up (just an hour 
before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.?  We were
unable to 
locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
solar 
array at the operating site.?  We will continue to make efforts to resolve
this noise 
problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset.? Again, I ask
that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm !? Please understand
that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
time.

REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!?  If you have
elevation, 
or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.?  When the
moon is 
above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
2, who only have that chance available to them.

It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can.? Thanks for your
cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!




GL and VY 73, Lance

--
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT?  59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)!

_______________________________________________
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From k2txb at dxcc.com  Fri Jul 18 14:15:10 2014
From: k2txb at dxcc.com (Russ K2TXB)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:15:10 -0400
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com>
Message-ID: <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>

> If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
answer someone else before I test the waters with you!

Say What?  Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
both his call and your own call.  Until then why would anyone send anything
but both calls?  Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
confusion for all.

73, Russ K2TXB


-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
W7GJ
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; 50mhz; WSJT Group
Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


Hello!   I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:


July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.  Lots of
fun having 
so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!   Also was nice
to have 
visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!  Worked
the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
sleep:  KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
website.  I will first call people who are copying me.  If you are copying
me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else 
before I test the waters with you!    Because the air conditioning failed
here, the 
power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
excessive internal 
heating.   We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
of the 
power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
movement.   
Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
moon was visible, 
providing the reassurance of visual aiming.   I exchanged call signs with
G8BCG, but 
since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
Others heard 
but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
and W7IUV.  
Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,  and W7JW, bringing the total
after two moon passes to 14.  At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
up (just an hour 
before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.   We were
unable to 
locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
solar 
array at the operating site.   We will continue to make efforts to resolve
this noise 
problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset.  Again, I ask
that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm !  Please understand
that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
time.

REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!   If you have
elevation, 
or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.   When the
moon is 
above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
2, who only have that chance available to them.

It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can.  Thanks for your
cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!




GL and VY 73, Lance

--
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
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From w7gj at q.com  Fri Jul 18 17:15:38 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:15:38 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
Message-ID: <53C98E7A.5060908@q.com>

Hello Russ,

Thank you for your opinion.
I have not seen any call from you on 50.190, so I am not sure if you are confused 
about the procedure I am using or not.  This is the procedure I have used very 
successfully on 6 50 MHz EME DXpeditions.   If people carefully read my web page and 
the procedure, they are not confused, and understand it fully.   That way I am only 
sending calls and OOO (TX2) , and RRR (TX4).   All information is quickly exchanged 
per the standard EME contact protocol in effect for the last half century +, and I 
can tell what stations to try to work first.   I decode all the callers every 
sequence and only reply first for several sequences to stations who are seeing my trace.
   Most of the best days for 6m EME are past, so if you are interested, pse check my 
operating schedule as posted on my KH8 DXpedition page and give me a call.   I 
apologize that I have not had a chance to check my email at all this trip, or to send 
out any recent updates - just too busy operating 12 to 14 hour shifts and commuting 3 
hours to the operating site .   I broke down and slept 14 hours today before 
moonset.  40 6m EME QSO's in the log so far.

GL and VY 73, Lance



On 7/18/2014 6:15 PM, Russ K2TXB wrote:
>> If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
> answer someone else before I test the waters with you!
>
> Say What?  Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
> both his call and your own call.  Until then why would anyone send anything
> but both calls?  Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
> confusion for all.
>
> 73, Russ K2TXB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
> W7GJ
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
> To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; 50mhz; WSJT Group
> Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
>
> Hello!   I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:
>
>
> July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.  Lots of
> fun having
> so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!   Also was nice
> to have
> visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
> in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
> log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!  Worked
> the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
> sleep:  KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
> Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
> Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
> website.  I will first call people who are copying me.  If you are copying
> me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else
> before I test the waters with you!    Because the air conditioning failed
> here, the
> power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
> July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
> problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
> excessive internal
> heating.   We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
> of the
> power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
> movement.
> Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
> second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
> moon was visible,
> providing the reassurance of visual aiming.   I exchanged call signs with
> G8BCG, but
> since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
> Others heard
> but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
> and W7IUV.
> Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,  and W7JW, bringing the total
> after two moon passes to 14.  At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
> up (just an hour
> before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.   We were
> unable to
> locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
> solar
> array at the operating site.   We will continue to make efforts to resolve
> this noise
> problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
> month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
> since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset.  Again, I ask
> that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
> MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm !  Please understand
> that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
> way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
> here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
> time.
>
> REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!   If you have
> elevation,
> or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.   When the
> moon is
> above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
> 2, who only have that chance available to them.
>
> It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
> narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
> day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can.  Thanks for your
> cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!
>
>
>
>
> GL and VY 73, Lance
>
> --
> Lance Collister, W7GJ
> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
> P.O. Box 73
> Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
> USA
> TEL: (406) 626-5728
> QTH: DN27ub
> URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
> Skype: lanceW7GJ
> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815
>
> Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
> group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at
> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>
>
>
>


-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From 50mhz at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jul 18 17:57:13 2014
From: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via 50mhz)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:57:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [50mhz] Re EA8DBM
Message-ID: <b0b4a.ed0aaee.40faf239@aol.com>

Tad, Jon and Emil,
 
Chordal hop Es seems as plausible an explanation as any for my July 5 SSB  
QSO with EA8DBM, but there's a second chapter to this tale: my CW QSO the  
following day, at 1447Z.  Two such openings on successive days?  Maybe  
that's why it's the Magic Band: magicians don't reveal their tricks.
 
Most people who don't live out here (DM41) don't realize how rare  
transatlantic propagation is for us this far southwest in the absence of  F2.  In 5 
/on the band from this QTH, I've heard (and worked) only two  such stations 
beyond the Caribbean: CU2JT on June 24, 2010, and these two QSOs  with Alex. 
I have worked 47 states (all but DE, AK and HI) on CW and/or SSB, but  
Europe doesn't come easy.
 
73 Ray W2RS

From peter at g8bcg.org.uk  Fri Jul 18 16:10:22 2014
From: peter at g8bcg.org.uk (Peter G8BCG)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:10:22 +0100
Subject: [50mhz] [Magic Band EME] Re: [FFMA] Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update
	from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <B5CAAB200DE34C4EBA6D321B949A0BA3@BoDator>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
	<1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<B5CAAB200DE34C4EBA6D321B949A0BA3@BoDator>
Message-ID: <01a101cfa2c4$4ec9a000$ec5ce000$@org.uk>

Well said Bo,

Anyone with any experience on 6m EME knows that this is the most efficient
way to work AND it is infinitely more valid than your average HF DXpedition
where both calls are hardly ever exchanged;-)

If it's been fixed don't break itJ

73

Peter

G8BCG

Anyway, the DXpedition runs the show - if you don't like it - go call
someone elseJ

 

From: MagicEME at googlegroups.com [mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bo Nilsson
Sent: 18 July 2014 20:09
To: Russ K2TXB; w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net';
FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
Subject: [Magic Band EME] Re: [FFMA] Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

 

For expedition purposes Lance found an excellent way to use the tools given
us. His way the efficiency and QSO rate goes up and more stations get a
chance to score a rare country. 

 

Note that this is the recommended method, but for those having problems to
follow the thoughts or dislike them there is always the option to go by the
book.

 

I do not see any confusion - I see opportunities!

 

73

Bo

SM7FJE

www.aaaaa.se/sm7fje 

 

PS Tnx Lance for E5, E6, 3D2, 5W, TX5 and last but not least KH8!

 

 

From: mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 8:35 PM

To: Russ K2TXB <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>  ; w7gj at q.com ; 'Magic Band EME
Group' <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>  ; 'Moon-Net'
<mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>  ; FFMA at yahoogroups.com ; '50mhz'
<mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net>  ; 'WSJT Group'
<mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>  

Subject: [FFMA] Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

 

  

He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.

 

K7CW

 

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From: Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com>
To: w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group' <MagicEME at googlegroups.com>;
'Moon-Net' <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'
<50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; 'WSJT Group' <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


> If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
answer someone else before I test the waters with you!

Say What?  Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
both his call and your own call.  Until then why would anyone send anything
but both calls?  Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
confusion for all.

73, Russ K2TXB


-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
W7GJ
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; 50mhz; WSJT Group
Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


Hello!  I have included updates fro m my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:


July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.  Lots of
fun having 
so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!  Also was nice
to have 
visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!  Worked
the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
sleep:  KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
website.  I will first call people who are copying me.  If you are copying
me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else 
before I test the waters with you!    Because the air conditioning failed
here, the 
power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
excessive internal 
heating.  We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
of the 
power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
movement.  
Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
moon was visible, 
providing the reassurance of visual aiming.  I exchanged call signs with
G8BCG, but 
since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
Others heard 
but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
and W7IUV.  
Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,  and W7JW, bringing the total
after two moon passes to 14.  At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
up (just an hour 
before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.  We were
unable to 
locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
solar 
array at the operatin g site.  We will continue to make efforts to resolve
this noise 
problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset.  Again, I ask
that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm
<http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm> !  Please
understand
that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
time.

REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!  If you have
elevation, 
or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.  When the
moon is 
above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
2, who only have that chance available to them.

It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can.  Thanks for your
cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!




GL and VY 73, Lance

--
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT  59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)!

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From sm7fje at aaaaa.se  Fri Jul 18 15:09:20 2014
From: sm7fje at aaaaa.se (Bo Nilsson)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:09:20 +0200
Subject: [50mhz] [FFMA] Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
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Message-ID: <B5CAAB200DE34C4EBA6D321B949A0BA3@BoDator>

For expedition purposes Lance found an excellent way to use the tools given us. His way the efficiency and QSO rate goes up and more stations get a chance to score a rare country. 

Note that this is the recommended method, but for those having problems to follow the thoughts or dislike them there is always the option to go by the book.

I do not see any confusion ? I see opportunities!

73
Bo
SM7FJE
www.aaaaa.se/sm7fje 

PS Tnx Lance for E5, E6, 3D2, 5W, TX5 and last but not least KH8!


From: mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 8:35 PM
To: Russ K2TXB ; w7gj at q.com ; 'Magic Band EME Group' ; 'Moon-Net' ; FFMA at yahoogroups.com ; '50mhz' ; 'WSJT Group' 
Subject: [FFMA] Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

  

He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.


K7CW



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From: Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com>
To: w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group' <MagicEME at googlegroups.com>; 'Moon-Net' <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz' <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; 'WSJT Group' <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


> If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
answer someone else before I test the waters with you!

Say What?  Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
both his call and your own call.  Until then why would anyone send anything
but both calls?  Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
confusion for all.

73, Russ K2TXB


-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
W7GJ
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; 50mhz; WSJT Group
Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


Hello!  I have included updates fro m my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:


July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.  Lots of
fun having 
so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!  Also was nice
to have 
visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!  Worked
the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
sleep:  KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
website.  I will first call people who are copying me.  If you are copying
me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else 
before I test the waters with you!    Because the air conditioning failed
here, the 
power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
excessive internal 
heating.  We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
of the 
power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
movement.  
Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
moon was visible, 
providing the reassurance of visual aiming.  I exchanged call signs with
G8BCG, but 
since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
Others heard 
but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
and W7IUV.  
Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,  and W7JW, bringing the total
after two moon passes to 14.  At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
up (just an hour 
before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.  We were
unable to 
locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
solar 
array at the operatin g site.  We will continue to make efforts to resolve
this noise 
problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset.  Again, I ask
that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm !  Please understand
that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
time.

REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!  If you have
elevation, 
or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.  When the
moon is 
above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
2, who only have that chance available to them.

It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can.  Thanks for your
cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!




GL and VY 73, Lance

--
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT  59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

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From w7gj at q.com  Fri Jul 18 23:22:00 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 03:22:00 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] 6m update from KH8 - 4th and 5th moonpasses
In-Reply-To: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com>
References: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com>
Message-ID: <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>

Sorry for the delay in updating things here - I have been kinda busy ;-)

Thursday July 17, 2014 - Fourth moon pass.  I was on from moonrise to moonset.   
Again, the night time skies were clear enough for visual aiming practically all the 
time.  Having no serious rain storms while I am at high elevations REALLY helps, 
since I have to shut down if the lower elements are in contact with the wet dacron 
guy ropes.   Stations worked this moon pass were:  On4GG, F6BKI, G4IGO, CT1HZE, 
ZL3NW, N6RMJ, W6XU, K7RWT, K8WW, W7IUV, E51SL (Es), YT1AR, SM7FJE, IW5DHN (who still 
decoded me when my moon was down to -2 degrees elevation!), and SM7AED.   That 
brought the total 6m EME stations in the log to 41.   Copied but NOT worked were: 
G8VR, W4IMD, W4CSW, N9FTC, K5RK, K5AM, W7EW, OH6MIK, HA0DU, and YU7EF.

Friday, July 18, 2015 - Fifth moon pass.  I confess that I finally crashed :-(   I 
slept 14 hours and missed the EU moonset and NA moonsets :-(   However, during the EU 
moonrise, I worked OH6MIK, HA7TM, YU7EF and HA0DU, bringing the total 6m EME worked 
to 45 so far.   Stations copied but NOT worked were:  S51DI, YO9HP, LZ2WO, 9A8A, 
OZ1DJJ, S57RR, SV8CS and UZ5DZ.

Just a reminder - PSE PSE only send me MSG #2 (calls and OOO reports) if you are 
seeing my trace in the previous period.   I use that to determine who I can work most 
quickly.  I will usually try 3 times to reply to such stations with calls and OOO 
reports to them, but if they don't reply by then with RO, I will move on to someone 
else and they are at the bottom of the list (because I just assume they are sending 
the wrong message all the time anyway).

We are working quickly through the list of active 6m EME stations, and the windows 
with EU are increasing, so there are still some good chances even though the 
Degradation is on the increase.  Remember, I have a negative horizon of 2 degrees on 
both moonrise and moonset - with ground gain lobes there! - so PSE do not wait until 
my moon is over zero degrees to look for me!    Tomorrow I will take some photos of 
my moonrise and moonset out over the ocean with NOTHING in the way ;-)

MANY of the stations I have worked have been single yagi stations. The smallest was 
again N3CXV using his 6M5X yagi aimed at the horizon during his moonset.   If you are 
a serious 6m DXer, please give me a call on 50.190 JT65A mode during your moonset.  
As long as you coordinate your calling frequency with others on the ON4KST EME CHAT 
page, you will not be QRMing anyone else.   Just do NOT change your frequency once 
you have started calling, because the DF of the callers is what I record and that is 
how I track what stations are sending what ;-)  It is very unlikely that we will copy 
each other best at exactly the same time, so it is nice if I can at least get a jump 
on a contact with you by decoding you first - PSE do NOT wait until you decode me to 
start warming up your XMTR!

A final HUGE THANK YOU to everyone for using the ON4KST EME CHAT page so well to 
coordinate your calling frequencies!  I have not missed any contacts due to QRM 
caused by stations on top of each other.   You have done an OUTSTANDING JOB of 
spreading out!  I am sure that is one of the reasons so many stations have made it 
into the log so far, despite the VERY short window with EU!   I have been able to 
access that page from time to time while I am operating, but I only rarely look at 
it, because I am busy enough decoding all the callers each sequence, making notes, 
completing contacts and  aiming the antenna.  If you have any questions about how to 
work me, please see the KH8 DXpedition page at my website, or ask some of the helpful 
6m EME stations on the ON4KST EME CHAT page.

And also, thanks for the many well wishers.  My infected toe is getting much better 
now that I have been on antibiotics for a few days.   I still have having trouble 
following the instructions of the Russian doctor at the hospital Emergency Room, 
though.  He said I needed to stay in bed for 5 days with my foot elevated.  I thanked 
him for the appointment and prescription, but explained that bedrest just was not in 
the published operating schedule on my website ;-)

I plan to be QRV from moonrise to moonset on Saturday and Sunday, and PROBABLY also 
Monday.  I hope to CU on the moon for a  REAL long path contact of half a million miles!

GL and VY 73, Lance

-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From w7gj at q.com  Sat Jul 19 23:44:58 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 03:44:58 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] 6m update from KH8 - 7th moon pass
In-Reply-To: <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>
References: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com> <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>
Message-ID: <53CB3B3A.50200@q.com>

The following is the update for Saturday July 19 from my webpage.  Several people 
brought to my attention that I omitted a summary for July 16, and I have added that 
to the web page at:

http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm

Saturday, July 19, 2015 - 7th moon pass.  On again from moonrise to moonset.  Weather 
was again good, but the most windy period so far.   Stations worked were S57RR, 
EA8DBM, G3WOS, ON4AOI, G5WQ, KD3UY, W3UUM, UT7QF, 9A8A and OZ1DJJ, bringing the total 
contacts so far on 6m EME to 55.  Stations copied but not worked were PA3HP, LA8AJA, 
EA3AKY, GM4WJA, G8VR, K6EME, JR1LZK, K4PI, KF8MY, N5DG, W9GA, K7MAC,UR5LAK, OH2BC, 
OH7TE, YO9HP, UZ5DZ, LA8AJA and PA3HP.  Conditions were were worse than yesterday due 
to the increasing Degradation (now up over 4 dB) but that still does not explain the 
difficulty we had with QSB and other total blanking out of signals.   I am wondering 
if the KH8 moonset is being disrupted now by tropo ducting effects, now that it is 
taking place during heated daylight hours.  We could see what looked like fog over 
the distant ocean horizon today, which suggests the possibility of signal entrapment 
when the antennas are aimed at the horizon.   I have experienced this before when 
running with stations experiencing such weather conditions; their EME signals 
basically disappeared when the moon dropped below 10 degrees elevation.   We are 
hoping to make up for it by contacting more new stations tomorrow, and will be on 
again from moonrise to moonset.

Hope to CU off the moon soon!  VY 73, Lance

-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From peter at g8bcg.org.uk  Sat Jul 19 02:11:54 2014
From: peter at g8bcg.org.uk (Peter G8BCG)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:11:54 +0100
Subject: [50mhz] [Magic Band EME] Re: 6m update from KH8 - 4th and 5th
	moonpasses
In-Reply-To: <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>
References: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com> <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>
Message-ID: <004f01cfa318$56ee8ad0$04cba070$@org.uk>

Hi All,
Lance continues to do an amazing job from KH8 - all the EME community needs
to do is listen to his wise words on how to work him;-)
We all appreciate the value of ON4KST chats - Alain also does an amazing job
- day in day out. 
To all those using KST to help with working Lance (or for any other reason)
- please consider option 1 in the Chat Menu - Alain will never ask you - BUT
I WILL:-)

Peter G8BCG
IO70RK
50MHz 4 x 7ele LFA 1.6kW
6m DXCC # 398 Sep 2001
6m 200DXCC Oct 2011
6m 231DXCC as of KH8/W7GJ:-)
http://www.g8bcg.org.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: MagicEME at googlegroups.com [mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lance Collister, W7GJ
Sent: 19 July 2014 04:22
To: Magic Band EME Group; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; 50mhz; WSJT Group; Moon-Net
Subject: [Magic Band EME] Re: 6m update from KH8 - 4th and 5th moonpasses

Sorry for the delay in updating things here - I have been kinda busy ;-)

Thursday July 17, 2014 - Fourth moon pass.  I was on from moonrise to
moonset.   
Again, the night time skies were clear enough for visual aiming practically
all the time.  Having no serious rain storms while I am at high elevations
REALLY helps, since I have to shut down if the lower elements are in contact
with the wet dacron 
guy ropes.   Stations worked this moon pass were:  On4GG, F6BKI, G4IGO,
CT1HZE, 
ZL3NW, N6RMJ, W6XU, K7RWT, K8WW, W7IUV, E51SL (Es), YT1AR, SM7FJE, IW5DHN
(who still 
decoded me when my moon was down to -2 degrees elevation!), and SM7AED.
That 
brought the total 6m EME stations in the log to 41.   Copied but NOT worked
were: 
G8VR, W4IMD, W4CSW, N9FTC, K5RK, K5AM, W7EW, OH6MIK, HA0DU, and YU7EF.

Friday, July 18, 2015 - Fifth moon pass.  I confess that I finally crashed
:-(   I 
slept 14 hours and missed the EU moonset and NA moonsets :-(   However,
during the EU 
moonrise, I worked OH6MIK, HA7TM, YU7EF and HA0DU, bringing the total 6m EME
worked 
to 45 so far.   Stations copied but NOT worked were:  S51DI, YO9HP, LZ2WO,
9A8A, 
OZ1DJJ, S57RR, SV8CS and UZ5DZ.

Just a reminder - PSE PSE only send me MSG #2 (calls and OOO reports) if you
are 
seeing my trace in the previous period.   I use that to determine who I can
work most 
quickly.  I will usually try 3 times to reply to such stations with calls
and OOO reports to them, but if they don't reply by then with RO, I will
move on to someone else and they are at the bottom of the list (because I
just assume they are sending the wrong message all the time anyway).

We are working quickly through the list of active 6m EME stations, and the
windows with EU are increasing, so there are still some good chances even
though the Degradation is on the increase.  Remember, I have a negative
horizon of 2 degrees on both moonrise and moonset - with ground gain lobes
there! - so PSE do not wait until 
my moon is over zero degrees to look for me!    Tomorrow I will take some
photos of 
my moonrise and moonset out over the ocean with NOTHING in the way ;-)

MANY of the stations I have worked have been single yagi stations. The
smallest was 
again N3CXV using his 6M5X yagi aimed at the horizon during his moonset.
If you are 
a serious 6m DXer, please give me a call on 50.190 JT65A mode during your
moonset.  
As long as you coordinate your calling frequency with others on the ON4KST
EME CHAT 
page, you will not be QRMing anyone else.   Just do NOT change your
frequency once 
you have started calling, because the DF of the callers is what I record and
that is how I track what stations are sending what ;-)  It is very unlikely
that we will copy each other best at exactly the same time, so it is nice if
I can at least get a jump on a contact with you by decoding you first - PSE
do NOT wait until you decode me to start warming up your XMTR!

