From wd8arz at comcast.net Thu Aug 17 18:26:24 2017 From: wd8arz at comcast.net (WD8ARZ) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:26:24 -0400 Subject: [1000mp] Gel RV Battery Doesnt Vent Or Spill 081717 In-Reply-To: <1694195441.887278.1501187356565@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1694195441.887278.1501187356565.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1694195441.887278.1501187356565@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To operate various shortwave, and equipment from my base, mobile or portable, I think a battery back up system is essential. It can even be the primary system to operate from, thus avoiding even temporary power loss glitches from switch over transfer systems. Shortwave radio coverage is part of many hf ham transceivers too, as with my FT-1000MP The battery system must have the capability to be operational 24 / 7 - Therefore I dont rely on just commercial power source. Even though my vehicle has a standard engine twelve volt battery system, last thing I would want to happen is drain the vehicle battery and not be able to start the vehicle. Also draining a standard lead acid battery reduces the number of recharges it can do, and also shortens its life capacity. It is intended for short term high current drain as in starting the vehicle. RV batteries on the other hand are designed to provide twelve volts at lower current drain over a longer period of time and not to be damaged if the RV battery is over discharged. RV batteries as a result shouldn't be used as a vehicle starting battery. A Gel RV battery is even okay if tipped over. That is why I put in a separate Gel battery system to operate my ham gear in my vehicle, and my base station. Didnt use a lithium type battery on purpose due to the risks, especially in closed spaces: https://www.lion.com/lion-news/july-2015/how-lithium-batteries-become-a-workplace-hazard The battery chosen instead is a: VMAX SLR125 RV Battery https://www.vmaxtanks.com/FAQ_ep_42.html Battery system used for all the ham radio gear and the hiq screwdriver antenna operation in the vehicle was duplicated for the home hf system. The FT1000MP rig used next to my easy chair in the living room was reconfigured so it wasn't using its internal AC to DC power supply. That keeps that internal supply isolated but available if some future circumstances would need it .... where the radio goes that internal power supply of course goes with it. To protect the battery and to charge it properly, I use a PG40S Power Gate that uses the Anderson Power Pole connector standard. Here is a link to identify this unit properly, but of course shop around for your best deal. http://www.westmountainradio.com/product_info.php?products_id=pg40s When a car or RV battery is not being charged, its operating voltage will drop from the alternator level of around 13/14 bolts to around 12+ something ... and after some use to start dropping below twelve volts. Some HF gear might not transmit clean audio when the source voltage drops much below twelve volts. Check out your own gear, as this is not always the case ...... Alternators Are Not Heavy Current Drain Capable Like Batteries, they are short duty cycle for heavy current drain charging. That covers an external source to operate / charge an hf radio operation battery system. However.... .... it is also important to pay attention to power distribution from the battery to the gear that is going to operate from that battery. RIGrunner utilizes a 13.8 VDC power panel with simple-to-use Anderson Powerpole connectors.... and these are the standard power connectors the ARRL recommends all amateur radio gear use. This allows compatibility among amateur equipment when used in the field and to be able to interface with other hams gear quickly and safely. There are several versions of the RIGrunner depending on how many connectors you want it to have to feed your expected gear load. I use this version: 40 amp 12 VDC continuous duty with 8 outlets with a sample link at: http://www.westmountainradio.com/rigrunner.php and the manual is at: http://www.westmountainradio.com/pdf/RRmanual.pdf In the mobile I use another gadget that is not needed on the base system, an APO3. It protects the battery from starting transients, and from over draining the starting battery if it is being used for the ham gear. That is because a vehicle system has a risk that the base station does not. If a vehicle has a bad starting battery and your operating from that battery, when starting the vehicle the battery doesnt protect the ham gear from the starting transients the starter system could have, especially if that starting system is going bad. The APO3 is a black box designed to prevent a vehicle battery from being discharged and damaged by a DC load. Typically it is used to switch a radio transceiver off 10 minutes after the vehicle is shut off. The APO3 is designed for 12 volt vehicle electrical systems with negative ground. It can switch up to 20 amps and carry up to 30 amps. The shutdown voltage can