I use a INV L in a 80 feet high pine tree and 12 radials. The vertical part is abt. 70 degree. Its simple but it works! Now I have round 140 dxcc in 2 years. For 80m I use a birch tree and a fiberglas tower on top of the birch to make it as a triple leg with 3 radials of course. 73 de Olaf dl7cx and a wish all of you a happy and pearceful comming NEW YEAR 2003 www.qsl.net/dl7cx here you can see some pix