A final HUGE THANK YOU to everyone for using the ON4KST EME CHAT page so
well to coordinate your calling frequencies!  I have not missed any contacts
due to QRM 
caused by stations on top of each other.   You have done an OUTSTANDING JOB
of 
spreading out!  I am sure that is one of the reasons so many stations have
made it 
into the log so far, despite the VERY short window with EU!   I have been
able to 
access that page from time to time while I am operating, but I only rarely
look at it, because I am busy enough decoding all the callers each sequence,
making notes, completing contacts and  aiming the antenna.  If you have any
questions about how to work me, please see the KH8 DXpedition page at my
website, or ask some of the helpful 6m EME stations on the ON4KST EME CHAT
page.

And also, thanks for the many well wishers.  My infected toe is getting much
better 
now that I have been on antibiotics for a few days.   I still have having
trouble 
following the instructions of the Russian doctor at the hospital Emergency
Room, though.  He said I needed to stay in bed for 5 days with my foot
elevated.  I thanked him for the appointment and prescription, but explained
that bedrest just was not in the published operating schedule on my website
;-)

I plan to be QRV from moonrise to moonset on Saturday and Sunday, and
PROBABLY also Monday.  I hope to CU on the moon for a  REAL long path
contact of half a million miles!

GL and VY 73, Lance

--
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)!

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From on4iq at telenet.be  Sun Jul 20 10:08:04 2014
From: on4iq at telenet.be (on4iq)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:08:04 +0200
Subject: [50mhz] 2015 EME Seychelles   S7
In-Reply-To: <53CB3B3A.50200@q.com>
References: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com> <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>
	<53CB3B3A.50200@q.com>
Message-ID: <DE56C4D65071437BBCF8169653729316@grotepc>

Good afternoon,

A very early heads up for a trip, early 2015 to S7, Seychelles for 6m EME 
and TEP.
Most likely the time frame marc-april-may to take advantage of any TEP left.

There are only 2 operators sofar so 6m only trip.( digital-pho-cw)

We are looking for input on:

- radio friendly location with nearby resort/hotel for the YL counterparts 
to stay in.
- transporting a large antenna (style 6M8GJ)
- sponsors


Drop me a mail privatly if you can assist.

Best regards

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From 50mhz at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jul 20 12:52:03 2014
From: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via 50mhz)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:52:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [50mhz] Re EA8DBM
In-Reply-To: <b0b4a.ed0aaee.40faf239@aol.com>
References: <b0b4a.ed0aaee.40faf239@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8D1725210FCF0C9-1F4-AEDD@webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com>




From k2txb at dxcc.com  Sun Jul 20 15:49:38 2014
From: k2txb at dxcc.com (Russ K2TXB)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:49:38 -0400
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
	<1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com>

Hello Paul. Well I did not realize it was only a six meter thing.  I still
do not really like the idea of having a 'secret protocol', available to only
those who read his web page or if he happens to mention it on moon net.
However I am not on six meters and so really have nothing more to say about
it.  I thought it was the same expedition as ZL1RS/KH8 and thus that the
comment was for 2 meters too.

 

Sorry about that,

73, Russ

 

 

 

From: Paul Kiesel [mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Russ K2TXB; w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net';
FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

 

He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.

 

K7CW

 

  _____  

From: Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com> >
To: w7gj at q.com <mailto:w7gj at q.com> ; 'Magic Band EME Group'
<MagicEME at googlegroups.com <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com> >; 'Moon-Net'
<moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com> >;
FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> ; '50mhz'
<50mhz at mailman.qth.net <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net> >; 'WSJT Group'
<wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


> If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
answer someone else before I test the waters with you!

Say What?  Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
both his call and your own call.  Until then why would anyone send anything
but both calls?  Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
confusion for all.

73, Russ K2TXB


-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
<mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> 
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
<mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> ] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
W7GJ
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> ; 50mhz; WSJT Group
Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


Hello!  I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:


July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.  Lots of
fun having 
so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!  Also was nice
to have 
visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!  Worked
the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
sleep:  KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
website.  I will first call people who are copying me.  If you are copying
me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else 
before I test the waters with you!    Because the air conditioning failed
here, the 
power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
excessive internal 
heating.  We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
of the 
power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
movement.  
Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
moon was visible, 
providing the reassurance of visual aiming.  I exchanged call signs with
G8BCG, but 
since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
Others heard 
but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
and W7IUV.  
Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,  and W7JW, bringing the total
after two moon passes to 14.  At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
up (just an hour 
before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.  We were
unable to 
locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
solar 
array at the operating site.  We will continue to make efforts to resolve
this noise 
problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset.  Again, I ask
that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm
<http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm> !  Please
understand
that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
time.

REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!  If you have
elevation, 
or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.  When the
moon is 
above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
2, who only have that chance available to them.

It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can.  Thanks for your
cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!




GL and VY 73, Lance

--
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(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT  59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
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From k3etd_1 at verizon.net  Sun Jul 20 20:55:29 2014
From: k3etd_1 at verizon.net (Chuck Sayers)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:55:29 -0400
Subject: [50mhz] jt-65 catch
Message-ID: <53CC6501.9010302@verizon.net>

HI all, just playing around this morning so I set the receiver to 50.190 
and fired up wsjtx1.3  for the hell of it.
I went on my merry way doing house work (dishes and laundry) and went 
and got some
food. Well later this afternoon I came up to the shack and was very 
surprised at what I
found on the screen. The rig is a FT DX 1200 with ipo amp1 on and a 40 
thru 6 carolina windom
antenna. The program says 50.276 because I didn't think I would catch 
anything.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/5msgo5ww2rc0biq/jt_65_capture.PNG


Chuck Sayers
Harrisburg Pa
FN10of
K3ETD



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From 50mhz at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jul 20 20:07:05 2014
From: 50mhz at mailman.qth.net (Paul Kiesel via 50mhz)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:07:05 -0700
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
	<1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com>
Message-ID: <1405901225.11546.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi Russ,

Well, it's not secret, at all, but well-published where all who are interested in working Lance on his expeditions can read it. But, if someone happens to not read it and calls the usual way, there might be a delay in when he gets called. This is no big deal. 


For instance, I had not been copying Lance, at all, due to an elevated noise floor here. So, I called the usual way (without OOO). I did work Lance, however. I was the seventh station to work him at KH8. He may have called earlier, but I wasn't receiving enough from him to even get a hint of a trace. I was just patient, knowing that I would probably get my chance.

Why not give those who are successfully receiving the DXpedition station the opportunity to work the DX, rather than to have to watch futile attempts of the DX station to work stations who can't copy at the moment? By sending OOO when you call the DX station, you indicate to the DX station the high probability that you will decode his call to you. This just makes sense.

Perhaps a small change in the JT65 code might provide for the kind of appropriate indicator we would like.

73, Paul K7CW



________________________________
 From: Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com>
To: 'Paul Kiesel' <k7cw at yahoo.com>; w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group' <MagicEME at googlegroups.com>; 'Moon-Net' <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz' <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; 'WSJT Group' <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
 


Hello Paul. Well I did not realize it was only a six meter thing.? I still do not really like the idea of having a ?secret protocol?, available to only those who read his web page or if he happens to mention it on moon net.? However I am not on six meters and so really have nothing more to say about it.? I thought it was the same expedition as ZL1RS/KH8 and thus that the comment was for 2 meters too.
?
Sorry about that,
73, Russ
?
?
?


From:Paul Kiesel [mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Russ K2TXB; w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net'; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
?
He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.
?
K7CW
?

________________________________

From:Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com>
To: w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group' <MagicEME at googlegroups.com>; 'Moon-Net' <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz' <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; 'WSJT Group' <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

> If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
answer someone else before I test the waters with you!

Say What?? Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
both his call and your own call.? Until then why would anyone send anything
but both calls?? Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
confusion for all.

73, Russ K2TXB


-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
W7GJ
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; 50mhz; WSJT Group
Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ


Hello!? I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:


July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8.? Lots of
fun having 
so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea!? Also was nice
to have 
visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak!? Worked
the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
sleep:? KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
website.? I will first call people who are copying me.? If you are copying
me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else 
before I test the waters with you!? ? Because the air conditioning failed
here, the 
power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
excessive internal 
heating.? We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
of the 
power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
movement.? 
Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
moon was visible, 
providing the reassurance of visual aiming.? I exchanged call signs with
G8BCG, but 
since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
Others heard 
but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
and W7IUV.? 
Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP,? and W7JW, bringing the total
after two moon passes to 14.? At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
up (just an hour 
before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone.? We were
unable to 
locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
solar 
array at the operating site.? We will continue to make efforts to resolve
this noise 
problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset.? Again, I ask
that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm !? Please understand
that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
time.

REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees!? If you have
elevation, 
or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower.? When the
moon is 
above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
2, who only have that chance available to them.

It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can.? Thanks for your
cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!




GL and VY 73, Lance

--
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT? 59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)!

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From k3etd_1 at verizon.net  Sun Jul 20 22:23:49 2014
From: k3etd_1 at verizon.net (Chuck Sayers)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:23:49 -0400
Subject: [50mhz] my jt65 catch
Message-ID: <53CC79B5.4010404@verizon.net>

oh well I can dream can't I.  I sorta figured it was too good to be 
true, he must be running some power there.
I'm not the one to ask about jt-65, I'm just playing with it at this 
point. There should be some guys on here
that can answer all your questions and guide you in the right direction.
There is a "bozo's guide to wsjt and jt-65 somewhere on the web.
Wish I could get a tower up and have the beams and station that I had 
back in
the 60's and 70's. but at this point it probably won't happen.

thanks all

Chuck Sayers
Harrisburg Pa
FN10of
K3ETD

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From w7cs at theriver.com  Mon Jul 21 02:50:30 2014
From: w7cs at theriver.com (Chuck Smallhouse)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:50:30 -0700
Subject: [50mhz] [Magic Band EME] 2015 EME Seychelles   S7
In-Reply-To: <DE56C4D65071437BBCF8169653729316@grotepc>
References: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com> <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>
	<53CB3B3A.50200@q.com> <DE56C4D65071437BBCF8169653729316@grotepc>
Message-ID: <20140720235039.4790BD1C@dm0213.mta.everyone.net>

Johan,

I visited the island when the aerospace company that I worked for 
installed a large *60' dish satellite tracking station for the 
USAF,  We later had the Operation and Maintenance contract for that 
site, as well doing all of the engineering modernizations over the 
about 30 years that it was in existence.

I hear rumors that the site, on top of the granite mountain has been 
abandoned and a Shaw or other wealth individual has since built a 
large estate on that site ?

I would be willing to give you some of my recollections of the 
topography and old area introspectives, unless you can find others 
who have more recently visited there.  I has last there in the early 
'80s, but even then it had quite a bit of tourist trade, especially 
from mid EU.

Chuck,  W7CS

.