be set to one of four pre-programmed voltages (11.8, 12.1, 12.7, 13.05 volts) using two DIP switches; the shutdown delay can be set to one of four pre-programmed times (0, 5, 10, 20 minutes). The device is housed in a sturdy ABS plastic case. The APO3 is ideal for use with mobile APRS stations. It allows the radio to transmit a few position reports after the vehicle is shut off before turning off the radio and GPS. This reduces clutter on the APRS and Digital channels and prevents the vehicle battery from discharging. Can connect the transceiver right across the battery, fusing all radio cable leads. Check out the information about connecting transmitters right to the battery as detailed by W1ZR. http://www.westmountainradio.com/pdf/Emergency%20Power%20at%20W1ZR1.pdf Choosing a battery to operate the ham and shortwave radio gear from has to also include safety in addition to its capacity performance. A gel battery doesnt vent gases during the charging or discharging operation unless abused, such as when shorted. Properly fused, even that event should not be a problem. VMAX SLR125 RV Battery has been a choice that has never let me down, and gives me a safety edge when using it in my home or vehicle. https://www.amazon.com/Vmaxtanks-Vmaxslr125-rechargeable-Solar-Inverters/dp/B00ACNO2AO/ref=pd_sim_23_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QCJ25T58VCYJP31WW5C4 From kristijan.persic at pu.t-com.hr Fri Aug 18 08:08:58 2017 From: kristijan.persic at pu.t-com.hr (kristijan.persic) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:08:58 +0200 Subject: [1000mp] Gel RV Battery Doesnt Vent Or Spill 081717 Message-ID: <9xxiwkpis0k9y7rmbltf4gti.1503058138460@email.android.com> O my... Please stop this spamming Sent from samsung mobile phone -------- Izvorna poruka -------- ?alje: WD8ARZ Datum:18.08.2017. 00:26 (GMT+01:00) To: 1000mp at mailman.qth.net Naslov: [1000mp] Gel RV Battery Doesnt Vent Or Spill 081717 To operate various shortwave, and equipment from my base, mobile or portable, I think a battery back up system is essential. It can even be the primary system to operate from, thus avoiding even temporary power loss glitches from switch over transfer systems. Shortwave radio coverage is part of many hf ham transceivers too, as with my FT-1000MP The battery system must have the capability to be operational 24 / 7 - Therefore I dont rely on just commercial power source. Even though my vehicle has a standard engine twelve volt battery system, last thing I would want to happen is drain the vehicle battery and not be able to start the vehicle. Also draining a standard lead acid battery reduces the number of recharges it can do, and also shortens its life capacity. It is intended for short term high current drain as in starting the vehicle. RV batteries on the other hand are designed to provide twelve volts at lower current drain over a longer period of time and not to be damaged if the RV battery is over discharged. RV batteries as a result shouldn't be used as a vehicle starting battery. A Gel RV battery is even okay if tipped over. That is why I put in a separate Gel battery system to operate my ham gear in my vehicle, and my base station. Didnt use a lithium type battery on purpose due to the risks, especially in closed spaces: https://www.lion.com/lion-news/july-2015/how-lithium-batteries-become-a-workplace-hazard The battery chosen instead is a: VMAX SLR125 RV Battery https://www.vmaxtanks.com/FAQ_ep_42.html Battery system used for all the ham radio gear and the hiq screwdriver antenna operation in the vehicle was duplicated for the home hf system. The FT1000MP rig used next to my easy chair in the living room was reconfigured so it wasn't using its internal AC to DC power supply. That keeps that internal supply isolated but available if some future circumstances would need it .... where the radio goes that internal power supply of course goes with it. To protect the battery and to charge it properly, I use a PG40S Power Gate that uses the Anderson Power Pole connector standard. Here is a link to identify this unit properly, but of course shop around for your best deal. http://www.westmountainradio.com/product_info.php?products_id=pg40s When a car or RV battery is not being charged, its operating voltage will drop from the alternator level of around 13/14 bolts to around 12+ something ... and after some use to start dropping below twelve volts. Some HF gear might not transmit clean audio when the source voltage drops much below twelve volts. Check out your own gear, as this is not always the case ...... Alternators Are Not Heavy Current Drain Capable Like Batteries, they are short duty cycle for heavy current drain charging. That covers an external source to operate / charge an hf radio operation battery system. However.... .... it is also important to pay attention to power distribution from the battery to the gear that is going to operate from that battery. RIGrunner utilizes a 13.8 VDC power panel with simple-to-use Anderson Powerpole connectors.... and these are the