[1000mp] MP,Orion,reflector rage

Wed Jul 26 22:43:37 EDT 2006

Hi Cecil, you are absolutely correct. They get so involved with number after
number that they forget to hook up an antenna and listen.   Hi  Thanks for
the good words. Worth at least 3 cents of course  HI    Thanks, Tommy

-----Original Message-----
From: 1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Cecil Acuff
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:43 PM
To: All about Yaesu 1000mp
Subject: Re: [1000mp] MP,Orion,reflector rage

Well said Tommy,

        My personal experience has been that with most of the top end radios

built in the last 10 years most are operating at the theoretical limits of 
RF anyway on the receive side.  I don't for a minute believe there is a top 
end radio out there that will hear things that other top end receivers 
won't...all things being equal....i.e. antenna systems, conditions, 
setup.....

I've played with the conventional designs and the full DSP implemented 
ones....they are all just really close.  It's more down to a choice of 
ergonomics and bells & whistles for the most part.  The roofing filter thing

is a great improvement and fortunately can be added to some of the earlier 
radio's such as the MP and D models to bring them up to the current 
performance levels, as far as rejection, as the new $10K radio's.  The test 
numbers are a bit different between the top several high end rigs but the 
real world performance is nearly identical.  Shoot even the ole R4C can be 
put up in the world class for a CW rig with these filter improvements....

Just my 2 cents worth of course...:-)

Cecil
WB5VCE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Tow" <wd4k2 at charter.net>
To: "'All about Yaesu 1000mp'" <1000mp at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: [1000mp] MP,Orion,reflector rage

>
> This is exactly what went on for years on the Ten Tec reflector. I had one
> of the very first Orion's. Not perfect but I was VERY enthusiastic about 
> the
> possibilities. Unfortunately the anger, reflector rage and "experts" 
> attacks
> on everyone was unrelenting. To enjoy the radio and learn, you had to 
> endure
> personal attacks, idiot "reviews" of the rig, especially from those who
> never even owned one. If you liked your Orion..you were a cultist and
> stupid..and so on...every day...Totally ridiculous. I found out that some 
> of
> the most vicious critics of Ten Tec and Orion were a few well known dx and
> contesting guys who had asked Ten Tec to be on their Orion design team and
> help with it..and were turned down... so they started a reflector war
> against Ten Tec and Orion and Orion owners. How childish is that! A review
> of the Ten Tec archives during the first two years of Orion will be very
> enlightening. Check out the top ten radio list with Orion at the bottom.
> Stupidity and agenda exposed. Then one of the most hateful attackers, self
> proclaimed "worlds greatest contester" said he could design a better
> radio...he bragged and bragged on the web..it got as far as his basement
> closet I think. Hi
>
> The Ten Tec reflector was nice before the Orion wars..it seems that it has
> tamed in the last year so maybe the childish reflector rage guys have 
> folded
> their tents somewhat.
>
> I go back a LONG way with Yaesu, the old 101's, the FR and FL twins, etc. 
> I
> had two MP's one of them being the actual 1st review radio in QST..so I go
> back a LONG way with them also. I sold one, got on the order list and 
> bought
> the Orion. Then I sold the other MP and bought a MK5. I loaded the MK 5 
> with
> the Inrad roofing filter, all Inrad filters and mods..The Orion was also
> loaded up with Inrads. NOW, sitting side by side, SO2R setup, I could tell
> very little difference between the fully modified MP and the Orion. (I do
> know how to properly set up the Orion before someone asks) There have been
> several independent tests to show these differences. Sherwood for one.
> Granted some differences but not a heck of a lot. Sometimes I could pull 
> one
> out with the Orion after a LOT of tweeking and most of the time I could 
> find
> it easier on the MK5 with less tweeking. There were times when one was
> slightly better than the other but there was NEVER a time when either one
> was consistently better than the other. I have a very good antenna system,
> three stack of C31XR's, 3 El 40 etc. so good input to the rigs. I have no
> lab and used no test equipment so these are personal observations only, 
> ie;
> what I can hear from each rig and how well under the same conditions using
> side by side A/B switching, and how easily and quickly I can locate and
> tweek what I am looking for.
>
> So my opinion, from experience, it that the MK5, loaded, will run side by
> side with the Orion and I suspect almost any other rig out there..the 
> caveat
> is numerical lab test differences...but the daily use on the desk really
> tells me the rig is terrific and costs a LOT less with far less issues 
> than
> these new software defined rigs...and to me personally it is a LOT easier 
> to
> use than the Orion. I want a radio, not a lifetime of learning curves. I
> also found out MOST IMPORTANTLY..that the MK5, in a contest environment 
> can
> eliminate the adjacent S9++++ signals and separate them as well as the
> Orion.
> I sold the Orion :)
> If I go ever go back to SO2R as before, it will be with another MK 5. My
> airtime has been slim the past year or so due to business..but when I get
> back to it, I know the Mk5 will work extremely well.
> I am NOT unhappy with Ten Tec in any way, they are a first class company
> with great service. I think the reflector rage fanatics soured it for me.
> It was not fun trying to learn about the rig with other Orion owners on 
> the
> reflector. It was disgusting and brutal for a long time.
>
> This is an excellent reflector... polite, helpful and very informative... 
> so
> my suggestion is to keep it that way and stop the juvenile Ten Tec style
> Orion war bickering before it is ruined.  And keep your Mk5's :)
> Tommy  WD4K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Rick Stealey
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:25 AM
> To: 1000mp at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group
>
>
> Would you two guys carry on your personal attacks by email and spare the
> rest of us please.
>
> Rick
>
>
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