At 07:08 AM 7/20/2014, on4iq wrote:
>Good afternoon,
>
>A very early heads up for a trip, early 2015 to S7, Seychelles for 
>6m EME and TEP.
>Most likely the time frame marc-april-may to take advantage of any TEP left.
>
>There are only 2 operators sofar so 6m only trip.( digital-pho-cw)
>
>We are looking for input on:
>
>- radio friendly location with nearby resort/hotel for the YL 
>counterparts to stay in.
>- transporting a large antenna (style 6M8GJ)
>- sponsors
>
>
>Drop me a mail privatly if you can assist.
>
>Best regards
>
>Johan
>
>
>
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From w7gj at q.com  Mon Jul 21 23:15:08 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 03:15:08 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] 6m update from KH8 - 8th & 9th moon pass
In-Reply-To: <53CB3B3A.50200@q.com>
References: <53C63C4A.3050505@q.com> <53C9E458.2040708@q.com>
	<53CB3B3A.50200@q.com>
Message-ID: <53CDD73C.8070109@q.com>

The following is the update for Saturday July 20 and July 21 from my webpage.

http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm

Saturday, July 19, 2015 - 7th moon pass.  On again moonrise to moonset. Kp was 0.3, 
and the Degradation was -4.4 dB.  The moonrise seemed to be somewhat impaired and I 
wonder if it might have been trapping due to some sort of tropospheric inversions on 
this end. There seemed to be fog or mist over the ocean, and I have seen such 
trapping taking place on other stations when they were aimed on the horizon.   In 
addition, the moonsets (now during the day) suffered severely, probably due to the 
high TEC levels toward the west at mid-day.  During moonset, no signals at all were 
heard for many sequences, and the band seemed extremely erratic, with signals 
suddenly appearing once and then completely disappearing.

However, despite these less than ideal conditions, there still seemed to be a number 
of stations anxious to try to work this rare DXCC.   I completed with PA3HP, LA8AJA, 
G4FUF, W7GJ (special thanks to the "Home Team" of KB7Q, AJ7LL, K7VK and K7PX!), 
OH2BC, JR6EXN, and UZ5DZ.  Stations copied but not worked were: OK1RD, HB9Q, EA7KW, 
GM4WJA, JR1LZK, VK5PO, K4RX, W4CSW, N8OC, W5UN, K7MAC, YO9HP, OZ7OX, S51DI, PE1L, 
UR7DWW, and LZ2WO.

Monday, July 21, 2015 - 8th moon pass. As previously announced, I was only QRV from 
KH8 moonrise through JA moonrise.  Degradation was -4.8 dB and Kp = 1.0.  Again, 
extensive Es from western EU to the eastern half of NA severely interfered with 
stations beaming toward their moonset.  The only stations worked were OZ4VV and 
GM4WJA, bringing the total worked so far up to 64, far surpassing the totals from 
previous 6m EME DXpeditions ;-)  The number of stations capable of 6m EME is greatly 
increasing!  Stations copied but not worked were IK5MEN, OK1RD, HB9Q, and JR1LZK.  
Thanks to everyone for your patience and attempts under adverse conditions!  I hope 
that we can have better success during the final days of operation next weekend, 
Saturday July 26 and Sunday, July 27.  Even though it is full moon next weekend, the 
Degradation will be considerably lower, and unless the sun is abnormally active and 
there is unusually intense Es in NA and EU, there should be some good chances for 
those who still are close to making a contact.  Best of luck to you all, and rest 
assured that I will be QRV again moonrise to moonset on both Saturday and Sunday next 
weekend, looking hard for new stations!   I will be starting to dismantle the station 
after KH8 moonset on July 27, and will take down the antenna and pack it up to leave 
American Samoa on Monday July 28.

GL and VY 73, Lance

-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From co8ly at frcuba.co.cu  Wed Jul 23 09:27:07 2014
From: co8ly at frcuba.co.cu (co8ly)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:27:07 -0400
Subject: [50mhz] From CO8LY
Message-ID: <C4D57E220F8C4183A504E02723948BC3@co8ly>

I am interested in working JT65 in 6mtrs but I need somebody that me  
help to configure the program WSJT Version 7.02 r1018.  
  
Thank you in advance.
73.' Eduardo CO8LY
Grid  FL20la


From w7gj at q.com  Thu Jul 24 16:40:35 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 20:40:35 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] From CO8LY
In-Reply-To: <C4D57E220F8C4183A504E02723948BC3@co8ly>
References: <C4D57E220F8C4183A504E02723948BC3@co8ly>
Message-ID: <53D16F43.3070106@q.com>

Hello Eduardo,

I suggest you use a more recent version if you are able to download one.   Here is 
the information on how to set it up for success on 6m EME.  You can also use it for 
making weak signal terrestrial contacts, as long as it is multihop Es, or is at a 
time of day when you will not get meteor scatter interference:

http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/JT65.pdf

GL and VY 73, Lance



On 7/23/2014 1:27 PM, co8ly wrote:
> I am interested in working JT65 in 6mtrs but I need somebody that me
> help to configure the program WSJT Version 7.02 r1018.
>    
> Thank you in advance.
> 73.' Eduardo CO8LY
> Grid  FL20la
>
>
>
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(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From w7gj at q.com  Thu Jul 24 17:13:20 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 21:13:20 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] jt-65 catch
In-Reply-To: <53CC6501.9010302@verizon.net>
References: <53CC6501.9010302@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <53D176F0.6040408@q.com>

Hi Chuck,

It looks like you copied K7XQ on an Es opening while he was calling me on 6m EME.   I 
know you had really extensive Es at that time, and I am not surprised that you could 
copy him on Es.   The unusually strong Es back in NA and in EU was in fact one of the 
reasons I was having trouble working stations back there on EME at that time.  
Hopefully the Es will settle down this coming weekend, my last for operating 6m EME 
from KH8. Just as a side note, all 6m EME uses WSJT9 (or similar) versions of JT65a - 
NOT the JT65A version that you have for terrestrial propagation.   The signal report 
and exchange modes are 4 dB more sensitive in  the EME version.   GL and  VY 73, Lance


  On 7/21/2014 12:55 AM, Chuck Sayers wrote:
> HI all, just playing around this morning so I set the receiver to 50.190 and fired 
> up wsjtx1.3  for the hell of it.
> I went on my merry way doing house work (dishes and laundry) and went and got some
> food. Well later this afternoon I came up to the shack and was very surprised at 
> what I
> found on the screen. The rig is a FT DX 1200 with ipo amp1 on and a 40 thru 6 
> carolina windom
> antenna. The program says 50.276 because I didn't think I would catch anything.
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5msgo5ww2rc0biq/jt_65_capture.PNG
>
>
> Chuck Sayers
> Harrisburg Pa
> FN10of
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TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
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From w7gj at q.com  Thu Jul 24 17:38:39 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 21:38:39 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
	<1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com>
Message-ID: <53D17CDF.3070207@q.com>

Hi Russ,

The reason I adopted the revised procedure for callers was so I could tell which 
callers are copying me, and try to complete with them first. This is the way I have 
been able to quickly work a number of stations on my 6m EME DXpeditions, where most 
of the stations are extremely weak, many stations are horizon-only (limiting their 
potential moon time to a couple sharp ground gain lobes) and the Faraday rotation can 
be very slow ( locking out stations for long periods of time). Spending a long time 
calling stations who do not copy you is counter productive and unnecessarily prevents 
contacts with other stations with whom 3 minute exchanges would be possible.

On all but one of my six 50 MHz EME DXpeditions, I have not had any internet access, 
and I don't plan on having any such access on future 6m EME DXpeditions either. 
Therefore, I can't operate JT65 as many people on some bands do, replying to stations 
that report via the internet that they are copying them! My operations are much more 
"random" and are completely based on actual radio contacts. The decision to have 
stations call with OOO if they are copying me in the previous sequence was made 
because it was the only way I could get both calls AND the information as to which 
stations were copying at that time. Since I treat such a call as a call with 
callsigns only, my responses are always either calls and OOO or final RRR (in strict 
accordance with the time honored EME contact protocol).

In response to your comment, this protocol is far from "secret", and I have been 
encouraging all callers to use it on each of my 6m EME DXpeditions if they have any 
interest on working me from a new DXCC. I don't have the luxury of having many strong 
stations to work, with lots of "extra margin" to make up for polarity mismatch. Nor 
do I have the luxury of cross polarization or circular polarization on 6m. This is 
the best solution I have found for me on my 6m EME DXpeditions, and the proof is in 
the pudding. I am up to 64 stations logged on 6m EME up to this point, far exceeding 
my other records for stations worked on such DXpeditions....and I still have one more 
weekend left to go. I am happy to be able to provide a rare DXCC for serious 6m EME 
operators around the world, and greatly appreciate their willingness to learn and 
follow this most productive procedure.

GL and VY 73, Lance

On 7/20/2014 7:49 PM, Russ K2TXB wrote:
>
> Hello Paul. Well I did not realize it was only a six meter thing. I still do not 
> really like the idea of having a ?secret protocol?, available to only those who 
> read his web page or if he happens to mention it on moon net. However I am not on 
> six meters and so really have nothing more to say about it. I thought it was the 
> same expedition as ZL1RS/KH8 and thus that the comment was for 2 meters too.
>
> Sorry about that,
>
> 73, Russ
>
> *From:*Paul Kiesel [mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 2:36 PM
> *To:* Russ K2TXB; w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net'; 
> FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
> He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.
>
> K7CW
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>>
> *To:* w7gj at q.com <mailto:w7gj at q.com>; 'Magic Band EME Group' 
> <MagicEME at googlegroups.com <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>>; 'Moon-Net' 
> <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>>; 
> FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; '50mhz' <50mhz at mailman.qth.net 
> <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net>>; 'WSJT Group' <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
>
> > If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
> answer someone else before I test the waters with you!
>
> Say What? Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have received
> both his call and your own call. Until then why would anyone send anything
> but both calls? Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
> confusion for all.
>
> 73, Russ K2TXB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com 
> <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>] On Behalf Of Lance Collister,
> W7GJ
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
> To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; 50mhz; WSJT Group
> Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
>
> Hello! I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:
>
>
> July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8. Lots of
> fun having
> so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea! Also was nice
> to have
> visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked us
> in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
> log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak! Worked
> the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
> sleep: KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
> Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and W4CSW.
> Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
> website. I will first call people who are copying me. If you are copying
> me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else
> before I test the waters with you! Because the air conditioning failed
> here, the
> power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
> July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
> problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
> excessive internal
> heating. We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
> of the
> power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
> movement.
> Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
> second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later the
> moon was visible,
> providing the reassurance of visual aiming. I exchanged call signs with
> G8BCG, but
> since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
> Others heard
> but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
> and W7IUV.
> Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP, and W7JW, bringing the total
> after two moon passes to 14. At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
> up (just an hour
> before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone. We were
> unable to
> locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the extensive
> solar
> array at the operating site. We will continue to make efforts to resolve
> this noise
> problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
> month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) ,
> since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset. Again, I ask
> that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ
> MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm ! Please understand
> that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
> way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
> here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
> time.
>
> REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees! If you have
> elevation,
> or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower. When the
> moon is
> above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in Region
> 2, who only have that chance available to them.
>
> It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
> narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
> day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can. Thanks for your
> cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!
>
>
>
>
> GL and VY 73, Lance
>
> --
> Lance Collister, W7GJ
> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K)
> P.O. Box 73
> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073
> USA
> TEL: (406) 626-5728
> QTH: DN27ub
> URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
> Skype: lanceW7GJ
> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815
>
> Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email
> group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at
> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at 
> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>


-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
page (above)!