standard power connectors the ARRL recommends all amateur radio gear use. This allows compatibility among amateur equipment when used in the field and to be able to interface with other hams gear quickly and safely. There are several versions of the RIGrunner depending on how many connectors you want it to have to feed your expected gear load. I use this version: 40 amp 12 VDC continuous duty with 8 outlets with a sample link at: http://www.westmountainradio.com/rigrunner.php and the manual is at: http://www.westmountainradio.com/pdf/RRmanual.pdf In the mobile I use another gadget that is not needed on the base system, an APO3. It protects the battery from starting transients, and from over draining the starting battery if it is being used for the ham gear. That is because a vehicle system has a risk that the base station does not. If a vehicle has a bad starting battery and your operating from that battery, when starting the vehicle the battery doesnt protect the ham gear from the starting transients the starter system could have, especially if that starting system is going bad. The APO3 is a black box designed to prevent a vehicle battery from being discharged and damaged by a DC load. Typically it is used to switch a radio transceiver off 10 minutes after the vehicle is shut off. The APO3 is designed for 12 volt vehicle electrical systems with negative ground. It can switch up to 20 amps and carry up to 30 amps. The shutdown voltage can be set to one of four pre-programmed voltages (11.8, 12.1, 12.7, 13.05 volts) using two DIP switches; the shutdown delay can be set to one of four pre-programmed times (0, 5, 10, 20 minutes). The device is housed in a sturdy ABS plastic case. The APO3 is ideal for use with mobile APRS stations. It allows the radio to transmit a few position reports after the vehicle is shut off before turning off the radio and GPS. This reduces clutter on the APRS and Digital channels and prevents the vehicle battery from discharging. Can connect the transceiver right across the battery, fusing all radio cable leads. Check out the information about connecting transmitters right to the battery as detailed by W1ZR. http://www.westmountainradio.com/pdf/Emergency%20Power%20at%20W1ZR1.pdf Choosing a battery to operate the ham and shortwave radio gear from has to also include safety in addition to its capacity performance. A gel battery doesnt vent gases during the charging or discharging operation unless abused, such as when shorted. Properly fused, even that event should not be a problem. VMAX SLR125 RV Battery has been a choice that has never let me down, and gives me a safety edge when using it in my home or vehicle. https://www.amazon.com/Vmaxtanks-Vmaxslr125-rechargeable-Solar-Inverters/dp/B00ACNO2AO/ref=pd_sim_23_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QCJ25T58VCYJP31WW5C4 ______________________________________________________________ 1000mp mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/1000mp Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:1000mp at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From N0OEL at aol.com Sat Aug 19 10:49:44 2017 From: N0OEL at aol.com (N0OEL at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:49:44 -0400 Subject: [1000mp] Gel RV Battery Doesnt Vent Or Spill 081717 Message-ID: <425e5d.7b867eae.46c9aa06@aol.com> What???? In a message dated 8/18/2017 7:11:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kristijan.persic at pu.t-com.hr writes: O my... Please stop this spamming Sent from samsung mobile phone -------- Izvorna poruka -------- ?alje: WD8ARZ Datum:18.08.2017. 00:26 (GMT+01:00) To: 1000mp at mailman.qth.net Naslov: [1000mp] Gel RV Battery Doesnt Vent Or Spill 081717 To operate various shortwave, and equipment from my base, mobile or portable, I think a battery back up system is essential. It can even be the primary system to operate from, thus avoiding even temporary power loss glitches from switch over transfer systems. Shortwave radio coverage is part of many hf ham transceivers too, as with my FT-1000MP The battery system must have the capability to be operational 24 / 7 - Therefore I dont rely on just commercial power source. Even though my vehicle has a standard engine twelve volt battery system, last thing I would want to happen is drain the vehicle battery and not be able to start the vehicle. Also draining a standard lead acid battery reduces the number of recharges it can do, and also shortens its life capacity. It is intended for short term high current drain as in starting the vehicle. RV batteries on the other hand are designed to provide twelve volts at lower current drain over a longer period of time and not to be damaged if the RV battery is over discharged. RV batteries as a result shouldn't be used as a vehicle starting battery. A Gel RV battery is even okay if tipped over. That is why I put in a separate Gel battery system to operate my ham gear in my vehicle, and my base station. Didnt use a lithium type battery on purpose due to the risks, especially in closed spaces: https://www.lion.com/lion-news/july-2015/how-lithium-batteries-become-a-work place-hazard The battery chosen instead is a: VMAX SLR125 RV Battery https://www.vmaxtanks.com/FAQ_ep_42.html Battery system used for all the ham radio gear and the hiq screwdriver antenna operation in the vehicle was duplicated for the home hf system. The FT1000MP rig used next to my easy chair in the living room was reconfigured so it wasn't using its internal AC to DC power supply. That keeps that internal supply isolated but available if some future circumstances would need it .... where the radio goes that internal power supply of course goes with it. To protect the battery and to charge it properly, I use a PG40S Power Gate that uses the Anderson Power Pole connector standard. Here is a link to identify this unit properly, but of course shop around for your best deal. http://www.westmountainradio.com/product_info.php?products_id=pg40s When a car or RV battery is not being charged, its operating voltage will drop from the alternator level of around 13/14 bolts to around 12+ something ... and after some use to start dropping below twelve volts. Some HF gear might not transmit clean audio when the source voltage drops much below twelve volts. Check out your own gear, as this is not always the case ...... Alternators Are Not Heavy Current Drain Capable Like Batteries, they are short duty cycle for heavy current drain charging. That covers an external source to operate / charge an hf radio operation battery system. However.... .... it is also important to pay attention to power distribution from the battery to the gear that is going to operate from that battery. RIGrunner utilizes a 13.8 VDC power panel with simple-to-use Anderson Powerpole connectors.... and these are the standard power connectors the ARRL recommends all amateur radio gear use. This allows compatibility among amateur equipment when used in the field and to be able to interface with other hams gear quickly and safely. There are several versions of the RIGrunner depending on how many connectors you want it to have to feed your expected gear load. I use this version: 40 amp 12 VDC continuous duty with 8 outlets with a sample link at: http://www.westmountainradio.com/rigrunner.php and the manual is at: http://www.westmountainradio.com/pdf/RRmanual.pdf In the mobile I use another gadget that is not needed on the base system, an APO3. It protects the battery from starting transients, and from over draining the starting battery if it is being used for the ham gear. That is because a vehicle system has a risk that the base station does not. If a vehicle has a bad starting battery and your operating from that battery, when starting the vehicle the battery doesnt protect the ham gear from the starting transients the starter system could have, especially if that starting system is going bad. The APO3 is a black box designed to prevent a vehicle battery from being discharged and damaged by a DC load. Typically it is used to switch a radio transceiver off 10 minutes after the vehicle is shut off. The APO3 is designed for 12 volt vehicle electrical systems with negative ground. It can switch up to 20 amps and carry up to 30 amps. The shutdown voltage can be set to one of four pre-programmed voltages (11.8, 12.1, 12.7, 13.05 volts) using two DIP switches; the shutdown delay can be set to one of four pre-programmed times (0, 5, 10, 20 minutes). The device is housed in a sturdy ABS plastic case. The APO3 is ideal for use with mobile APRS stations. It allows the radio to transmit a few position reports after the vehicle is shut off before turning off the radio and GPS. This reduces clutter on the APRS and Digital channels and prevents the vehicle battery from discharging. Can connect the transceiver right across the battery, fusing all radio cable leads. Check out the information about connecting transmitters right to the battery as detailed by W1ZR. http://www.westmountainradio.com/pdf/Emergency%20Power%20at%20W1ZR1.pdf Choosing a battery to operate the ham and shortwave radio gear from has to also include safety in addition to its capacity performance. A gel battery doesnt vent gases during the charging or discharging operation unless abused, such as when shorted. Properly fused, even that event should not be a problem. VMAX SLR125 RV Battery has been a choice that has never let me down, and gives me a safety edge when using it in my home or vehicle. https://www.amazon.com/Vmaxtanks-Vmaxslr125-rechargeable-Solar-Inverters/dp/ B00ACNO2AO/ref=pd_sim_23_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QCJ25T58VCYJP31WW5C4 ______________________________________________________________ 1000mp mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/1000mp Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:1000mp at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ 1000mp mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/1000mp Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:1000mp at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html