From n8djb at coastalwave.net  Thu Jul 24 22:10:51 2014
From: n8djb at coastalwave.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 22:10:51 -0400
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <53D17CDF.3070207@q.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com>
	<034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com><1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com>
	<53D17CDF.3070207@q.com>
Message-ID: <114CB0E149064DD6846CDF51776A745A@House>

Ding !  and the light bulb in my head comes on. Thanks Lance.

This thread has been confusing and I think I know why. It's a 'mind-set' 
issue. Some of us who have been on EME for decades still think in terms of 
CW and SSB protocols and operating techniques. When writers mentioned 
stations calling Lance w/o hearing/copying him, I'm like..whaaat ??

So the master, Lance, puts it in perspective. Evidently on the digital 
modes, stations call someone BEFORE  they actually hear/copy them ! This is 
totally foreign to my way of operating; and I suspect from reading the 
thread that I'm not the only one. Stations are calling Lance before even 
copying him. In the old way of thinking; that's nuts !
And even with Internet postings and live chat; how would one know the exact 
frequency to call on ?  But now that's an outdated thought process 
evidently.

With digital, stations KNOW exactly what frequency the other guy is on; they 
KNOW his sequence, they KNOW his exact call (and prefix). So why not go 
ahead and call and hope that he will see and decode your signal out of the 
mess.

All of a sudden, thanks to Lance's explanation; it finally makes sense.

Craig,
N8DJB



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Lance Collister, W7GJ" <w7gj at q.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:38 PM
To: "Russ K2TXB" <k2txb at dxcc.com>; "'Paul Kiesel'" <k7cw at yahoo.com>; "'Magic 
Band EME Group'" <MagicEME at googlegroups.com>; "'Moon-Net'" 
<moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; <FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; "'50mhz'" 
<50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; "'WSJT Group'" <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

> Hi Russ,
>
> The reason I adopted the revised procedure for callers was so I could tell 
> which
> callers are copying me, and try to complete with them first. This is the 
> way I have
> been able to quickly work a number of stations on my 6m EME DXpeditions, 
> where most
> of the stations are extremely weak, many stations are horizon-only 
> (limiting their
> potential moon time to a couple sharp ground gain lobes) and the Faraday 
> rotation can
> be very slow ( locking out stations for long periods of time). Spending a 
> long time
> calling stations who do not copy you is counter productive and 
> unnecessarily prevents
> contacts with other stations with whom 3 minute exchanges would be 
> possible.
>
> On all but one of my six 50 MHz EME DXpeditions, I have not had any 
> internet access,
> and I don't plan on having any such access on future 6m EME DXpeditions 
> either.
> Therefore, I can't operate JT65 as many people on some bands do, replying 
> to stations
> that report via the internet that they are copying them! My operations are 
> much more
> "random" and are completely based on actual radio contacts. The decision 
> to have
> stations call with OOO if they are copying me in the previous sequence was 
> made
> because it was the only way I could get both calls AND the information as 
> to which
> stations were copying at that time. Since I treat such a call as a call 
> with
> callsigns only, my responses are always either calls and OOO or final RRR 
> (in strict
> accordance with the time honored EME contact protocol).
>
> In response to your comment, this protocol is far from "secret", and I 
> have been
> encouraging all callers to use it on each of my 6m EME DXpeditions if they 
> have any
> interest on working me from a new DXCC. I don't have the luxury of having 
> many strong
> stations to work, with lots of "extra margin" to make up for polarity 
> mismatch. Nor
> do I have the luxury of cross polarization or circular polarization on 6m. 
> This is
> the best solution I have found for me on my 6m EME DXpeditions, and the 
> proof is in
> the pudding. I am up to 64 stations logged on 6m EME up to this point, far 
> exceeding
> my other records for stations worked on such DXpeditions....and I still 
> have one more
> weekend left to go. I am happy to be able to provide a rare DXCC for 
> serious 6m EME
> operators around the world, and greatly appreciate their willingness to 
> learn and
> follow this most productive procedure.
>
> GL and VY 73, Lance
>
> On 7/20/2014 7:49 PM, Russ K2TXB wrote:
>>
>> Hello Paul. Well I did not realize it was only a six meter thing. I still 
>> do not
>> really like the idea of having a ?secret protocol?, available to only 
>> those who
>> read his web page or if he happens to mention it on moon net. However I 
>> am not on
>> six meters and so really have nothing more to say about it. I thought it 
>> was the
>> same expedition as ZL1RS/KH8 and thus that the comment was for 2 meters 
>> too.
>>
>> Sorry about that,
>>
>> 73, Russ
>>
>> *From:*Paul Kiesel [mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 2:36 PM
>> *To:* Russ K2TXB; w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net';
>> FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>>
>> He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.
>>
>> K7CW
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:*Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>>
>> *To:* w7gj at q.com <mailto:w7gj at q.com>; 'Magic Band EME Group'
>> <MagicEME at googlegroups.com <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>>; 
>> 'Moon-Net'
>> <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>>;
>> FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; '50mhz' 
>> <50mhz at mailman.qth.net
>> <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net>>; 'WSJT Group' <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>>
>>
>> > If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I
>> answer someone else before I test the waters with you!
>>
>> Say What? Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have 
>> received
>> both his call and your own call. Until then why would anyone send 
>> anything
>> but both calls? Please do not invent your own procedure... Too much
>> confusion for all.
>>
>> 73, Russ K2TXB
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com 
>> <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
>> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
>> <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>] On Behalf Of Lance 
>> Collister,
>> W7GJ
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
>> To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; 50mhz; WSJT Group
>> Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>>
>>
>> Hello! I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:
>>
>>
>> July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8. Lots of
>> fun having
>> so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea! Also was nice
>> to have
>> visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked 
>> us
>> in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
>> log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak! Worked
>> the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
>> sleep: KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
>> Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and 
>> W4CSW.
>> Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
>> website. I will first call people who are copying me. If you are copying
>> me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else
>> before I test the waters with you! Because the air conditioning failed
>> here, the
>> power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
>> July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
>> problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
>> excessive internal
>> heating. We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
>> of the
>> power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
>> movement.
>> Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
>> second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later 
>> the
>> moon was visible,
>> providing the reassurance of visual aiming. I exchanged call signs with
>> G8BCG, but
>> since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
>> Others heard
>> but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
>> and W7IUV.
>> Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP, and W7JW, bringing the total
>> after two moon passes to 14. At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
>> up (just an hour
>> before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone. We were
>> unable to
>> locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the 
>> extensive
>> solar
>> array at the operating site. We will continue to make efforts to resolve
>> this noise
>> problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
>> month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z) 
>> ,
>> since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset. Again, I 
>> ask
>> that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE 
>> READ
>> MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
>> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm ! Please 
>> understand
>> that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
>> way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
>> here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
>> time.
>>
>> REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees! If you have
>> elevation,
>> or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower. When the
>> moon is
>> above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in 
>> Region
>> 2, who only have that chance available to them.
>>
>> It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
>> narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
>> day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can. Thanks for your
>> cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> GL and VY 73, Lance
>>
>> --
>> Lance Collister, W7GJ
>> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, 
>> TX5K)
>> P.O. Box 73
>> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073
>> USA
>> TEL: (406) 626-5728
>> QTH: DN27ub
>> URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
>> Skype: lanceW7GJ
>> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815
>>
>> Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME 
>> email
>> group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page 
>> (above)!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at
>> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at
>> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Lance Collister, W7GJ
> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, 
> TX5K, KH8/W7GJ)
> P.O. Box 73
> Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
> USA
> TEL: (406) 626-5728
> QTH: DN27ub
> URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
> Skype: lanceW7GJ
> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815
>
> Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
> email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
> page (above)!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at 
> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>
> 

From greenacres113 at charter.net  Fri Jul 25 15:49:38 2014
From: greenacres113 at charter.net (r miles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:49:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [50mhz] Questions abt DXMAPS site
Message-ID: <2f0b869c.58f9c.1476f1256a1.Webtop.44@charter.net>


Been a follower  several seasons & I'm curious abt a coupla' things. EU 
has QSO lines  [ at 19z today] all over the place & NA has none. The MUF 
map shows EU  with lots of 6m MUF & NA nada.
I know we have diff. prop but curious if 6m is really 'more alive' in EU 
than NA.  I know the site is based in EU. Is that why? More reporting.
JA, BY & KH6 will show up on the world map with activity but most of 
Asia, Africa & Oceania almost never show QSOs or MUF reports. Is it lack 
of activity or is prop that bad in those places?

I really enjoy the map as it can tell you whats on or what might be 
coming your way. Just curious abt it.
..................

BTW here in EM56 it's been a mixed season. One really gud opening to EU 
one day. Best in  the past 3 yr.s. No JA or Oceania yet. We had a gud  1 
day opening to KL7 & I managed to  work my 50th state.

Carrib openings have been limited but sometimes quite gud. The best this 
summer  was a late April opening one day to VP8.

Gud DX  K9IL

From w7gj at q.com  Fri Jul 25 16:41:27 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:41:27 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] [Magic Band EME] RE: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
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Almost, Barry.... You will see that I ask all stations to call me whether they are 
copying me or not. If they are NOT copying me at a particular time, they call me with 
just callsigns. If they ARE seeing my trace at that particular time, they are asked 
to indicate that by calling with reports (JT65A message number 2). As long as they 
spread out by coordinating their calling frequencies on the ON4KST EME CHAT page, I 
won't have QRM between them, and I can decode all callers every sequence to see who I 
can best call next and what frequency they are on.

Because 6m EME is such a difficult undertaking, and stations only rarely copy each 
other at the same time, it necessary for stations to call even if they are not 
copying me, since that may be precisely the time when I can decode them and identify 
their telltale DF (or offset frequency from mine). This is not so much a function of 
the new sensitive digital modes (which admittedly DO make 6m EME possible), as the 
propagation problems involved with 6m EME signals.

6m EME is certainly not for HF types who expect a 5 second contact. Often the 
contacts take a long time, while we wait for Faraday rotation to turn the polarity 
around so each of us has a chance to receive the next piece of information in the 
traditional contact protocol. It also becomes more complicated when one or both 
stations are pointed at the horizon and are also relying on the moon to move through 
narrow ground gain lobes to provide enough gain to make the half million mile trip. 
In that case, both the gain and the polarity have to line up sequentially for each 
station to receive the extremely weak transmissions from the other. And of course, 
just to make it more of challenge, there are additional considerations such as 
geomagnetic disturbances, high TEC content, Es shielding, tropo ducting to trap 
signals, and variations in Degradation from orbital mechanics to disrupt the contact.

Yes, it is often a very slow and tedious process and requires much patience. However, 
it is very often the only way to make contacts on 6m with stations on the other side 
of the world, and is very much appreciated by serious 6m DXers. So, in summary, it is 
admittedly one of the most challenging bands for EME, which also makes a contact 
there one of the most rewarding ;-)

Given the fact that I have far exceeded the number of contacts completed during my 
past 6m EME DXpeditions, despite the very limited common moon windows with Europe 
from down here, it is evident that more and more 6m stations have geared up for 6m 
EME. It also shows that this operating site - with negative horizon over the ocean on 
both moonset and moonrise - was very effective in making the most of the limited 
common moon windows.

One of the most effective keys to the success of a 6m EME DXpedition is choosing a 
site that will be most effective in providing the windows and ground gain lobes 
needed. You sure don't want to travel halfway around the world to activate a rare 
DXCC only to set up an antenna that is blocked by a building or a mountain! In this 
case, it was definitely worth the 1.5 hour commute each way to this amazing operating 
site - the best from which I have ever had the pleasure of operating! Best wishes to 
everyone for success on the last two days this coming weekend!

GL and VY 73, Lance


On 7/25/2014 7:15 AM, Barry Garratt wrote:
>
> Not exactly Craig. Read again what Lance says.
>
> ?The decision to have stations *call with OOO if they are copying me*in the 
> previous sequence was made
>
> > because it was the only way I could get both calls AND the information
>
> > as to which stations were copying at that time.?
>
> Stations are calling if they hear him NOT on the off chance they might hear/see him.
>
> That said I?m sure some will call without seeing his signal and if Lance responds 
> to them and they don?t answer within a set period Lance moves on. That of course 
> wastes valuable time and is discouraged.
>
> When I go to a rare grid and operate meteor scatter I operate in a similar fashion. 
> More like what I call contest or pileup mode. If you see me call me and keep 
> calling until I work you. I can decode multiple stations off a single meteor burst 
> and while I?m working one station I?m also writing down calls of stations of 
> stations I?m decoding. I just work my way through the list until no one else is 
> calling at which time I start to CQ again.
>
> When Dennis K7BV and I went to CM93 a couple of years ago I was the first to get 
> active. I sent one ?test? just to make sure things were working correctly. Folks 
> knew what QRG I use and were watching/waiting. That simple one sequence ?test? was 
> all it took and in the next hour I worked 45 stations without calling single CQ. 
> Folks knew the procedure I use and made good use of it. Some didn?t so their 
> contact took a tad longer but all in all my style works for me the same as Lance?s 
> works for him.
>
> Glad though this is starting to make sense Craig.
>
> Take care,
>
> Barry KS7DX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com 
> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Craig
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 07:11 PM
> To: w7gj at q.com; Russ K2TXB; 'Paul Kiesel'; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net'; 
> FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
> Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
> Ding ! and the light bulb in my head comes on. Thanks Lance.
>
> This thread has been confusing and I think I know why. It's a 'mind-set'
>
> issue. Some of us who have been on EME for decades still think in terms of CW and 
> SSB protocols and operating techniques. When writers mentioned stations calling 
> Lance w/o hearing/copying him, I'm like..whaaat ??
>
> So the master, Lance, puts it in perspective. Evidently on the digital modes, 
> stations call someone BEFORE they actually hear/copy them ! This is totally foreign 
> to my way of operating; and I suspect from reading the thread that I'm not the only 
> one. Stations are calling Lance before even copying him. In the old way of 
> thinking; that's nuts !
>
> And even with Internet postings and live chat; how would one know the exact 
> frequency to call on ? But now that's an outdated thought process evidently.
>
> With digital, stations KNOW exactly what frequency the other guy is on; they KNOW 
> his sequence, they KNOW his exact call (and prefix). So why not go ahead and call 
> and hope that he will see and decode your signal out of the mess.
>
> All of a sudden, thanks to Lance's explanation; it finally makes sense.
>
> Craig,
>
> N8DJB
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Lance Collister, W7GJ" <w7gj at q.com <mailto:w7gj at q.com>>
>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:38 PM
>
> To: "Russ K2TXB" <k2txb at dxcc.com <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>>; "'Paul Kiesel'" 
> <k7cw at yahoo.com <mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com>>; "'Magic Band EME Group'" 
> <MagicEME at googlegroups.com <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>>; "'Moon-Net'"
>
> <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>>; 
> <FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>>; "'50mhz'"
>
> <50mhz at mailman.qth.net <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net>>; "'WSJT Group'" 
> <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>>
>
> Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
> > Hi Russ,
>
> >
>
> > The reason I adopted the revised procedure for callers was so I could
>
> > tell which callers are copying me, and try to complete with them
>
> > first. This is the way I have been able to quickly work a number of
>
> > stations on my 6m EME DXpeditions, where most of the stations are
>
> > extremely weak, many stations are horizon-only (limiting their
>
> > potential moon time to a couple sharp ground gain lobes) and the
>
> > Faraday rotation can be very slow ( locking out stations for long
>
> > periods of time). Spending a long time calling stations who do not
>
> > copy you is counter productive and unnecessarily prevents contacts
>
> > with other stations with whom 3 minute exchanges would be possible.
>
> >
>
> > On all but one of my six 50 MHz EME DXpeditions, I have not had any
>
> > internet access, and I don't plan on having any such access on future
>
> > 6m EME DXpeditions either.
>
> > Therefore, I can't operate JT65 as many people on some bands do,
>
> > replying to stations that report via the internet that they are
>
> > copying them! My operations are much more "random" and are completely
>
> > based on actual radio contacts. The decision to have stations call
>
> > with OOO if they are copying me in the previous sequence was made
>
> > because it was the only way I could get both calls AND the information
>
> > as to which stations were copying at that time. Since I treat such a
>
> > call as a call with callsigns only, my responses are always either
>
> > calls and OOO or final RRR (in strict accordance with the time honored
>
> > EME contact protocol).
>
> >
>
> > In response to your comment, this protocol is far from "secret", and I
>
> > have been encouraging all callers to use it on each of my 6m EME
>
> > DXpeditions if they have any interest on working me from a new DXCC. I
>
> > don't have the luxury of having many strong stations to work, with
>
> > lots of "extra margin" to make up for polarity mismatch. Nor do I have
>
> > the luxury of cross polarization or circular polarization on 6m.
>
> > This is
>
> > the best solution I have found for me on my 6m EME DXpeditions, and
>
> > the proof is in the pudding. I am up to 64 stations logged on 6m EME
>
> > up to this point, far exceeding my other records for stations worked
>
> > on such DXpeditions....and I still have one more weekend left to go. I
>
> > am happy to be able to provide a rare DXCC for serious 6m EME
>
> > operators around the world, and greatly appreciate their willingness
>
> > to learn and follow this most productive procedure.
>
> >
>
> > GL and VY 73, Lance
>
> >
>
> > On 7/20/2014 7:49 PM, Russ K2TXB wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Hello Paul. Well I did not realize it was only a six meter thing. I
>
> >> still do not really like the idea of having a ?secret protocol?,
>
> >> available to only those who read his web page or if he happens to
>
> >> mention it on moon net. However I am not on six meters and so really
>
> >> have nothing more to say about it. I thought it was the same
>
> >> expedition as ZL1RS/KH8 and thus that the comment was for 2 meters
>
> >> too.
>
> >>
>
> >> Sorry about that,
>
> >>
>
> >> 73, Russ
>
> >>
>
> >> *From:*Paul Kiesel [mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com]
>
> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 2:36 PM
>
> >> *To:* Russ K2TXB;w7gj at q.com <mailto:w7gj at q.com>; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net';
>
> >>FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
> >>
>
> >> He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.
>
> >>
>
> >> K7CW
>
> >>
>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> ----------------
>
> >>
>
> >> *From:*Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com 
> <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com%20%3cmailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>>>
>
> >> *To:*w7gj at q.com <mailto:w7gj at q.com> <mailto:w7gj at q.com>; 'Magic Band EME Group'
>
> >> <MagicEME at googlegroups.com <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com%20%3cmailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>>>;
>
> >> 'Moon-Net'
>
> >> <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com 
> <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com%20%3cmailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>>>;
>
> >>FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; 
> '50mhz'
>
> >> <50mhz at mailman.qth.net
>
> >> <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net>>; 'WSJT Group'
>
> >> <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com%20%3cmailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>>>
>
> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if
>
> >> > I
>
> >> answer someone else before I test the waters with you!
>
> >>
>
> >> Say What? Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have
>
> >> received both his call and your own call. Until then why would anyone
>
> >> send anything but both calls? Please do not invent your own
>
> >> procedure... Too much confusion for all.
>
> >>
>
> >> 73, Russ K2TXB
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> From:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
>
> >> <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
>
> >> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
>
> >> <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>] On Behalf Of Lance
>
> >> Collister, W7GJ
>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
>
> >> To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>
>
> >> <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; 50mhz; WSJT Group
>
> >> Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Hello! I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8. Lots of
>
> >> fun having
>
> >> so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea! Also was nice
>
> >> to have
>
> >> visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked
>
> >> us
>
> >> in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the
>
> >> log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak! Worked
>
> >> the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some
>
> >> sleep: KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
>
> >> Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and
>
> >> W4CSW.
>
> >> Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my
>
> >> website. I will first call people who are copying me. If you are copying
>
> >> me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else
>
> >> before I test the waters with you! Because the air conditioning failed
>
> >> here, the
>
> >> power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.
>
> >> July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the
>
> >> problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to
>
> >> excessive internal
>
> >> heating. We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front
>
> >> of the
>
> >> power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air
>
> >> movement.
>
> >> Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the
>
> >> second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later
>
> >> the
>
> >> moon was visible,
>
> >> providing the reassurance of visual aiming. I exchanged call signs with
>
> >> G8BCG, but
>
> >> since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
>
> >> Others heard
>
> >> but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT
>
> >> and W7IUV.
>
> >> Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP, and W7JW, bringing the total
>
> >> after two moon passes to 14. At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come
>
> >> up (just an hour
>
> >> before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone. We were
>
> >> unable to
>
> >> locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the
>
> >> extensive
>
> >> solar
>
> >> array at the operating site. We will continue to make efforts to resolve
>
> >> this noise
>
> >> problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the
>
> >> month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z)
>
> >> ,
>
> >> since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset. Again, I
>
> >> ask
>
> >> that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
>
> >> READ
>
> >> MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:
>
> >>http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm ! Please
>
> >> understand
>
> >> that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only
>
> >> way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using
>
> >> here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that
>
> >> time.
>
> >>
>
> >> REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees! If you have
>
> >> elevation,
>
> >> or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower. When the
>
> >> moon is
>
> >> above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in
>
> >> Region
>
> >> 2, who only have that chance available to them.
>
> >>
>
> >> It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the
>
> >> narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every
>
> >> day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can. Thanks for your
>
> >> cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> GL and VY 73, Lance
>
> >>
>
> >> --
>
> >> Lance Collister, W7GJ
>
> >> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M,
>
> >> TX5K)
>
> >> P.O. Box 73
>
> >> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073
>
> >> USA
>
> >> TEL: (406) 626-5728
>
> >> QTH: DN27ub
>
> >> URL:http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
>
> >> Skype: lanceW7GJ
>
> >> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815
>
> >>
>
> >> Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
>
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> >> group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page
>
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>
> >>
>
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>
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> > --
>
> > Lance Collister, W7GJ
>
> > (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M,
>
> > TX5K, KH8/W7GJ)
>
> > P.O. Box 73
>
> > Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
>
> > USA
>
> > TEL: (406) 626-5728
>
> > QTH: DN27ub
>
> > URL:http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
>
> > Skype: lanceW7GJ
>
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>
> >
>
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>
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From bgarratt at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 25 03:15:59 2014
From: bgarratt at earthlink.net (Barry Garratt)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 00:15:59 -0700
Subject: [50mhz] [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <114CB0E149064DD6846CDF51776A745A@House>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com>	<034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com><1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com>	<53D17CDF.3070207@q.com>
	<114CB0E149064DD6846CDF51776A745A@House>
Message-ID: <004401cfa7d8$4a1ec9e0$de5c5da0$@earthlink.net>

Not exactly Craig. Read again what Lance says.

"The decision to have stations call with OOO if they are copying me in the
previous sequence was made 

> because it was the only way I could get both calls AND the information 

> as to which stations were copying at that time."

 

Stations are calling if they hear him NOT on the off chance they might
hear/see him. 

 

That said I'm sure some will call without seeing his signal and if Lance
responds to them and they don't answer within a set period Lance moves on.
That of course wastes valuable time and is discouraged.

 

When I go to a rare grid and operate meteor scatter I operate in a similar
fashion. More like what I call contest or pileup mode. If you see me call me
and keep calling until I work you. I can decode multiple stations off a
single meteor burst and while I'm working one station I'm also writing down
calls of stations of stations I'm decoding. I just work my way through the
list until no one else is calling at which time I start to CQ again.

 

When Dennis K7BV and I went to CM93 a couple of years ago I was the first to
get active. I sent one "test" just to make sure things were working
correctly. Folks knew what QRG I use and were watching/waiting. That simple
one sequence "test" was all it took and in the next hour I worked 45
stations without calling single CQ. Folks knew the procedure I use and made
good use of it. Some didn't so their contact took a tad longer but all in
all my style works for me the same as Lance's works for him.

 

Glad though this is starting to make sense Craig.

 

Take care,

 

Barry KS7DX  

 

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 07:11 PM
To: w7gj at q.com; Russ K2TXB; 'Paul Kiesel'; 'Magic Band EME Group';
'Moon-Net'; FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

 

Ding !  and the light bulb in my head comes on. Thanks Lance.

 

This thread has been confusing and I think I know why. It's a 'mind-set' 

issue. Some of us who have been on EME for decades still think in terms of
CW and SSB protocols and operating techniques. When writers mentioned
stations calling Lance w/o hearing/copying him, I'm like..whaaat ??

 

So the master, Lance, puts it in perspective. Evidently on the digital
modes, stations call someone BEFORE  they actually hear/copy them ! This is
totally foreign to my way of operating; and I suspect from reading the
thread that I'm not the only one. Stations are calling Lance before even
copying him. In the old way of thinking; that's nuts !

And even with Internet postings and live chat; how would one know the exact
frequency to call on ?  But now that's an outdated thought process
evidently.

 

With digital, stations KNOW exactly what frequency the other guy is on; they
KNOW his sequence, they KNOW his exact call (and prefix). So why not go
ahead and call and hope that he will see and decode your signal out of the
mess.

 

All of a sudden, thanks to Lance's explanation; it finally makes sense.

 

Craig,

N8DJB

 

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

From: "Lance Collister, W7GJ" < <mailto:w7gj at q.com> w7gj at q.com>

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:38 PM

To: "Russ K2TXB" < <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com> k2txb at dxcc.com>; "'Paul Kiesel'"
< <mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com> k7cw at yahoo.com>; "'Magic Band EME Group'" <
<mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com> MagicEME at googlegroups.com>; "'Moon-Net'" 

< <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com> moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; <
<mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; "'50mhz'" 

< <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net> 50mhz at mailman.qth.net>; "'WSJT Group'" <
<mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com> wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

 

> Hi Russ,

> 

> The reason I adopted the revised procedure for callers was so I could 

> tell which callers are copying me, and try to complete with them 

> first. This is the way I have been able to quickly work a number of 

> stations on my 6m EME DXpeditions, where most of the stations are 

> extremely weak, many stations are horizon-only (limiting their 

> potential moon time to a couple sharp ground gain lobes) and the 

> Faraday rotation can be very slow ( locking out stations for long 

> periods of time). Spending a long time calling stations who do not 

> copy you is counter productive and unnecessarily prevents contacts 

> with other stations with whom 3 minute exchanges would be possible.

> 

> On all but one of my six 50 MHz EME DXpeditions, I have not had any 

> internet access, and I don't plan on having any such access on future 

> 6m EME DXpeditions either.

> Therefore, I can't operate JT65 as many people on some bands do, 

> replying to stations that report via the internet that they are 

> copying them! My operations are much more "random" and are completely 

> based on actual radio contacts. The decision to have stations call 

> with OOO if they are copying me in the previous sequence was made 

> because it was the only way I could get both calls AND the information 

> as to which stations were copying at that time. Since I treat such a 

> call as a call with callsigns only, my responses are always either 

> calls and OOO or final RRR (in strict accordance with the time honored 

> EME contact protocol).

> 

> In response to your comment, this protocol is far from "secret", and I 

> have been encouraging all callers to use it on each of my 6m EME 

> DXpeditions if they have any interest on working me from a new DXCC. I 

> don't have the luxury of having many strong stations to work, with 

> lots of "extra margin" to make up for polarity mismatch. Nor do I have 

> the luxury of cross polarization or circular polarization on 6m.

> This is

> the best solution I have found for me on my 6m EME DXpeditions, and 

> the proof is in the pudding. I am up to 64 stations logged on 6m EME 

> up to this point, far exceeding my other records for stations worked 

> on such DXpeditions....and I still have one more weekend left to go. I 

> am happy to be able to provide a rare DXCC for serious 6m EME 

> operators around the world, and greatly appreciate their willingness 

> to learn and follow this most productive procedure.

> 

> GL and VY 73, Lance

> 

> On 7/20/2014 7:49 PM, Russ K2TXB wrote:

>> 

>> Hello Paul. Well I did not realize it was only a six meter thing. I 

>> still do not really like the idea of having a 'secret protocol', 

>> available to only those who read his web page or if he happens to 

>> mention it on moon net. However I am not on six meters and so really 

>> have nothing more to say about it. I thought it was the same 

>> expedition as ZL1RS/KH8 and thus that the comment was for 2 meters 

>> too.

>> 

>> Sorry about that,

>> 

>> 73, Russ

>> 

>> *From:*Paul Kiesel [ <mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com> mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com]

>> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 2:36 PM

>> *To:* Russ K2TXB;  <mailto:w7gj at q.com> w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME
Group'; 'Moon-Net'; 

>>  <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT
Group'

>> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

>> 

>> He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.

>> 

>> K7CW

>> 

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>> ----------------

>> 

>> *From:*Russ K2TXB < <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com%20%3cmailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>
k2txb at dxcc.com <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>>

>> *To:*  <mailto:w7gj at q.com> w7gj at q.com < <mailto:w7gj at q.com>
mailto:w7gj at q.com>; 'Magic Band EME Group'

>> <
<mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com%20%3cmailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>
MagicEME at googlegroups.com <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>>;

>> 'Moon-Net'

>> <
<mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com%20%3cmailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>
moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>>;

>>  <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> FFMA at yahoogroups.com <
<mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; '50mhz' 

>> <50mhz at mailman.qth.net

>> < <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net> mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net>>; 'WSJT
Group' 

>> <
<mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com%20%3cmailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>
wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>>

>> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM

>> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

>> 

>> 

>> > If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if 

>> > I

>> answer someone else before I test the waters with you!

>> 

>> Say What? Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have 

>> received both his call and your own call. Until then why would anyone 

>> send anything but both calls? Please do not invent your own 

>> procedure... Too much confusion for all.

>> 

>> 73, Russ K2TXB

>> 

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From:  <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com

>> < <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>

>> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com

>> < <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>] On Behalf Of Lance 

>> Collister, W7GJ

>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM

>> To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net;  <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>
FFMA at yahoogroups.com 

>> < <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com> mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; 50mhz; WSJT
Group

>> Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

>> 

>> 

>> Hello! I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:

>> 

>> 

>> July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8. Lots of

>> fun having

>> so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the sea! Also was nice

>> to have

>> visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a front came in and totally socked


>> us

>> in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB today, so it is nice to get so many in the

>> log (including a number of single yagi stations) before cndx peak! Worked

>> the following stations before heading home to take a shower and get some

>> sleep: KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.

>> Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and 

>> W4CSW.

>> Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on my

>> website. I will first call people who are copying me. If you are copying

>> me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer someone else

>> before I test the waters with you! Because the air conditioning failed

>> here, the

>> power supply overheated and ailed to work at all.

>> July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose the

>> problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down due to

>> excessive internal

>> heating. We brought back a portable house fan to mount directly in front

>> of the

>> power supply, and opened up the room's windows and door to increase air

>> movement.

>> Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During the

>> second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but later 

>> the

>> moon was visible,

>> providing the reassurance of visual aiming. I exchanged call signs with

>> G8BCG, but

>> since the common moon window was only minutes, we failed to complete.

>> Others heard

>> but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, OA4TT

>> and W7IUV.

>> Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP, and W7JW, bringing the total

>> after two moon passes to 14. At dawn we had a tremendous local noise come

>> up (just an hour

>> before our moonset), that made it impossible to work anyone. We were

>> unable to

>> locate this noise, but suspect it may be something built into the 

>> extensive

>> solar

>> array at the operating site. We will continue to make efforts to resolve

>> this noise

>> problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us earlier in the

>> month, when we have common moon before our local sunrise ( around 17300Z)


>> ,

>> since we may not be able to be successful during our moonset. Again, I 

>> ask

>> that anyone interested in completing with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE 

>> READ

>> MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 DXpedition page:

>>  <http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm>
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm ! Please 

>> understand

>> that I will first answer people who are actually copying me, and the only

>> way to do this is if everyone understands the proper procedure I am using

>> here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are seeing my trace at that

>> time.

>> 

>> REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees! If you have

>> elevation,

>> or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is much lower. When the

>> moon is

>> above 60 degrees, I try to give priority to horizon-only stations in 

>> Region

>> 2, who only have that chance available to them.

>> 

>> It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the

>> narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site every

>> day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can. Thanks for your

>> cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many of you!

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> GL and VY 73, Lance

>> 

>> --

>> Lance Collister, W7GJ

>> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, 

>> TX5K)

>> P.O. Box 73

>> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073

>> USA

>> TEL: (406) 626-5728

>> QTH: DN27ub

>> URL:  <http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj

>> Skype: lanceW7GJ

>> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

>> 

>> Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME 

>> email

>> group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page 

>> (above)!

>> 

>> _______________________________________________

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>>  <http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html>
http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html

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>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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> 

> 

> -- 

> Lance Collister, W7GJ

> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, 

> TX5K, KH8/W7GJ)

> P.O. Box 73

> Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073

> USA

> TEL: (406) 626-5728

> QTH: DN27ub

> URL:  <http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj

> Skype: lanceW7GJ

> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

> 

> Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME

> email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web

> page (above)!

> 

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From peter at g8bcg.org.uk  Fri Jul 25 02:20:21 2014
From: peter at g8bcg.org.uk (Peter G8BCG)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:20:21 +0100
Subject: [50mhz] [Magic Band EME] Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
In-Reply-To: <53D17CDF.3070207@q.com>
References: <53C4A840.4090304@q.com> <034001cfa2b4$389d4e40$a9d7eac0$@dxcc.com>
	<1405708558.85674.YahooMailNeo@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<00c901cfa453$bf4c6750$3de535f0$@dxcc.com> <53D17CDF.3070207@q.com>
Message-ID: <003d01cfa7d0$84414560$8cc3d020$@org.uk>

Hi Lance,
You clearly have put as much thought and effort into this response as you do
into planning your DXpeditions. Thorough, precise, factual. As per my
previous e-mails to the group, anybody with any understanding of 6m eme or
the eme protocol cannot fail to see that your well publicised process is the
way to go!
It is a shame that you had to take time out from your vacation to re-state
information that has bee well publicised and accepted globally for the last
6 years or so:-(
Enjoy KH8 - the world awaits in the hope that they will be able to send
calls TX2 :-)
73
Peter G8BCG

-----Original Message-----
From: MagicEME at googlegroups.com [mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lance Collister, W7GJ
Sent: 24 July 2014 22:39
To: Russ K2TXB; 'Paul Kiesel'; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net';
FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
Subject: [Magic Band EME] Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ

Hi Russ,

The reason I adopted the revised procedure for callers was so I could tell
which callers are copying me, and try to complete with them first. This is
the way I have been able to quickly work a number of stations on my 6m EME
DXpeditions, where most of the stations are extremely weak, many stations
are horizon-only (limiting their potential moon time to a couple sharp
ground gain lobes) and the Faraday rotation can be very slow ( locking out
stations for long periods of time). Spending a long time calling stations
who do not copy you is counter productive and unnecessarily prevents
contacts with other stations with whom 3 minute exchanges would be possible.

On all but one of my six 50 MHz EME DXpeditions, I have not had any internet
access, and I don't plan on having any such access on future 6m EME
DXpeditions either. 
Therefore, I can't operate JT65 as many people on some bands do, replying to
stations that report via the internet that they are copying them! My
operations are much more "random" and are completely based on actual radio
contacts. The decision to have stations call with OOO if they are copying me
in the previous sequence was made because it was the only way I could get
both calls AND the information as to which stations were copying at that
time. Since I treat such a call as a call with callsigns only, my responses
are always either calls and OOO or final RRR (in strict accordance with the
time honored EME contact protocol).

In response to your comment, this protocol is far from "secret", and I have
been encouraging all callers to use it on each of my 6m EME DXpeditions if
they have any interest on working me from a new DXCC. I don't have the
luxury of having many strong stations to work, with lots of "extra margin"
to make up for polarity mismatch. Nor do I have the luxury of cross
polarization or circular polarization on 6m. This is the best solution I
have found for me on my 6m EME DXpeditions, and the proof is in the pudding.
I am up to 64 stations logged on 6m EME up to this point, far exceeding my
other records for stations worked on such DXpeditions....and I still have
one more weekend left to go. I am happy to be able to provide a rare DXCC
for serious 6m EME operators around the world, and greatly appreciate their
willingness to learn and follow this most productive procedure.

GL and VY 73, Lance

On 7/20/2014 7:49 PM, Russ K2TXB wrote:
>
> Hello Paul. Well I did not realize it was only a six meter thing. I 
> still do not really like the idea of having a 'secret protocol', 
> available to only those who read his web page or if he happens to 
> mention it on moon net. However I am not on six meters and so really 
> have nothing more to say about it. I thought it was the same expedition as
ZL1RS/KH8 and thus that the comment was for 2 meters too.
>
> Sorry about that,
>
> 73, Russ
>
> *From:*Paul Kiesel [mailto:k7cw at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 2:36 PM
> *To:* Russ K2TXB; w7gj at q.com; 'Magic Band EME Group'; 'Moon-Net'; 
> FFMA at yahoogroups.com; '50mhz'; 'WSJT Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
> He's been using it for years and it works fine for him and us.
>
> K7CW
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
>
> *From:*Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com <mailto:k2txb at dxcc.com>>
> *To:* w7gj at q.com <mailto:w7gj at q.com>; 'Magic Band EME Group' 
> <MagicEME at googlegroups.com <mailto:MagicEME at googlegroups.com>>; 'Moon-Net'

> <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>>;
> FFMA at yahoogroups.com <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; '50mhz' 
> <50mhz at mailman.qth.net <mailto:50mhz at mailman.qth.net>>; 'WSJT Group' 
> <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com <mailto:wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2014 11:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
>
> > If you are copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if 
> > I
> answer someone else before I test the waters with you!
>
> Say What? Standard procedure is NOT to send reports until you have 
> received both his call and your own call. Until then why would anyone 
> send anything but both calls? Please do not invent your own 
> procedure... Too much confusion for all.
>
> 73, Russ K2TXB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com 
> <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>
> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com
> <mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com>] On Behalf Of Lance 
> Collister, W7GJ
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:04 AM
> To: Magic Band EME Group; Moon-Net; FFMA at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:FFMA at yahoogroups.com>; 50mhz; WSJT Group
> Subject: [Moon-Net] 6m update from KH8/W7GJ
>
>
> Hello! I have included updates from my KH8 6m DXpedition web page below:
>
>
> July 13, 2014 - First moon pass, and the first ever EME from KH8. Lots 
> of fun having so many ground gain lobes from being so high above the 
> sea! Also was nice to have visual aiming until around 1000Z, when a 
> front came in and totally socked us in :-( Degradation was -3.4 dB 
> today, so it is nice to get so many in the log (including a number of 
> single yagi stations) before cndx peak! Worked the following stations 
> before heading home to take a shower and get some
> sleep: KG7H, K2ZD, N3XX, W6BBS, N6BBS, N7NW, K7CW, NN7J, VE1JF, N3CXV.
> Also copied but did not work: W7MEM, N6RMJ, K6EME, W4IMD , WA4NJP and
W4CSW.
> Please spread the word for people to follow the QSO protocol listed on 
> my website. I will first call people who are copying me. If you are 
> copying me and only sending calls, don't be surprised if I answer 
> someone else before I test the waters with you! Because the air 
> conditioning failed here, the power supply overheated and ailed to 
> work at all.
> July 14, 2014 - After a return trip to the site to further diagnose 
> the problem, it turned out that the power supply simply shutting down 
> due to excessive internal heating. We brought back a portable house 
> fan to mount directly in front of the power supply, and opened up the 
> room's windows and door to increase air movement.
> Both operators and the power supply performed much better ;-) During 
> the second moon pass, it started out totally overcast and raining, but 
> later the moon was visible, providing the reassurance of visual 
> aiming. I exchanged call signs with G8BCG, but since the common moon 
> window was only minutes, we failed to complete.
> Others heard
> but not worked were K6EME, ZL2NW, KD7YZ, W8PAT, N8JX, VE3KH, W4CSW, 
> OA4TT and W7IUV.
> Stations worked were W7MEM, K4ZOT, WA4NJP, and W7JW, bringing the 
> total after two moon passes to 14. At dawn we had a tremendous local 
> noise come up (just an hour before our moonset), that made it 
> impossible to work anyone. We were unable to locate this noise, but 
> suspect it may be something built into the extensive solar array at 
> the operating site. We will continue to make efforts to resolve this 
> noise problem, but if you have any choice, please try to work us 
> earlier in the month, when we have common moon before our local 
> sunrise ( around 17300Z) , since we may not be able to be successful 
> during our moonset. Again, I ask that anyone interested in completing 
> with me here, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ MY QSO PROCEDURES on my KH8 
> DXpedition page:
> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm ! Please 
> understand that I will first answer people who are actually copying 
> me, and the only way to do this is if everyone understands the proper 
> procedure I am using here....do NOT just call me with calls if you are 
> seeing my trace at that time.
>
> REMINDER - I can only elevate my single yagi to 60 degrees! If you 
> have elevation, or are in EU, please try to call me when my moon is 
> much lower. When the moon is above 60 degrees, I try to give priority 
> to horizon-only stations in Region 2, who only have that chance 
> available to them.
>
> It is quite exhausting trying to operate all night and still drive the 
> narrow winding road (1.5 to 2 hours each way) to and from the site 
> every day, but we are trying to keep it up as long as we can. Thanks 
> for your cooperation, and we hope to be able to provide a new DXCC to many
of you!
>
>
>
>
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> Lance Collister, W7GJ
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KH8/W7GJ) P.O. Box 73
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USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
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From W5KDJ at consolidated.net  Sat Jul 26 16:53:12 2014
From: W5KDJ at consolidated.net (W5KDJ)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:53:12 -0500
Subject: [50mhz] Bands
Message-ID: <22417383714348C18EEE103C7DCEE12D@W5KDJ>

It appears that a few of you are not familiar with this web page.  Go to each band and you will see the activity and stations.  At the bottom of the page you can have the site send you an email when 6M is open and to where....

http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/map.php?Lan=E&Frec=50&Map=NA


W5KDJ - Wayne Rogers USNR (Ret.)
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doggie!' until you can find a rock.


From w7gj at q.com  Tue Jul 29 22:46:14 2014
From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 02:46:14 +0000
Subject: [50mhz] 6m from KH8 Final updates
Message-ID: <53D85C76.3090405@q.com>

Currently on the last leg of the long trip home!   Final updates and a few photos are 
now on the website:

http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/AmericanSamoa2014.htm

Final tally was 68 stations worked on 6m EME.   MNI TNX to all who made the 
operations a success!  And thanks also to all those who spent the time to call, but 
were not successful completing - you demonstrated the patience required for this 
challenging undertaking, and I greatly appreciate your efforts and dedication.  The 
final report will summarize more details, but it is very evident that the number of 
stations capable of and interested in 6m EME is increasing greatly!   To all you who 
just recently tried 6m EME, please to not be too discouraged if we did not complete - 
I consider an elevated 8 element beam and 1000w to be a very small station, and was 
surprised to successfully complete with so many other small stations.   Your success 
will definitely be better with the many larger 6m EME stations, or if you can add a 
few dB gain to your station!

It also was quite clear that the extreme Es activity in NA and EU hampered the 
success of horizon-only stations in those areas, and the high TEC during the daytime 
over KH8 probably didn't help either.  There is no doubt that the first week, when I 
was operating moonrise to moonset in total darkness was certainly most effective from 
such a tropical QTH.   I certainly plan to return to an operating schedule more in 
the "out of terrestrial propagation" seasons between TEP and Es for next year's 
DXpedition to another rare DXCC.

Thanks again to everyone, and especially to those who contributed to the operation - 
it is with your continued support that these annual 6m EME DXpeditions continue to 
happen ;-)     GL and VY 73, Lance

-- 
Lance Collister, W7GJ
(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ)
P.O. Box 73
Frenchtown, MT   59834-0073
USA
TEL: (406) 626-5728
QTH: DN27ub
URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
Skype: lanceW7GJ
2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815

Interested in 6m EME?  Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
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